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[The Lone Shadow]

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...so, no one else wants to join Solas?...

 

 

...And here I thought this would be the one time when everyone else loved the bad guy as much as I did T_T

 

I'm reliving that moment when Starscream died, and everyone in the theater starting applauding while I cried...

 

FOREVER ALONE 

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Before the DLC, I was planning on having my current Lavellan join him. After all, she cares more about elves then humans and all that she has done up to that point was an effort to help them. Also, she isn't against sacrificing people when it comes to the greater good, such as letting the Chargers die to get the alliance.
But then he had to go and ruin it by telling her that even her people, the modern day elves, will die. That's just not going to fly with her. Kill all humans, sure. But you all elves you went to far.

[FernRain]

So I'm just wondering...when Solas wake up from his long slumber, does he wake up naturally, or has someone intentionally woke him up?

 

I have my suspicion that Mythal woke him. In the Black Emporium, there's a coded message that says:

 

"Two shadowed spheres among stars, an eclipse as Fen'Harel stirred".

 

Mythal supposedly made the moon (and there are two, apparently). I'm not sure what else a "shadowed sphere" would be.

[drosophila]

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Or maybe he doesn't even have to prefer the modern world over his own.  Maybe he just has to see that he doesn't need his old world to be happy and fulfilled.

 

I can understand his longing for his home, and his bitterness at having lost it.  But he does get a few moments of genuine happiness in Inquisition--and all of those revolve around friendship and love.  His bond with Cole.  His deep (and unexpected) regard for Cassandra.  And of course, his genuine love for Lavellan.  I'm probably rambling now because I've been reading Harry Potter and I'm still on pain meds, but I think a good restructuring of his priorities (love and friendship over restoration and power) would go a long way toward changing his heart.  

 

I so  this. Exactly!

[dawnstone]

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It's not even really poetic justice at this point, Weekes already said that his story is a tragedy, even if he doesn't die, he's not going to get what he wants. Which if he is redeemed is obviously awful, but he seems to have been born under an unlucky star as they say.

 

I do hope there is something good that comes out of all the suffering that has wracked the world because of his actions, nonetheless.

 

[Lunapur]

*Blanket fort defenses activate*:

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(I've been waiting for an excuse to post this)..

Omg where all my likes went.. here 

[TheEggCrusher]

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Read Ramification's post, directly above yours.

 

In fact, I'll repost it for you.   

 

 

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That's my response, and I'm sticking to it. 

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you're signature makes so much sense in this context XD

 

heal my hurts please. 

 

the hurts are hurting a lot

 

Anyways, I also think he can go both ways (life/death), and I think it is not necessarily unlikely that Bioware gives us the option to save his life (though probably for a price). 

 

The Weekes tweet is what really hit home for me. That tweet wasn't random, most likely. even if he didn't mean it as a reference, he's still the writer of Solas, and morals are one of the biggest factors in how an author writes. 

 

I'll hope with all the shredded pieces of my optimism flag, and maybe make a twitter so I can guilt trip weekes into giving us mercy. 

 

 

In the end, whatever happens happens, and as long as he is able to be redeemed somehow, death or not, i'll be happy.

[Mairemalley]

Theory on Solas and the Black City

 

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Solas created the Golden City when he created the veil.  It's either a prison for the evanuris or the key to upholding the veil.  It's omnipresence in the Fade is so that Solas can wander there at will and still keep an eye on it.  The whole turning black business was a sort of intruder alert, letting Solas know that it had been breached.  He was the one who threw the magisters in the deep roads and made them forget what, exactly, had happened.  They eventually became tainted there.  When Solas woke, he realised one of these magisters was still kicking around.  He knew that Corypheus had designs on godhood and that he had enough power (and knowledge of blood magic) to unlock the orb, since he'd managed to enter the Golden City.  And when Corypheus died in the resulting explosion, it was the merest comeuppance (not of the hugging kind) for attempting to enter the golden/black city.

[The Lone Shadow]

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Or maybe he doesn't even have to prefer the modern world over his own.  Maybe he just has to see that he doesn't need his old world to be happy and fulfilled.

 

I can understand his longing for his home, and his bitterness at having lost it.  But he does get a few moments of genuine happiness in Inquisition--and all of those revolve around friendship and love.  His bond with Cole.  His deep (and unexpected) regard for Cassandra.  And of course, his genuine love for Lavellan.  I'm probably rambling now because I've been reading Harry Potter and I'm still on pain meds, but I think a good restructuring of his priorities (love and friendship over restoration and power) would go a long way toward changing his heart.  

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I think he's not so much doing this for himself as he is for the ancient elves, and maybe in a twisted short of way doing it for the modern people. Like he sees them as some kind of horribly wounded animal that's in constant pain. Thinking its better to just euthanize it to put it out of its misery. He probably sees the modern day elves this way. Seeing Lavellan as a beautiful wolf who is permanently paralyzed, has a broken jaw, and who is nearly starved to death from not have eaten in days.

[Mairemalley]

"Two shadowed spheres among stars, an eclipse as Fen'Harel stirred".

 

Mythal supposedly made the moon (and there are two, apparently). I'm not sure what else a "shadowed sphere" would be.

 

 

I'd think the Mythal supposedly made the moon is the key.  It's quite possible this is just metaphor or PR, unless we also believe that Elgar'nan is the literal child of the sun, and that they are not uber-powerful Elvhen as Solas suggests.

 

My interpretation of it was that the spheres were the Earth and the Fade.  The eclipse is them coming back into alignment.  Ie: it's the severe weakening of the veil that woke Solas.

[TheEggCrusher]

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*hugs* *pats back* There there, it'll be okay. 

 

I guess I'm still flying high after my prediction came true. For Trespasser, a lot of people feared the worst, and I just kept thinking, "I'm sure he'll answer a decent amount of questions, I'm sure it'll be an extended Abelas situation, where we'll get the option to talk him down or kill him, I'm sure that they'll give the option for the relationship to continue," and I was mostly right. Solas does answer a lot of questions (including revealing he's the Dread Wolf!  ), our relationship doesn't automatically end, and the game did give us the option to try to talk him or kill him, much like Abelas at the temple.

 

If we declare our intention to change his mind, he even sounds half-hopeful that we'll succeed, and to my eyes the DLC ends on a hopeful note. Why put it there if they have no intention of following through?

 

Granted, I don't think a possible "bittersweet" instead of "soul-crushingly tragic" outcome for Solas will come cheaply (I fully expect there will have to be a lot of grief, sacrifice, and hardship, and Solas himself will have to experience a lot of defeats and despair; his plans thwarted, his forces failed, his hopes dashed and being left with nothing his own grief and regret before he's open to redemption, but ultimately, when the moment of truth comes, if the player made the right choices and dialogue options and so on, I think we'll be able to talk him down, or get as happy an ending as we can with Solas.

 

I just... have this feeling. I had this feeling about the DLC, and I was fairly right. I have this feeling about future games, and I think it'll mostly work out.

 

I believe. 

Well I'll just try to believe in you as much as I can. *raises optimism flag* 

 

other than that though, I found a song to get out all the solas feels 

 

 

 

"You can't choose what stays and what fades away"

 

ugh it fits so perfectly 

 

edit: lots of the song was taken out for the video. I would buy it. there's a lot more lyrics that are so Solasy that they're heartbreaking 

[Jayla]

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I remember a long while back that a big part of Team Optimism's agenda (if we ever had one, aside from ritualistically gross sobbing) was making sure Solas didn't get his biggest fear realised; dying alone. At the end of the day, we would all love for Solas and Lavellan to skip into the sunset making poems about daisies, but ultimately we just want Solas to be okay in the end, despite the tragic setup he has.

 

Now that we know where he's going (mentally) and what he intends to do, the chances of this not happening has increased by a buttload. How would we go about preventing his biggest fear coming to light? (If we had control over it of course). If Solas must die due to the dramatic drop of his plot-armored underwear (ooh la la!), then I would see that Lavellan got to be there with him. Not necessarily in a "die with him" type scenario, but just to be there for him while he dies.

 

 

Also, dunno where to put this so I'll put it here, but I noted a few pages back people were talking about how they'd go about getting a prosthetic arm of some kind for the Inquisitor (fade-sword arm, mounted crossbows,etc). Am I alone in wanting her to go without a prosthetic? My girl trained with daggers and bows, but I quite enjoy the idea of her practicing with one-handed swords to make up for her new found disability. People were talking about giving Dagna conjuring something up for her, but I think in a small way it defeats the effect of her losing an arm. Like Daredevil, who's blind, but can see just as well as anybody it seems. Or Hawkeye, who many wouldn't even guess he's supposed to be deaf.*

 

* Disclaimer: my knowledge on superheroes is super thin so apologies if I got something wrong.

[TheEggCrusher]

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I remember a long while back that a big part of Team Optimism's agenda (if we ever had one, aside from ritualistically gross sobbing) was making sure Solas didn't get his biggest fear realised; dying alone. At the end of the day, we would all love for Solas and Lavellan to skip into the sunset making poems about daisies, but ultimately we just want Solas to be okay in the end, despite the tragic setup he has.

 

Now that we know where he's going (mentally) and what he intends to do, the chances of this not happening has increased by a buttload. How would we go about preventing his biggest fear coming to light? (If we had control over it of course). If Solas must die due to the dramatic drop of his plot-armored underwear (ooh la la!), then I would see that Lavellan got to be there with him. Not necessarily in a "die with him" type scenario, but just to be there for him while he dies.

 

 

Also, dunno where to put this so I'll put it here, but I noted a few pages back people were talking about how they'd go about getting a prosthetic arm of some kind for the Inquisitor (fade-sword arm, mounted crossbows,etc). Am I alone in wanting her to go without a prosthetic? My girl trained with daggers and bows, but I quite enjoy the idea of her practicing with one-handed swords to make up for her new found disability. People were talking about giving Dagna conjuring something up for her, but I think in a small way it defeats the effect of her losing an arm. Like Daredevil, who's blind, but can see just as well as anybody it seems. Or Hawkeye, who many wouldn't even guess he's supposed to be deaf.*

 

* Disclaimer: my knowledge on superheroes is super thin so apologies if I got somethign wrong.

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Ultimately, that is what's most important to me. As long as Solas dies moderately happy, then what I wanted most from the solasmance was accomplished. 

 

I just want a good ending for him. My Lavellan can suffer and cry all she wants, as long as Solas is ok in the end

 

[Sable Rhapsody]

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Granted, I don't think a possible "bittersweet" instead of "soul-crushingly tragic" outcome for Solas will come cheaply (I fully expect there will have to be a lot of grief, sacrifice, and hardship, and Solas himself will have to experience a lot of defeats and despair; his plans thwarted, his forces failed, his hopes dashed and being left with nothing his own grief and regret before he's open to redemption, but ultimately, when the moment of truth comes, if the player made the right choices and dialogue options and so on, I think we'll be able to talk him down, or get as happy an ending as we can with Solas.

 
Avatar Aang gives us the following wisdom: "When we hit our lowest point, we are open to the greatest change."
 
*waves tiny Team Optimism flag*

 

[The Lone Shadow]

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I remember a long while back that a big part of Team Optimism's agenda (if we ever had one, aside from ritualistically gross sobbing) was making sure Solas didn't get his biggest fear realised; dying alone. At the end of the day, we would all love for Solas and Lavellan to skip into the sunset making poems about daisies, but ultimately we just want Solas to be okay in the end, despite the tragic setup he has.

 

Now that we know where he's going (mentally) and what he intends to do, the chances of this not happening has increased by a buttload. How would we go about preventing his biggest fear coming to light? (If we had control over it of course). If Solas must die due to the dramatic drop of his plot-armored underwear (ooh la la!), then I would see that Lavellan got to be there with him. Not necessarily in a "die with him" type scenario, but just to be there for him while he dies.

 

[spoiler]Lavellan: You won't die alone. *Cradles Solas's head as he dies* I Love you.

[Jayla]

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*hugs* *pats back* There there, it'll be okay. 

 

I guess I'm still flying high after my prediction came true. For Trespasser, a lot of people feared the worst, and I just kept thinking, "I'm sure it'll be an extended Abelas situation, where we'll get the option to talk him down or kill him, I'm sure that they'll give the option for the relationship to continue," and I was mostly right. Our relationship doesn't automatically end, and the game did give us the option to declare that we will try to change his mind or we'll try to hunt him down and kill him, which I think sounds a lot like an Abelas-at-the-Temple situation on a much grander scale.

 

If we declare our intention to change his mind, he even sounds half-hopeful that we'll succeed, and to my eyes the DLC ends on a relatively hopeful note. (As much as one can with a ray of sunshine like Solas.) Why put it there if they have no intention of following through?

 

Granted, I don't think a possible "bittersweet" instead of "soul-crushingly tragic" outcome for Solas will come cheaply (I fully expect there will have to be a lot of grief, sacrifice, and hardship, and Solas himself will have to experience a lot of defeats and despair; his plans thwarted, his forces failed, his hopes dashed and being left with nothing his own grief and regret before he's open to redemption, but ultimately, when the moment of truth comes, if the player made the right choices and dialogue options and so on, I think we'll be able to talk him down, or get as happy an ending as we can with Solas.

 

I just... have this feeling. I had this feeling about the DLC, and I was fairly right. I have this feeling about future games, and I think it'll mostly work out.

 

I believe. 

 

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I like this idea, and I can see what we said during the DLC playing a big part in what could happen with him. Such as; we must have selected that we won't give up on him, and one of the choices as to what to do with the Inquisition must have been selected. I can't work out which one would be better; on the one hand keeping the Inquisition risks corruption, but efforts against Solas is stronger, but if disbanding the Inquisition, less risk of corruption but efforts against Solas is weaker... I can't decide which one would be detrimental in pulling him back.

 

Edit: Also what does that mean exactly? Efforts against Solas? Does that mean if we disband we'll have less likely chance of a dead Solas, or higher chance of him succeeding where we don't want him to. x)

[The Lone Shadow]

Its official you guys, we are masochists.

[Jayla]

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Ultimately, that is what's most important to me. As long as Solas dies moderately happy, then what I wanted most from the solasmance was accomplished. 

 

I just want a good ending for him. My Lavellan can suffer and cry all she wants, as long as Solas is ok in the end

 

 

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I'm still entirely open to the possibility of Solas coming out completely okay, Thedas is unmolested, and the pair skipping off into the sunset. I want to stress that!

 

But yes, if must happen, I want Solas to be okay. I think that's all any of his fans want. ^^

 

 
Avatar Aang gives us the following wisdom: "When we hit our lowest point, we are open to the greatest change."
 
*waves tiny Team Optimism flag*

 

Tweet that to Weekes as a gentle reminder!

 

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Lavellan: You won't die alone. *Cradles Solas's head as he dies* I Love you.

 

 

Also I'm out of likes, all quoted please take a heart each:

[Kadan]

Its official you guys, we are masochists.

 I'm out of likes for the first time ever. I've been liking things for days and wondered when I would reach the end.

 

[Sable Rhapsody]

Tweet that to Weekes as a gentle reminder!

 

Sorry, I don't have Twitter  I'm a bit of a social media misanthrope.  But I think he knows.  I trust him to spin us a good yarn, even if it leaves us all sobbing our hearts out.

[drosophila]

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By the way, one thing the DLC did to me is kill my love for fluff. It's all about love, death, morality, and scheming lately. I think about adorkable Solas owning a bakery and suddenly it feels wrong.

So do you think the adorkable Fade nerd was ever there? Was it truly a part of who he was? I think he was acting as naturally as possible during his time with the Inquisition, but I may have misinterpreted a lot of his words and actions.

I miss the adorkable Fade nerd. He will probably not be making an appearance again the way this is going

[Jayla]

Sorry, I don't have Twitter  I'm a bit of a social media misanthrope.  But I think he knows.  I trust him to spin us a good yarn, even if it leaves us all sobbing our hearts out.

 

That's okay, I don't have a Twitter either. Well... I do... But I don't know how to use it, so that's just as good as not having one!

[TheEggCrusher]

@Jayla 

 

Your signature is beautiful. I'm going to spend an hour thinking about it now. 

 

Ugh, so beautiful. 

 

;-;