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[Moondreamer01]

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You know this is all making sense now. I really hope this is not just a misunderstanding based on Cole's tendency to say cryptic things. I did find him not saying what he really was to be rather strange. Solas would be the name Mythal gave him. And yes poor Lavellan! What else is next for her? She fell for a bald hobo apostate, who became a would-be God that created the Veil and took her arm and her heart, and now she finds out she had a love affair with a spirit of Wisdom? 

 

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She's no worse off than Maryden with human!Cole (well, apart from the would-be god that created the veil bit

[Moondreamer01]

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At least he stole her heart and gave her his. No burning your tattoos off, no breaking your heart, no God-like/ancient elf that might have once been a spirit in the Fade, and he didn't take her arm. I say the fans had it right! Romancing Cole would have been the best option! 

 

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Him and Maryden were so cute (although I know not everyone liked it). More seriously, it shows that a spirit CAN make the journey and become mortal, in the flesh and able to love a physical person. I wonder if Cole could become a father. If he can, we've actually got one more proof spirits can create actual physical being the "natural" way (childbirth). We have the link between fade spirit and other species like the elves (if the theory they were once spirit is true)

[DarthEmpress]

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I wish we could've got Cass reacting to Solavellan in the base game. I want to see her squeeing over their love, and finding it so romanatic when she discovers that 'vhenan' means 'heart.'

 

lololol

 

Cassandra:  That Elvish word Solas uses to refer to you… it’s a term of endearment, if I’m not mistaken.

Lavellan:  You mean vhenan?

Cassandra:  Yes, that one.  What does it translate to exactly?

Lavellan:  It means “heart.”

Cassandra:  So Solas calls you “heart” then?  That’s very… (sigh) romantic.

Lavellan:  (laughs) Maybe Varric will include us in his next Swords & Shields book!

Cassandra:  (disgruntled noise) Let’s hope not.

[Mims]

I don't personally think Lavellan is too different from Solas.

 

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She's just naturally born and cut off by the veil like the other modern elves. If there was no veil, who knows what elves would be like. Trespasser suggests that elves are spirit beings by nature. Hard to say if that nature can be bred out of them over the generations. [Although it is a possibility, given slave culture.] 

 

Almost a certainty that they can breed though.

[midnight tea]

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If he is, that would explain so much. And be really interesting.

 

I think this would explain one of Cole's random, cryptic comments in Skyhold, where he mentions a being who "walks between both worlds. He calls himself pride."

 

It's also interesting how Solas describes himself when he reveals his true identity. If you ask him if he's a wisp like Mythal, he says something like, "I was Solas first. Fen'Harel came later. I am nothing but what I am." But notice he doesn't say he was born an elf, or he was called Solas first (by his parents or something). He certainly wouldn't call himself pride when he was born, as most of us are too young when we're born to choose our own names.

 

If it turned out he was a Wisdom or Pride spirit who was made real... that would explain it.

 

Haha, can you imagine some Lavellans' reactions to learning that? What would your Lavellan's reaction be?

 

I imagine my Lavellan's reaction would be something like, "First I thought you were a humble apostate, and then you were a god, and then you were one of the ancient elves, and now you're a spirit made flesh... *sigh* Any other surprises?"

 

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Thing is... EVERYONE is spirit made flesh, in one way, or another.

 

It's made rather clear through all the hints we get. Cole can be pushed into becoming "fully human" - Solas says this himself. And he gushes about Lavellan having "rare and marvellous spirit" or says (to approved Lavellans) "if the Dalish could raise someone with a spirit like yours... have I misjudged them?".

 

Then there's a poem Inquisitor reads to Cassandra in her romance scene. The book the poem is in is actually on Chantry's list of forbidden books, which makes it even more interesting.

 

It ends like this:
"The body opens, my spirit there. Not merely housed in flesh, but brought to life"

 

So, there you have it.

 

 

Also - one of the codexes in Shattered Library mentions that "those who have never manifested outside of the Fade" have an easier time finding the roots of it. I think Solas was close to that - as every ancient elf, he was more than a spirit, but too complex to just embody one emotion. With that said, I don't know if he was indeed only just a spirit - merely someone with something of a vague physical form, more interested with the Fade itself.

 

He was an explorer - he himself told that to Inquisitor. He said that he grew in a small village - that Leliana's agents have found, so it WAS a physical place - and there was not much to do there (what is curious that he says "especially for a young man gifted with magic". Weren't all elves magical then? Or were there elves with especially strong magical gift? I mean, the game goes out of its way to call the Evanuris elven mages, which means that not all elves might have actually wielded magic, even if all of them could use it in some capacity)

 

...But when Solas slept, spirits showed him wonders he could've never imagined. Then he says "being awake, out of the Fade, became troublesome". So he himself does imply that there WAS some sort of physical manifestation of himself when he was very young (whatever that means for ancient elves).

 

I think Solas was someone so absorbed with the Fade that he either almost completely forgot of the world outside and whatever physical form he had or maybe even began... well... fading. It might be that at some point he met Mythal during his travels in the Fade and she - seeing the boy's potential - talked him into exploring not just the Fade, but the world.

[Uirebhiril]

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Solas said that he never thought he'd see it as Cole begins to become more human. Maybe he meant he never thought he'd see another like himself (he also says the good spirits are lost now and wants Cole to live. Maybe now that the female Wisdom is gone and if he's a male Wisdom, he knows his death will make Wisdom spirits extinct? I hope we get more follow-ups on Cole later on. I am also curious if he could be a father. When my Inquisitor asked if his body was human, he said it's always been, but to create another life, can that just be manifested too? We have functioning organs for that, but could a spirit actually manifest that too I wonder.

 

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Nothing in the game has ever given me the impression that spirits are formed when a mommy spirit and a daddy spirit love each other very much, more that they are formed of the emotions/ideas or somesuch. I highly doubt Solas and Wisdom are the sole progenitors of wisdom spirits.

[Uirebhiril]

So when Cole makes the comment about

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"All new, faded for her," we all know what the words rearrange to. But might he also have been pointing to something other than the fact they were on Solas's trail? He diminished, or something like it, at the call of another? If we're putting together cryptic comments.

[Solas]

lololol

 

Cassandra:  That Elvish word Solas uses to refer to you… it’s a term of endearment, if I’m not mistaken.

Lavellan:  You mean vhenan?

Cassandra:  Yes, that one.  What does it translate to exactly?

Lavellan:  It means “heart.”

Cassandra:  So Solas calls you “heart” then?  That’s very… (sigh) romantic.

Lavellan:  (laughs) Maybe Varric will include us in his next Swords & Shields book!

Cassandra:  (disgruntled noise) Let’s hope not.

so on point!!

[Miss This or That]

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Nothing in the game has ever given me the impression that spirits are formed when a mommy spirit and a daddy spirit love each other very much, more that they are formed of the emotions/ideas or somesuch. I highly doubt Solas and Wisdom are the sole progenitors of wisdom spirits.

 

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Or maybe they are/were and Blackwall was right all along about bouncing dem bits with spirits. Kiddin'

[Ven'inan]

Omg.

 

Let's all take a moment to appreciate this soundfile right here: http://serkonanteati...muttier-version

 

Possibly... or definitely NSFW

[roselavellan]

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He was an explorer - he himself told that to Inquisitor. He said that he grew in a small village - that Leliana's agents have found, so it WAS a physical place - and there was not much to do there (what is curious that he says "especially for a young man gifted with magic". Weren't all elves magical then? Or were there elves with especially strong magical gift? I mean, the game goes out of its way to call the Evanuris elven mages, which means that not all elves might have actually wielded magic, even if all of them could use it in some capacity)

 

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I took it to mean that he was especially gifted with magic. He was gifted enough to rise to prominence possibly even rivalling the Evanuris in their power, right? Quite an achievement for a boy from a quiet village.

[Bayonet Hipshot]

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Both theories would make a lot of sense. He either gained power through some form of training (or his spirit was rare and marvellous as is) or through Mythal's help. It would also make sense for him to free slaves if this were true, as he never wanted to be bound in the first place - but he either let it happen because of Mythal or it made him into this Pride 'demon' that she could use to further her agenda. 

 

Also: This would explain why Solas does not consider modern elves his people. Not because they were severed by the Veil, but because they had never been spirits in their early stages of life. Thus, only spirits and the ancient elves would be his people, since they are basically two sides of the same coin, connected by the same roots. Modern elves never came to exist the way he and the elves of old did, thus they aren't filled with the same amount of deep emotions and can never dream to truly understand him. But Quizzy is different, somehow.

 

I'm calling it now - Inquisitor's parents had orgies with spirits while conceiving the Inquisitor as a child. Their parents don't remember it because the spirits made them forget about it.

[BoscoBread]

So when Cole makes the comment about

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"All new, faded for her," we all know what the words rearrange to. But might he also have been pointing to something other than the fact they were on Solas's trail? He diminished, or something like it, at the call of another? If we're putting together cryptic comments.

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Also...it's sort of a sad reflection - it's a spirit of wisdom, corrupted into a pride demon after being exposed to this world and even though you try to fix them they have to be killed out of mercy.  I was never really on board with this but with Cole's dialogue, I could see how Solas would be. It would explain his affect as well. I mean, for all intents and purposes. He's a person.  Much like Cole turned human.  But it's interesting. 

 

I maintain that everything in DA:I or the big things at least are ciphers for something else. Or to get you used to a concept.  Cole is there to give you a better understanding of spirits and how they can change.  Blackwall is there to show you redemption.  Samson/Red Lyrium armor - to show that people are resistant to it and that it makes the user more powerful(yello Andruil).  Dorian is to get you ready for Tevinter and show you that not all magister are maniacs and that Tevinter may be worth saving.  an so on.

[panamakira]

Super-spoilery video under spoilery tag:

 

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I just saw this video based on having a negative relationship with Solas and DANG if you don't get full on Fen'Harel at the end when he's about to remove the mark.

That looked pretty scary. Also did the sound and video change a bit? Remember when you get close to talking to him the screen becomes a bit dark around the edges? It kind of looks a bit like at the end too.

 

Let's just say I don't like Fen'Harel that much or at least how cold and unfeeling he treats those he doesn't like. (Though to be fair the Inquisitor can be an ******* too).

 

 

 

 

[midnight tea]

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I took it to mean that he was especially gifted with magic. He was gifted enough to rise to prominence possibly even rivalling the Evanuris in their power, right? Quite an achievement for a boy from a quiet village.

 

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I think it might have been something that might have gotten him in trouble. Considering that we now know that they were false gods and they did a lot to accumulate their power, what if they eliminated everyone they considered a potential threat - or enslaved them, binding them to their will and therefore diminishing their magical gift, or 'feeding' off them?

 

I mean, it's possible. It would be logical as well, if the picture of Evanuris as it emerges from various lore books, findings in Vir Dirthara or comments of Solas is true - it's possible that especially talented mages and powerful Dreamers might have even be a particularly dangerous threat to them, considering that they probably dug in the Fade so much, that they might have revealed a lot of their dirty secrets, most of (mostly enslaved) elves didn't know of, like the "old songs" or making the earth "forget how to wake up".

 

....Damn, this only supports my speculations that Solas might be - I mean, aside from just being a particularly talented mage at his time - more of a "last of his kind" than we think he is. Like, his whole village was a place for last of truly old elves with particularly strong magical talent that eventually got wiped off existence or enslaved by Evanuris. I wonder if it means that Mythal saved him - even if it meant that she had to 'subdue' him with her vallaslin for a time?

[BoscoBread]

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Hellspiraling over spirit Solas - What he says to Cole about how it hurts to be real.  How he didn't want to be bound.