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[Sable Rhapsody]

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By the way, one thing the DLC food to me is kill my love for fluff. It's all about love, death, morality, and scheming lately. I think about adorkable Solas owning a bakery and suddenly it feels wrong.

So do you think the adorkable Fade nerd was ever there? Was it truly a part of who he was? I think he was acting as naturally as possible during his time with the Inquisition, but I may have misinterpreted a lot of his words and actions.

I miss the adorkable Fade nerd. He will probably not be making an appearance again the way this is going

 

Yeah, I'm having trouble with fluff too.  Though I am working through post-Trespasser fanfiction for my Lavellan that, while not exactly happy, has a certain measure of closure for her.

 

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As for the adorkable Fade nerd, I think the situation in Inquisition was kind of @ss backwards from what we all assumed it was.  When we first saw the stinger, we assumed that his behavior was due to being Fen'Harel in the guise of Solas.  Now that we know Solas came first, I think it's more likely that he's Solas 99% of the time, and only Fen'Harel when he has to be.

 

...that might not have made sense to anyone but me.  Oh well!  Hasn't stopped me from posting before

[TheEggCrusher]

Guys, we should just read Pride and Prejudice and imagine that Solas is Mr. Darcy and Elizabeth is Lavellan. 

 

Their romance is a lot like the solasmance, imo, but at least they actually get married 

[Shari'El]

Just a thought about the next Dragon Age PC:

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I think it's very possible that the next PC is still going to be the Inquisitor, because:

- In the end, everybody gets a pretty similar outcome. Inquisitor is alive, missing a arm, chasing after Solas (with or without the firm intent to kill him). That could explain why they didn't make it possible to follow Solas or get killed by him. 

 

-They say you need to get new people, some that Solas won't know about, and they're going to get reinforcement from Tevinter. This is a reason to get a new crew, and explain why most of the Inquisitor companions won't come back. I'm thinking Mass Effect 2 here, where they had Shepard disappear for 2 years, just to give her a new crew.

 

-That could be why it's called Dragon Age: Inquisition instead of Dragon Age 3. Because they wanted to make a trilogy, i'm thinking MAss Effect again, with the amazing popularity of Shepard. So we might have Dragon Age Inquisiton 1, 2, 3.

English not being my first language, I hope it makes sense

 

Sorry to bring this from the dead but you guys created 14 pages while I was sleeping:

 

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The part that no matter what your PC will be alive and won't disappear from the world is significant as well in my eyes. Just like Hawke, every Hawke ended pretty much the same so s/he was able to return in DAI, BUT! Unlike Hawke and HoF, the Inquisitor still has a goal, still has a purpose, HoF defeated the Archdemon, Hawke defeated Orsino and Meredith, in Inquisition however, Solas yet lives, his plan is still in action and the Inquisitor is actively pursuing him in order to stop him. Since they seem reluctant to return protagonists as NPCs (see Hawke -cough-) they might have two protagonists (one in Tevinter and one is the Inquisitor) or that we'll only get commands and orders from the Inquisitor to Tevinter... I heard that in case there is another game then the Solas romance will be resolved (which gives me hope) so we might see the Inquisitor on screen for Solas confrontation based on their disposition towards Solas and what they pledged (redeem him or kill him) - that is in case we can't play in the Inquisitor.

Anyhow, the Trespasser makes it clear that unlike the other protagonists - Inquisitor's story is not over.

 

I like your idea though of a new crew to the Inquisitor, that would be awesome, and the Inquisitor will have a special substitute arm that can be upgraded like Varric's crossbow -drools-

[midnight tea]

OMG I HAVE to show you this picture I found on pinterest! 

 

Lol, that's actually based on David Gaider's AU twitter 'fanfiction'

[drosophila]

Yeah, I'm having trouble with fluff too.  Though I am working through post-Trespasser fanfiction for my Lavellan that, while not exactly happy, has a certain measure of closure for her.

 

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As for the adorkable Fade nerd, I think the situation in Inquisition was kind of @ss backwards from what we all assumed it was.  When we first saw the stinger, we assumed that his behavior was due to being Fen'Harel in the guise of Solas.  Now that we know Solas came first, I think it's more likely that he's Solas 99% of the time, and only Fen'Harel when he has to be.

 

...that might not have made sense to anyone but me.  Oh well!  Hasn't stopped me from posting before

 

No, makes perfect sense, and it's what I want to believe. I just want enough people to repeat it, so that I feel convinced

 

Looking forward to your fic!

 

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Ironically, a little before Tresspasser I'd started a fic some 200 years in the future where Fen'Harel has gathered a sizable army and is leading another rebellion. Lavellan was there, of course. What we found out in Tresspasser actually meshed very well with the story I had in mind, so now I have to first write a fic where their meeting goes slightly differently and Lavellan can join Solas.

 

Ironically, while planning my story I was wondering if it fit Solas' character to be gathering and organizing military forces towards his goals. After Tresspasser: *triple facepalm*

[Sable Rhapsody]

Looking forward to your fic!

 

The Little Makers

 

It's almost done, I just have to clean up the last chapter before I post.  And mostly it's rambling as I tried to work through my post-Trespasser feels.  But there are badass magical prosthesis, so there's that

[midnight tea]

*reads updated Sera's notes in her Cullenmancing mage Trevelyan playthrough*

"Cully and Elisarly tied it! Desks watch out!*

 

LOL

[drosophila]

 

The Little Makers

 

It's almost done, I just have to clean up the last chapter before I post.  And mostly it's rambling as I tried to work through my post-Trespasser feels.  But there are badass magical prosthesis, so there's that

 Bookmarked, will read with my morning coffee!

[Jayla]

Just as long as you don't give up hope entirely. No spirit likes to fall to despair. 

 

I looked up the full lyrics to the full song. You're right, that song suits Solas all too well. O.o

 

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Now I'm imagining a Hunger Games scenario, where Solas lays his head in our laps and we sing him a lullaby as he dies, so he doesn't die alone.   

 

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Oh, I totally agree. I embrace the Inquisitor's lost arm, and I want her to show up in all her stumpy glory.

 

I also work with the deaf and hard-of-hearing, so combating Ableism is part of my job. It's nothing short of tragic how many parents, relatives, friends, random aquaintences, people on the streets, etc. think that deaf people are fundamentally flawed, crippled, incapable, infantilized, and mentally and emotionally incapable just because they happen to have ears that don't 100% work. Being deaf and hard-of-hearing... just means you can't hear. It doesn't mean you're broken, it doesn't mean you're flawed, it doesn't mean you're incapable. Anyone who's deaf is just as capable of using their eyes, mouths, hands, facial expressions, body language, etc (assuming those don't also need assistance of their own) to make up for the lack of hearing. But it's sad how many parents try to push solutions that aren't in the best interest of their children, just because they think that lack of hearing is a fundamental flaw that they need to "fix." 

 

I also still remember and keep up with the Mad Max hype, which is lawded not only as a feminist film, but as a... um... disability-rights film. How Furiosa's missing arm is treated as just another feature on her body, like her hair or her eyes, not like this great crippling feature that leaves her incapable or incomplete. Her prosthetic limb looks awesome and comes in handy, but she's shown to kick just as much butt and capable of solving just as many problems without it on as with it on. It's amazing how many people with some disability or another (I know it's not a nice way of saying it, but I'm too tired right now) have felt inspired or empowered by that film, and cosplay and write about it. 

 

I imagine my Inquisitor wears her missing arm with pride. She's a mage and only has to use a staff, so I guess she has it easier than archers or two-handed Inquisitors...

 

Although I do have other Inquisitor who have such fighting styles, and I also imagine that they might use prosthetics if it happens to suit them (like my "one-armed dwarven Furiosa"  ), or retrain themselves if it doesn't.

 

I know my Qunari is totally going to think her missing arm is her most attractive feature after Trespasser, and won't be able to wait to show off her "battle scars" to Josephine in bed. (Poor Josephine...)

 

 

Yes! that's perfect! That's exactly what I was trying to say!

 

I think there should/will be at least the option to help him, but Solas will have to reach his lowest point first. What's that other saying? "You have to reach rock bottom before you're willing to climb up."

 

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Damn! Now I'm going to have to headcanon* my girl can sing! I'd withhold surrounding Solas in flowers though.

 

Off-topic, but I remember watching Mad Max and not even realising Furiosa was even missing an arm until the metal prosthetic came off, and even then I was sitting there thinking, "Wait, when did that happen? It's not bleeding so it can't be recent... Oooh! I get it!" Great film.

 

I don't have my likes back and I'm sorry I don't have enough brain to respond to your entire comment, but take some hearts:

 

@Jayla 

 

Your signature is beautiful. I'm going to spend an hour thinking about it now. 

 

Ugh, so beautiful. 

 

;-; 

 

Thank you! Admittedly I don't know the source it comes from personally, I just saw the quote in a wallpaper dump, googled the quote and decided it was appropriate for my current feelings. xD The book it's based on could be amazing or garbage, I don't know. I might have to give it a try!

 

Yeah, I'm having trouble with fluff too.  Though I am working through post-Trespasser fanfiction for my Lavellan that, while not exactly happy, has a certain measure of closure for her.

 

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As for the adorkable Fade nerd, I think the situation in Inquisition was kind of @ss backwards from what we all assumed it was.  When we first saw the stinger, we assumed that his behavior was due to being Fen'Harel in the guise of Solas.  Now that we know Solas came first, I think it's more likely that he's Solas 99% of the time, and only Fen'Harel when he has to be.

 

...that might not have made sense to anyone but me.  Oh well!  Hasn't stopped me from posting before

 

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I think it was all Solas all the time, and there were different levels of reservations and inhibitions. Solas in Trespasser is Solas without those reservations or inhibitions (but plenty sprinkled with hearty doses of despair). Fen'Harel didn't really exist in the way we thought he did, it was a title and nothing more, and something your Inquisitor may or may not identify with.

 

Personally, I think it's more appropriate to Hawke's Champion of Kirkwall title than the Inquisitors. Hawke tried to do good and crap fell apart anyway, but people gave them a pretty title for it anyway. I always got the impression my Hawke felt the title was always entirely undeserved.

[Shari'El]

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I got the extra option at the end, so yeah I think I had thankfully picked up the one in the Deep Roads. But thanks to you I also got the achievement which I hadn't XD Anyway, for a moment I thought it was the right codex, because when you go to that room you mentioned, and there is a painting of Fen'Harel, this time without a hood, and well everyone can see that it's a bald egg elf.. and Lavellan says "Is that...? Wait, I think I see something". So I thought it was also because of that one that she recognizes him.. But it's not listed in Commander of the Grey's post. Interesting

Which Eluvian are you struggling with? Are you able to post a screenshot? Since you helped me maybe I can help you in return XD

 

Can you tell me where? In spoiler tag of course. I didn't get that.

[drosophila]

 

The Little Makers

 

It's almost done, I just have to clean up the last chapter before I post.  And mostly it's rambling as I tried to work through my post-Trespasser feels.  But there are badass magical prosthesis, so there's that

 

Yeah, I was supposed to start reading in the morning, but what she says near the end of chapter 1     

[Sable Rhapsody]

Yeah, I was supposed to start reading in the morning, but what she says near the end of chapter 1     

 

It wouldn't be Solas fanfiction without feels 

[Jayla]

 

The Little Makers

 

It's almost done, I just have to clean up the last chapter before I post.  And mostly it's rambling as I tried to work through my post-Trespasser feels.  But there are badass magical prosthesis, so there's that

 

I've only just started reading, but I love your writing style!

[Sable Rhapsody]

I've only just started reading, but I love your writing style!

 

 

Thank you!    Now I should go to sleep before I ramble some more.

[Nightspirit]

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definitely agree with this.

I don't understand why anyone would try to make out that Mythal is somehow better than Solas when she's been complicit in this all along. She gave him her power, she agreed with him, at the end of DA:I, that they needed to do whatever was necessary to save 'the people'. In that sense, her hands aren't clean. You could argue that Mythal has helped people in Thedas since then, eg. saving the wardens so they could stop the blight - but, so has Solas, knowing he had to kill them. In DA:O/2, what we knew of Flemeth is that she quite bitter, can be ruthless, and believes in destiny - likely that hasn't changed much since we found out she was Mythal in part, and her need for vengeance is... alarming, honestly.

The details are also sketchy as to exactly how she treated her people. She had vallaslin - and so owned slaves, in some form. I have difficulty understanding how a revolutionary who devoted himself, initially, to freeing slaves and empowering people, giving them the choice to fight against their masters, would be fond of a slave owner, however benevolent, however good her intentions. Perhaps Mythal was dead by this point - the slave-freeing only begun afterwards. Solas may also lack the vantage point of someone 'on the ground' and fail to understand how Mythal's sympathy was useless for most slaves trying to change material conditions.

I know it's unlikely, but I wonder if Solas was formerly a slave himself - perhaps even Mythal's - and Mythal freed him from his shackles, perhaps seeing that it was unfair/unjust, or perhaps recognising intelligence and talent in him. That would explain why he speaks so highly of her.

 

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Maybe that's what Cole means when he says in Trespasser "He did not want a body, but she asked him to come. He left a scar when he burned her off his face."

 

Perhaps he removed her vallaslin? Also - is that the origin of a scar on his forehead  ?

 

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I've been thinking about this for the past few days and.. I don't trust Mythal anymore.

I've always thought that "burning her off his face" meant the removal of vallaslin, which means he could've been Mythal's slave at some point, and decided to free himself. But.. maybe he couldn't remove the geas from himself completely? Maybe she manipulated him to be used as a tool in whatever power struggles the Evanuris had. I can't help but feel a big betrayal coming up.

[Abelis]

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Maybe that's what Cole means when he says in Trespasser "He did not want a body, but she asked him to come. He left a scar when he burned her off his face."

 

Perhaps he removed her vallaslin? Also - is that the origin of a scar on his forehead  ?

i like this, i think its very possible. also add into consideration this

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During Cole's quest, when he says to Varic that one cannot change his nature by simply wishing it, he suddenly stares away like he is remembering something that contradicts what he says. Also, if Cole is made human, when Solas says I never expected to see that (changing cole's nature), Cole asks him:when did you see that again, which he denies seeing it before, but he didnt convince me, rather he was evading

[Shari'El]

Bwahaha. Mike Laidlaw spilled coffee on his Nintendo DS and...

 

https://twitter.com/...739295917248516

 

https://twitter.com/...742207607279616

 

 

I am just done.

 

I am actually crying from laughter.

My cheeks hurtttttt XDDD

[midnight tea]

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Ooooh-kay... I'm now pretty convinced that Skyhold is exactly where Solas created the Veil first. One of the Archivists in the Shattered Library said "After he held back the sky to imprison the gods, the Dread Wolf disappeared".

 

Considering that elvhen name for Skyhold translates to "a place where the sky was held back" I think that it's a pretty strong indicator that Skyhold is waaaaaaay more important than we might have thought it would. 

 

I also wonder if this is supposed to be symbolic? That Inquisitor was 'gifted' the place where the Veil is the oldest and strongest, as one who will protect the world born from its creation?

 

I wonder what it means for Skyhold in the future though...? I suppose a few holes in the walls might be the least of our worries in the next title.

 

In fact, I'd be disappointed now if they wouldn't produce a scene in which someone has FINALLY patched the holes in the walls leading to War Room, only for the entire castle to collapse around them

 

Interesting to note: Dorian says that after having so many samples, it probably wouldn't be too hard to build own eluvians. He sounds pretty enthusiastic about it. I assume that means we may see yet another thing Tevinter has copied from the elves, that may also help us move around quickly all over the map in the future game.

 

edit: Oh My God, those TROLLS from Bioware! I lit a rune with veilfire that only spelled: BEHIND YOU. And OF COURSE demons attack me from behind!

[Shari'El]

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Ok so ... In Hushed Whispers, go into the future, the Veil is shattered, Solas says that no barrier exists between the physical world and the Fade.  Wouldn't the Evanuris have been released then?  In Trespasser you can ask him that if he takes down the Veil then wouldn't the false gods be released and Solas will say he had plans.  But what about in the alternate future during the mage questline?

 

 

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Wait, really? I don't remember that.. I re-watched the encounter with Solas and he doesn't mention such a thing. Can you tell me where?

[Brass_Buckles]

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Does anyone else have the impression that Solas, with his doubts, may actually be less dangerous than Flemeth/Mythal who's bent on vengeance for herself and for the world that was betrayed?  You might be able to sway Solas from his course, but not Flemeth/Mythal.  And Sandal's prophecy implies that Solas's apparent plan will come to fruition regardless of our actions.

[Ossifer]

 I have an observation. I'm sure other people have thought of this already, but:

 

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Consider: Flemythal's method of effecting change is subtler, more long-term, and much less attention-grabbing than Solas'. Her whole shtick is to pull the "ah, I am but a wacky old woman!" trick, while gently nudging one or two people into the situation she wants to change. (eg: hawke and the warden.)

 

And she does this while gaining very little attention from anyone. No one in-universe mentions Flemeth as having anything to do with the ending of the Blight, even though she saved the last of the Wardens, sent Morrigan along, and had the treaties ready to lend to them at the perfect time.

 

(the treaty part is what really intrigues me, because how long has she been holding onto them? her shack is tiny, there's no room in there for junk. she must have known specifically that her plans would require the wardens.)

 

Solas, on the other hand, bless his little heart, only seems to comprehend change if it's overdramatic and sweeping, and made entirely by his decisions. Mythal killed by a corrupt regime? SUNDER THE WORLD IN TWAIN. Sundered world is disappointing? DESTROY IT ENTIRELY. What do you MEAN you can't single-handedly end slavery, Dorian??

 

(i'm exaggerating a bit for humorous effect, but honestly. he doesn't seem to get the concept of waiting a bit to gauge the situation before jumping in.)

 

Anyway. Basically, at the moment, despite the fact that Solas had a pretty good cover as "Average Elven Hobo Man" he's now drawing the gaze of the Inquisition, the Qunari, and a ton of elves. I think, knowingly or not, Flemythal's the one pulling the strings- nudge a player into position, let them do the heavy lifting while she remains out of the line of fire. Except on a somewhat bigger scale, since Solas can petrify people with his mind and all.

 

And I really doubt Flemythal would let him kill her without several backup plans + some reason for wanting to go along with his idea. So far, she's shown very little interest in the elves whatsoever- to the point where Lavellan can actually be angry about how unhelpful she's been. I don't think she feels strongly enough about rebuilding ancient elven glory to die for it, so she clearly has another reason for powering Solas up and letting him loose onto the world.

 

(also i really like flemeth, and i am just WAITING for something deliciously horrible to happen with my lavellan who drank from the well.)

[Delphine]

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- Calpernia as DA4 companion, yes, yes a thousand times yes. I want her in my team, I want to see more of her, that character is too interesting to be left in a corner.

 

- I hope Weekes and the DA team won't fully and exclusively go on the "redemption in death" path for Solas. It's an overused trope, it's boring, it's easy, it's been done countless of times, it conveys a mindset that I do not align with, and Solas deserves better than to be stuck in that role so many characters have played before him. So far, the DA saga wasn't one who would easily lean on overused stereotypes to tell their stories and to give their plotlines resolution. I hope the story of Solas wouldn't be the first to disappoint me in that area.