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[drosophila]

It just came off as a creepy joke to me, but maybe I've watched too many movies. You're not insensitive. Feelings are weird. Some people react by doing things like laughing at funerals or make dark jokes.

 

Thanks! I do make jokes to help me get through things, but everyone's style of grief is different, and I should've thought of that. 

[The Lone Shadow]

How about this instead:

 

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Solas pulls his head out of his own *ss, realizes that he has now not once but TWICE f***ed up the world, and opens a doughnut shop 

 

OPTIMISM.  BLAM.

 

That would be so much better the him trying to make a clone of Lavellan. What if Lavelan came back as a ghost and saw Solas with Lavellan 2.0.

 

She might be like this

 

 

and this

 

 

at the same time

[Sable Rhapsody]

That would be so much better the him trying to make a clone of Lavellan. What if Lavelan came back as a ghost and saw Solas with Lavellan 2.0.

 

I think that's when ghost!Lavellan hops on an interdimensional unicorn and goes off to Hogwarts.  The ghosts there seem like pretty chill bros.

[midnight tea]

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I think it's partially that, and partially what he says to romanced Lavellan: that he doesn't want the Inquisitor to see what he'll have to become.  

 

Deep down, I think he wants to be stopped if quizzy took the time to friend/romance him.  More than that, I think he wants to be punished, either for what he's about to do or the terrible things he's done in the past.  He has the same weird guilt thing going on as Anders, where he's going to do something that he knows is bad, and WANTS to pay the price for that bad thing.  Which is just mental, but there you are 

 

Flemythal strikes me as more the kind of character who would play the long game and secretly test the modern races of Thedas or something like that.  Solas...not so much.  I think when he says he means to destroy the world and recreate his own, that's exactly what he intends to do.

 

 

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Oh I'm not saying that this whole "I will destroy this world" is in any way a ruse or any sort of elaborate 'test' - he obviously intends to do what he's been planning to do all along. What I'm saying is however is that he's obviously leaving the door open and pretty much invites Quizzy to confront him, to whatever end. It's just seems to be more complicated than what it may appear.

[The Lone Shadow]

Ghost Lavellan: Solas who is this? Why does she look like me? *gestures to Lavellan 2.0*

 

Solas: Ah well.

 

Lavellan 2.0: Father created me in the image of you. *gestures to Solas* Its so great finally to meet the person my face is based off of.

 

Ghost Lavellan:

[TheEggCrusher]

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If it helps, I haven't put down my team optimism flag.   

 

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Here's the thing. This is a tweet from Weekes

 

translation: Murder? Bad. But death as concept doesn't bother me. Especially life willingly given in service of good.

 

This was in reference to killing Mordin Solus in Mass Effect. And, as some of you might know, Mordin is pretty similar to Solas (personality wise). 

 

Seems to me like Patrick sees redemption in death and, as a writer, I agree with him. I'm worried that we won't be able to keep Solas alive. Redeem him, probably, but prevent him from dying, I don't think so. 

 

It would just fit plot wise and morality wise to have him die. And even though I'm a writer and I understand why that is the most suitable ending, I still can't help but wish it wouldn't happen, even though I know in a lot of ways he deserves it.

[Fayfel]

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I don't think Solas intends to survive whatever it is he intends to do. When you ask him what the Evanuris did to cause him to act he says "They killed Mythal. (chuckles.) A crime for which an eternity of torment is the only fitting punishment". I read the chuckle as Solas appreciating the irony of his own situation. He too killed Mythal. He did it to save their people and possibly even with her consent, but he fully intends to pay the price for that act.

[Sable Rhapsody]

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It would just fit plot wise and morality wise to have him die. And even though I'm a writer and I understand why that is the most suitable ending, I still can't help but wish it wouldn't happen, even though I know in a lot of ways he deserves it.

 

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Redemption in death is a trope that's common, but still very powerful if well-used.  I was in horrible, ugly tears over Mordin and cried like a baby when I heard him sing from beyond the grave in Citadel.

 

Would I like a more creative conclusion to Solas's story arc?  Yeah, sure.  But I don't mind more familiar tropes if they're done well.  And like I've said before, if one of the two has to die, I'd rather it be Solas than my Lavellan.  She'd grieve for him, but she'd live her life.  She's only 26 as of Trespasser.  

[Jaderail]

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Here's the thing. This is a tweet from Weekes

 

translation: Murder? Bad. But death as concept doesn't bother me. Especially life willingly given in service of good.

 

This was in reference to killing Mordin Solus in Mass Effect. And, as some of you might know, Mordin is pretty similar to Solas (personality wise). 

 

Seems to me like Patrick sees redemption in death and, as a writer, I agree with him. I'm worried that we won't be able to keep Solas alive. Redeem him, probably, but prevent him from dying, I don't think so. 

 

It would just fit plot wise and morality wise to have him die. And even though I'm a writer and I understand why that is the most suitable ending, I still can't help but wish it wouldn't happen, even though I know in a lot of ways he deserves it.

 

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He is a lot like Mordin. But, we also had the ability to save Mordin in ME3. It was hard to do, and there were horrible repercussions, and he still leaves, but he's still alive and there's still the choice. I hope we get the same thing with Solas

[TheEggCrusher]

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I don't think Solas intends to survive whatever it is he intends to do. When you ask him what the Evanuris did to cause him to act he says "They killed Mythal. (chuckles.) A crime for which an eternity of torment is the only fitting punishment". I read the chuckle as Solas appreciating the irony of his own situation. He too killed Mythal. He did it to save their people and possibly even with her consent, but he fully intends to pay the price for that act.

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It's not what I believe he intends, but what I believe Bioware wants to accomplish through his character. 

 

Bioware is all about morality and applying the poetic tendencies of storytelling to realistic characters. 

 

Through a poetic, moral standpoint, Solas should die. How, I'm not sure, but the fact remains that it makes sense.

 

[TheEggCrusher]

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He is a lot like Mordin. But, we also had the ability to save Mordin in ME3. It was hard to do, and there were horrible repercussions, and he still leaves, but he's still alive and there's still the choice. I hope we get the same thing with Solas

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Yeah, but Solas didn't just make a teeny mistake and said "oops lol I'm sorry." he made mistake after mistake and wants to destroy the world, even if he has "good" intentions. I tried for a while to see if there would be any room for his survival plus his redemption, but the more I thought about it the more I found it unlikely. To me, it would almost be a cheap ending if he doesn't get the karma he deserves. Now, that could go many ways. His spirit could be destroyed, he could be doomed to live as a half-spirit in the fade for all eternity, etc. but when it comes down to it you could summarize all those options as "death." And the hinting of Solas mentioning he walks the path of death is pretty telling.

 

[_Lucinia]

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Redemption in death is a trope that's common, but still very powerful if well-used.  I was in horrible, ugly tears over Mordin and cried like a baby when I heard him sing from beyond the grave in Citadel.

 

 

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Probably don't really need to spoiler this but I will anyways. 

 

I usually replay the trilogy once or twice a year.  I STILL have that reaction.  The kind of ugly cry where you get like this painful lump in your throat.  Oh Mordin.  It kills me.  But I can never take curing the genophage away from him.  Same thing happens to me over Legion's sacrifice.  Gah!  So much pain.  But at the same time it feels so good.  Well not good, but you know what I mean I think.  Sacrifice for a greater good.  Letting them be true to themselves.  Oh ME3, still so many feels all these years later. 

[Suketchi]

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Here's the thing. This is a tweet from Weekes

 

translation: Murder? Bad. But death as concept doesn't bother me. Especially life willingly given in service of good.

 

This was in reference to killing Mordin Solus in Mass Effect. And, as some of you might know, Mordin is pretty similar to Solas (personality wise). 

 

Seems to me like Patrick sees redemption in death and, as a writer, I agree with him. I'm worried that we won't be able to keep Solas alive. Redeem him, probably, but prevent him from dying, I don't think so. 

 

It would just fit plot wise and morality wise to have him die. And even though I'm a writer and I understand why that is the most suitable ending, I still can't help but wish it wouldn't happen, even though I know in a lot of ways he deserves it.

 

NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO

 

*team optimism battle cry...emphasis on cry*

[midnight tea]

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It's not what I believe he intends, but what I believe Bioware wants to accomplish through his character. 

 

Bioware is all about morality and applying the poetic tendencies of storytelling to realistic characters. 

 

Through a poetic, moral standpoint, Solas should die. How, I'm not sure, but the fact remains that it makes sense.

 

 

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Thing is... he expects to die. In one way or another. He pretty much tells it to Lavellan - he walks the path on which there's only death and he acts throughout Inquisition as if he's not expecting to accomplish what he wants to accomplish and just walk away. Therefore I think him dying would be just... easy. 

 

Of course, there's always a question of HOW he dies.

[FernRain]

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Through a poetic, moral standpoint, Solas should die. How, I'm not sure, but the fact remains that it makes sense.

 

 

*Blanket fort defenses activate*:

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(I've been waiting for an excuse to post this)..

[TheEggCrusher]

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Thing is... he expects to die. In one way or another. He pretty much tells it to Lavellan - he walks the path on which there's only death and he acts throughout Inquisition as if he's not expecting to accomplish what he wants to accomplish and just walk away. Therefore I think him dying would be just... easy. 

 

Of course, there's always a question of HOW he dies.

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as I said in a previous comment, he could "die" many ways, in a way that might not even be dying exactly. He'd probably have a really specific and tragic end that would fit into his story perfectly, because Weekes is a great writer and that's what great writers do. I don't think he'll just plop over. It would be dramatic, horrible, redeeming, and ultimately unique and heartbreaking, just like Solas himself.

[Sable Rhapsody]

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as I said in a previous comment, he could "die" many ways, in a way that might not even be dying exactly. He'd probably have a really specific and tragic end that would fit into his story perfectly, because Weekes is a great writer and that's what great writers do. I don't think he'll just plop over. It would be dramatic, horrible, redeeming, and ultimately unique and heartbreaking, just like Solas himself.

 

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And then Lavellan would be left with all the complicated truth of the Dread Wolf.  Mine, at least, would tell everyone she could.  All the good, all the bad.  All the things for which she loved him, all the reasons she fought him.  

 

*sobs forever*

[Suketchi]

Would I like a more creative conclusion to Solas's story arc?  Yeah, sure.  But I don't mind more familiar tropes if they're done well.  And like I've said before, if one of the two has to die, I'd rather it be Solas than my Lavellan.  She'd grieve for him, but she'd live her life.  She's only 26 as of Trespasser.  [/spoiler]

 

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I'd WAY rather the Inquisitor die than Solas. I've already killed both the Warden and Hawke, why break the habit? XD

[Jaderail]

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Yeah, but Solas didn't just make a teeny mistake and said "oops lol I'm sorry." he made mistake after mistake and wants to destroy the world, even if he has "good" intentions. I tried for a while to see if there would be any room for his survival plus his redemption, but the more I thought about it the more I found it unlikely. To me, it would almost be a cheap ending if he doesn't get the karma he deserves. Now, that could go many ways. His spirit could be destroyed, he could be doomed to live as a half-spirit in the fade for all eternity, etc. but when it comes down to it you could summarize all those options as "death." And the hinting of Solas mentioning he walks the path of death is pretty telling.

 

 

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Mordin didn't make a teeny mistake either. He helped create the Genophage, and effectively neutered the Krogan. There entire planet is a desolate wasteland and they've split into warring factions over breeding rights. Not a lot unlike Solas' actions. Destroying an entire population. 

 

Solas is not completely irredeemable. I'm more under the impression that he is conflicted so much that he wants you to stop him. Even if he died in the process he would die knowing he at least attempted to redeem his actions. It would be extremely difficult to convince him otherwise but I don't think it's impossible. Not only that, but at the end of Trespasser we actually choose an option to do everything we can to "stop him" or everything we can to "save him from himself." I am not completely against the death as redemption option, I just hope there's more than that single outcome. 

[TheEggCrusher]

*Blanket fort defenses activate*:

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(I've been waiting for an excuse to post this)..

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aah sorry, I'm just a really logical thinker. 

 

I like to face the music and "steel my heart to a cutting edge" so I can see things from a more practical view point. 

 

I tried to stay hopeful for Trespasser and my heart just got broken. I think I'd be better off knowing what will happen before hand rather than freaking out when the inevitable hits. 

 

Sorry if I'm getting anyone upset. I'll hide my stuff if anyone wants me to.

 

[midnight tea]

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Yeah, but Solas didn't just make a teeny mistake and said "oops lol I'm sorry." he made mistake after mistake and wants to destroy the world, even if he has "good" intentions. I tried for a while to see if there would be any room for his survival plus his redemption, but the more I thought about it the more I found it unlikely. To me, it would almost be a cheap ending if he doesn't get the karma he deserves. Now, that could go many ways. His spirit could be destroyed, he could be doomed to live as a half-spirit in the fade for all eternity, etc. but when it comes down to it you could summarize all those options as "death." And the hinting of Solas mentioning he walks the path of death is pretty telling.

 

 

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Yes, but at the same time his "teeny mistake" is not just something that he did for no apparent or petty reason - Cole says it to him as well: he didn't do it to be right, he did it to save people. We weren't' there, we don't know the full extent of his situation - but form information that are revealed to us, it seems that it's likely that he might indeed not have had much of a other choice and took upon himself a burden of doing what he thought was necessary.

 

That he considers so much to be his mistakes and is encumbered by guilt for every wrong thing he's done is another issue. I'm a neurotic perfectionist - I know something about beating myself to a pulp for the tiniest of things. And we've seen other characters in Inquisition also beating themselves for things they realistically had little control over - Varric for unleashing Coprypheus on the world and Cassandra for not convincing Varric to give location of Hawke. That itself doesn't mean that they should be punished for those mistakes in an extent they think they should, or that punishment would be proportionate for the actual extent of their guilt.

[FernRain]

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aah sorry, I'm just a really logical thinker. 

 

I like to face the music and "steel my heart to a cutting edge" so I can see things from a more practical view point. 

 

I tried to stay hopeful for Trespasser and my heart just got broken. I think I'd be better off knowing what will happen before hand other than freaking out when the inevitable hits. 

 

Sorry if I'm getting anyone upset. I'll hide my stuff if anyone wants me to.

 

 

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It's fine, go for your life! I like to steel myself as well . I've just been wanting to post that pic for a couple of days . I wanted to make a gif out of it but the subtitles will be too small to read.

[TheEggCrusher]

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Yes, but at the same time his "teeny mistake" is not just something that he did for no apparent or petty reason - Cole says it to him as well: he didn't do it to be right, he did it to save people. We weren't' there, we don't know the full extent of his situation - but form information that are revealed to us, it seems that it's likely that he might indeed not have had much of a other choice and took upon himself a burden of doing what he thought was necessary.

 

That he considers so much to be his mistakes and is encumbered by guilt for every wrong thing he's done is another issue. I'm a neurotic perfectionist - I know something about beating myself to a pulp for the tiniest of things. And we've seen other characters in Inquisition also beating themselves for things they realistically had little control over - Varric for unleashing Coprypheus on the world and Cassandra for not convincing Varric to give location of Hawke. That itself doesn't mean that they should be punished for those mistakes in an extent they think they should, or that punishment would be proportionate for the actual extent of their guilt.

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I completely agree with you. I'll try to word my opinion differently.

 

I think he's tired, and deserves death not only as karma but as a peaceful end and gift for all he's sacrificed for the world.

 

He's immortal and old. His Empire is gone, his culture is gone, and the world he loves is gone. 

 

He killed his people to save them. Why would that not apply to him as well?

 

[TheEggCrusher]

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I'm still holding out hope that redemption doesn't have to come with death; sometimes, redemption is life. Just ask Thom Rainier.

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I think Solas is a very unique case. My comment above explains my opinion