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[AutumnOracle]

I'm going to share the Team optimism that my husband shared with me and I'm hoping that Bioware honors it. I'm about ten pages behind so this might have been covered.

 

Spoiler

Mordin wasn't a romanceable character.  Solas is.  This alone changes the parameters of how they can treat the two characters.  The fan response for Solas has been enough that the likelyhood is there won't be a single way to redeem him and death doesn't have to be an option.

 

And really my thoughts....

Spoiler

If an inkling of what the lore is hinting at is true this would be the worst ending I could think of to give Solas.

1. He's taken from the fade at least partially against his will.
2. He himself was a slave to Mythal.
3. When he stopped being a slave he worked on freeing slaves.  I think this was possibly at Mythal's request because of how the other God's were acting.
4. If that's true even though he is no longer 'serving' Mythal he is still serving Mythal.  
5. Mythal dies and while there is a revenge aspect he also has to sever their power base so at huge personal cost to himself he creates the veil.  
6. After spending possibly 1000 years in a dream state - which can't be awesome
7. He wakes up to a world that is so radically changed that he doesn't recognize it.  
8. He starts punishing himself for doing what he did - even if it was for the service of his people/Mythal.
9. He keeps punishing himself even though for the first time in his life he has found happiness with a friend or lover.
10. He spends two more years punishing himself for what he did all the while trying to figure out how to fix it.  (In the worst way possible)
11. Should he manage to accomplish a fraction of it he will continue to punish himself.

What that poetically says to me is that he's had the short end of the stick his entire life and if Bioware only gives us an honor death option for him it tells me that the only way to redeem oneself is to die. And that their is no other way to turn your life around, if you've had crap cards dealt that's all you'll get in life.

 

And I just can't see them saying that.  I just can't.  My optimism refuses to see it!

[CapricornSun]

Bioware can fite me IRL.
 

 

Out of likes again.

[Shari'El]

EDIT: Top of the page! Have some beautiful screenshots of Solas from Trespasser (spoiler?). I love his eyes here.

 

Source: http://solas-manceri...-more-dangerous

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People who think he is ugly are insane :<

 

 

[Illyria]

I'm going to share the Team optimism that my husband shared with me and I'm hoping that Bioware honors it. I'm about ten pages behind so this might have been covered.

 

Spoiler

Mordin wasn't a romanceable character.  Solas is.  This alone changes the parameters of how they can treat the two characters.  The fan response for Solas has been enough that the likelyhood is there won't be a single way to redeem him and death doesn't have to be an option.

 

 

One word:

 

Thane.

[Eurowande]

Spoiler

if Solas is going to die i prefer my Lavellan dying with him, it will be kinder in the long run.... i cant imagine her living without Solas. She already lost everything , she lost her clan, with her bare face she can not go to the other dailish and im not even sure she will be willing to do it after everything. She was betrayed by the ppl she helped saved . She dont have place at the dailish world anymore, nor she have place at the ' modern world' either, if she loose Solas too all thats gonna be left for her is despair. Death with him will be mercy .

 

I blame you guys for this thoughts i need some optimism badly 

[Ven'inan]

One word:

 

Thane.

 

 

The feels. ;w;

[Abelas Forever!]

One word:

 

Thane.

Jacob.

[S.W.]

Bioware can fite me IRL.
 

 

would definitely bet on you against Bioware IRL.

[Illyria]

The feels. ;w;

 

I'm not even a Thanemancer (Liara ) but I feel angry about that.  It's why I'm not expecting Solas being an LI to change any story BW have planned for him.
 

[CapricornSun]

People who think he is ugly are insane :<

 

 

 

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Indeed! He is just so.... beautiful.     

 

Spoiler

if Solas is going to die i prefer my Lavellan dying with him, it will be kinder in the long run.... i cant imagine her living without Solas. She already lost everything , she lost her clan, with her bare face she can not go to the other dailish and im not even sure she will be willing to do it after everything. She was betrayed by the ppl she helped saved . She dont have place at the dailish world anymore, nor she have place at the ' modern world' either, if she loose Solas too all thats gonna be left for her is despair. Death with him will be mercy .

 

I blame you guys for this thoughts i need some optimism badly 

 

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I've shared this with the thread before but I just thought I'd mention again that I, too, would also prefer to have the option of my Lavellan dying with him if Solas' story only ended in death.

 

Mainly for the drama and the whole "together in death" thing. (And because I'm a horrible masochist. )

[AutumnOracle]

One word:

 

Thane.

 

Mordin is not = to Solas

 

I didn't play Mass Effect but hubby is saying that he(Thane) had a genetic disease so it was pre-written that he would have to die.  Also his atonements are not on the same scale as Solas.

 

I think bottom line is Mass Effect is not = to Dragon Age.  We might see some similar writing styles/themes but they won't give us the same game.  

 

Edited for clarification.

[Abelas Forever!]

Luckily DA is different series than ME and it seems that

 

Spoiler

We are going to try to change Solas' mind in next DA game if there will be another DA game. I think there are a lot of hope for a happier ending for the romance. I think it still be bittersweet but in a good way.

[drosophila]

 

Spoiler

Death as redemption doesn't really hold when the death isn't for the greater good, or in order to truly fix your mistakes, Mordin died in order to cure the genophage, if Solas just dies because he is killed for his plans (since I can't for the life of me think of another scenario, his idea of "fixing" is having the world die after all) it's not redemption, it's just defeating the antagonist. Who knows, perhaps for him bringing down the veil would serve as his "death as redemption" (in case he dies in the process) but it won't for the players and that's what matters.

If he brings down the veil safely, restoring power to all and prepare the world for a change, then maybe if he dies for that cause it's redeeming.

Sacrificing his life to save one person for example isn't redeeming, he's done too much damage (especially since I can't see that happening since his goals are too big to sacrifice himself for one person).

 

Also: he isn't a bad person, from his perspective he ruined the world, but going with his plan will.. make him questionable, only then I'll feel the great need for some big redemption cutscene or whatever.

 

Spoiler

I don't think he's a bad person at all. I love Solas. To me, he needs redemption because of his actions, not his personality. To generalize a bit, with the exception of complete sociopaths, who are maybe 0.01% of the population, we are all good people. For most of us there's some completely understandable motivation even behind the most deplorable actions, that or people just make mistakes sometimes. Still, murder and destruction on such a large scale requires some form of redemption. "I'm sorry." is not enough. Even if he had to make desperate choices, he should have been fully prepared to face the consequences. To some extent, I think he is, he does say he should be the one to pay the price.

[Shari'El]

One word:

 

Thane.

 

Thane was dying, and we knew that before the romance, he spoke of months at the time...

I think they also admitted it being a mess up? I don't remember but Thane himself said that he was about to die...

It's different :<

[S.W.]

One word:

 

Thane.

Jacob.

 

I think the ME devs admitted they forgot about some of the romance options when they resolved their arcs. I doubt they'll do the same in the case of Solas, because he's such a prominent and complicated character, who has been quite divisive, so I think they'll likely try extra hard to ensure everyone's satisfied with how his character arc ends.

 

Also, the DA writing team isn't the ME writing team, exception being Weekes.

[Shari'El]

Spoiler

if Solas is going to die i prefer my Lavellan dying with him, it will be kinder in the long run.... i cant imagine her living without Solas. She already lost everything , she lost her clan, with her bare face she can not go to the other dailish and im not even sure she will be willing to do it after everything. She was betrayed by the ppl she helped saved . She dont have place at the dailish world anymore, nor she have place at the ' modern world' either, if she loose Solas too all thats gonna be left for her is despair. Death with him will be mercy .

 

I blame you guys for this thoughts i need some optimism badly 

 

[Shari'El]

Jacob.

 

Vhenan?

Look at this

Like sneaking to the Inquisitor's quarters...

Heavy risk..

But the prizeeeeeeeee

 

Edit:

 

-dies-

[Illyria]

About Thane: I was using him as an example of the terrible way LIs - popular LIs - have been treated by the games in the past.  I know the ME team is different, and that the DA team has a better record with how they treat the LIs but it still worries me.

[Abelas Forever!]

Vhenan?

Look at this

Like sneaking to the Inquisitor's quarters...

Heavy risk..

But the prizeeeeeeeee

NO!!!

 

[AutumnOracle]

Also I really feel like this:

 

Spoiler

Again not having played ME so in the comparison I can't really stand.  Solas is obviously resigned to death, possibly feels he deserves it.

 

As an antagonist that makes him scary.  Luckily the DA team made it REALLY hard to not be friends with him.  He liked ALMOST everything you did...ask a question get approval.  Touch some veil artifacts get approval.  Help people get approval. You had to try to not be friends with him.

 

As a friend/lover giving the character what he wants/expects seems too easy.  No real growth of the character that way.

[Illyria]

Vhenan?

Look at this

Like sneaking to the Inquisitor's quarters...

Heavy risk..

But the prizeeeeeeeee

 

Siding with the Sentinels at the Temple of Mythal.

 

Heavy risk.

 

But the thiiiiiiiighs.

[Shari'El]

Siding with the Sentinels at the Temple of Mythal.

 

Heavy risk.

 

But the thiiiiiiiighs.

 

   

[Alyka]

So these were my first thoughts when I woke up this morning (I clearly have issues...).

 

Spoiler

When Solas chuckled while talking about the evanuris killing Mythal and how an eternity of torment is a fitting punishment, it really drew my attention. It stood out compared to his general tone and manner in the entire conversation.

 

In Dalish legends, the Dread Wolf laughed madly with glee for centuries after locking away the Creators in the Beyond. 

 

I just thought it was interesting. 

Spoiler

Solas says "You met Mythal, did you not? The first of my people do not die so easily."
I think he was chuckling at the absurdity of killing an immortal being. It would be like trying to shoot a vampire to death.

[S.W.]

People who think he is ugly are insane :<

 

 

 

Before this DLC, I was kind of 'eh' about whether he was physically attractive/unattractive - I didn't particularly care or notice.

 

Since seeing him in his swish new gear, I've done complete 180 on my original stance.

 

He's hot. So damn hot. Solas is actually gorgeous and I will fite anyone who says otherwise.

[Ven'inan]

I'm not even a Thanemancer (Liara ) but I feel angry about that.  It's why I'm not expecting Solas being an LI to change any story BW have planned for him.
 

 

 

I'm a big Thanemancer (hence why I can withstand the heart-ache that is Solavellan as well) but it did make me feel angry. The Citadel dlc that came sometime after redeemed them somewhat, but I still didn't like how they chose to end it without giving any options for it to turn out a different way. I'll remain hopeful and optimistic for Solas romance, but I won't be surprised if they'll end it on a similar note to other romances they have done in other games.