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[Moondreamer01]

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Ok this is Katie's crazy theories - Sit down kiddos - I think they could ALL transform into dragons.  That blood is what made them immortal. AND only until Morrigan has the knowledge of the well could she transform.  And the game actually tallies if you kill the dragons in the game or not. It's in the keep.  So the smaller dragons - ones not at as large and as powerful were lesser mages- either remained that way after the veil dropped. Or are descended.  And to your theory(which I love): And it's possible the  slaves were kept alive by dragons blood vallaslin.  Which is why you would need magic to remove them. 

 

I think...and I know this has been thrown around a bit over the years - I think the Archdemons ARE the pantheon.  There are 7 named and 7 who would be sealed(Mythal and Solas are out obviously).  That leaves everybody else. And it would explain Solas' insane pathological hatred towards the Wardens' plan.  I think he realizes there is nothing to be done for a blighted Archdemon, but they are not blighted until they are touched by a darkspawn.  So if released prior - you have a fully cogent and powerful and angry mage. 

Have all the         I'm still out of likes.

 

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If they could, they weren't allowed to though, as the sinner's codex shows. The penalty for taking the shape of the god was dire. It also means though that it WAS possible for an elf not an evanuris to learn how to do so. Question remains. Did it only take knowledge of the way to do it, or did you have to possess the same blood as the evanuris themselves. Door number two would explain why Morrigan can learn while even a mage Inquisitor can't. Morrigan IS Mythal's daughter after all. even if what remains of Mythal is diluted in Flemeth. Hmmm... wouldn't it have to do with spirit and not physical blood then. Is there a link between blood and spirit? Urgh... I think of one thing and all it does is bring up a ton of new questions.

[Sable Rhapsody]

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I think...and I know this has been thrown around a bit over the years - I think the Archdemons ARE the pantheon.  There are 7 named and 7 who would be sealed(Mythal and Solas are out obviously).  That leaves everybody else. And it would explain Solas' insane pathological hatred towards the Wardens' plan.  I think he realizes there is nothing to be done for a blighted Archdemon, but they are not blighted until they are touched by a darkspawn.  So if released prior - you have a fully cogent and powerful and angry mage. 

 

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Makes you wonder what actually happened when the Architect tried to "help" Urthemiel, and inadvertently awakened him as an Archdemon.  I don't think the Architect gives any useful details; he just says he tried the Warden blood, and it didn't work.  But working off this theory, of COURSE it wouldn't work.  Warden blood is already blighted.  

 

Maybe the dropping of the Veil trapped the Evanuris in their physical bodies--the dragon forms that Tevinter later worshipped as the Old Gods.  Argh.  Head starting to spin.  Still don't know how the Blight and the old gods' souls figure into all this.  Kieran certainly never seemed like he wanted to murder and enslave everyone, but Flemeth is undoubtedly influenced by Mythal.

[Lunapur]

Hey guys don't know if i missed it posted or not but you guys now we can finally can have a dress at the ball yessss   and Dalish style

http://www.nexusmods...tion/mods/837/?

Thank you Sho,much love to you hun

[Aramintai]

So is it a coinsidence that the number of Elven gods, the Evanuri,

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minus murdered Mythal and Solas the Dread Wolf

is the same as the number of the Old Gods of Tevinter?

http://dragonage.wik.../Elven_pantheon

http://dragonage.wik...m/wiki/Old_Gods

 

I'm sure there was such theory before, but after Trespasser it rings even more true -

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Solas created the Veil which sealed away in the Fade these Evanuri along with pieces of their city, most likely Arlathan. Their shapeshifted dragonlike bodies were sealed underground, their spirits trapped in the Fade. Later Tevinter magisters were goaded by the "Old Gods" aka. the Evanuri in their dreams to invade the "Golden City" aka. the Evanuri prison aka. Fade Arlathan to free them. Something went wrong there, like a security failsafe, and magisters were turned into darkspawn. Perhaps Solas is to blame for darkspawn as well.

All pieces seem to connect, which means the Andrastians are living a huge lie.

[BoscoBread]

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Makes you wonder what actually happened when the Architect tried to "help" Urthemiel, and inadvertently awakened him as an Archdemon.  I don't think the Architect gives any useful details; he just says he tried the Warden blood, and it didn't work.  But working off this theory, of COURSE it wouldn't work.  Warden blood is already blighted.  

 

Maybe the dropping of the Veil trapped the Evanuris in their physical bodies--the dragon forms that Tevinter later worshipped as the Old Gods.  Argh.  Head starting to spin.  Still don't know how the Blight and the old gods' souls figure into all this.  Kieran certainly never seemed like he wanted to murder and enslave everyone, but Flemeth is undoubtedly influenced by Mythal.

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The blight is a different thing. I think it's a naturally occurring illness. Specifically one that afflicts Titans and one that corrupts lyrium.  The blight hones into "healthy" lyrium through the song.  Potentially - every magical being in Thedas has a small amount of lyrium naturally occurring in them. A dragon - probably an assload. 

 

That's the thing - I don't think Mythal is driving Flemeth - I think she's like a parasite.  I think she needs the body to live and I think the soul enhances the best/worst things about a person.  Flemeth was bitter and angry(for good reason). So Mythal took refuge in a powerful woman and sort of just reinforced that anger.  

 

Kieran is a little kid.  Possibly in time it would have made him worse, but I think he was just this curious and magically powerful kid.  So it just made him a little weird.  And if it was an Evanuris soul - we don't know which.  They sounded horrible but varying shades of it. Urthemiel could have been beautiful June and we know that June was wonderful and did nothing wrong.(I kid...but you get the point). 

 

With Solas, i think it's the same. Solas is in charge of his actions but I think Mythal is underscoring his guilt, depression, and nihilism. 

[CuriousArtemis]

Solas threaders, you're still alive!! After, after... that...

 

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I was really very happy with the ending, and appreciative that my Lavellan was able to remain his calm, peaceful, and loving self. He never yelled at Solas or accused him of anything, just told him he loved him and begged him not to do what he planned to do.

 

To me the hardest part was when Lavellan asked if Solas still saw them (mortals) as "lesser," and Solas had to admit that he did (his FACE!!!! ugh...) but then tried to hurriedly say that Lavellan was special, even if still lesser... it was like, nice attempt at a save there, pal, but you still failed LOL

[Sable Rhapsody]

Hey guys don't know if i missed it posted or not but you guys now we can finally can have a dress at the ball yessss   and Dalish style

http://www.nexusmods...tion/mods/837/?

Thank you Sho,much love to you hun

 

AHHHHHH YESSSSSS

 

I have been waiting for a dress at Halamshiral for so damn long!  

[Shari'El]

Holy crap... New knowledge straight off Tumblr. 

 

http://villainfetish...las-at-the-well

 

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This! 

 

The last thing Solas says to Abelas is “Malas amelin ne halam, Abelas”.

Solas says he said he hoped Abelas would get a new name, but just knowing ‘halam’, one of the most common elvish words in the game, we know that’s full of ****.

So what is he actually saying? This one is a bit dicey since it involves assuming some of these are compound words, but I think this makes sense given context and precedent (we have a few compound words like bellanaris or adahlen;  it’s most common though in proper nouns)

Glossary is here. Cut for Trespasser spoilers below.

Malas amelin ne halam, Abelas

(lit. Me-give one-blood you end, Abelas)

Abelas is not translated here because, being capitalized, I am treating it as a proper noun.

Before we start interpreting, we need to look at the context. Immediately before this, Solas says there is a place for him. (video here) Abelas says then that perhaps there are places the shemlen have not touched, and posits uthenara as a possible ending for him.

Regardless of the Inquisitor’s response, Solas then delivers his elvish line.

Most of this then has a straightforward interpretation, but figuring out what is meant by ‘one-blood’ is the trick here. I think it refers to a group of related people. In other contexts, I would say ‘family’ but here I think it means the Sentinels.

From here, we can take advantage of how Elvish as a cipher is tenseless.

Thus:

Malas amelin ne halam, Abelas

I will give your people an ending, Abelas.

It’s a ****** recruitment speech.

 

Me thinks that we can't be certain

 

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Mala means your

Ma means me, mine, you

Alas mean earth

We don't know how the elven language works, it would be ma + alas, we could have "as" serve as something and then it is mala (your) - as (?), it could be a word we don't know. I've noticed that usually when a verb is conjugated with another word in elvish it usually is written with an apostrophe between.

Lin is blood, but ame? Is that translation because of the song "I Am The One" in which ame amin is translated to those words? We don't know what is amin, we can't translate ame to "one" without understanding the other word.

Ne is indeed you

Halam is indeed end

 

If we want to translate ame we could use an elven lullaby to translate amin first

"Ir tela’ena glandival, vir amin tel’hanin"

We know the translation to be

"When we could no longer believe, we lost glory to war."

Now word by word:

ir - I'm/very

tela'ena -  something appear

glandival - wish/believe

vir - way/path

amin - something

tel'hanin - lit. not glory

 

We are missing "tela", but no worry we have more verses using "tela"

"Ir tela las ir Fen halam, vir am’tela’elvahen." which translates to "When the Wolf failed/won, we lost the People to war."

Ir - I'm/very

tela (appears twice) - 

las - grant/give

Fen - wolf

halam - end/finished

vir - way/path

am - something

elvahen - I think this is a type and it's elvhen since the translation says "the People".

 

The two sentences share 'lost', 'war' and 'when'...

Now 'ir' makes no sense no matter how poetic we are, "I'm/very ? grant I'm/very wolf end/finished", it must have another meaning.

There is a word that start with 'ir' - 'iras' which means 'where' so perhaps, depending on the context, ir could mean where or when since it appears in both the sentences in the beginning. A word that encapsulates both time and space, seeing how elves are eternal I won't put that beyond them >_>

So "When ? grant/give I'm/very/when/where wolf end/finished" I think that we can conclude that 'tela' is 'lose'.

It'll be "when lose grant/give I'm/very/when wolf end/finished" so when the wolf grant/gave (failed/won) lose when he finished/ended.

The second part of the sentence "way/path ? lost the People" I think 'am' is war, which would fit with the first sentence as well

'When lose appear believe, way/path war no glory"

 

I think that even though it ruins the direct translation to "I am the one" it can still fit, if, for example, we have "ame amin" something like war survivor, "I Am the One" (in my eyes) speaks of war (I'm pretty sure the song is about Solas).

 

I'm doubtful that amin is war but that's the best I could come up with, maybe, like a lot of other elven words, it has several meanings.

 

Anyhow, we don't know the meaning of 'ame', 'malas' could be a word on it's own but if it's not I don't think it means 'me-give' because of what I stated above, if I were to guess the meaning of the sentence it will be "your duty is done" or something of the sort.

 

Oh god I spent like an hour over this, lol

[Lunapur]

Someone uploaded and made a playlist of the new bard songs from Trespasser: https://www.youtube....M_zvYRO0ylZgmqf

Love the inquisitor song thank you so much:)

[Nightspirit]

It is very strange! She claims: "The blood of dragons is the blood of the world."

 

So it has to mean something...just not sure what. Then there's also the weird language she spoke to the dragons, which suggests they might have had their own language and culture at one point. 

 

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I.. maybe somebody has already dismissed that claim or somehow it has become canon so I'm stating the obvious (sorry for either case), but for some reason, I've always thought that "the sun" is a dragon. The first of "the people" overthrew the dragons for some reason and become rulers in their stead.

 

Long ago, when time itself was young, the only things in existence were the sun and the land. The sun, curious about the land, bowed his head close to her body, and Elgar'nan was born in the place where they touched.

 

This sounds to me like.. a dragon breathed life into stone. What happened next, I can not say, I am unable to articulate my feelings. Have I gone mad from all the lore or does anyone else get a similar vibe?

 

Something else to mull over..

 

He [Elgar'nan] lifted himself into the sky and wrestled the sun, determined to defeat him. They fought for an eternity, and eventually the sun grew weak, while Elgar'nan's rage was unabated. Eventually Elgar'nan threw the sun down from the sky and buried him in a deep abyss created by the land's sorrow.

..

The Dalish believe that when Elgar'nan buried the sun in the abyss, some of its heat remained in the Earth and gave rise to hot springs in the Dales. They call the springs the Pools of the Sun and treat them as sacred. They also believe that the sun's lifeblood spilled in the battle with his son became the stars.

..

Her love for challenging hunts drove her [Andruil] to looking for prey among The Forgotten Ones in the Void, something that ultimately drove her mad.

..

There are no gods. There is only the subject and the object, the actor and the acted upon. Those with will to earn dominance over others gain title not by nature but by deed.[...]Their pride will consume them, and I, forgotten, will claim power of my own, apart from them until I strike in mastery.

 

Would it be possible that the forgotten ones are dragons who used to rule over the living and were overthrown by the Evanuris?

 

I'm sure someone has already come up with a theory like this, but if several people come up with a similar thing, it has to make at least a little sense, right?

[Sable Rhapsody]

I'm sure there was such theory before, but after Trespasser it rings even more true -

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Solas created the Veil which sealed away in the Fade these Evanuri along with pieces of their city, most likely Arlathan. Later Tevinter magisters were goaded by the "Old Gods" aka. the Evanuri in their dreams to invade the "Golden City" aka. the Evanuri prison aka. Fade Arlathan to free them. Something went wrong there, like a security failsafe, and magisters were turned into darkspawn. Perhaps Solas is to blame for darkspawn as well.

All pieces seem to connect, which means the Andrastians are living a huge lie.

 

I wouldn't necessarily say that the Andrastians are living a huge lie.  Large parts of the Chant of Light actually line up with what we know about Solas.

 

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When the Maker first created the world, it was one world without the Veil.  Everything was malleable, everyone was a spirit of some kind.  Later, he sundered one part of it from the rest to form the mortal realm.  The order here is murky, but his firstborn grew jealous and started whispering across the Veil for mortals to worship them as gods.  It does sound awfully like the Old Gods, who may very well be the same as the Evanuris.

 

And let's not forget that at least in Dalish legend, the Sun and the Earth came before the Creators.  The Earth could be the Titans, and the Sun the Maker.  Ultimately IMO whether the Maker exists or not is a bit of a moot point; stuff seems to carry on just fine without him.  But there are too many similarities between the Andrastian story and Solas's for it to be coincidence, IMO.

 

 

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The blight is a different thing. I think it's a naturally occurring illness. Specifically one that afflicts Titans and one that corrupts lyrium.  The blight hones into "healthy" lyrium through the song.  Potentially - every magical being in Thedas has a small amount of lyrium naturally occurring in them. A dragon - probably an assload. 

 

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We know the Blight can afflict Titans, and we know the Evanuris mined their corpses.  That story about Andruil wielding weapons of the Void?  She probably got it from a red lyrium-corrupted Titan.  Mythal stopped her rampage, but I wonder if there's any way to remove the Blight from one of the Evanuris?  We know that Fiona had the Blight removed from her by the Architect, and the bit of Urthemiel that's in Kieran seems to be uncorrupted.  But if there was no way to remove it, or if the corruption had spread too far, the Evanuris could have gotten it that way.

[Moondreamer01]

Me thinks that we can't be certain

 

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Mala means your

Ma means me, mine, you

Alas mean earth

We don't know how the elven language works, it would be ma + alas, we could have "as" serve as something and then it is mala (your) - as (?), it could be a word we don't know. I've noticed that usually when a verb is conjugated with another word in elvish it usually is written with an apostrophe between.

Lin is blood, but ame? Is that translation because of the song "I Am The One" in which ame amin is translated to those words? We don't know what is amin, we can't translate ame to "one" without understanding the other word.

Ne is indeed you

Halam is indeed end

 

If we want to translate ame we could use an elven lullaby to translate amin first

"Ir tela’ena glandival, vir amin tel’hanin"

We know the translation to be

"When we could no longer believe, we lost glory to war."

Now word by word:

ir - I'm/very

tela'ena -  something appear

glandival - wish/believe

vir - way/path

amin - something

tel'hanin - lit. not glory

 

We are missing "tela", but no worry we have more verses using "tela"

"Ir tela las ir Fen halam, vir am’tela’elvahen." which translates to "When the Wolf failed/won, we lost the People to war."

Ir - I'm/very

tela (appears twice) - 

las - grant/give

Fen - wolf

halam - end/finished

vir - way/path

am - something

elvahen - I think this is a type and it's elvhen since the translation says "the People".

 

The two sentences share 'lost', 'war' and 'when'...

Now 'ir' makes no sense no matter how poetic we are, "I'm/very ? grant I'm/very wolf end/finished", it must have another meaning.

There is a word that start with 'ir' - 'iras' which means 'where' so perhaps, depending on the context, ir could mean where or when since it appears in both the sentences in the beginning. A word that encapsulates both time and space, seeing how elves are eternal I won't put that beyond them >_>

So "When ? grant/give I'm/very/when/where wolf end/finished" I think that we can conclude that 'tela' is 'lose'.

It'll be "when lose grant/give I'm/very/when wolf end/finished" so when the wolf grant/gave (failed/won) lose when he finished/ended.

The second part of the sentence "way/path ? lost the People" I think 'am' is war, which would fit with the first sentence as well

'When lose appear believe, way/path war no glory"

 

I think that even though it ruins the direct translation to "I am the one" it can still fit, if, for example, we have "ame amin" something like war survivor, "I Am the One" (in my eyes) speaks of war (I'm pretty sure the song is about Solas).

 

I'm doubtful that amin is war but that's the best I could come up with, maybe, like a lot of other elven words, it has several meanings.

 

Anyhow, we don't know the meaning of 'ame', 'malas' could be a word on it's own but if it's not I don't think it means 'me-give' because of what I stated above, if I were to guess the meaning of the sentence it will be "your duty is done" or something of the sort.

 

Oh god I spent like an hour over this, lol

I think it might be purposefully vague. After all, elvish is said to be a language of intention, meaning weaved into it depending on who is talking. So, both could be right depending who says it and who listens. Same as with Banal Nadas. It's quite clever really, and keeps us guessing.

[Sable Rhapsody]

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To me the hardest part was when Lavellan asked if Solas still saw them (mortals) as "lesser," and Solas had to admit that he did (his FACE!!!! ugh...) but then tried to hurriedly say that Lavellan was special, even if still lesser... it was like, nice attempt at a save there, pal, but you still failed LOL

 

Wait, when does he say that?  I don't remember any lines to that end, and I've been all up and down the stupid dialogue tree.

[BoscoBread]

I wouldn't necessarily say that the Andrastians are living a huge lie.  Large parts of the Chant of Light actually line up with what we know about Solas.

 

Spoiler

When the Maker first created the world, it was one world without the Veil.  Everything was malleable, everyone was a spirit of some kind.  Later, he sundered one part of it from the rest to form the mortal realm.  The order here is murky, but his firstborn grew jealous and started whispering across the Veil for mortals to worship them as gods.  It does sound awfully like the Old Gods, who may very well be the same as the Evanuris.

 

And let's not forget that at least in Dalish legend, the Sun and the Earth came before the Creators.  The Earth could be the Titans, and the Sun the Maker.  Ultimately IMO whether the Maker exists or not is a bit of a moot point; stuff seems to carry on just fine without him.  But there are too many similarities between the Andrastian story and Solas's for it to be coincidence, IMO.

 

 

 

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We know the Blight can afflict Titans, and we know the Evanuris mined their corpses.  That story about Andruil wielding weapons of the Void?  She probably got it from a red lyrium-corrupted Titan.  Mythal stopped her rampage, but I wonder if there's any way to remove the Blight from one of the Evanuris?  We know that Fiona had the Blight removed from her by the Architect, and the bit of Urthemiel that's in Kieran seems to be uncorrupted.  But if there was no way to remove it, or if the corruption had spread too far, the Evanuris could have gotten it that way.

 

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I don't think they are blighted.  I think they were trying to control the blight or trying specifically to use red lyrium(because it's about 1000x more powerful). Solas said 'people who try to control the blight are fools'.  They potentially blighted others, and I think the Evanuris were stopped because Solas was like "STOP SPREADING THE DISEASE".  And they were locked uncorrupted by Solas.

 

 About how they cure it? I don't know.  That may be solved by next game.  Maybe death is a cure...a soul powerful enough can survive by a thread but it's body is gone.  Wasn't Fiona briefly dead? 

[Aramintai]

I wouldn't necessarily say that the Andrastians are living a huge lie.  Large parts of the Chant of Light actually line up with what we know about Solas.

 

Spoiler

When the Maker first created the world, it was one world without the Veil.  Everything was malleable, everyone was a spirit of some kind.  Later, he sundered one part of it from the rest to form the mortal realm.  The order here is murky, but his firstborn grew jealous and started whispering across the Veil for mortals to worship them as gods.  It does sound awfully like the Old Gods, who may very well be the same as the Evanuris.

 

And let's not forget that at least in Dalish legend, the Sun and the Earth came before the Creators.  The Earth could be the Titans, and the Sun the Maker.  Ultimately IMO whether the Maker exists or not is a bit of a moot point; stuff seems to carry on just fine without him.  But there are too many similarities between the Andrastian story and Solas's for it to be coincidence, IMO.

I mean the lie about the Golden City being the seat of the Maker. There never was the Maker in the Fade.

As for the Maker himself - he's becoming more like an abstract concept of God of our modern days. First, the God lived up in the clouds, but as science disproved that, among many other things, he's now somewhere far beyond our universe or in another dimension (or anywhere where science hasn't reached yet).

[Shari'El]

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My theory with the dragon's is that they are actually the key to immortality.  There is a reason this game makes big overtures about how the dragon is the key to Corypheus' immortality. It's the only way he's able to jump bodies.  Once killed. He can't.   

 

So the evanuris may have had a bond with dragons.  There is a reason the "shape of the gods" seen in the Xebenkeck codex in Trespasser is a dragon. Why Mythal's favored form and her symbol is a dragon.  Immortality - out of everything the elves could do - marked them as a culture.  It drove their way of life. It allowed them to be more powerful magically.  It dictated EVERYTHING.  Out of everything, I think their immortality was what made them, them.  EDIT: So possibly Mythal -- whose orgins are very very murky -- may have discovered this link which is why she is represented as a dragon and why she is considered the mother.  She is sort of the mother of their culture. (that last bit is pure pure speculation).  

 

That's what I thought as well, it is said their blood confer great power, god-like power.

[CuriousArtemis]

Wait, when does he say that?  I don't remember any lines to that end, and I've been all up and down the stupid dialogue tree.

 

He does! Or something along those lines... 

 

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It's something like...

 

Lavellan: You see us as less than you and your people, don't you?

Solas: I do (apologetic voice)

Lavellan: (I THINK they can then ask) Even me?

Solas: Yes, but... you ARE different/special/etc.

 

Basically that. I promise! 

[Sable Rhapsody]

He does! Or something along those lines... 

 

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It's something like...

 

Lavellan: You see us as less than you and your people, don't you?

Solas: I do (apologetic voice)

Lavellan: (I THINK they can then ask) Even me?

Solas: Yes, but... you ARE different/special/etc.

 

Basically that. I promise! 

 

Is this in the base game?  Or in Trespasser?  Because I'm 99% positive it's not in the Trespasser dialogue tree.

 

EDIT: Can't find the dialogue tree in the thread.  Does someone else have a link?

[BoscoBread]

Is this in the base game?  Or in Trespasser?  Because I'm 99% positive it's not in the Trespasser dialogue tree.

 

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It's a paraphrase - but you can ask him and he says "i did initially" again or something.  I remember it because we were laughing really hard.  But it's in Trespasser at the end.  I forget what you have to pick.  Here's my twitch stream - I can't watch it at work, but fastforward to the end - I'm pretty sure it's in there. 

 

http://www.twitch.tv...bear/v/15069410

 

[CapricornSun]

Is this in the base game?  Or in Trespasser?  Because I'm 99% positive it's not in the Trespasser dialogue tree.

 

EDIT: Can't find the dialogue tree in the thread.  Does someone else have a link?

 

Here it is: http://karininini.tu...-dialogue-chart

 

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[Aramintai]

Is this in the base game?  Or in Trespasser?  Because I'm 99% positive it's not in the Trespasser dialogue tree.

 

EDIT: Can't find the dialogue tree in the thread.  Does someone else have a link?

It's there but the line actually is this:

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-We're not even people to you?

And Solas response is the same regardless of race.

[Shari'El]

So is it a coinsidence that the number of Elven gods, the Evanuri,

Spoiler

minus murdered Mythal and Solas the Dread Wolf

is the same as the number of the Old Gods of Tevinter?

http://dragonage.wik.../Elven_pantheon

http://dragonage.wik...m/wiki/Old_Gods

 

I'm sure there was such theory before, but after Trespasser it rings even more true -

Spoiler

Solas created the Veil which sealed away in the Fade these Evanuri along with pieces of their city, most likely Arlathan. Their shapeshifted dragonlike bodies were sealed underground, their spirits trapped in the Fade. Later Tevinter magisters were goaded by the "Old Gods" aka. the Evanuri in their dreams to invade the "Golden City" aka. the Evanuri prison aka. Fade Arlathan to free them. Something went wrong there, like a security failsafe, and magisters were turned into darkspawn. Perhaps Solas is to blame for darkspawn as well.

All pieces seem to connect, which means the Andrastians are living a huge lie.

 

I like this theory, I always thought the Old Gods are

 

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the 'pet dragons' of the Evanuris, like Corypheus has a 'pet dragon', which would've separated them from the rest of the elves. While regular elves were mortal (though eternal) the Evanuris were immortal, perhaps allowing them to body jump as well as strengthening their powers. I thought that the reason Mythal's wisp survived is because of that dragon. 

Though if Solas wants to rid of the Evanuris why would he oppose killing the archdemons?

[Avejajed]

It's there but the line actually is this:

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-We're not even people to you?

And Solas response is the same regardless of race.

 

This.

[Avejajed]

He only says that (to any race) ...

 

"Not at first, but you showed me that I was wrong..."

 

But that is not at all tied to your race- only tied to your approval.

[BoscoBread]

He only says that (to any race) ...

 

"Not at first, but you showed me that I was wrong..."

 

But that is not at all tied to your race- only tied to your approval.

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I only thought of you as a tiny gremlin until you listened to me lecture for hours on end.  I JUST WANTED SOME FRIENDS.

 

Solas is the best.