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[The Lone Shadow]

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I definitely liked how Trespasser didn't pull its punches. This fandom keeps yelling about how much it wants consequence for choices, and Trespasser IMO delivered.

 

Cullen's struggled with lyrium addiction and mental instability for as long as we've known him.  What did you think would happen if you made him take the stuff indefinitely?  Bull went back to be re-educated.  Again, what did you think would happen?  It might be a gut punch for the players who did it, and I feel for their feels.  But it's not bad things for the sake of bad things; it's a logical consequence of the choices they made.

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Agreed. I wish I had favs to give to you. I'm now wondering what will be the consequence of putting Briala on the throne with Gaspard and then disband the Inquisition? The only thing that is keeping Briala in power is the Inquisition's backing and the eluvians. Now she has neither. It looks really bad for her. The only thing I can think of that would make it better is that Briala joined Solas before Gaspard took her head off, abandoning a sinking ship before it explodes. Also, Gaspard will probably start invading Ferelden now that there isn't an outside force to intervene. Sure you can have a peace deal between the two, but that was arranged by the Inquisition and is probably only valid so long as the Inquisition existed. Which is funny, since wasn't it the reason the Ferelden crown wanted the Inquisition to disband was because they were afraid of it being used against them by the Orlesians? Now the Orlesians will invade anyway, but with their own men. Sorry Alister, you are on your own. Have fun with the Orlesian invasion.

[Sable Rhapsody]

After RPing a Shepard with Earthborn and Sole Survivor backgrounds, someone with heavy trust issues and a lot of associated pain, I was not doing that again.

 

Yeah, Earthborn/SS Shep is a hot mess.  Mine worked it out eventually, but it took a long time and a lot of Garrus headbutts

[Jayla]

Okay, so I've ran through the DLC 3 times, and only now am I noticing a bug. I won't spoiler it since it's not Trespasser spoilers, but essentially it's treating the game as if I put Gaspard on the throne, but I definitely reconciled Celene and Briala. When it's mentioned, they talk about Gaspard, and the Emperor. Wat.

 

Anyone else had something like that?

Edit to keep it on topic: I know it's overly done, but I love the idea of my protags. having little-to-no family to speak of, it speaks to my IRL situation, and I love how they always emphasize you can find family in your friends.

[Cee]

Okay, so I've ran through the DLC 3 times, and only now am I noticing a bug. I won't spoiler it since it's not Trespasser spoilers, but essentially it's treating the game as if I put Gaspard on the throne, but I definitely reconciled Celene and Briala. When it's mentioned, they talk about Gaspard, and the Emperor. Wat.

 

Anyone else had something like that?

 

Yep, it's a very common bug. I didn't have it, mine registered Celene alone (which is what is saved but not what I wanted to do, but it read my save right).

[S.W.]

I gave my quizzy a relatively loving and supportive family because the girl has enough angst in-game without me adding to it, and enough people who probably think she's crazy for trying to save Solas.

 

Also I'm a bit tired of my poor PCs having nonexistent or terrible families.  I can be a hero and have normal parents, damnit!

 

This is why I liked DA:O's City Elf origin - you were obviously part of a community, and were close to your dad and cousins. All of my city elves have been fiercely protective of their family for that reason. It's really nice to see healthy, good family relationships in fiction.

 

I also quite like 'grey' relationships with family. You can have a trying relationship with your parents or your siblings or your extended family without it being completely dysfunctional (I'm speaking, I suppose, a bit from experience here). And it's nice to see instances where difficult relationships become slightly less difficult - people find common ground, grow closer, realise what's truly important. I hope that if Lavellen does trust her mum enough to tell her that, yes, she screwed up, she fell for the Dread Wolf, and she's completely heartbroken, that her mum will surprise her by hugging her and telling her it's ok and showing real sympathy.

 

That said, I think unspeakably bad relationships can sometimes work if done in a different manner. My Surana came from a family of strongly religious elves, who had escaped Tevinter to become travelling traders in the south - when she showed her first sign of magic at the age of nine, her mother called her a maleficar and she was abandoned by her family in the wilderness. She deals with it by a) not mentioning it ever, and if someone mentions it, act as nonchalantly as possible. If she acts like it didn't happen or affect her, then maybe it didn't. There are too many sad life stories in the world, she thinks, no need to add another. Very similar to Zevran in that respect.

[MayriyaNoori]

Mmmm.....I think I have an idea for my Lavellan.....and her clan problem.....maybe....

 

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On this trip with Cillian out to the Arcane Warrior shrine he could be all like "Hey, we should be crossing into the area my clan visits this time of year. Why don't we visit them? It could be fun for you since you haven't really been around your People in like 4-5 years." and Lavellan is all "Okay."

 

I then realized that Cillian is from clan Ralaferin. Same clan as that Gisharel guy who wrote all that stuff about the Evanuris. Stuff that is wrong.

 

Meeting that clan would be very, very interesting.

 

I don't know if this is the clan for her. Maybe.

 

[Jayla]

Yep, it's a very common bug. I didn't have it, mine registered Celene alone (which is what is saved but not what I wanted to do, but it read my save right).

 

Can't like, but here's a heart . I'm not too bothered about it since I suspect any future games will utilize the Keep rather than imports, and the right choice is selected there. That's fine enough for me.

[S.W.]

After RPing a Shepard with Earthborn and Sole Survivor backgrounds, someone with heavy trust issues and a lot of associated pain, I was not doing that again.

 

So she has her parents and is the eldest of three. By Trespasser's end she's about 33. Her sister is 25, and little surprise brother is nearly 17. She also has a super close relationship with her longtime friend and onetime first love and her wife. So I definitely gave my Lavellan cushions to fall on.

 

My Shepard's actually probably the most happiest out of my PCs family-wise!

 

Spacer + War Hero, she's v. close to her family, v. proud to be part of the Alliance, and her parents are super proud of her in turn. All good, no drama.

 

In comparison, most of my DA PCs come from crappy backgrounds. My Brosca loathed literally everything about Orzammar, the only person she liked betrayed her (WHY LESKE WHY); my city elves have had obviously crap lives (see: origin plot); my mage was abandoned by her family. Most of Hawke's family died. And then we have Lavellen... :\

 

At least my Adaar has a really sweet and healthy relationship with his 'rents. They think it's hilarious that he's fallen for a Tevinter mage.

[Sable Rhapsody]

This is why I liked DA:O's City Elf origin - you were obviously part of a community, and were close to your dad and cousins. All of my city elves have been fiercely protective of their family for that reason. It's really nice to see healthy, good family relationships in fiction.

 

I also quite like 'grey' relationships with family. You can have a trying relationship with your parents or your siblings or your extended family without it being completely dysfunctional (I'm speaking, I suppose, a bit from experience here). And it's nice to see instances where difficult relationships become slightly less difficult - people find common ground, grow closer, realise what's truly important. I hope that if Lavellen does trust her mum enough to tell her that, yes, she screwed up, she fell for the Dread Wolf, and she's completely heartbroken, that her mum will surprise her by hugging her and telling her it's ok and showing real sympathy.

 

That said, I think unspeakably bad relationships can sometimes work if done in a different manner. My Surana came from a family of strongly religious elves, who had escaped Tevinter to become travelling traders in the south - when she showed her first sign of magic at the age of nine, her mother called her a maleficar and she was abandoned by her family in the wilderness. She deals with it by a) not mentioning it ever, and if someone mentions it, act as nonchalantly as possible. If she acts like it didn't happen or affect her, then maybe it didn't. There are too many sad life stories in the world, she thinks, no need to add another. Very similar to Zevran in that respect.

 

Yeah, I liked the complexity of Hawke's family dynamics in DA2.  From what we see of Malcolm and Leandra, they're loving parents who care deeply about their children, but they're not always the best parents.  That really helped humanize the whole Hawke familiy to me.  They love each other, but they can be very flawed and dysfunctional, and that made me really feel for them.

 

Also I'm an only child IRL, so getting to explore the sibling dynamic from two angles (friendship Bethany and rivalry Carver) was really awesome.

 

 

At least my Adaar has a really sweet and healthy relationship with his 'rents. They think it's hilarious that he's fallen for a Tevinter mage.

 

Dorian/Adaar so much.  My Adaar's mother is a former tamassran who fled with him when she realized he had magic.  She 100% approves of Dorian, since she and Dorian are the only two people in Thedas who can get my very boisterous Adaar to behave

[CapricornSun]

My Shepard's actually probably the most happiest out of my PCs family-wise!

Spacer + War Hero, she's v. close to her family, v. proud to be part of the Alliance, and her parents are super proud of her in turn. All good, no drama.

In comparison, most of my DA PCs come from crappy backgrounds. My Brosca loathed literally everything about Orzammar, the only person she liked betrayed her (WHY LESKE WHY); my city elves have had obviously crap lives (see: origin plot); my mage was abandoned by her family. Most of Hawke's family died. And then we have Lavellen... :\

At least my Adaar has a really sweet and healthy relationship with his 'rents. They think it's hilarious that he's fallen for a Tevinter mage.

Hmm, regarding my other PCs' families...

My Shepard is Earthborn + War Hero so if I remember the ME background correctly, Earthborn Shepard had no family and ran with a gang back in the day. xD

As for DA PCs (my canon ones anyway), according to Ashalle, my Mahariel's father (who was the former Keeper before Marethari) was slain and her mother abandoned Mahariel in grief over his death and never returned. Plus, the whole Tamlen thing.

My Hawke only has Carver, Uncle Gamlen, and Charade left.

So my Lavellan, I actually headcanon she was pretty happy with her family. She has her jolly father, her kicka$$ hunter mother, her twin brother, and a cousin (who I headcanon as the clan's Second) whom she's very close with. Not to mention she also has her group of friends. I imagine it would be hard for her to leave them again after she visits them in Wycome.

[The Lone Shadow]

Haha, I love your quizzy's dad.

 

My Lavellen, being a mage, is a little cut off from most of her clan. Her dad - a hunter - died several years ago in a gruesome fight, so she's really protective of her mother. So Lavellen's only close relationship, asides from the keeper, is with her mother, the clan storyteller - she's a sweet thing, romantic, known for gentle, wouldn't hurt a fly, although I think Lavellen feels she lives a little bit too much in the clouds, and perhaps never got over her dad's death. Her mother also has a very personal + deep relationship with dalish history and spirituality - it's the one guiding light in her life, I think, that she believes will never leave her.

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She does not take any news about what's happened to Lavellen well. She's annoyed that her daughter can't come back. She feels that her daughter's abandoned the gods. She freaks out when Lavellen has removed her vallaslin. She does not like the fact that after spending years of spurning advances by other dalish elves, that she chosen now to fall for a non-dalish apostate.

 

As you can imagine, they argue all the time. About everything.

 

I'm not even sure if Lavellen can tell her anything about Fen'Harel or the Dread Wolf. I suppose she has to, in case anyone in the clan decides to run off and join him. I think her mother's heart would break if she found out.

 

I suppose my Lavellen should be glad that her clan survived, and that her keeper has a smart head on her - still, she's honestly dreading telling them the news.

 

Ooh, family drama. My Lavellan has either both her parents, or her mother died from disease. Her dad was brought into the clan after fleeing an incident at one of Free Marches alienages and since the last craft master's apprentice died in scrimmage with some humans he filled in the role, eventually becoming the new craft master. He was respectful enough towards the dalish traditions and allowed himself to be branded, but he never took it to seriously. But he liked the old mythology and would tell Lavellan a more fleshed out version of the old tells, giving the Creators more personality and making them more like regular people. All the Creators had their faults, but they all cared about doing what was best for the people, well except for the Dread Wolf. He actually has his own unique take on the Dread Wolf's betrayal, believe that it wasn't so much out of pure malevolent trickery that motivated him, but instead he did it out of annoyance. He believed that the Dread Wolf was tired of being dragged into their wars and made a plan to stop it once and for all. He doesn't really depict the Dread Wolf as being pure evil, but instead characterized as being an apathetic butt rather then being out right malevolent. His stories fueled her devotion towards the Creators, though she was more devoted to her own interpretation of them. As for her mom, she is kinda like an elf version of Cassandra but a little less devout, which is why they got along.

[MayriyaNoori]

I just saw this....

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And now that it is post-Trespasser....I can't stop laughing at this.....these type of things have new level of funny in them.

 

I have tears in my eyes.

 

I'm pretty sure it is from here.

 

[roselavellan]

Phew! I *think* I've caught up!

 

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Random thought. You know what would be interesting to see gameplay-wise in the next game? If Solas' trjectory mirrored what the player think of Solas. To all those players who hate him and want to murder-knife him and so do and say things that reflect their world view, the game (and Solas) react by having him going farther and farther off the deep end, mirroting that fact. To those players, the Dread Wolf WILL become the monster they've constructed in their minds. On the other hand, players who still believe he can be redeemed and do and say things to that effect in game get to see that what they are doing is actually working. All that to lead to his eventual redemption. A bit like how the way we interracted with Leliana made her soft or hard, but on a game-wide scale.

 

Heck, I'm not even sure how that could work. Different decision trees where some decisions appear or disappear depending of previous dialogues and decision? Hidden approval (or redemption) meter? I think it could be extremely interesting and make a real change on world state while all ending up at the same place (Solas is stopped, one way or the other)

 

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I personally like the idea of Solas remaining a grey character, but I think the intricacies of his position and morality are lost on the Solas-haters.

 

Doesn't the DLC already start down that path? I remember reading somewhere that if you are on low approval with Solas, you do not have the option for the redemption path? If they choose to go in that direction, though, I can imagine the Solas/Dread Wolf story will probably involve a lot of work.

 

 

Lets be honest, if this romance had a cliche Disney happy ending, would it be nearly as memorable?

 

 

Lol, I almost picture Weekes weeping bitter, bitter tears over his desk if asked to write a cliched Disney ending

 

I want a happy ending, myself, but like others have said, more like the sweet side of bittersweet. After all Solas has been through, and Lavellan too, I would love to see them with the hope of contentment in some capacity.

 

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- I hope Weekes and the DA team won't fully and exclusively go on the "redemption in death" path for Solas. It's an overused trope, it's boring, it's easy, it's been done countless of times, it conveys a mindset that I do not align with, and Solas deserves better than to be stuck in that role so many characters have played before him. So far, the DA saga wasn't one who would easily lean on overused stereotypes to tell their stories and to give their plotlines resolution. I hope the story of Solas wouldn't be the first to disappoint me in that area.

 

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I've already liked this post many pages back, but I like it so much I thought I'd quote it

 

I agree that Solas, as DA's most nuanced character, deserves much better than to be treated as a simple villain.

 

And if Bioware decide his story must end, then I hope Lavellan is able to go with him. To be honest, I don't see our Inquisitor's story as outliving his; he is after all the Dread Wolf.

[almasy87]

hahaha, he has these expressions once in a while another one is when he gives you Skyhold. Quizzy moves forward and he stays in the back with that smug face.

[Shari'El]

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Cole talks about the Titans "not remembering how to wake up". After the initial flood of arcane energy from shutting down the Veil, you're going to have a multitude of angry Titans who can reshape the world at a whim.

It could be that Solas has some means of controlling the Titans or an alliance with them to reform the world back to how it was during the time of Arlathan. Geological upheaval of that scale would probably kill most of the indigenous population.

Or maybe this isn't the first time Solas attempted this grand plan of his? This is just his latest attempt to fix his mistake?

 

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Kind of wonder if Solas thought it through, I don't think the elves had any means of controlling the Titans, otherwise they wouldn't have warred with them. Earth shattering quakes will be the doom of everybody, including the elves. Maybe he has an alliance though, it is plausible.

[Cee]

hahaha, he has these expressions once in a while another one is when he gives you Skyhold. Quizzy moves forward and he stays in the back with that smug face.

 

 

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"For what it's worth, thanks for the castle."

 

[_Lucinia]

I just saw this....

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And now that it is post-Trespasser....I can't stop laughing at this.....these type of things have new level of funny in them.

 

I have tears in my eyes.

 

I'm pretty sure it is from here.

 

Looked through their posts and found this one.  Oh man I am laughing so hard.

 

http://bubonickitten...ole-inquisition

[Eurowande]

i ignore the last 4-5 pages i tried to read them , but ... what happen here i came for optimism and all i got was sadness i just couldn't read through all of it . Im pretty drunk ( blame my best friend) i hoped ill feel better but NOOO , i feel even worst damn Solas

[Miss This or That]

After RPing a Shepard with Earthborn and Sole Survivor backgrounds, someone with heavy trust issues and a lot of associated pain, I was not doing that again.

 

So she has her parents and is the eldest of three. By Trespasser's end she's about 33. Her sister is 25, and little surprise brother is nearly 17. She also has a super close relationship with her longtime friend and onetime first love and her wife. So I definitely gave my Lavellan cushions to fall on.

 

Mine has a very supportive father who is the keeper of another clan. Her mother died a few years ago, but had a very powerful impact on her life - she had also been first to the keeper. Both showed magical talents early and Lenalas was supposed to follow in her parents footsteps. That didn't work out with her not having magical talents, but she still knows a lot about magic. She was very distant from most people of her clan, but she soon became the leader of her clan's hunters after proving her ruthless warrior side - and thus made her daddy, aunt and her cousins very proud. She does not have any siblings, though. But she's got the support of two clans on her side, so she isn't alone. 

 

I like to imagine that her father completely loses it once he learns that his very own daughter has a love-hate relationship with the Dread Wolf...but given his nerdy attitude, he'd probably just want to know a ton of stuff about him. He's probably as much of a magic nerd as Solas is.

 

"Can you describe his voice? What does he look like? Do you think he could give me some tips about magic? Woah, what was Arlathan like? Does he smell good? Do you know how to contact him?"

 

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"Father, he is trying to destroy the world."

 

"We can worry about that later. First I'd like to know what kinds of frilly cakes he likes best! We MUST settle this debate between sweet and fruity once and for all!"

 

"Oh hell no, I fell in love with the thousand year old version of my father...and you know that fruity ALWAYS wins."

 

"Hey, your mother loved the hobo keeper and she only made sure that her daughter had the same good taste in men."

 

"I'd like to remind you that he got rid of my arm and wants to doom us all."

 

"And yet you love him."

 

She's definitely not alone and in good hands. She's going to get through this.

[The Lone Shadow]

I gave my quizzy a relatively loving and supportive family because the girl has enough angst in-game without me adding to it, and enough people who probably think she's crazy for trying to save Solas.

 

Also I'm a bit tired of my poor PCs having nonexistent or terrible families.  I can be a hero and have normal parents, damnit!

 

You can have them for a half-hour, like the human warden's parents, but then they die in some horrific fashion that leaves your character traumatized. Also, like the human warden.

[roselavellan]

Can I just ask one of the Seramancers here, how do you reconcile yourself with her anti-elf attitudes? I want a fluffy, happy ending for just a brief change, and I know that Sera's is one of them. However I'm still a little put off by what she said after the Temple of Mythal... I recall she was rather rude about the Dalish having gotten it wrong. Is she gentler if you have high approval with her?

[Cee]

Yeah, I liked the complexity of Hawke's family dynamics in DA2.  From what we see of Malcolm and Leandra, they're loving parents who care deeply about their children, but they're not always the best parents.  That really helped humanize the whole Hawke familiy to me.  They love each other, but they can be very flawed and dysfunctional, and that made me really feel for them.

 

Also I'm an only child IRL, so getting to explore the sibling dynamic from two angles (friendship Bethany and rivalry Carver) was really awesome.

 

I have a sister from my dad's second marriage but she's a child, so I don't have life sibling dynamics, so it has always been books, TV, films, and real peoplw who inform this stuff for me. I haven't played DA2 with Carver yet, but I do love Bethany. I almost feel like playing with Carver would be like Fenris 2.0 in terms of rival rival rival ease. But I'd like to do it someday. My current replay has Bethany again.

[Oswin]

Looked through their posts and found this one.  Oh man I am laughing so hard.

 

http://bubonickitten...ole-inquisition

 

I took Blackwall, Sera and Varric with my Solasmancing Lavellan through Trespasser and it was great   I got so much more chat with them then I did my Dorian/Cass/Cole mix and it was pretty fun stuff as well. 

 

Also, Varric summed up the Solas revelation just perfectly with: "Damn it, Chuckles"

 

Saying what we were all thinking.

[Cee]

Can I just ask one of the Seramancers here, how do you reconcile yourself with her anti-elf attitudes? I want a fluffy, happy ending for just a brief change, and I know that Sera's is one of them. However I'm still a little put off by what she said after the Temple of Mythal... I recall she was rather rude about the Dalish having gotten it wrong. Is she gentler if you have high approval with her?

 

No, romancing Sera as an elf is very difficult and you have to really be flippant about your culture. So I decided not to. She's getting my human mage.

 

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It was cute to see her reaction to the Viddasala though.

 

 

Romancing her with an Adaar would give max approval and be the easiest, but up to you. You can also flirt with Harding while she's around for approval.