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[RedMagister]

I have completely given up on trying to keep up with this thread. It moves too fast for me to read back more than two or three pages. Forgive me if this is rambly and random, I'm kind of on limited sleep.

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I've seen some sort of redemption through death thing coming for Solas from the beginning. Pretty much all of the theories I had about him, (except the Felassan one where he took his body) were spot on, which I feel immensely cheered over. Perhaps the rest will pan out, too.

This is horrible, but I kind of enjoy seeing him suffer on a certain level, and I feel like that since the future plot (or I believe it is suggested to be, via two separate prophecies) hangs heavily on him successfully removing the veil and releasing the Evanuris, I want some sort of other horrible thing to happen, like he finds out that Mythal was playing him for a fool all along acting out her plans, or he has to see Lavellan die for what he did and live with it for all eternity, depowered and broken, or even that the Elvhen turn on him and don't accept his glorious plan.

I would love it if say you end up in DA4 finding one of the Forgotten Ones - say, Geldauran - and he knew Solas because he was the one who put him in prison, and hey you need help defeating him, oh ho ho. There are so many possibilities for the next game. It's going to be amazing.

Ohh. Didn't consider recruiting others. Me likey.

[Abelis]

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I want to save Solas, if I can I will (so long as it doesn't involve me having my Inquisitor act out of character). I want to make him see that what's gone is gone and it's time to build something new and meaningful moving forward, and that there is value in this world and that the modern elves are awesome in their own way.

 

If Solas were to fight against unleashed Evanuris, I'd absolutely join him. The Evanuris are terrible bad news. Then it is a question of what comes after for him. And also a scenario of where he's the one that likely let them free.

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[yes that i could see that, he could be the one releasing them** before being convinced his plan would be a mistake and then fighting against them. Makes it ever more complicated.
Edit**: I his plan is not releasing them but he says has plans keeping them at bay somehow, but so far his plans continuously seem to go very different from what he expects.

[S.W.]

Theory on Solas and the Black City

 

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Solas created the Golden City when he created the veil.  It's either a prison for the evanuris or the key to upholding the veil.  It's omnipresence in the Fade is so that Solas can wander there at will and still keep an eye on it.  The whole turning black business was a sort of intruder alert, letting Solas know that it had been breached.  He was the one who threw the magisters in the deep roads and made them forget what, exactly, had happened.  They eventually became tainted there.  When Solas woke, he realised one of these magisters was still kicking around.  He knew that Corypheus had designs on godhood and that he had enough power (and knowledge of blood magic) to unlock the orb, since he'd managed to enter the Golden City.  And when Corypheus died in the resulting explosion, it was the merest comeuppance (not of the hugging kind) for attempting to enter the golden/black city.

 

This! This would make perfect sense.

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I think the city turning black is related to the blight though, which I think pre-dates the magisters invading the Golden City. The Primeaval Thaig suggests as much, unless it's been recently corrupted. I think people have put forward the theory that Andruil unleashed it on the world when she began hunting in 'the void' - which I still like - but I think it's also possible it could come out of a conflict with the Evunaris and the Titans - perhaps a specifically-developed bioweapon against them? If so, damn, that's cruel.

 

They either caught the blight whilst there, or Solas inflicted them with it as both a means to forget everything, as well as non-hugging comeuppance too.

 

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By the way, one thing the DLC did to me is kill my love for fluff. It's all about love, death, morality, and scheming lately. I think about adorkable Solas owning a bakery and suddenly it feels wrong.

So do you think the adorkable Fade nerd was ever there? Was it truly a part of who he was? I think he was acting as naturally as possible during his time with the Inquisition, but I may have misinterpreted a lot of his words and actions.

I miss the adorkable Fade nerd. He will probably not be making an appearance again the way this is going

 

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Agreeing with Illyria and others - that adorkable fade nerd was closest to the person he was, to Solas, before he got entangled in politics. I think otherwise, it would have been too easy to blow cover. But I also think he probably enjoyed being just Solas again.

 

I do hope we'll see glimpses of the cute fade nerd we all love and know, especially after romancing him, not just this grim and fatalistic Fen'Harel stuff. If we had an encounter with him which had some humour, or a little reminder of who he was at the start of DA:I, then I'd be really happy

 

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I remember a long while back that a big part of Team Optimism's agenda (if we ever had one, aside from ritualistically gross sobbing) was making sure Solas didn't get his biggest fear realised; dying alone. At the end of the day, we would all love for Solas and Lavellan to skip into the sunset making poems about daisies, but ultimately we just want Solas to be okay in the end, despite the tragic setup he has.

 

Now that we know where he's going (mentally) and what he intends to do, the chances of this not happening has increased by a buttload. How would we go about preventing his biggest fear coming to light? (If we had control over it of course). If Solas must die due to the dramatic drop of his plot-armored underwear (ooh la la!), then I would see that Lavellan got to be there with him. Not necessarily in a "die with him" type scenario, but just to be there for him while he dies.

 

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This - I hope if Solas has to die, then Lavellen will at least be there with him. Comforting him, holding him, reciting bad dalish love poetry, etc.

 

I don't want him to die, though. Death can be pretty cheap. An easy exit, when it comes to the things Solas has done and is planning to do. I'd rather he lived to atone. We already looked at the benefits of death as redemption vs. life as redemption in the choice of DA:O endings.

[Solas]

Excellent RP opportunity in that Abelis.

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Say he lets them go, his plan to deal with them fails, it becomes a war to resist the false gods, and you join forces with him to stop them, and do. Would she forgive him, in the aftermath? Ohhh the rp

 

In case anyone has the wrong impression let me be clear

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I want to save and redeem Solas. I want to have that option. 

 

The post was a discussion specifically about how if the writers used the redemption in death for him trope, how I wouldn't find it cheap or over used, and why. It was intended to establish

- how I consider the scale of his actions

- what I consider him to have done

- what I think will be the consequences of tearing down the Veil

[Illyria]

Excellent RP opportunity in that Abelis.

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Say he lets them go, his plan to deal with them fails, it becomes a war to resist the false gods, and you join forces with him to stop them, and do. Would she forgive him, in the aftermath? Ohhh the rp

 

In case anyone has the wrong impression let me be clear

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I want to save and redeem Solas. I want to have that option. 

 

The post was a discussion specifically about how if the writers used the redemption in death for him trope, how I wouldn't find it cheap or over used, and why. It was intended to establish

- how I consider the scale of his actions

- what I consider him to have done

- what I think will be the consequences of tearing down the Veil

 

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If I had the option I would side with Solas for the RP.

[Solas]

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If I had the option I would side with Solas for the RP.

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I love considering what to do in such scenarios 

[wright1978]

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If I had the option I would side with Solas for the RP.

 

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If i had the option i'd definitely play as an elf and side with Solas. 

[ZhengAn]

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Concerning the redemption in death.

 

Well, we solamancers got a total of 4 chances to break up/end romance with him in game+trespasser, first after fade scene, second in the balcony, third one after temple of mythal. We are all warned by solas that it might not ended well, but we still insist .

 

Our lavellan could just have gave up and move to the sweet cullen romance, or to ride the bull, but they didn't. In trespasser, even knowing his identity and insane plan, lavellan still have faith in Solas. In some way, I would say lavellan is just as stubborn as her boyfriend. (and TOUGH, I myself would just choose the broken heart dialogue in trespasser.)

 

 So...from a writer's perspective, I don't know, is that possible for PW to ever have a thought that, maybe the solamancers deserve something warmer and happier after the long long struggle?

 

I don't really oppose redemption in death for Solas though, it is cliche, but I think PW would make it a terribly beautiful and sad scene, just like the post-temple of mythal scene. However, why am I feeling that the more we talk about it, the more the people who are certain about it, the higher the possibility that Solas in DA4/5 would end up in an entirely opposite way? Bioware always love to surprise us    

[Solas]

Zheng:

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On surprising and certainty, I feel kinda bad because so far I called 95% of Solas' background and plans & about the Evanuris since finishing DAI the first time in November 2014.     Perhaps I should stop writing what I think will happen because it's like Midas or something. Is my fault everyone, I led us all to ruin.  

[Abelis]

Excellent RP opportunity in that Abelis.

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Say he lets them go, his plan to deal with them fails, it becomes a war to resist the false gods, and you join forces with him to stop them, and do. Would she forgive him, in the aftermath? Ohhh the rp

 

In case anyone has the wrong impression let me be clear

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I want to save and redeem Solas. I want to have that option. 

 

The post was a discussion specifically about how if the writers used the redemption in death for him trope, how I wouldn't find it cheap or over used, and why. It was intended to establish

- how I consider the scale of his actions

- what I consider him to have done

- what I think will be the consequences of tearing down the Veil

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Yes exactly! if i were given a choice after such a scenario, i would be really internally conflicted what to decide! I would have a long inner discussion with my self for which amount of actions i consider are redeemable, and where a line is drawn, or if there is a line drawn! really interesting food for thought

 

oops wrong tags for 'spoiler'! corrected them! sorry

[CapricornSun]

Art post. Because why not? 

 

 

Non-Trespasser Art

 

Fluffy Solavellan comic.

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Source: http://sariplushies....-after-creating

 

 

 

 

Solas and Lavellan.

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Source: http://zeuswares.tum...nquisitor-inana

 

 

Solas and Lavellan relaxing under a tree.

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Source: http://merhelv.tumbl...s-all-the-angst

 

 

Cute comic of Cole, Solas, Lavellan, and a baby dragon.

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Source: http://beginnerfanar...iveaway-its-not

 

 

 

Solas, Sera, and Iron Bull do yoga.

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Source: http://grotesqueerie...l-in-yoga-pants

 

 

 

 

And Trespasser fanart. (SPOILER ART!)

 

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Boop!

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Solas going through the eluvian. (I like this one.)

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Source: http://meexart.tumbl...itorous-egg-man

 

 

Solas with glowy eyes.

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Source: http://etc983.tumblr...1896183/9132015

 

 

Just Solas.

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Source: http://masseffxt.tum...on-this-journey

 

 

I quite like this artwork. (Solas and Lavellan)

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Source: http://empty-ocean.t...-the-old-dalish

 

 

There's a wolf in my heart. (Not really Trespasser-related but the artist tagged it as such.) NSFW for nudity.

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Source: http://phemiec.tumbl...cause-if-i-dont

 

 

"Ir abelas, ma vhenan."

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Source: http://mensori.tumbl...st/128958796800

 

 

"And now you know."

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Source: http://crystalnyam.t...t-heartbreaking

 

 

Forever is a long long time

But I wouldn't mind spending it by your side

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Source: http://cccrystalclea...lsive-art-ideas

 

 

Lavellan and bad bad Solas.

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Source: http://purplemeow123...avellan-and-bad

 

 

"You should not be here." (Solavellan post-Trespasser.)

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Source: http://destinyaposta...per-lazy-sketch

 

 

[almasy87]

Trespasser Flycam experiment with Solas romance: 

 

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Wait, what hair is your Lavellan using? That looks gorgeous.. is it a mod??? Why didn't I know about this???

Also, I've been trying to use Flycam again (done it in the past) but something is weird, I don't understand... It will not move. Basically it only rotates on itself but it doesn't move around.. If I use numlock 4 and 6 it rotates, if I use arrows left and right it rotates. What is happening? How do I move it, anyone has an idea why? I'm pretty sure it was different before D:

[AllThatJazz]

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I love you, Rosie, but you know that. Agree with you 100%. At the end of it all who will be the ones who would feel satisfied? The people who hate him, they would be laughing, they get everything they want, that would feel so damn wrong to me. I couldn't bear a Solas dies and leaves Lavellan alone AGAIN ending, it wouldn't make me sad, it would disappoint me and leave me painfully unsatisfied.

Thankyou Ajna I  you too.

 

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Yeah, it would basically make me never want to go near the Solas romance again on subsequent playthroughs, because what's the point if all there is, is unavoidable heartbreak again and again? At least with different options that rely on having made different decisions etc, it's worth replaying for additional outcomes. It doesn't bother me in Trespasser because it isn't over - Solas's story isn't done, and Solavellan isn't done - they love each other and she's trying to 'change his heart'. If DA4 can only end with his death, then ... well, I think I'd rather steer clear. And that would be sad, because there's so much about it that's lovely. 

 

Anyone want have a crack at my Masked Empire/Felassan question? I'd be interested to see if anyone thinks it's a possibility

 

Edit: Solas - I hope you're wrong, but I love your posts

[Eurowande]

@Solas i dont want you to get me wrong i LOVE reading your ideas even when i dont agree with them, but thats why we are here and talking, if we all agree about everything there will be no discussion at all and we will die from boredom long before they even announce DA 4 . So even if i dont personally agree with your PoV i like reading it and discussing it

Im open to new ideas , i hope I didnt sound disrespectful or something it was not my intention at all

[Illyria]

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I love considering what to do in such scenarios 

 

DAI really lacked any ability to be evil, which limits RP a bit.  Sure, I get why they took the stupid evil choices out - if the Inquisitor was going around kicking puppies and eating babies then the advisors would remove them from the position, imprison them and only get them out whenever any rifts need sealing (and as Solas proved at the first rift - the herald doesn't actually have to do anything.  They just need to wave at it).  But still - corrupting Cole into a demon during his quest (completely subverting 'take a third option' tropes), execute Blackwall yourself, show no sympathy to Varric following Hawke's death, threaten the conscripted (or even allied!) mages with Tranquility...  All of these would've added fantastic RP options to the game.  Horrible options, but good RP.

[Solas]

np eurowande 

[Avejajed]

The problem, and I'm not going to tag this because it's not really a spoiler, but the problem with giving characters too much room to RP is it could severely hinder future games.

The thing is, we have to get from A to B, using a ton of different paths and choices to get there. But at the end we still have to be at B.

The paths we take to get there are varied and we may have minor changes in world state, but everyone gets the same general ending because all end choices have to eventually lead to the same future in DA4.

Does this make sense?

[xPez]

I have to say, after playing Trespasser and now replaying the standard DA:I game, Solas has got to be the best written character BW have ever made. It helps that he is so integral to the plot and gets more screen time, but even so he's just great.

[S.W.]

Guys, what do you think Morrigan would make of Solas

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when she eventually figures out that he's the dread wolf and wants to destroy the veil?

 

I mean, she very much romanticises the ancient past - she preserves what was for very little reason beyond saving it for its own sake. This particularly applies to magic. No doubt it was Flemeth who encouraged this - taught her ancient magic, encouraged her to treasure it, preserve it, knowing that eventually it'd be a part of her heritage and she'd suddenly see the value of this practice when she became Mythal.

 

I doubt she'd oppose the idea of destroying the veil in theory because of that. I wonder whether she'd change her stance, realising the absurd cost, and also realising that Flemeth is actually complicit in this plan as well. I think she could have a really intriguing role in the coming conflict, depending on whether she finds what Flemeth left for her in the eluvian, or whether she rejects that gift.

 

Like, Solas and Morrigan constantly sniped at each other during What Pride Had Wrought. Solas made no secret of the fact that he loathed her. If Morrigan does end up becoming Mythal, I wonder how that relationship would change. And if she doesn't end up becoming Mythal, she could be an interesting opponent for Solas.

[RedMagister]

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Concerning the redemption in death.

Well, we solamancers got a total of 4 chances to break up/end romance with him in game+trespasser, first after fade scene, second in the balcony, third one after temple of mythal. We are all warned by solas that it might not ended well, but we still insist .

Our lavellan could just have gave up and move to the sweet cullen romance, or to ride the bull, but they didn't. In trespasser, even knowing his identity and insane plan, lavellan still have faith in Solas. In some way, I would say lavellan is just as stubborn as her boyfriend. (and TOUGH, I myself would just choose the broken heart dialogue in trespasser.)

So...from a writer's perspective, I don't know, is that possible for PW to ever have a thought that, maybe the solamancers deserve something warmer and happier after the long long struggle?

I don't really oppose redemption in death for Solas though, it is cliche, but I think PW would make it a terribly beautiful and sad scene, just like the post-temple of mythal scene. However, why am I feeling that the more we talk about it, the more the people who are certain about it, the higher the possibility that Solas in DA4/5 would end up in an entirely opposite way? Bioware always love to surprise us

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warm cuddly sad ending? Hmm. perhaps he doesn't die alone and the two split into little wisps of themselves....

I realize it's not ideal to give him an easy loving sort of end. For solas (& us ultimately) to have resolution, he'd have to accept a great deal.

A quote by inq was "we need to start believing in this world" or something? A thing solas hasn't done, but questions, at least.

personally I'd like solas to learn it at his bitter end. With love. Ugh I'm not creative at all with this. How will they end solas- I wish i could see it. I can't see it!!

Another question!
I wonder if during his time, some elves had dealt with humans or dwraves, spent time with them, and stayed. If so, how were they treated? I mean, was there mix-race sort of things going on? Like half kids?

[drake2511]

Just finished 3 to 4 hours catching up to this thread.

 

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All this talk about Solas getting a redemption through death is getting me depressed. I sincerely hope this doesn't happen though. He story is just too sad already.

 

I just want Solas to live happy for once...

 

 

 

Out of likes.

 

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*sniff* I really, really love that he's holding her hand in this scene. Thank you for the flycam shot.

 

*hugs*

 

 

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Omg drake i was so sad cuz i was messing in Haven with armor from the dlc i was thinking if only we have gone with Solas will probably wear this

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 next to him and i was thinking this will be so awesome together against the world and after that the sadness hit me bad till i saw your screenshots so thank you for that it made me laugh   

 

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Glad I could help I love that armor omg >< And I thought the same thing, they'd make such a power couple with those armors Your lavellan is rocking it btw!

[ZhengAn]

I'm playing the base game again, the line 'When everything sang the same' by cole can't stop dancing in my head, especially when Solas appears in his apostate hobo style, chuckles and acts nerdy.

[Mims]

I can guarantee if my Lavellan ever dies due to Solas's actions, she will 100% become a spooky ghost and haunt forever. 

 

Edit: Oh wow, I am responding to a page pages back. Help, I am not awake yet. 

 

On Morrigan-

 

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Morrigan definitely wants the veil gone, but she'd never allow anything that could put her son in danger. That means both a clumsy merger of the two worlds, and the rise of an immortal society that could prevent him from reaching his potential.

[Abelis]

The problem, and I'm not going to tag this because it's not really a spoiler, but the problem with giving characters too much room to RP is it could severely hinder future games.

The thing is, we have to get from A to B, using a ton of different paths and choices to get there. But at the end we still have to be at B.

The paths we take to get there are varied and we may have minor changes in world state, but everyone gets the same general ending because all end choices have to eventually lead to the same future in DA4.

Does this make sense?

Of course it does make sense and its true, game designing wise. You can only have such world changing results only in the last installment of the series as a final epilogue.

 

although:

 

deciding the fate of a character, if designed properly early start on, can be nicely integrated. Consider Logain, Alistair, Warden in DAO and who lives/kills the Archdeamon. There is a great deal of rp in that, and it can still not affect the next game radically. its a self contained story used more like past history of your world/game as player.

[Illyria]

The problem, and I'm not going to tag this because it's not really a spoiler, but the problem with giving characters too much room to RP is it could severely hinder future games.

The thing is, we have to get from A to B, using a ton of different paths and choices to get there. But at the end we still have to be at B.

The paths we take to get there are varied and we may have minor changes in world state, but everyone gets the same general ending because all end choices have to eventually lead to the same future in DA4.

Does this make sense?

 

This makes perfect sense.  In a perfect gaming world we wouldn't need computers or consoles at all and would project ourselves into the game and it would adapt and change with us Bioware wouldn't have a writing budget or time limits on production and could produce and amazing game A with branching choices that lead into game B which accounts for every single choice made, with new dialogue, settings and quests dependent on what choices you made.  But they can't do that.  DAO had too many choices, and ultimately a lot of them had to be retconned.  DA2 railroaded us horribly.  DAI is the first DA game to try and get that balance between player choice and making a stable world to import into the next game.

 

Trespasser bits:

 

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Which is why we couldn't follow Solas in his plans, but we were given two very different but also similar methods of dealing with him.  It's also why the Circle is always back regardless of who was made Divine (and I've seen people complain that this means their choices don't matter and BW is just hating on mages but honestly - as a pro mage player - I felt they handled it in the best way they could.  Vivienne's actions, if you went mage alliance, are not shown to be a good thing in any of the Divine endings).