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[Elessara]

Just finished Trespasser.

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I seriously don't know how I feel about it. I don't know how to process it. I was crying for my girl when I saw her missing an arm, but I seriously don't understand Solas' motivations to essentially destroy the world to destroy the veil! I don't know why he thinks it would be a good thing, or something even remotely useful! The majority of his "people" are dead! Who's he restoring the world to? The current elves? At the expense of everyone else? That's not the Solas I knew when playing. But finding out exactly what happened with the ancient elves and the pantheon was great and made sense to the Solas character.

 

This DLC didn't turn out at all like I thought it would. I'm glad for the extra effort they went with my Quizzy being Dalish, there were a bunch of nods towards it, and how some companions finally gave some acknowledgement towards the romance. I both love how Solas still calls her "vhenan", and that Lavellan returned it. But the little kiss scene was bugged to shit for me and didn't look any good at all, it was clunky as hell, seriously awkward. It took me out of the moment.

 

I think I've got about 6 thousand pages to scrawl back through. I might even need to play the DLC again. But right now, I'm not sure whether or not I was glad I played it. I don't know if the mystery of what's to come was preferable. I chose to put the Inquisition to Cass so we've got a better chance to look for Solas, but I don't know. I don't know how I feel.

 

Any kickass theories or the likes? Also what does Lavellan say to Solas when she speaks to him in elvish?

 

Edit: Is Trespasser or the Descent up on the Keep for anyone else yet? There's nothing there for me.

 

Not sure if anyone answered as I haven't quite caught up yet.  JoH and Descent are in the Keep but you may need to turn spoilers on and make the decisions yourself as there appears to be problems with the Keep recording DLC decisions.  Trespasser is not yet in the Keep but it hasn't even been a week since it was released so it might be some time before they update the Keep.

[Moondreamer01]

If we're into sad song, I gave myself all the feelz with this one (Sorry, no idea how to actually embed videos, so I'm linking instead)

 

https://www.youtube....h?v=BmErRm-vApI

 

Also, this one

 

https://www.youtube....h?v=sGceZX84LlQ

[Sable Rhapsody]

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Yeah you're right on that when it comes to impatience versus the slow game.  My concerns are when it comes to Mythal, how much of her now is still the mother figure and voice of reason that she was before her murder, and how much of her has been twisted by Flemeth?  Or rather how much have both of them been twisted by the need for vengeance.  We don't know what Mythal's plans are either.  Are they good plans?  She says she wants a reckoning.  Curious how what she's been setting in motion is going to play out.

 

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I...would take what Solas says about Mythal with a very big grain of salt.  Yes, she was probably the best of the Evanuris, but considering what *sshats they were, that might not be saying much.  Her judgments were probably fairer than Elgar'nan's unthinking wrath, but she was not particularly merciful either.  I highly doubt that union with Flemeth has improved her disposition, though it might have made her take a more grounded perspective of the new mortal races.

[Jayla]

Hey, have a hug.  I think it takes a few days to process this, because it's such a powerful story. 

 

It most definitely is! I'll still be waving TO's flag, but its energies are now being directed elsewhere in that

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we can help Solas see there's good in this world and worth sticking around for, or find an alternative*. And get Lavellan laid!

 

*If at this point I can't see an alternative that would work. Even if we could get a fix-all button that would restore the world to the way it was without ruining everything else, imagine the power struggles between now immortal elves and the rest of the races! UNGH!

 

Thanks for the hugs and the welcome backs all, by the way. C:

[drosophila]

It most definitely is! I'll still be waving TO's flag, but its energies are now being directed elsewhere in that

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we can help Solas see there's good in this world and worth sticking around for, or find an alternative*. And get Lavellan laid!

 

*If at this point I can't see an alternative that would work. Even if we could get a fix-all button that would restore the world to the way it was without ruining everything else, imagine the power struggles between now immortal elves and the rest of the races! UNGH!

 

Thanks for the hugs and the welcome backs all, by the way. C:

 

That's the spirit (pun totally intended)!

[MayriyaNoori]

Always knew he reminded me of

 

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What's even better is I remember seeing this picture as a joke about Falon'Din.

 

How the times have changed....

[Renmiri1]

redbowlingball:

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holds u tenderly ;; that's it exactly. I felt (..feel) guilty for that reason although as you say rationally speaking in the back of my head I know it's not bad to seize whatever works to keep you treading water. it melded yes, for example in a way it was an escapist thing and an all-consuming distraction, in another manner I was so invested in seeing what happened to Thedas when DA:I came out, then with the end of the game, then with upcoming DLC etcetc that it became a reason to not do something drastic because must know what happens. some people get it but don't really Get It know what I mean? I don't usually talk personal things here either but love you and love this thread also :3

also scotland home for me too.

 

Mid November I found out my 14 year old son had a rare brain thing that could make him quadriplegic overnight, or worse. He could only get surgery after insurance gave the ok though, as it is a lot of money. Dragon Age allowed me to stay calm and not scare my son until his first surgery in January.

 

2 surgeries later he is fine and has started high school, he is no longer at high risk for spine or brain injury. He can't play rugby or do boxing but can have a normal life if he avoids violent sports. I don't think I'd be sane without having a way to zone out from the worries while he was going through his surgeries and before. DAI helped immensely.

[Avejajed]

I want you all to know that I'm drinking and nothing should be held against me tomorrow ok

[Kadan]

If we're into sad song, I gave myself all the feelz with this one (Sorry, no idea how to actually embed videos, so I'm linking instead)

 

https://www.youtube....h?v=BmErRm-vApI

 

Also, this one

 

https://www.youtube....h?v=sGceZX84LlQ

 

The first time I heard Say Something was with a Solas/Lavellan Tribute video. I cannot hear that song without thinking of the two of them.

[Uirebhiril]

 

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I...would take what Solas says about Mythal with a very big grain of salt.  Yes, she was probably the best of the Evanuris, but considering what *sshats they were, that might not be saying much.  Her judgments were probably fairer than Elgar'nan's unthinking wrath, but she was not particularly merciful either.  I highly doubt that union with Flemeth has improved her disposition, though it might have made her take a more grounded perspective of the new mortal races.

 

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I forget where I saw it, or who said it... someone on this thread maybe? About how Solas's speech pattern, or attitude is just slightly different when he does that chuckle and talks about Mythal's death and the imprisonment. With the suggestion that maybe Mythal is driving somewhere in there. Not sure I follow with that, but it does really make me wonder about their former relationship and just what really happened. What's behind the idea that eternal torment is actually fitting instead of just killing them and being done with it? Why shut them away in such a way that the whole world is changed for it?

 

And we have such a long time to wait for more answers. Argh,

[Moondreamer01]

Not to be overly optimistic or anything, but Bioware has posted an assistant writer position for a position somewhere in Canada (so either the Edmonton on Montreal office I would guess). Hiring new people means starting on new projects, right guys? *puppy dog eyes* Right?

[_Lucinia]

In regards to the Pantheon...

 

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I really do think Solas was going to let them out. Or he is still going to let them out. It's the only way I can think of that he can actually wipe them out in one stroke. Release Evanuris, collapse Veil, Evanuris die/become heavily weakened in the destruction.

 

Which is going to suck if they turn out to be kinda nice or at least alright after being tortured for 2000 years......and they want to save the world from Fen'Harel.

 

Unless he somehow planned to try to be besties with them. =/ Possible I guess.

 

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I went back and looked through my screenshots.  I remembered one line of dialogue incorrectly.  He said that an eternity of torture would be a fitting punishment.  That doesn't mean he was never going to free them.  I'll keep that in mind going forward.

[Avejajed]

Not to be overly optimistic or anything, but Bioware has posted an assistant writer position for a position somewhere in Canada (so either the Edmonton on Montreal office I would guess). Hiring new people means starting on new projects, right guys? *puppy dog eyes* Right?

I think it's Edmonton. I somehow think I'd rather work for Patrick than David. I don't know who the head writer is for MEA.

[Uirebhiril]

Bwahaha. Mike Laidlaw spilled coffee on his Nintendo DS and...

 

https://twitter.com/...739295917248516

 

https://twitter.com/...742207607279616

 

 

I am just done.

[midnight tea]

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I forget where I saw it, or who said it... someone on this thread maybe? About how Solas's speech pattern, or attitude is just slightly different when he does that chuckle and talks about Mythal's death and the imprisonment. With the suggestion that maybe Mythal is driving somewhere in there. Not sure I follow with that, but it does really make me wonder about their former relationship and just what really happened. What's behind the idea that eternal torment is actually fitting instead of just killing them and being done with it? Why shut them away in such a way that the whole world is changed for it?

 

And we have such a long time to wait for more answers. Argh,

 

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Well, we do know - if IQ drinks from Well Of Sorrows - that Mythal appears to have secretly supported Fen'Harel's rebellion: we find out that Mythal knew a secret passphrase to Fen'Harel's sanctuary, whispered to Inquisitor through the Well, which pacifies the guardian spirits.

 

IMO they worked together to overthrow the rest of Evanuris and change things for better. The rest of Evanuris found out and killed her - she might have not been fully killed, but it took her ages (according to Flemeth) to reach the world of the living again as a mere wisp, and at that time all of the people under her protection and power she amassed were already long distributed among the rest of Creators.

 

I also wouldn't be surprised if Mythal and Fen'Harel worked together to create the Veil - just not the one we now have, which was likely in an incomplete state when Mythal was betrayed. Her death and likely the plans of the rest of Enavuris to do something that might endanger the entire world (the elven writing from Temple Of Mythal suggests that they were planning to hunt Titans again) and that might have spurred Solas to shroud the world with the Veil, despite it being incomplete/imperfect and despite the act rendering him drained and unconscious for millenia.

[The Lone Shadow]

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I forget where I saw it, or who said it... someone on this thread maybe? About how Solas's speech pattern, or attitude is just slightly different when he does that chuckle and talks about Mythal's death and the imprisonment. With the suggestion that maybe Mythal is driving somewhere in there. Not sure I follow with that, but it does really make me wonder about their former relationship and just what really happened. What's behind the idea that eternal torment is actually fitting instead of just killing them and being done with it? Why shut them away in such a way that the whole world is changed for it?

 

And we have such a long time to wait for more answers. Argh,

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Its possible that they can't be or at least can't easily be killed. Mythal was killed, but she's still around. Also, I think Solas wanted crually punish them for their crimes.

[S.W.]

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I...would take what Solas says about Mythal with a very big grain of salt.  Yes, she was probably the best of the Evanuris, but considering what *sshats they were, that might not be saying much.  Her judgments were probably fairer than Elgar'nan's unthinking wrath, but she was not particularly merciful either.  I highly doubt that union with Flemeth has improved her disposition, though it might have made her take a more grounded perspective of the new mortal races.

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definitely agree with this.

I don't understand why anyone would try to make out that Mythal is somehow better than Solas when she's been complicit in this all along. She gave him her power, she agreed with him, at the end of DA:I, that they needed to do whatever was necessary to save 'the people'. In that sense, her hands aren't clean. You could argue that Mythal has helped people in Thedas since then, eg. saving the wardens so they could stop the blight - but, so has Solas, knowing he had to kill them. In DA:O/2, what we knew of Flemeth is that she quite bitter, can be ruthless, and believes in destiny - likely that hasn't changed much since we found out she was Mythal in part, and her need for vengeance is... alarming, honestly.

The details are also sketchy as to exactly how she treated her people. She had vallaslin - and so owned slaves, in some form. I have difficulty understanding how a revolutionary who devoted himself, initially, to freeing slaves and empowering people, giving them the choice to fight against their masters, would be fond of a slave owner, however benevolent, however good her intentions. Perhaps Mythal was dead by this point - the slave-freeing only begun afterwards. Solas may also lack the vantage point of someone 'on the ground' and fail to understand how Mythal's sympathy was useless for most slaves trying to change material conditions.

I know it's unlikely, but I wonder if Solas was formerly a slave himself - perhaps even Mythal's - and Mythal freed him from his shackles, perhaps seeing that it was unfair/unjust, or perhaps recognising intelligence and talent in him. That would explain why he speaks so highly of her.

EDiT: WHAT TOP.

I NEVER GET TOP.

*CACKLES*

trespasser spoilers.

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I've been wanting to show off Bronwyn Lavellen's new hairstyle for ages.

[_Lucinia]

I think it's Edmonton. I somehow think I'd rather work for Patrick than David. I don't know who the head writer is for MEA.

Is the new secret IP being developed in Edmonton?  Crossing my fingers it's for DA.  But they might be focusing more on the new IP and ME:A before doing another DA.

[Elessara]

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Ok so ... In Hushed Whispers, go into the future, the Veil is shattered, Solas says that no barrier exists between the physical world and the Fade.  Wouldn't the Evanuris have been released then?  In Trespasser you can ask him that if he takes down the Veil then wouldn't the false gods be released and Solas will say he had plans.  But what about in the alternate future during the mage questline?

 

[Rionka]

Because of Sollavelan I even made a special, first GMV in my whole life, phew! 

Here it is: https://www.youtube....h?v=XUdjFPxjrxI

 

Hope you'll enjoy it despite my poor ability of editing.

[MayriyaNoori]

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I went back and looked through my screenshots.  I remembered one line of dialogue incorrectly.  He said that an eternity of torture would be a fitting punishment.  That doesn't mean he was never going to free them.  I'll keep that in mind going forward.

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Out of likes, but nice catch.

 

Really, I'm just looking for any excuse for them to be active in the game. And I think it would be interesting to see what reformed Evanuris would do to help out Thedas.

 

[Sable Rhapsody]

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I know it's unlikely, but I wonder if Solas was formerly a slave himself - perhaps even Mythal's - and Mythal freed him from his shackles, perhaps seeing that it was unfair/unjust, or perhaps recognising intelligence and talent in him. That would explain why he speaks so highly of her.

 

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I think this is actually a decent possibility.  I don't remember which dev said it, but Solas's relationship with Mythal is supposedly "complicated."  Alternatively, he may have been a petitioner who sought out Mythal for guidance and justice.

[Cee]

Mid November I found out my 14 year old son had a rare brain thing that could make him quadriplegic overnight, or worse. He could only get surgery after insurance gave the ok though, as it is a lot of money. Dragon Age allowed me to stay calm and not scare my son until his first surgery in January.

 

2 surgeries later he is fine and has started high school, he is no longer at high risk for spine or brain injury. He can't play rugby or do boxing but can have a normal life if he avoids violent sports. I don't think I'd be sane without having a way to zone out from the worries while he was going through his surgeries and before. DAI helped immensely.

 

 

I'm glad to hear that worked out. I find this sort of thing to be some of the best that games, books, sometimes films can offer us. A couple of years ago, I wound up unexpectedly in the hospital. I was there over a weekend mostly for testing & observation. No phone charger. I had just a Kindle that ran out of battery on my last day. And I wound up rereading The Hobbit, which seems to be a book I read when I'm sick in one way or another. It was comforting to adventure with Bilbo again and helped me not to climb the walls.

 

Obviously different magnitude, but still how things we love can distract well.

[Avejajed]

Is the new secret IP being developed in Edmonton? Crossing my fingers it's for DA. But they might be focusing more on the new IP and ME:A before doing another DA.

That's why I watch carefully three people. Laidlaw, Weekes, and Epler. They stay on the DA team. They won't move and will continue and so I feel better about it, knowing they are working on something.

[Avejajed]

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Ok so ... In Hushed Whispers, go into the future, the Veil is shattered, Solas says that no barrier exists between the physical world and the Fade. Wouldn't the Evanuris have been released then? In Trespasser you can ask him that if he takes down the Veil then wouldn't the false gods be released and Solas will say he had plans. But what about in the alternate future during the mage questline?

Also...

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world did not go boom.