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[RogueBait]

Oh hey guys what's up? So I *just* finished the Trespasser DLC.

 

(REACTIONS AND SPOILERS BELOW THE CUT, BEEP BOOP, DANGER DANGER)

 

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So I've been painfully absent over the past months, but really, really had to come here right now, to the lovely place where people would understand. Current state:

 

Ugly crying.

 

Ugly crying at the TV, ugly crying against my somewhat confused but supportive husband (bless him), ugly crying into my struggling cat. Snot. There is snot.

 

 

I have so many feelings I don't even know what to do with myself. So I'll probably just go ahead and do the whole ****** thing again. Yeah why not. I've accepted that I'm basically a masochist.

 

The end result was kind of what I expected, and kind of simultaneously feared and a little bit hoped for maybe, slightly. That stupid, glorious, depressing, confused, powerful bastard. Fffffffff. Ggh. Frustration and sadness have layered atop each other within an incomprehensible cake of shite adorned with a teeny, tiny, almost-not-even-there cherry on top made of good-story-lovin' delight. Ugh. I'm gonna go to bed and stay there for a while. Can I call in sick to work over a videogame? Yeah probably.

 

Kudos on delivering the feels for Inquisition's conclusion and kicking off ample trepidation/excitement for the next installment, Bioware.

 

Oh, Solas.

 

[CapricornSun]

*snip*

 

Hahaha, that would be Solas' mentality. "You Dalish see me as savage just because I'm not like you." Oh Solas. What's funny is now I imagine my Lavellan is in the position of Pocahontas, especially after

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the events of Trespasser, where she tries to show him that this world is worth preserving, much like how Pocahontas shows John Smith that nature is worth preserving.

 

My Lavellan's version of the song:

 

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Lavellan: You think I'm an ignorant savage

And you've [seen so many wonders]
I guess it must be so
But still I cannot see
If the savage one is me
How can there be so much that you don't know?
You don't know ...

You think you own whatever land you land on
The[das] is just a dead thing you can [change]
But I know every rock and tree and creature
Has a life, has a spirit, [even without the Fade]

You think the only people who are people
Are the people who look and think like you
But if you walk the footsteps of a stranger
You'll learn things you never knew you never knew

[snipped because I don't know if this is applicable...]

Come run the hidden pine trails of the forest
Come taste the sunsweet berries of the Earth
Come roll in all the riches all around you
And for once, never wonder [if the Fade will increase their] worth

The rainstorm and the river are my brothers
The heron and the otter are my friends
And we are all connected to each other
In a circle, in a hoop that never ends

How high will the [people of Thedas] grow?
If you cut [us] down, then you'll never know
And you'll never hear the wolf cry to the blue corn moon

For whether we are [spirits, or flesh and skin]
We need to sing with all the voices of the mountains
We need to paint with all the colors of the wind

You can [turn Thedas to ash] and still
All you'll own is [ash]
You can paint... with all the colors... of the... wind

 

Had to quote this. Funny, someone on Tumblr actually made a fanart of Lavellan as Pocahontas and Solas as John Smith.

 

Source: http://cheesiestart....like-this-didnt

 

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[Sable Rhapsody]

Oh hey guys what's up? So I *just* finished the Trespasser DLC.

 

Hi!  I have my kitty hug all lined up and ready to go.

 

I finished it days ago, and I'm still a mess of feels.  A less stormy mess of feels, but I think there might be a teensy bit of lingering resentment at Solas if all the grumbling I did while playing Adaar is any indication

 

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Solas: *gives weird racist compliment balcony speech*

Adaar: WTF.  Dude, I appreciate the thought....I think.  But you do NOT know how to friend.

Me: *mutters angrily at screen*

[CapricornSun]

Oh hey guys what's up? So I *just* finished the Trespasser DLC.

 

(REACTIONS AND SPOILERS BELOW THE CUT, BEEP BOOP, DANGER DANGER)

 

Spoiler

So I've been painfully absent over the past months, but really, really had to come here right now, to the lovely place where people would understand. Current state:

 

Ugly crying.

 

Ugly crying at the TV, ugly crying against my somewhat confused but supportive husband (bless him), ugly crying into my struggling cat. Snot. There is snot.

 

 

I have so many feelings I don't even know what to do with myself. So I'll probably just go ahead and do the whole ****** thing again. Yeah why not. I've accepted that I'm basically a masochist.

 

The end result was kind of what I expected, and kind of simultaneously feared and a little bit hoped for maybe, slightly. That stupid, glorious, depressing, confused, powerful bastard. Fffffffff. Ggh. Frustration and sadness have layered atop each other within an incomprehensible cake of shite adorned with a teeny, tiny, almost-not-even-there cherry on top made of good-story-lovin' delight. Ugh. I'm gonna go to bed and stay there for a while. Can I call in sick to work over a videogame? Yeah probably.

 

Kudos on delivering the feels for Inquisition's conclusion and kicking off ample trepidation/excitement for the next installment, Bioware.

 

Oh, Solas.

 

 

 

Everything will be alright. A lot of us had the same reaction, pretty much. I still haven't really fully recovered from it either...

 

Also, out of likes (again.)

[RogueBait]

Hi!  I have my kitty hug all lined up and ready to go.

 

I finished it days ago, and I'm still a mess of feels.  A less stormy mess of feels, but I think there might be a teensy bit of lingering resentment at Solas if all the grumbling I did while playing Adaar is any indication

 

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Solas: *gives weird racist compliment balcony speech*

Adaar: WTF.  Dude, I appreciate the thought....I think.  But you do NOT know how to friend.

Me: *mutters angrily at screen*

 

So moments ago my cat crawled in front of my keyboard, climbed onto my shoulder and rubbed her face into mine repeatedly, as she is apt to do when she feels I need she needs it. I require all the kitty hugs I can get at this moment. Keep 'em comin'.

 

(SERIOUS TRESPASSER SPOILERS BELOW THE CUT, BEEP BOOP, DANGER DANGER)

 

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I imagine playing as Adaar adds an extra layer of interest, what with all the Qunari stuff. And somehow maybe the whole annihilation of Thedas... plan... is easier to swallow as a non-elf? I don't know. No, that's dumb. Solas is dumb. I still love him. (I feel the need to add this edit: I still love him **as a character**. His plan is atrocious, but it is riveting and tragic as a possibility that could occur in this fictional world.) ****'s sake, Solas. ****** ****'s sake.

[TheEggCrusher]

Had to quote this. Funny, someone on Tumblr actually made a fanart of Lavellan as Pocahontas and Solas as John Smith.

 

Source: http://cheesiestart....like-this-didnt

 

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Lavellan: "Can you paint with all the colors of the WWIINNDD?!??!" 

 

Solas: "Why are you dancing."

 

[RogueBait]

 

Everything will be alright. A lot of us had the same reaction, pretty much. I still haven't really fully recovered from it either...

 

Also, out of likes (again.)

 

Thanks Capricorn. I knew you lovelies would sympathize. And um.... excuse me while I just go ahead and make myself comfortable in your lap for a little while.

 

(Emotional reaction .gif below, very slightly spoilery?)

 

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[RynJ]

A future, hypothetical, RP type question for my lovely Solas folks:

 

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So we stop Solas' plan. The world doesn't go bye bye, and we get Solas to change his mind and back down without having to kill him. Everything is stable again (or as stable as Thedas ever gets, anyways).

 

Now what? How would your Inquisitor continue on with Solas, or would they at all? What do you think Solas would be like and how would they cope/not cope with it? Just curious as to how you'd see everything proceeding!

 

[Bayonet Hipshot]

The notion that Elves are innately spiritual or possessing some inherent supernatural qualities that have a great past is not new. What is new is Bioware's treatment of the trope where they turn it on its head.

 

Here's a description of Elves from D&D 5^th Edition

 

Elves are a magical people of otherworldly grace, living in the world but not entirely part of it. They live in places of ethereal beauty, in the midst of ancient forests or in silvery spires glittering with faerie light, where soft music drifts through the air and gentle fragrances waft on the breeze....Ancient divides among the elven people resulted in three main subraces: high elves, wood elves, and dark elves, who are commonly called drow.

 

Here's description of Mer from Elder Scrolls

 

The Aldmer (meaning "First Folk" or "Elder Folk") were the original Merethic Era proto-mer who settled Summerset Isle and most of mainland Tamriel. They are often said to have been the first technologically sophisticated inhabitants of Nirn, although some believe this distinction belongs to the Hist. The ancestors to the beast people, the Argonians and Khajiit, existed at the time in aboriginal, preliterate communities, and were easily displaced by the more advanced Aldmer. The Aldmer allegedly came from a lost city-continent called Aldmeris, but a number of sources, including the revered Elder Scrolls , claim that this is pure myth....As the Aldmer spread throughout Tamriel, they evolved away from one another, physically and culturally, into the various types of mer known today. Some remained in Summerset Isle and became the Altmer. The first emigrants to the mainland settled in Valenwood and became the Bosmer. Morrowind was colonized by both the Dwemer and later the Chimer (forerunners of the Dunmer). There were also the Ayelids of Cyrodiil, the Snow Elves of Skyrim, the Maormer of Pyadonea, and the Orcs or Orsimer, a group of Altmer who worshipped Trinimac and were transformed when he became Malacath. They then migrated to the province of High Rock and founded Orsinium. High Rock is also home to the Bretons, mixed-blood descendants of the native Nedes and (non-Orc) Aldmeri settlers.

 

 

The Elvhen of Thedas is a combination and some of the traditional tropes about Elves with Bioware's spin on it. Here's what I think of the Elvhen

 

The first of the Ancient Elvhen are most likely Spirits of the Fade that decided to evolve into something else, into something real. The Ancient Elvhen possessed an extremely advanced civilization, especially when it comes to magics. Their innate connection to the Fade made them immortal and capable of immense magical power. However, for reasons that are still unclear (we know it involves wars, Titans, Void, Forgotten Ones, murder, etc), the Elven civilization was destroyed by the creation of the Veil, which was initiated by Fen'Harel, alternatively known as Solas. Now a fragment of what they once were, the Elvhen in Thedas have branched of into three main groups - Ancient Elves, City Elves and Dalish Elves. There is also some suspicion that Qunari might be Elves who were part of a ritual involving blood magic and dragon blood in ancient time.

[Kulyok]

I've been re-watching the epilogue scenes, and suddenly something hit me:

 

In my main game Cassandra and Lavellan talked about rebuilding the Seekers, and Cassandra decided to do that. And then it hit me: the Seekers, they Seek, right! They're, like, ideal candidates for seeking! Seeking a certain someone, that is.

 

Especially since

 

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Trespasser epilogue states that Cassandra has gone to the mountains north of Orlais, which is not that far from the point where Lavellan sticks her dagger in the map. And the Inquisition's been disbanded in my game, so, yeah, they need people to search for Solas.

 

I've even went as far as thinking that the protagonist of DA4 might be a Seeker, but that won't happen, because another Chantry protagonist doesn't make much sense (especially a non-human). But it's an interesting line of thought, I decided.

[Janic99]

OMG THAT WOULD BE SO GREAT OH

 

*dies again*

 

Seriously, a video to any of these--especially "Friends on the Other Side," "A Whole New World" and "Can You Feel the Love Tonight" would be SO. PERFECT. 

 

 

Hahaha, that would be Solas' mentality. "You Dalish see me as savage just because I'm not like you." Oh Solas. What's funny is now I imagine my Lavellan is in the position of Pocahontas, especially after

Spoiler

the events of Trespasser, where she tries to show him that this world is worth preserving, much like how Pocahontas shows John Smith that nature is worth preserving.

 

My Lavellan's version of the song:

 

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Lavellan: You think I'm an ignorant savage

And you've [seen so many wonders]
I guess it must be so
But still I cannot see
If the savage one is me
How can there be so much that you don't know?
You don't know ...

You think you own whatever land you land on
The[das] is just a dead thing you can [change]
But I know every rock and tree and creature
Has a life, has a spirit, [even without the Fade]

You think the only people who are people
Are the people who look and think like you
But if you walk the footsteps of a stranger
You'll learn things you never knew you never knew

[snipped because I don't know if this is applicable...]

Come run the hidden pine trails of the forest
Come taste the sunsweet berries of the Earth
Come roll in all the riches all around you
And for once, never wonder [if the Fade will increase their] worth

The rainstorm and the river are my brothers
The heron and the otter are my friends
And we are all connected to each other
In a circle, in a hoop that never ends

How high will the [people of Thedas] grow?
If you cut [us] down, then you'll never know
And you'll never hear the wolf cry to the blue corn moon

For whether we are [spirits, or flesh and skin]
We need to sing with all the voices of the mountains
We need to paint with all the colors of the wind

You can [turn Thedas to ash] and still
All you'll own is [ash]
You can paint... with all the colors... of the... wind

 

I nearly choked on my drink laughing xD Especially during the pocahontas part as it refreshed my memory of the Solas and Lavellan in Colors of the Wind posted on here the other day.

 

Out of likes!!!!! but OH GOD!
I lost it at "Disaster's in the aaaaair" XDDDDDD

Thank you so much XD It did not take too much time to make it but I had so much fun. I thought to make this on the side but I am also planning on making these kind of funny ones later and yes I might do even some videos of full songs. First I think I am going to fulfill my other request and I TRY... I TRY to upload my gameplay videos XD 

[TheEggCrusher]

I can't guess Solas' reasons, but considering how much he loves the Fade and all connected to it, and ancient elven culture, society, magic, values, etc... I think those things are really important to him. It might not even be like "sexual orientation" (which I suspect is a gross oversimplification, if you don't mind my bluntness), just about valuing those traits, valuing them in another, and wanting to share your life with someone who shares and values and experiences it with you right back.

 

 

Um... huh? No offense, but in your last post you were upset about Solas not being into humans just because humans look physically similar to elves, which is itself based on looks rather than mind, spirit, or personality. "We're not super short and we don't have crazy horns or are twice his size. Humans are physically just like elves, just more curvy/robust, especially the females." 

 

Personally, it's very likely that I'm asexual because I experience little to no physical attraction or desire at all, and what few trace amounts I do quickly fade away. I'm panromantic though, so I'm capable of forming emotional and romantic attachments to people of any gender, gender identity, or even level of conventional "attractiveness." To me, love and attraction is on a purely intellectual, spiritual, and emotional level. So in that way, I can understand Solas being attracted only to those he feels he can connect with on a spiritual, emotional, and intellectual level.

 

 

I don't know. For all we know, he might be right.

 

When he talks about the Fade, he talks about being able to experience the thoughts and emotions of others as though he was there. He's witnessed countless battles from the perspectives of those who were there. Perhaps elven souls "feel" different from human or dwarf or qunari.

 

He also talks about a "collective consciousness," which might be related to those connected to the Fade being able to share and experience each other's thoughts and feelings. Like Cole, who's able to read the thoughts and emotions of those near him, like they're experiencing... a collective consciousness.

 

In fact, during Trespasser,

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when you use the mark to open a number of murals, it talks about how you're able to experience the events depicted in the mural as though you were there, can feel the emotions of those involved, and that you "feel" the words spoken rather than hearing them with your ears.

 

Perhaps Solas doesn't just "think" being elven affects the spirit directly; perhaps he knows from firsthand experience.

 

*shrug*

Sorry if I offended you in any way. When I said sexual orientation, I meant that it is just who he is, as in a part of him that is deeply ingrained into his being and changes who he is attracted to/has the ability to love romantically and/or sexually.

 

As for my comments about the physicality about humans, I was just being a butthurt human myself. Though I know it's wrong, it bothers me that if I was in Thedas he wouldn't even look at me twice, while I'd be basically drooling at his feet. I know it's wrong, but I still wish I was an elf. The part of the plan where I get into Thedas would be difficult however (lol wonder why). Anyways, my weird-a** fantasies aside ... 

 

My main point was that whatever makes him only able to love elves is probably something more deep than what is obvious. 

 

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What I'm curious about is if he sees elves as having more "real" spirits, as if they are less "tranquil" (as he put it in Trespasser) than the other races. That would be hella interesting, and is probably true to a certain extent, if not easily discernible by how the modern elves might seem.

[Cee]

A future, hypothetical, RP type question for my lovely Solas folks:

 

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So we stop Solas' plan. The world doesn't go bye bye, and we get Solas to change his mind and back down without having to kill him. Everything is stable again (or as stable as Thedas ever gets, anyways).

 

Now what? How would your Inquisitor continue on with Solas, or would they at all? What do you think Solas would be like and how would they cope/not cope with it? Just curious as to how you'd see everything proceeding!

 

 

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Considering I let my Hawke run off with her possessed mage lover who just killed a bunch of people...I believe there are ways.

 

But it would truly depend a lot. Not on her, but on his ability to cope and instead of sayig "you proved me wrong" to accept that and learn to improve the world as it is in modern Thedas, not remain stuck in the past resigned to something that might just screw everything up further.

 

History is history for reasons. Some of what we lose to wars, to strife, to history is unfortunate, and sad. But we can and do move forward. It's the nature of people in general - survival instinct.

 

I keep pointing to Varric's story about the man on the island but that really is a succinct example. Life can be really hard, but we can also build lives for ourselves out of our circumstances.

 

 If he can use what he has learned from his time with the Inquisition, a time in which it seems he was able to be as close to his real self as possible while still keeping his cover and agenda, and learning to respect others, expressing the compassion he does have within (even if he plans to use that compassion as a way to soothe people before what he thinks is the inevitable).

 

Solas needs to be hit with the magic feather duster of sense.

 

 

 

[Bayonet Hipshot]

Solas simply prefers female Elves. That's all there is to his sexuality.

 

It is the equivalent of Varric who prefers female Dwarves or more accurately, Bianca. It is equivalent of Morrigan and Cassandra, both of whom prefer men.

 

As for the reasons for Solas preferring female Elves, it might be that he finds females of other races sexually unappealing or sexually unattractive to him.

 

You have to remember that we are talking about a powerful Elven dreamer demigod mage who spent most of his live (& that's centuries) around Elves right up until a year before the Breach occurred.

 

Over-complicating matters is a pointless endeavor.

[TheEggCrusher]

Solas simply prefers female Elves. That's all there is to his sexuality.

 

It is the equivalent of Varric who prefers female Dwarves or more accurately, Bianca. It is equivalent of Morrigan and Cassandra, both of whom prefer men.

 

As for the reasons for Solas preferring female Elves, it might be that he finds females of other races sexually unappealing or sexually unattractive to him.

 

You have to remember that we are talking about a powerful Elven dreamer demigod mage who spent most of his live (& that's centuries) around Elves right up until a year before the Breach occurred.

 

Over-complicating matters is a pointless endeavor.

Just trying to see things from all angles and not offend anyone. 

 

SO UH .. yeah

 

[vierrae]

Okaay guys, I'm back after oh so many months of absence. Social life and it's tolls...

I have just finished my share of Trespasser. Thoughts:

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I was most definately not prepared for this overwhelmingly magnificent DLC, it was like "oh wow, it is really out, isn't it?". I got everything I was hoping for and more. The feels, they ooze out of me in buckets of salty tears. It hurts sooo good. And since I'm not really a feelings person, my ratio part is doing all the codexes digesting. They are so delicious. Discussion much needed. I am aware that many of these aspects might have been already speculated about. Beg pardon if I repeat someone's ideas.

I still have no idea who the Evanuris were waring against. It's not dwarver or Titans, because we can clearly see from earlier codex entries they were regarded as something minor and insignificant. Just a resourse. And they did not fight with Forgotten Ones either, because they were banished during this war efforts for " abandoning the People in their time of greatest need, for casting aside form to flee to where the Earth could not reach" (i.e. deepest parts of the Fade). But I do nthink these Forgotten Ones have something to do with the Blight. My guess is that they manifested themselves in this form, Andruil got infected, Evanuris used blighted weapons and infected one of the Titans. As a result of these actions we have Primeval Thaig with red lyrium which is, in fact, a corrupted Titan.

I was also excited to see that all books in Shattered Library were written with the veilfire. And that elves' physical form in the Fade was as fluid as spirit's (see Birds of Fancy codex).

[TheEggCrusher]

Okaay guys, I'm back after oh so many months of absence. Social life and it' tolls...

I have just finished my share of Trespasser. Thoughts:

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I was most definately not prepared for this overwhelmingly magnificent DLC, it was like "oh wow, it is really out, isn't it?". I got everything I was hoping for and more. The feels, they ooze out of me in buckets of salty tears. It hurts sooo good. And since I'm not really a feelings person, my ratio part is doing all the codexes digesting. They are so delicious. Discussion much needed. I am aware that many of these aspects might have been already speculated about. Beg pardon if I repeat someone's ideas.

I still have no idea who the Evanuris were waring against. It's not dwarver or Titans, because we can clearly see from earlier codex entries they were regarded as something minor and insignificant. Just a resourse. And they did not fight with Forgotten Ones either, because they were banished during this war efforts for " abandoning the People in their time of greatest need, for casting aside form to flee to where the Earth could not reach" (i.e. deepest parts of the Fade). But I do nthink these Forgotten Ones have something to do with the Blight. My guess is that they manifested themselves in this form, Andruil got infected, Evanuris used blighted weapons and infected one of the Titans. As a result of these actions we have Primeval Thaig with red lyrium which is, in fact, a corrupted Titan.

I was also excited to see that all books in Shattered Library were written with the veilfire. And that elves' physical form in the Fade was as fluid as spirit's (see Birds of Fancy codex).

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My theory was that they were warring against themselves. 

 

Here's a link to my thread (which I update when I have the time): http://forum.bioware...passerspoilers/

 

[vierrae]

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My theory was that they were warring against themselves. 

 

Here's a link to my thread (which I update when I have the time): http://forum.bioware...passerspoilers/

 

Thanks, that thread is golden. I am so going to live there...

[Kadan]

Oh no, don't apologize. I'm sorry to freak out... again. (I'm sorry, I seem to do it a lot on this thread.  )

 

When you define it like that, I guess "sexual orientation" seems to be the closest analogy we have to understanding his feelings.

 

Oh, I understand. Yes, I guess it can be discouraging thinking that if you were in his world, he wouldn't be interested. I don't know though. I'd like to think that if I was transported into Thedas, I would automatically become an elf. I feel more "elfy" than human, and look a little more like it, and culturally connect with them more, and I've always been more on the intuitive and spiritual side, and so on.

 

I mean, in real life we're all technically non-magic humans because magic and other humanoid races don't exist, but if whatever magic got us into that world was possible, wouldn't it also be possible that those of us that would have the capacity or sensitivity to magic could become mages, and those with traits in common with... at least elves or dwarves become elves or dwarves too?

 

As it is, I can't play a human because I just don't connect with human characters. Trying to step into their shoes feels like trying to push a size fourteen foot into a size four shoe. It just doesn't fit, and it requires me to hack off pieces of myself to even try, and ultimately I just can't. Playing an elf is like slipping on an old, worn, comfortable pair of shoes, and playing a Qunari or dwarf is like slipping on a less comfortable but still flashy shoes that I enjoy wearing on a night out in the town. Whatever magic that could get me into Thedas must sense that about me and change me accordingly once I got there, so I don't feel bad about Solas liking elves.

 

 This...This is how I feel too. I connect with the elven characters and prefer their histories, cultures and the like. As for the dreamer and Fade and spiritual connection that really resonates with me. As one that dreams vivid dreams I would expect to cross over as an elf mage with sominari powers. Watch out DW my Quizzy is far cleverer than you think, and she can find you in the Fade!

[TheEggCrusher]

Thanks, that thread is golden. I am so going to live there...

please do XD 

 

It's all serious and discussy .. but mostly serious. 

 

I pop in whenever I feel like it. It can get pretty intense and stresses me out a bit. 

 

Also FrankWisdom is ruling it over there. He's saying some great stuff. 

 

Anyways, I want to make my next posts good (because everyone is getting such great ideas) so don't hate me if it takes a while (please?) 

[Tess]

I tried to tell myself I'd romance Cullen this one time. But nope. I was too weak. Right when he starts talking about the wonders of the fade i'm already too far gone. 

 

 

 Yep. On my way to start chatting up Cullen (he looks much better on ultra mesh, shader and texture..), I was silly enough to strike up a word with Solas. He started to talk about dreams and ancient ruins and my poor lost Lavellan just aquired a huge crush. Cullen is so... bland for her. Aspiring, although still very weak mage, fascinated by Fade? Bring it on, Solas.

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.... looking at this screenshot now, makes me wonder. Is he happy to see her?

[FernRain]

A secret in Trespasser:

 

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Make sure your anchor is upgraded to the point it can blow up gatlok, then backtrack to this place:

 

 

 

I won't spoil it .