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[Illyria]

How do you do these trials? I know about them, but not really how to do them =3=

 

 

In a new game you can pick custom difficulty and switch them on or off there.  Otherwise go into the gameplay menu.  Trials should be in there.

 

For my Cadash DW Artificer, it took me about 2 or 3 hours to finally best that fight on Nightmare, because I stubbornly refuse to use revival spells or healing mists, so everytime any party members fall I restarted the fight from the beginning.

 

Finally managed to nail it with Blackwall as my near-immortal tank taking all the aggro, Dorian and Solas providing covering fire, crowd control and barriers, leaving my rogue to be main DPS damage dealer, spamming throwing knives and elemental mines, as well as Aegis of the Rift to keep himself and the mages alive.

 

(Yeah, by the mid-to-endgame, my Cadash gave up using his daggers in close-quarters to instead throw knives and bombs from mid-range)

 

As for the end boss of Descent, I actually ended up finding it easier with no tank whatsoever, I just used Sera, Dorian and Solas, attacked it from range and used both fade step, evade and lightning flask to avoid it's "arms".

 

I get enough of that in Fire Emblem.

 

Oooh! Check out Solas using one of those armors from the Cheat Engine (I'm assuming).

 

Source: http://eggsquisite-d...this-armor-more

 

Not sure if spoiler but it's said to be a Trespasser DLC item.

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Woof

 

Ooh! So this armor always been there in the base game before Trespasser? I don't think I've actually seen it before. (I've only seen shots of it on Tumblr after Trespasser was released.)

 

It was added in as a reward post-Trespasser.  A lot of stuff has been added in as rewards (I finished up Dagna's final war table mission right before doing the final battle of the base game, after I had installed Trespasser, and got a sigil as a reward.)

 

I doubt he will since that would confirm where they go and that may be actual spoilers. If they remain alive and pop up again, I would assume the team wants to keep that a (nice and sexy) surprise.  

 

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But, I think it may be closer to the truth.  Solas has been working to achieve his goals with the Inquisition the entire time. Why would he let powerful allies slip through his fingers?   They know what he is. Or at least recognize that he is different.  After Trespasser...I am suspicious of literally EVERYTHING he ever did.  Save his relationship with Lavellan, even the friendships are suspect. I think he grew to care for them, but the impetus for doing so was clearly learning them and I think remained the motivating factor in staying friends.  They are clearly expendable...for now.  We'll see what happens when he has the ineveitable emotional breakdown at the end of next game.  I WANT MY CASS AND SOLAS MOMENT DAMMIT. 

 

My ideal end for DA4:

 

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Solas: I am sorry, Vhenan, but with this act I shall remove the veil. Your world will die for mine.

Cassandra: *disgusted noise*

Solas: ... or... I could not do that?

[BoscoBread]

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Mine can't be on board with this unless it's absolutely clear there is a decent place for modern elves in the new world. So far, it isn't clear.

 

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Mine never will be.  Even if all elves are saved - which is impossible since I'm sure a lot will die in the upcoming war - humans, qunari, dwarves may all be killed. And that's just not sittin' with my girl.  Now that Clan Lavellan has actual power in Wycome there is an actual chance for change.  For people to move forward and work together.

[Moondreamer01]

I said I wanted to look at the prophecies a bit more closely, so I thought I'd give it a go, even though I'm not as lore-crazy as some so I apologize in advance if I miss anything.

 

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This first post is about Sandal's prophecy as it's the easiest one :

 

One day the magic will come back - all of it. Everyone will be just like they were. The shadows will part and the skies will open wide. When he rises, everyone will see.

 

First of all, it amused me to see this trailer, from months before Inquisition was out. Bioware likes to be heavy on the foreshadowing

 

 

The prophecy never quite fit with either the Inquisitor or Corypheus, but even then, they were foreshadowing somehting much bigger, that is now revealed with Trespasser's ending. but then, by now I think everyone realizes Sandal's prophecy is about Solas and his plan of taking down the veil. It's slightly ominous too, although not overly so.

 

What's more interesting than the prophecy itself though, is something else Sandal says. He says he sees a woman in his room at night with "a scary laugh". The dwarves having to point of reference to what dreams are, it's been theorized that Sandal is actually seeing the woman in his dreams. The woman most probably is Mythal. And so we have it. The most probable source for the prophecy is... Mythal herself. And this happened some time before Solas even woke (not clear how long. At most, the prophecy is from around the time of his waking up). So... Mythal gives Sandal a prophecy, about Solas, before Solas even wakes. How long has she been planning this? It seems to me that she knows exactly what Solas is planning. Worse, it looks like she's acting in the shadows to push things along toward this goal.

 

Mythal is neck deep into this whole thing, and like some others here, I can't help but feel she has her own agenda and Solas is only another one of her pawns.

[Moondreamer01]

Anyone has the text of what we can learn of Fen'Harel in the Black Emporium, the one about the eclipse? I can't seem to find it again.

[Mims]

I said I wanted to look at the prophecies a bit more closely, so I thought I'd give it a go, even though I'm not as lore-crazy as some so I apologize in advance if I miss anything.

 

Spoiler

This first post is about Sandal's prophecy as it's the easiest one :

 

One day the magic will come back - all of it. Everyone will be just like they were. The shadows will part and the skies will open wide. When he rises, everyone will see.

 

First of all, it amused me to see this trailer, from months before Inquisition was out. Bioware likes to be heavy on the foreshadowing

 

 

The prophecy never quite fit with either the Inquisitor or Corypheus, but even then, they were foreshadowing somehting much bigger, that is now revealed with Trespasser's ending. but then, by now I think everyone realizes Sandal's prophecy is about Solas and his plan of taking down the veil. It's slightly ominous too, although not overly so.

 

What's more interesting than the prophecy itself though, is something else Sandal says. He says he sees a woman in his room at night with "a scary laugh". The dwarves having to point of reference to what dreams are, it's been theorized that Sandal is actually seeing the woman in his dreams. The woman most probably is Mythal. And so we have it. The most probable source for the prophecy is... Mythal herself. And this happened some time before Solas even woke (not clear how long. At most, the prophecy is from around the time of his waking up). So... Mythal gives Sandal a prophecy, about Solas, before Solas even wakes. How long has she been planning this? It seems to me that she knows exactly what Solas is planning. Worse, it looks like she's acting in the shadows to push things along toward this goal.

 

Mythal is neck deep into this whole thing, and like some others here, I can't help but feel she has her own agenda and Solas is only another one of her pawns.

 

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Another interesting Mythal conspiracy- she's contacting elves through their dreams. Unless for some reason Solas is pretending to by Mythal in order to draw elves to him. But I'd say it's probably Mythal, given Sandal's description of her in his dreams predates her transfer. 

 

She's definitely planning something. I think she wants the veil gone, and she needs Solas to do that as he's the one who created it. But it doesn't seem like she really gives a damn about bringing about a New Arlathan. Definitely gaming something...just hard to say what it is.

 

Something that involves dragons. She had Yvana taking care of high dragons, and then made Maric promise that he'd donate his blood to her cause. 

[wright1978]

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Mine can't be on board with this unless it's absolutely clear there is a decent place for modern elves in the new world. So far, it isn't clear.

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Mine would prefer a positive outcome for them & others. However if sacrifices are needed in the corrupted present so be it. The restored future is what matters.

[BoscoBread]

Anyone has the text of what we can learn of Fen'Harel in the Black Emporium, the one about the eclipse? I can't seem to find it again.

http://dragonage.wik...gent_Compendium

 

Here' you go!  

 

"An eclipse as Fen'Harel stirs" - SLEEPY SOLAS. 

[Solas]

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Lavellan visits her clan.

 

Lavellan: K I'm going off on another adventure

Keeper: What kind of adventure da'len

Lavellan: K so hear me out, this will sound awful but it's Good ****, just trust me -

Keeper: This sounds ominous da'len

Lavellan: K so you all have to die in raw burning chaos at the behest of the Dread Wolf -

Keeper: WAT

Lavellan: - it'll suck but it's a sacrifice we have to make -

Keeper: WAT??

Lavellan: just trust me on this ok

Keeper: em.. no

[Mims]

Anyone has the text of what we can learn of Fen'Harel in the Black Emporium, the one about the eclipse? I can't seem to find it again.

 

I believe this is it:

"Two shadowed spheres among stars... an eclipse as Fen'Harel stirred."

 

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A big theory is that the explosion of the Chantry in Kirkwall happened during an eclipse. I believe this also fits Solas's timeline of waking a year before the events at the conclave. 

[Moondreamer01]

Spoiler

Another interesting Mythal conspiracy- she's contacting elves through their dreams. Unless for some reason Solas is pretending to by Mythal in order to draw elves to him. But I'd say it's probably Mythal, given Sandal's description of her in his dreams predates her transfer. 

 

She's definitely planning something. I think she wants the veil gone, and she needs Solas to do that as he's the one who created it. But it doesn't seem like she really gives a damn about bringing about a New Arlathan. Definitely gaming something...just hard to say what it is.

 

Something that involves dragons. She had Yvana taking care of high dragons, and then made Maric promise that he'd donate his blood to her cause. 

Ohhhh... I'd not even taken the dragons into consideration. They stump me. They're definitely important, but why? How? Mythal has her daughter guarding them. There's Marik and his dragon blood. There's the qunari and the fact they might be hybrids. There's the evanuris who seem to have taken the shape of dragons as theirs... what's the link there? What is it we aren't yet understanding about the fabric or reality in Thedas?

 

Will we realize in game 5 that "Dragon Age" has a meaning that was hidden until then? Seeing as the entirety of the story arc (at least until game 5) has been planned in advance, I wouldn't be surprised. But dragons... dragons are something else and I'm not sure what

[Moondreamer01]

I believe this is it:

"Two shadowed spheres among stars... an eclipse as Fen'Harel stirred."

 

Spoiler

A big theory is that the explosion of the Chantry in Kirkwall happened during an eclipse. I believe this also fits Solas's timeline of waking a year before the events at the conclave. 

Certainly possible. I'll add it to my list of prophecies, although I don't have much to add about it.

[Mims]

Ohhhh... I'd not even taken the dragons into consideration. They stump me. They're definitely important, but why? How? Mythal has her daughter guarding them. There's Marik and his dragon blood. There's the qunari and the fact they might be hybrids. There's the evanuris who seem to have taken the shape of dragons as theirs... what's the link there? What is it we aren't yet understanding about the fabric or reality in Thedas?

 

Will we realize in game 5 that "Dragon Age" has a meaning that was hidden until then? Seeing as the entirety of the story arc (at least until game 5) as been planned in advance, I wouldn't be surprised. But dragons... dragons are something else and I'm not sure what

 

It is very strange! She claims: "The blood of dragons is the blood of the world."

 

So it has to mean something...just not sure what. Then there's also the weird language she spoke to the dragons, which suggests they might have had their own language and culture at one point. 

[Solas]

theorycraftin

[BoscoBread]

Ohhhh... I'd not even taken the dragons into consideration. They stump me. They're definitely important, but why? How? Mythal has her daughter guarding them. There's Marik and his dragon blood. There's the qunari and the fact they might be hybrids. There's the evanuris who seem to have taken the shape of dragons as theirs... what's the link there? What is it we aren't yet understanding about the fabric or reality in Thedas?

 

Will we realize in game 5 that "Dragon Age" has a meaning that was hidden until then? Seeing as the entirety of the story arc (at least until game 5) as been planned in advance, I wouldn't be surprised. But dragons... dragons are something else and I'm not sure what

 

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My theory with the dragon's is that they are actually the key to immortality.  There is a reason this game makes big overtures about how the dragon is the key to Corypheus' immortality. It's the only way he's able to jump bodies.  Once killed. He can't.   

 

So the evanuris may have had a bond with dragons.  There is a reason the "shape of the gods" seen in the Xebenkeck codex in Trespasser is a dragon. Why Mythal's favored form and her symbol is a dragon.  Immortality - out of everything the elves could do - marked them as a culture.  It drove their way of life. It allowed them to be more powerful magically.  It dictated EVERYTHING.  Out of everything, I think their immortality was what made them, them.  EDIT: So possibly Mythal -- whose orgins are very very murky -- may have discovered this link which is why she is represented as a dragon and why she is considered the mother.  She is sort of the mother of their culture. (that last bit is pure pure speculation).  

[Solas]

It is very strange! She claims: "The blood of dragons is the blood of the world."

 

So it has to mean something...just not sure what. Then there's also the weird language she spoke to the dragons, which suggests they might have had their own language and culture at one point. 

our hero our hero claims a warrior's heart 

[Kittn]

Regarding character loyalties and post game stuffs:

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Would my Lavellan join the Dread Wolf Network?

If it really ends up being his guys against our guys, and we can elect to join his guys instead, I don't think I could. But there's no way she'd be able to kill him either. So I guess that means Tiger Festival will just have to reeducate him on who his people really are.

I can even imagine the conversation. All over the world there are ruins rebuilding themselves, spirits darting about as magic goes haywire. People sobbing in the streets or murdering each other in fits of rage as the fade bleeds emotion back into everyone who can dream. And at the heart of it all, Solas standing tall, weaving spells like a boss. A wild Lavellan appears. Begs him to stop. He gives her one of those sad puppy looks he's so good at, and says, "But, this is for my people, Vhenan."

"We. ARE. Your People!" Tiger will declare with great determination.

And then she'll knock him right the hell out with her shiny metal hand.

[Mims]

And more rambling- why does the Theirin bloodline have dragon blood in it to begin with? And where did humans come from? 

[Sable Rhapsody]

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So the evanuris may have had a bond with dragons.  There is a reason the "shape of the gods" seen in the Xebenkeck codex in Trespasser is a dragon. Why Mythal's favored form and her symbol is a dragon.  Immortality - out of everything the elves could do - marked them as a culture.  It drove their way of life. It allowed them to be more powerful magically.  It dictated EVERYTHING.  Out of everything, I think their immortality was what made them, them.  

 

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So then how do the rest of the ancient elves figure in?  The ones who aren't Evanuris?  They were immortal too.  Maybe their immortality was predicated on being able to enter uthenera?  And when Solas put up the Veil, he severed the connection so they couldn't return to the Fade to "recharge," if we're working on the theory that the elves were once spirits.

 

Or maybe on a more sinister note, the vallaslin were done with dragon's blood.  That would impart immortality to the slaves of the Evanuris, and bind them to their gods.

[Nightspirit]

I believe this is it:

"Two shadowed spheres among stars... an eclipse as Fen'Harel stirred."

 

Spoiler

A big theory is that the explosion of the Chantry in Kirkwall happened during an eclipse. I believe this also fits Solas's timeline of waking a year before the events at the conclave. 

 

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I thought so too, but when I checked, it turned out that Anders blew up the Chatry in 9:37, but the Conclave took place in 9:41, meaning Solas woke up around 9:40.

[Mims]

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I thought so too, but when I checked, it turned out that Anders blew up the Chatry in 9:37, but the Conclave took place in 9:41, meaning Solas woke up around 9:40.

 

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Interesting! I did not realize that many years had gone by. 

[Moondreamer01]

Spoiler

My theory with the dragon's is that they are actually the key to immortality.  There is a reason this game makes big overtures about how the dragon is the key to Corypheus' immortality. It's the only way he's able to jump bodies.  Once killed. He can't.   

 

So the evanuris may have had a bond with dragons.  There is a reason the "shape of the gods" seen in the Xebenkeck codex in Trespasser is a dragon. Why Mythal's favored form and her symbol is a dragon.  Immortality - out of everything the elves could do - marked them as a culture.  It drove their way of life. It allowed them to be more powerful magically.  It dictated EVERYTHING.  Out of everything, I think their immortality was what made them, them.  EDIT: So possibly Mythal -- whose orgins are very very murky -- may have discovered this link which is why she is represented as a dragon and why she is considered the mother.  She is sort of the mother of their culture. (that last bit is pure pure speculation).  

Out of likes, so have a  instead.

 

Hmmm, could Mythal be fundamentally different form the rest of the Evanuris? As you say, her origins are murky at best and she seems (as Elgar'nan seems) elevated over the rest of the pantheon. The mother and father respectively. This, combined to the hints of a fight between Elgar'nan and some older beings, might be important in the long run.

[Solas]

calenhad drank it in some iterations of the lore

 

[Moondreamer01]

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So then how do the rest of the ancient elves figure in?  The ones who aren't Evanuris?  They were immortal too.  Maybe their immortality was predicated on being able to enter uthenera?  And when Solas put up the Veil, he severed the connection so they couldn't return to the Fade to "recharge," if we're working on the theory that the elves were once spirits.

 

Or maybe on a more sinister note, the vallaslin were done with dragon's blood.  That would impart immortality to the slaves of the Evanuris, and bind them to their gods.

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Or the Evanuris themselves were dragon-blooded and the vallaslin used their blood to bind spirits and elves alike (if the theory about Solas is true). Would explain how Ghilnan'nain could be "elevated" to the rank or evanuris too. Somehow, Andruil shared with her own blood or the blood of a great dragon. do I even make sense?

[BoscoBread]

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So then how do the rest of the ancient elves figure in?  The ones who aren't Evanuris?  They were immortal too.  Maybe their immortality was predicated on being able to enter uthenera?  And when Solas put up the Veil, he severed the connection so they couldn't return to the Fade to "recharge," if we're working on the theory that the elves were once spirits.

 

Or maybe on a more sinister note, the vallaslin were done with dragon's blood.  That would impart immortality to the slaves of the Evanuris, and bind them to their gods.

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Ok this is Katie's crazy theories - Sit down kiddos - I think they could ALL transform into dragons.  That blood is what made them immortal. AND only until Morrigan has the knowledge of the well could she transform.  And the game actually tallies if you kill the dragons in the game or not. It's in the keep.  So the smaller dragons - ones not at as large and as powerful were lesser mages- either remained that way after the veil dropped. Or are descended.  And to your theory(which I love): And it's possible the  slaves were kept alive by dragons blood vallaslin.  Which is why you would need magic to remove them. 

 

I think...and I know this has been thrown around a bit over the years - I think the Archdemons ARE the pantheon.  There are 7 named and 7 who would be sealed(Mythal and Solas are out obviously).  That leaves everybody else. And it would explain Solas' insane pathological hatred towards the Wardens' plan.  I think he realizes there is nothing to be done for a blighted Archdemon, but they are not blighted until they are touched by a darkspawn.  So if released prior - you have a fully cogent and powerful and angry mage. 

[Moondreamer01]

theorycraftin

Everytime I try theory-crafting, I feel like jumping into a deep deep well, and I'm not quite sure I can swim It's fun though