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[Jaison1986]

Super-spoilery video under spoilery tag:

 

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I just saw this video based on having a negative relationship with Solas and DANG if you don't get full on Fen'Harel at the end when he's about to remove the mark.

That looked pretty scary. Also did the sound and video change a bit? Remember when you get close to talking to him the screen becomes a bit dark around the edges? It kind of looks a bit like at the end too.

 

Let's just say I don't like Fen'Harel that much or at least how cold and unfeeling he treats those he doesn't like. (Though to be fair the Inquisitor can be an ******* too).

 

 

 

 

 

I think this is how Solas originally behaved, when he was just the dread wolf, rather then Solas of the Inquisition. Bitter, cold and alone. This is quite an poignant moment for his character. Were his friendship with the Inquisitor might make all the difference in how he sees the world and the people in it.

[Sable Rhapsody]

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Hellspiraling over spirit Solas - What he says to Cole about how it hurts to be real.  How he didn't want to be bound. 

 

 

Oh god.  And now that banter about how he's NOT a spirit, and sometimes he forgets and envies them...

 

brb crying

[panamakira]

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Doesn't the video prove that by befriending/loving Solas we are pulling him away from the darkness? I think this show how a friend/lover Inquisitor might be able to save him. I was actually very surprised how dark his personality became at the end.

 

Video I'm referencing:

[coldwetn0se]

I am trying to catch up with everything, but I saw that a few people brought up Sera related content from Trespasser.

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I have done two run throughs of Trespasser. First, was one of my Solasmancers who didn't get along terribly well with Sera. The only content I got from her was non-cutscene convo's, at the tavern. Because this PC wasn't on great terms with her, I figured the lack of cutscenes were to be expected.

However, my second run was my Bullmancing F!Dwarf. Those two were thick as thieves. Did all her WT missions, her personal quest (used the Noble dialogue option), did pranks with her, took her on almost all the dragon fights, and had the cookie scene.

Same exact non-cutscene content as the first run through! (and no, my quizzy didn't take of the Well, and kept the Wardens.)

I saw that there was material for more pranks at the Winter Palace, and a drink with other Jenny members at the tavern. She can even ask if you want to be apart of it all.

Anyone have any idea how I am supposed to get this content???



Any help, would be greatly appreciated.


And....Solas. (stupid elf, giving me conflicted feelings )

[FernRain]

On the topic of dragons:

 

Look at what the ingredients are for the demon-slaying runes: dragon blood.

 

I don't know what to think about that.

[Moondreamer01]

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Doesn't the video prove that by befriending/loving Solas we are pulling him away from the darkness? I think this show how a friend/lover Inquisitor might be able to save him. I was actually very surprised how dark his personality became at the end.

 

Video I'm referencing:

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This might well be the Solas Felassan knew...

 

Also, because this just came on my playlist. Solavellan anyone?

 

[midnight tea]

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Please don't yell at me, I'm just trying to keep my mind open to all possibilities. 

 

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Ah.. I wasn't yelling at you^^; In general, I'm using large letters and embolden parts for emphasis, or to underline something interesting, not to yell at people. I sometimes forget that people read that as yelling, so my apologies.

 

 

 

 

I could be reading too much into this. There are hints that he could just have been exactly as he says he is: that he was born in a small village, "there was little to interest a young man, especially one gifted with magic," and he took to exploring the Fade in sleep and dreams because it was filled with more wonders than he ever could have experienced awake. That he learned to dream freely through practice, but he prefers the Fade and now feels more comfortable there because he's been there so long.

 

However, I don't want to completely discount the spirit theory in case there's any truth to it. The devs have also not been very subtle about how "not so different" spirits of Wisdom and Pride are, and how Solas' wisdom is only matched by his pride. And how some of Cole's seemingly random comments that in that Solas might be more than he seems. Cole: "He calls himself Pride." Those who know the Fen'Harel thing and elvish word for pride might think, "Oh, Solas is an alias." But then in Trespasser the Dread Wolf says "I was Solas first. Fen'Harel came later." Which left me (the player) wondering, "Wait, how did he call himself 'Pride' then?"

 

Yes but... I didn't say Solas isn't a spirit - I'm simply saying that everyone is one, or at least began as one. The fact that he calls himself Solas/Pride points to him probably beginning as spirit of Wisdom, but he's been Solas/elf for probably very long, and likely prior to meeting Mythal.

 

Also - don't forget that Cole calls Cassandra Faith and Solas says that her faith defines her: that itself should tell us a lot about origin of not just elves, but likely all living beings.

 

....That of course leaves us with an interesting question - what spirit does Inquisitor embodies/began as? I put my bet on Hope.

 

It's said in "world of Thedas, vol. 1" that spirits of hope are most powerful spirits categorized as benevolent, but are exceedingly rare and hardly ever manifest out of the Fade, because there's rarely anything in physical world that interests them... Maybe this is what baffles Solas so much in Quizzy, or why he says that Lavellan's spirit is so rare and marvellous?

 

Not just because approved Quizzies prove that they're more than what Solas thought could manifest in the real world, but that they manifested at all an retained their 'purity' and effect on people, giving them hope.

 

It would make it all even more poignant, TBH - why he wants to protect elven Inquisitor from inevitable corruption he expects to befall on himself while he puts his plan of restoring elven people to life (and do so in a similar fashion he wants to protect Cole!), why he wants to keep them away from himself (to stop infecting him with hope for redemption or hope for this world), or why he wants Inquisitor to prove him wrong, by giving people will and hope to fight back.

 

 

 

 

In Trespasser, Cole also randomly mentions something about how "he didn't want to be made real, and 'she' pulled him through, and he burned her vallaslin off his face." He may or may not be talking about Solas there, and 'she' may or may not be Mythal, but I don't want to discard it out of hand, especially since Cole says that shortly after we learn that the Dread Wolf went around removing vallaslin from people's faces (if we brought Cole in the party).

 

The Cole's quote is actually "He did not want a  body, but she asked him to come. He left a scar wen he burned her of his face" - it does imply that someone convinced someone else to manifest out of the Fade, but everything else is a guess. A rather interesting and suggestive guess (that it was Mythal and he burned off her vallaslin), but not necessarily 100% accurate.

 

I mean, the fact that he didn't want a body doesn't mean that he didn't have it, just that he wasn't overly-interested with it - after all, he tells to Lavellan "In all my journeys, I never thought I'd meet someone who would turn my attention from the Fade". So he was pretty absorbed with the Fade, even though he had a body, during DAI, but Lavellan - similarly to Mythal - managed to shift his attention back to physical world.

[_Lucinia]

I am trying to catch up with everything, but I saw that a few people brought up Sera related content from Trespasser.

Spoiler

I have done two run throughs of Trespasser. First, was one of my Solasmancers who didn't get along terribly well with Sera. The only content I got from her was non-cutscene convo's, at the tavern. Because this PC wasn't on great terms with her, I figured the lack of cutscenes were to be expected.

However, my second run was my Bullmancing F!Dwarf. Those two were thick as thieves. Did all her WT missions, her personal quest (used the Noble dialogue option), did pranks with her, took her on almost all the dragon fights, and had the cookie scene.

Same exact non-cutscene content as the first run through! (and no, my quizzy didn't take of the Well, and kept the Wardens.)

I saw that there was material for more pranks at the Winter Palace, and a drink with other Jenny members at the tavern. She can even ask if you want to be apart of it all.

Anyone have any idea how I am supposed to get this content???



Any help, would be greatly appreciated.


And....Solas. (stupid elf, giving me conflicted feelings )

It sounds like it might have been bugged.  I'm sorry

 

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I double checked on youtube because I couldn't remember exactly what the conversation was when we did the pranks at the Winter Palace.  It was pretty much the first dialogue option, either do pranks or don't.  Directly after that there's more conversation and that's when she asks if you wanted to be a Red Jenny after everything is said and done.  From what I can tell a non-friend Inquisitor gets the other very curt convo.  If you did pranks in Skyhold and got the cookies scene I would say it read your save wrong.  Man that really sucks. 

[midnight tea]

I think this is how Solas originally behaved, when he was just the dread wolf, rather then Solas of the Inquisition. Bitter, cold and alone. This is quite an poignant moment for his character. Were his friendship with the Inquisitor might make all the difference in how he sees the world and the people in it.

 

Haha, I predicted long before Trespasser that DAI might literally be the game of "taming of the wolf" - and it turns out to be pretty much exactly that!

[coldwetn0se]

There is a bug going around making the DLC does not always pick up your actions in your save. Check your journal and see if anything you completed is missing. If so, you might have that bug.

I have experienced some of the bugs, but that wasn't one I had heard of. Unfortunately, it is too late for Mace Cadash. lol! I had finished her up over the weekend, and I did some house cleaning - so to speak - with some of saves. I am pretty meticulous though on checking the journal (old habit from when we thought that would help with the "banter bug".

So I didn't miss anything, from what I listed at least?

And thank you for replying! Much appreciated.....and I am out of "likes". So have a

[roselavellan]

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....Damn, this only supports my speculations that Solas might be - I mean, aside from just being a particularly talented mage at his time - more of a "last of his kind" than we think he is. Like, his whole village was a place for last of truly old elves with particularly strong magical talent that eventually got wiped off existence or enslaved by Evanuris. I wonder if it means that Mythal saved him - even if it meant that she had to 'subdue' him with her vallaslin for a time?

 

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Right, Mythal might have saved or recruited him... But then how would that fit in with what Cole said?

 

"He did not want a body, but she asked him to come. He left a scar when he burned her off his face."

 

So Mythal gave his spirit a physical entity and installed him in a small village to grow up...? Then recruited/saved him when he came into his power?

 

Edit: Unless it was another of the Evanuris who gave him form and the vallaslin, such as Andruil (wasn't there a post earlier which said that Fen'Harel had to serve Andruil in bed??) and Mythal saved him, and hence his emotional bond with her.

[coldwetn0se]

It sounds like it might have been bugged.  I'm sorry
 

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I double checked on youtube because I couldn't remember exactly what the conversation was when we did the pranks at the Winter Palace.  It was pretty much the first dialogue option, either do pranks or don't.  Directly after that there's more conversation and that's when she asks if you wanted to be a Red Jenny after everything is said and done.  From what I can tell a non-friend Inquisitor gets the other very curt convo.  If you did pranks in Skyhold and got the cookies scene I would say it read your save wrong.  Man that really sucks. 

Well nutz! Whelp, here is hoping my Dorianmancer (who also got on splendidly with her), will have better luck. Thank you as well for the info...still outta likes, so instead.

[RynJ]

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Basically if you think about it, he was afraid Cole would become like him if we hypothetically say Solas was once a spirit and can never be one again.

 

He wants Cole to stay a spirit because he regrets not doing the same, and he doesn't want Cole to go through anything like he has.

 

Well darn. I didn't need these feelings tonight. Possibly former spirit Solas will be the death of me. 

[Sable Rhapsody]

He wants Cole to stay a spirit because he regrets not doing the same, and he doesn't want Cole to go through anything like he has.

 

Well darn. I didn't need these feelings tonight. Possibly former spirit Solas will be the death of me. 

 

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So...then what would happen if Solas dies?  He says that spirits just go back to the Fade, but he's not a spirit any more.  But he IS different from normal mortals still.  I wonder if some part of him would go back to the Fade?

 

Maybe that's what happened with Mythal when she was first murdered.  She lost her body and a lot of her power, but she went back to the Fade, gradually reformed, and found Flemeth.

[Sable Rhapsody]

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Hmmm... he told Lavellan he didn't want her to see what he becomes. Maybe tearing down the Veil will make him nothing but a spirit again that fades away like Wisdom?

 

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Or something monstrous, like a Pride demon, if he has to do really horrible things.

[midnight tea]

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Hmmm... he told Lavellan he didn't want her to see what he becomes. Maybe tearing down the Veil will make him nothing but a spirit again that fades away like Wisdom?

 

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I think whatever he's planning to do will destroy him - he'll either become corrupted, he'll forget about himself or he'll turn himself into Tranquil at the end of it.

[MayriyaNoori]

So...I think I may have missed something

 

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Is there anything outside of Solas' friendship/admiration of Mythal to suggest he was summoned by Mythal and not another member of the Evanuris?

 

I mean, there are three other females members we know of...though I doubt Ghilan'nain since she was considered the youngest(and re reading one codex about her makes me think Solas was already a major player in Elvhenan by the time she rose to power)...so there is still Sylaise and Andruil.

 

I'm just asking in case I missed something.

 

Also....

 

Can I just say that I think it's cute that June was called clever. =) Which, if he was a Clever Spirit.....I wonder what the corrupt version of that is.....

 

[FernRain]

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Did we find out what these were in trespasser (aside from their function)?:
 

 
I was hoping it had something to do with dragons. Eggs like those found in the Frostback Basin that the Hakkonites were scared of:
 

[Jaderail]

I feel like there is very little keeping Solas

 

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tethered to the current world, only the Inquisitor has really done anything to change his mind and that is a very difficult spot to be in. To know you have the power to restore what was, but the cost is the world that now exists, and most of all the one person that makes that world seem real.

 

I have a feeling that if I were in Solas' shoes (or lack thereof) and had the power to restore the world as it was, I think I might do the same thing... it sounds terrible, but put yourself in his position. That's why I can't quite understand how people can't even remotely sympathize with his predicament, when if they truly thought about it, they'd likely make the same decisions. Sacrifice the current world for the world you knew, with the people you knew and loved, when the current world seems so cold, disconnected, and distant and full of strangers. That's why I love the low approval ending of Trespasser, because Solas doesn't seem quite as upset about his decision. He's definitely sad that he has to do it, but there is a lot less holding him back when the Inquisitor is not befriended or his vhenan.