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[drosophila]

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i'm just imagining an elf factory 

 

ugh that's so messed up 

 

Solas making a whole bunch of elves for the new empire

 

everytime i think about what he wants to accomplish I have to remind myself that he's not actually a crazy sociopath and that he has good, legit reasons to do what he does. 

 

Sometimes I wish he was just plain evil. That'd be so much easier to deal with.

 

 

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Oh, yes, that would be 1000% easier to deal with. A badass villain from the start - bring it on. I'd just file him away in the villain cabinet of my head while admiring the hotness of his thighs. Everything will be full of joy.

 

But someone whose principles I admired at first, and thought they aligned so much with mine, only to end up knowingly ready to commit actions that I consider absolutely deplorable? Someone who I made my most trusted advisor in every PT, and he did give sound advice, while he was building his spy network behind my back? (For some reason even thought I had found out he had secret plans before, the spy network thing in particular really p*ssed me off. I hate feeling like I'm inept as a leader, I guess, even though there's nothing I could do in the game to prevent it.) Someone who would go out of his way to give living sentient beings a moment of peace before he kills them as mere instruments in pursuit of his goals? 

 

That's much more difficult to deal with and comes much closer to what people in real life could be. I can even say I've met a couple of people who remind me of Solas. (They never acted on such a grand scale, of course.)

 

So I can totally relate. But at the same time, I don't know what's wrong with me, but I'm finally OK with him. I understand his perspective and my initial feels settled down. In game my Lavellan will try to change his mind or stop him if she must, but I've pretty much forgiven him. (Not sure if this says good things about me as a person, though ) And I really like how he makes me think and re-examine my values, so few fictional characters have had that effect on me. 

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[Sarayne]

Me too, I'm really conflicted about everything right now. I have no words to express the feels... I guess I'd say I'm hellspiralling, but in a better way than I was before the DLC XD

 

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I'm glad to know what Solas's plan is, and to have seen him again. I seriously thought they were just going to drop it all at where the game ended, and we'd have to play as a new protag without Lavellan ever being able to have confronted him. I just hope we'll be able to continue as the Inquisitor in the next game. 

 

The only reason I actually disbanded the Inquisition was because that's what I've wanted to do since the final events of the game (well, before Tresspasser). The Breach had been sealed, and all my Lavellan really wanted was to find Solas before he did something stupid. As far as what would work better against Solas, I think both choices have their pros and cons.

 

 

 

 

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I would love love love to play as the Inquisitor in da4 bioware pls pls pls

[drosophila]

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I don't know why, but this made me very sad XD I know what you mean though. Unfortunately, I'm not very good at distancing myself from characters. After years of rooting for the Decepticons, you'd think I would have learned my lesson by now. 

 

 

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Oh, no, don't be sad because of me!

 

I do feel bad about all the hellspiral-ly things I wrote the last few days. Hope they didn't upset anybody

 

Funny, after a day of emotional turmoil, bubble baths, nutella, and replaying that final scene a bunch of times, my feels settled a lot. I just wrote a post about it, LOL

 

And I'm not good at distancing myself from characters at all. 

[Cee]

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Speaking of Calpernia.. I think we'd very likely see her in the next game. I've heard interviews with the devs where they gushed over how they liked her - and the truth is we can apparently never definitely kill her. We don't know what happens to her if we pick mage alliance, but if we go with Templars, we can either dissuade her from working for Corypheus, or she falls into water after the fight and we never find out if she died.

 

It would be exceedingly interesting if it turned out that she's our new companion

 

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Tevinter, mage, and former slave. She fits thematically as far as we can tell.

 

 

 

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I think I chose to keep it quiet and Tegan still mentioned Solas.

 

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I kept it quiet for sure and Teagan still mentioned Solas.

 

 

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I misjudged how calculated and determined he can be in Trespasser - Felassan's death being one of them - and so I'm afraid he might actually sink as low to spread false propaganda and allow others to perpetuate myths of godhood, as long as it leads to enough bodies he can use for his grand plan. Crossing my fingers on this one.

 

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When it comes to Felassan, at first, I was hit with it, thought it was unnecessary, and was taken aback since I did not think Solas was responsible.

 

But after thinking about it and reading the last part of TME again, Felassan talks about letting Briala try, and he lies and Solas knows he lied. He also comments on the elves being "stronger than you know". But at the time, no, he didn't think they were people, that they were real. So it's clearly from the time between waking up, bewildered and regretful, and jaded, and overwhelmed by his 'mistake' and had not met the one person who potentially convinces him that they are people, that he is wrong. So it's who he was, and during the time of Inquisition, he does shift, learn, and change to some degree, even if he's pushing it down inside himself because he's stuck in the past and resigned to this path he thinks he must walk.

 

But the Felassan's master Solas and Solas now, especially if he loves Lavellan....he has changed and he talks about having been proven wrong..."but" and also can mention he'd like to be proven wrong again.

 

Felassan's realization and sympathies got him killed and it's an example of who Solas was and now tries to be in spite of himself.

 

But it is partly in this juxtaposition that we have cracks of hope.

 

 

 

[Tales2tellu]

Guys, I just had an idea for an Inquisition AU.  

 

Thedas is an old, giant apartment complex that used to be several different hotels.  So to the north is the Tevinter building, the south has the Ferelden and Orlais buildings (which were built so close together that at one point a bunch of Orlesians bought out the Ferelden rooms and sublet them to the residents at ludicrously marked-up rent).  The whole place is run by the Chantry Homeowner's Board until the head of the board is accidentally killed at this meeting between the maintenance workers and the security team.  (They're both on strike after the previous head of security was fired for tampering with maintenance records, always making them look bad so Security would get bonuses and Maintenance wouldn't.)

 

And after the head of the Chantry Board falls through this breach in the floor into the sub-basement, this quiet bald janitor shows up.  No one knows where he came from or how long he's been there, and who the hell hired him anyway?  But he's certainly useful and seems to know a lot about the previous owners of Thedas Apartments...

 

Would anyone be interested in actually reading more of this?  Or have the feels driven me crazy?

[Sable Rhapsody]

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He does say that he always respected liked Inquisitor's thoughtfulness hence 'it would be too easy" to reveal everything to them. It means that he's pretty much convinced that they'd try and stop him.

 

This is why I think Solas is actually the one who's setting the stage - he wants Inquisitor either his nemesis, or as someone who can prove him wrong and fight for this world: maybe it's his way of giving Thedas an actual fighting chance.

 

Or maybe it's something else...? The minds of ancient would-be gods work in pretty mysterious ways, as we know from case of both Solas and Flemythal. They're observing, testing and nudging or shoving history when it's necessary, in an elaborate game for the fate of this world... Question is whether Inquisitor is still a pawn, or the actual player?

 

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I think it's partially that, and partially what he says to romanced Lavellan: that he doesn't want the Inquisitor to see what he'll have to become.  

 

Deep down, I think he wants to be stopped if quizzy took the time to friend/romance him.  More than that, I think he wants to be punished, either for what he's about to do or the terrible things he's done in the past.  He has the same weird guilt thing going on as Anders, where he's going to do something that he knows is bad, and WANTS to pay the price for that bad thing.  Which is just mental, but there you are 

 

Flemythal strikes me as more the kind of character who would play the long game and secretly test the modern races of Thedas or something like that.  Solas...not so much.  I think when he says he means to destroy the world and recreate his own, that's exactly what he intends to do.

[Kaydreamer]

How's this for an interpretation of what Solas's original plan may have been, and his plans now. GREAT BIG HEAD CANON, ENJOY.

 

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Solas's original plan:

1. Trap the Evanuris within the veil. This much he achieved.

2. Use the orb to create an anchor which would allow him to step into the fade. Perhaps he could destroy the Evanuris there, while they were weakened; or even crush the portion of the fade where they were trapped, ending them forever.

3. Drop the veil, and work the surviving Elvhen to rebuild.

 

As we know, a number of things didn't turn out the way he planned:

1. He slept too long. Perhaps he thought he'd only be knocked out for a few decades, or even a century. The would wouldn't be that much changed from how it had been. There would still be Elvhen who could help him restore what was lost when the plan was complete. Instead, the world has fallen so far from what it was that he can't see any way in which it could ever recover, even if he could remove the veil gently.

2. He couldn't unlock the power of the orb. Hence he gave it to Corypheus, hoping that Corypheus could make the anchor, die doing so, and Solas could walk in and take the now-unlocked power.

3. Then the orb broke. This was the icing on the cake. Everything up to this point was something he could amend his plan to work around, in order to cause the least amount of carnage. With a romanced Lavellan, he seems almost hopeful for a time that he may be able to fix the world in a gentle way; he's still terrified to hope, but it's there.

 

What I think his new plans were upon waking:

Plan A: Similar to the old plan, just a few thousand years late. The orb is still intact. He can use the anchor to go into the fade, deal with the Evanuris and drop the veil gently. It will still cause some chaos in modern Thedas - ALL the magic coming back would do that to a world that fears mages - but it wouldn't be 'raining veilfire from the skies' levels of carnage. The people would learn to adapt. If Solas had recovered the orb after the battle with Corypheus, I have no doubt in my mind he would have then told a romanced Lavellan the truth and asked her to help him fix the damage he had caused to the fabric of the world. This was the optimistic scenario.

 

After the orb breaking...

Plan A became impossible. With the orb broken, Solas no longer has the power to defeat the Evanuris. It may be possible that trying to drop the veil without it may also be a far more violent process - a 'raining veilfire from the skies' scenario, with the addition of demons. (The shock the spirits would experience due to the veil being removed in such a manner would have to result in a lot of demons.) Between the Evanuris running around enslaving the mortal races, demons killing the mortal races, and the sudden violent sundering of the veil driving a lot of mortals mad, Solas could never go through with this. Here's where we come to...

 

Plan B: Time magic. Use the dropping of the veil as a catalyst to rewind time back to the instant of it's creation and prevent it from being created. The world he has been living in since waking wouldn't be destroyed; it never would have existed in the first place. To someone like Solas, who hates seeing others in pain, this seems like the kindest option after the orb was broken. Bringing down the veil would cause immense suffering... but people who never existed can't suffer.

 

This wasn't something Solas had considered prior to seeing it in action at Redcliffe, but I'd think he would immediately latch on to it's potential use as a last resort. By going back to the instant of the veil's creation, he may even be able to acquire his non-broken orb and use it to defeat the Evanuris, just as he'd originally hoped. The possibility of needing to do this was probably what prevented him from telling Lavellan the truth at Crestwood... and he tried to distance himself from her so that if it did come to pass that this was necessary, it would be easier for him to do. He tried to push her away because this plan would cause her to be wiped from existence.

 

If the 'magic is to come back' as Sandal's prophesy states, it's obvious Solas's 'Plan B' won't come to pass. Either he'll drop the veil and we'll kill him before he rewinds time, or Lavellan will change his mind at the last moment... either way, we get to spend a game repairing the damage caused by the 'bad' version of Plan A, including fighting the Evanuris. Either way, bring on DA4.

[Sable Rhapsody]

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If the 'magic is to come back' as Sandal's prophesy states, it's obvious Solas's 'Plan B' won't come to pass. Either he'll drop the veil and we'll kill him before he rewinds time, or Lavellan will change his mind at the last moment... either way, we get to spend a game repairing the damage caused by the 'bad' version of Plan A, including fighting the Evanuris. Either way, bring on DA4.

 

How did I never think of this?  It's brilliant.

 

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We all thought prior to ME3's run-up that it was going to be about stopping the Reapers before they got to Earth, but Earth fell in the first few moments of ME3.  What if Solas succeeds at the very beginning of DA4--and it all goes wrong?  He disappears to try and fix his mistake (again, the idiot), and quizzy or the new protagonist has to scramble to repair all the damage?

 

I dunno, though.  It does smack awfully of Inquisition where we had to go fixing Solas's mess.  Though I suppose if he's the villain going on from here, we're going to be cleaning up a lot of the stupid egghead's messes.

[drosophila]

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I've been wondering about this as well. He recognized her as kin in the base game, he's very much in love with her and claims that she's like the elves from pre-Veil times - it should logically follow that if he loves and respects her, he should give her as much of a chance to survive as he would to other elves, if not more.

 

I don't think it's as simple though. We don't yet know many details, though I have to admit that the whole meeting with Solas in Trespasser was more than just him dealing with the Qunari 'nuisance' and drawing Quizzy so he could save them... I mean, why he'd save them in the first place? He says that he doesn't want unnecessary bloodshed, but there has to be more to this than that. He says that he KNOWS that Inky will oppose him - and I totally don't buy that he'd just dismiss Inquisitor, now that their unique powers are gone (together with their hand) and Inquisition is either disbanded or smaller.

 

He does say that he always respected liked Inquisitor's thoughtfulness hence 'it would be too easy" to reveal everything to them. It means that he's pretty much convinced that they'd try and stop him.

 

This is why I think Solas is actually the one who's setting the stage - he wants Inquisitor either his nemesis, or as someone who can prove him wrong and fight for this world: maybe it's his way of giving Thedas an actual fighting chance.

 

Or maybe it's something else...? The minds of ancient would-be gods work in pretty mysterious ways, as we know from case of both Solas and Flemythal. They're observing, testing and nudging or shoving history when it's necessary, in an elaborate game for the fate of this world... Question is whether Inquisitor is still a pawn, or the actual player?

 

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Yep, the only way he could be less subtle in that scene is if he plainly said, "Come after me and try to stop this!"

 

Maybe it's because he's very conflicted, he's resolved to do what must be done, but is not entirely sure it's a good idea. Maybe it's because he thinks it's more humane to give Thedas a small chance to defeat him. Maybe it's because Mythal is in there and Mythal thinks someone going after Fen'Harel will aid her own plans. 

 

Your last paragraph sounds so beautiful BTW.

[The Lone Shadow]

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But if he could do that, why wouldn't he do it for Lavellan? Have her join him and ensure she's one of those who survive.

 

I do think that once he lifts the Veil he'll be making more elves (perhaps from spirits?) but I don't think he'll be using modern elves.

 

 

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i'm just imagining an elf factory 

 

ugh that's so messed up 

 

Solas making a whole bunch of elves for the new empire

 

everytime i think about what he wants to accomplish I have to remind myself that he's not actually a crazy sociopath and that he has good, legit reasons to do what he does. 

 

Sometimes I wish he was just plain evil. That'd be so much easier to deal with.

 

 

This is so depressing. Do you think he'll make one that looks like Lavellan? Eh, now its just getting creepy.

 

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I've been wondering about this as well. He recognized her as kin in the base game, he's very much in love with her and claims that she's like the elves from pre-Veil times - it should logically follow that if he loves and respects her, he should give her as much of a chance to survive as he would to other elves, if not more.

 

I don't think it's as simple though. We don't yet know many details, though I have to admit that the whole meeting with Solas in Trespasser was more than just him dealing with the Qunari 'nuisance' and drawing Quizzy so he could save them... I mean, why he'd save them in the first place? He says that he doesn't want unnecessary bloodshed, but there has to be more to this than that. He says that he KNOWS that Inky will oppose him - and I totally don't buy that he'd just dismiss Inquisitor, now that their unique powers are gone (together with their hand) and Inquisition is either disbanded or smaller.

 

He does say that he always respected liked Inquisitor's thoughtfulness hence 'it would be too easy" to reveal everything to them. It means that he's pretty much convinced that they'd try and stop him.

 

This is why I think Solas is actually the one who's setting the stage - he wants Inquisitor either his nemesis, or as someone who can prove him wrong and fight for this world: maybe it's his way of giving Thedas an actual fighting chance.

 

Or maybe it's something else...? The minds of ancient would-be gods work in pretty mysterious ways, as we know from case of both Solas and Flemythal. They're observing, testing and nudging or shoving history when it's necessary, in an elaborate game for the fate of this world... Question is whether Inquisitor is still a pawn, or the actual player?

 

Its interesting if this is true.

[Sable Rhapsody]

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Yep, the only way he could be less subtle in that scene is if he plainly said, "Come after me and try to stop this!"

 

Maybe it's because he's very conflicted, he's resolved to do what must be done, but is not entirely sure it's a good idea. Maybe it's because he thinks it's more humane to give Thedas a small chance to defeat him. Maybe it's because Mythal is in there and Mythal thinks someone going after Fen'Harel will aid her own plans. 

 

What was it that Dumbledore said?  Being rather cleverer than most men, his mistakes tend to be correspondingly huger.  Solas to a T.  

 

(Sorry.  Rereading the series right now, and I can't help but draw parallels.)

[drosophila]

How did I never think of this?  It's brilliant.

 

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We all thought prior to ME3's run-up that it was going to be about stopping the Reapers before they got to Earth, but Earth fell in the first few moments of ME3.  What if Solas succeeds at the very beginning of DA4--and it all goes wrong?  He disappears to try and fix his mistake (again, the idiot), and quizzy or the new protagonist has to scramble to repair all the damage?

 

I dunno, though.  It does smack awfully of Inquisition where we had to go fixing Solas's mess.  Though I suppose if he's the villain going on from here, we're going to be cleaning up a lot of the stupid egghead's messes.

 

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Well, technically, since he created the world as it is now, the entirety of DA could be called "Fixing Solas' Mess"

[The Lone Shadow]

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Once I get the DLC, I'll probably also pick the redeem option, but if push comes to shove and his won't be changed. Then my Lavellan will try to kill him, if it comes down between him and her people then if she gets a shot at Solas she will take it.

[Sable Rhapsody]

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Well, technically, since he created the world as it is now, the entirety of DA could be called "Fixing Solas' Mess"

 

Warden, Hawke, and Quizzy disapprove -100.  

 

Though Hawke doesn't have as much of a leg to stand on, since she created quite a mess herself.  On the other hand, she can take comfort in the fact that someone is an even bigger f*** up than she is

[TheEggCrusher]

Solas will make a little girl that looks like Lavellan and will raise her, imagining it's the child they had together. 

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The amount of ways that is wrong is so numerous that I'd probably become nauseous if I thought about it too long ... 

 

Why 

 

Why would you even say that

 

We've all become so resolute about Solas' creepiness and messed-up side. Is the optimism flag even still a flag? I feel like it's just a pile of shredded fabric on the ground and I'm just crying into it like "Vhenan, please ..."

[Sable Rhapsody]

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The amount of ways that is wrong is so numerous that I'd probably become nauseous if I thought about it too long ... 

 

Why 

 

Why would you even say that

 

We've all become so resolute about Solas' creepiness and messed-up side. Is the optimism flag even still a flag? I feel like it's just a pile of shredded fabric on the ground and I'm just crying into it like "Vhenan, please ..."

 

How about this instead:

 

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Solas pulls his head out of his own *ss, realizes that he has now not once but TWICE f***ed up the world, and opens a doughnut shop 

 

OPTIMISM.  BLAM.

[Kadan]

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Wait, what? I'm confused.

 

I heard the Iron Bull turns out to have been the spy for the Qunari if you had him stay with the Qunari in his personal quest, and he turns up when you find the Ataashi and says "nothing personal" and tries to kill you... but I had him spare the Chargers so he was Tal-Vashoth, and unfortunately I didn't bring him for the final stretch of the mission (where you find the Ataashi), because I figured, "If I'm going to die, I'm going to die surrounded by my best best best friends," and replaced him with Cassandra as my tank. 

 

I know the Iron Bull turns out to be the leak if he's still with the Qunari, but does the Iron Bull turn out to betray you to the Qunari no matter what?

 

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When you first recruit him he is a spy for the Qunari, he even admits it up front. You think ok, well he agrees to only share what I want so it's no big deal. So up until you save the Chargers he's been feeding the Qunari information the whole time and we sat back and shrugged our shoulders like. "Uh yeah he told me but naw it's no big deal."

 

Ok wow top of Page never thought that would happen! Spoliered just in case it's huge. It's been ages since I uploaded anything to photobucket

 

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[The Lone Shadow]

Just ran out of likes so you both get a   from me.
 
Solas will make a little girl that looks like Lavellan and will raise her, imagining it's the child they had together.

 

 

Things are getting depressing around here. Here Solas fans, have some corgies.

 

 

 

 

 

 

And finally...

 

 

[Renmiri1]

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Once I get the DLC, I'll probably also pick the redeem option, but if push comes to shove and his won't be changed. Then my Lavellan will try to kill him, if it comes down between him and her people then if she gets a shot at Solas she will take it.

you haven't gotten the DLC yet ? I'm doing a giveaway for it

 

http://ar-lath-ma-vh...his-post-if-you

[drosophila]

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The amount of ways that is wrong is so numerous that I'd probably become nauseous if I thought about it too long ... 

 

Why 

 

Why would you even say that

 

We've all become so resolute about Solas' creepiness and messed-up side. Is the optimism flag even still a flag? I feel like it's just a pile of shredded fabric on the ground and I'm just crying into it like "Vhenan, please ..."

 

I'm so sorry. I truly didn't realize this would be so upsetting. I should have, I'm an insensitive a** and I know it, but I try.

 

I'll hide the post. 

 

I apologize!

[Sable Rhapsody]

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When you first recruit him he is a spy for the Qunari, he even admits it up front. You think ok, well he agrees to only share what I want so it's no big deal. So up until you save the Chargers he's been feeding the Qunari information the whole time and we sat back and shrugged our shoulders like. "Uh yeah he told me but naw it's no big deal."

 

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It is deeply distressing if you think about it in the context of Trespasser.

 

Bull still considered himself qunari when you meet him, but he'd stopped really thinking like one.  He had doubts.  He had misgivings, enough to turn the Chargers decision over to the Inquisitor.  But if he stays with the Qun, he goes back to be re-educated.  And when he turns on the Inquisitor, sweet cinnamon roll Cole who can sense every bit of pain in a person...gets NOTHING from him.  

 

So all those personality changes from his breaking point in Seheron to his year with the Inquisition?  Nothing.  Gone.  He still remembers the events and the people, but not the changes they wrought in him as a person.  All erased.

 

Ugh.  I love the qunari as antagonists; I think they're one of the most unique factions BioWare has ever created.  But they give me the heeby jeebies worse than Solas any day.

[TheEggCrusher]

I'm so sorry. I truly didn't realize this would be so upsetting. I should have, I'm an insensitive a** and I know it, but I try.

 

I'll hide the post. 

 

I apologize!

NO nonononooo I mean I'm already so upset 

 

It's just i'm really bummed about him in general 

 

nothing to do with you. don't hide anything please. it didn't trigger me in any way. i'm already a mess 

[Cee]

I'm so sorry. I truly didn't realize this would be so upsetting. I should have, I'm an insensitive a** and I know it, but I try.

 

I'll hide the post. 

 

I apologize!

 

 

It just came off as a creepy joke to me, but maybe I've watched too many movies. You're not insensitive. Feelings are weird. Some people react by doing things like laughing at funerals or make dark jokes.

[drosophila]

NO nonononooo I mean I'm already so upset 

 

It's just i'm really bummed about him in general 

 

nothing to do with you. don't hide anything please. it didn't trigger me in any way. i'm already a mess 

 

Thanks, but nope, given how my own feelings have been the entire week, I should've been much more considerate of the current emotional context of posting something like this. 

 

I take responsibility where it's due. 

 

And have a hug    It's the only solution I can offer. That and the passing of time.