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[Moondreamer01]

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Did we find out what these were in trespasser (aside from their function)?:
 

 
I was hoping it had something to do with dragons. Eggs like those found in the Frostback Basin that the Jaws of Hakkon were scared of:
 

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I think stylistically they probably represent dragon eggs, seeing as dragons and evanuris are pretty tight in the codex we find. Apart from that, they're probably nothing more than constructs to work the bridges

[Jayla]

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Thing is... EVERYONE is spirit made flesh, in one way, or another.

 

It's made rather clear through all the hints we get. Cole can be pushed into becoming "fully human" - Solas says this himself. And he gushes about Lavellan having "rare and marvellous spirit" or says (to approved Lavellans) "if the Dalish could raise someone with a spirit like yours... have I misjudged them?".

 

Then there's a poem Inquisitor reads to Cassandra in her romance scene. The book the poem is in is actually on Chantry's list of forbidden books, which makes it even more interesting.

 

It ends like this:
"The body opens, my spirit there. Not merely housed in flesh, but brought to life"

 

So, there you have it.

 

 

Also - one of the codexes in Shattered Library mentions that "those who have never manifested outside of the Fade" have an easier time finding the roots of it. I think Solas was close to that - as every ancient elf, he was more than a spirit, but too complex to just embody one emotion. With that said, I don't know if he was indeed only just a spirit - merely someone with something of a vague physical form, more interested with the Fade itself.

 

He was an explorer - he himself told that to Inquisitor. He said that he grew in a small village - that Leliana's agents have found, so it WAS a physical place - and there was not much to do there (what is curious that he says "especially for a young man gifted with magic". Weren't all elves magical then? Or were there elves with especially strong magical gift? I mean, the game goes out of its way to call the Evanuris elven mages, which means that not all elves might have actually wielded magic, even if all of them could use it in some capacity)

 

...But when Solas slept, spirits showed him wonders he could've never imagined. Then he says "being awake, out of the Fade, became troublesome". So he himself does imply that there WAS some sort of physical manifestation of himself when he was very young (whatever that means for ancient elves).

 

I think Solas was someone so absorbed with the Fade that he either almost completely forgot of the world outside and whatever physical form he had or maybe even began... well... fading. It might be that at some point he met Mythal during his travels in the Fade and she - seeing the boy's potential - talked him into exploring not just the Fade, but the world.

 

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Highlighting "especially for a young man gifted with magic", since he tells us in the same conversation tree when asking about elves that they all had magic, I think "gifted" should have been emphasized more to say he was particularly good at it. Like any mage in modern thedas, there's varying degrees of skill. Minaeve for example, she's got the connection enough to be a danger to people, but not enough skill to be higher than an apprentice.

 

So Solas grew up in a small village with other elves, not a part of the main empire so probably not a slave. His fellow villagers have magic and use it for the normal mundane things, but Solas is particularly skilled with it. There's no one around to teach him (or no one good enough), and so he takes to wandering the Fade, perhaps getting teachers from spirits and building friendships with them.

 

(PS: I know this comment is a couple of pages back so apologies if this has already been mentioned.

[FernRain]

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I think stylistically they probably represent dragon eggs, seeing as dragons and evanuris are pretty tight in the codex we find. Apart from that, they're probably nothing more than constructs to work the bridges

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It seems odd that the power to morph the crossroads comes from a (dragon?) egg. Hmm.

[OhDaniGirl28]

I don't know if this has been discussed yet (so many pages!), but

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in The Tiniest Cave mission, one of the things the little voice says:

"Deviating from the plan. No accounting for whimsy. Small differences lead to fatal consequences. I'm sorry."

So...maybe it isn't the chaos of the veil being torn down that supposedly kills everyone? Maybe it some fundamental difference between ancient and modern people that's the problem. If this is even referenceing the ending. I don't know where I'm going with this.

[FernRain]

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Cole's comment on Qunari and red lyrium. Also note the vials of dragon's blood on the table:

 

[Jayla]

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Cole's comment on Qunari and red lyrium. Also note the vials of dragon's blood on the table:

 

 

Ooh! Also one of the war table missions in the main game (quite late, it's about finding a weakness for Cory's dragon. I think it unlocks when you've killed 10 dragons) can involve dissecting a dragon, and they find a cyst that -when cut open- has some Blight in it, and it looks the same for any other dragon they cut open, which leads the the researchers to conclude that all dragons have some Blight, but are incredibly resistant to it.

 

I wonder if this links...[/spoiler]

[Sable Rhapsody]

Ooh! Also one of the war table missions in the main game (quite late, it's about finding a weakness for Cory's dragon. I think it unlocks when you've killed 10 dragons) can involve dissecting a dragon, and they find a cyst that -when cut open- has some Blight in it, and it looks the same for any other dragon they cut open, which leads the the researchers to conclude that all dragons have some Blight, but are incredibly resistant to it.

 

I wonder if this links...[/spoiler]

 

Ah, I never got that.  I could never bring myself to kill the dragons with my Lavellan, unless they were a significant danger to people (ie; the Ferelden Frostback, the three in Emprise du Lion).  She thinks they're beautiful.

[NightSymphony]

Ah, I never got that.  I could never bring myself to kill the dragons with my Lavellan, unless they were a significant danger to people (ie; the Ferelden Frostback, the three in Emprise du Lion).  She thinks they're beautiful.

My Lavellan can't kill them either. She hates killing any animal unless they attack her first. So..I also never got that. She also won't kill the Wyvren for Vivienne.

[Renmiri1]

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I think whatever he's planning to do will destroy him - he'll either become corrupted, he'll forget about himself or he'll turn himself into Tranquil at the end of it.

Dinanshiral

Din - death

an - place

shiral - journey

[Cee]

Mine killed all the dragons but wouldn't kill nugs, halla, fennecs, snowfleurs, etc.

 

Given you can just stumble upon most of the dragons, I'd call that a danger of some sort. They can fly, you know.

[RedMagister]

I feel like there is very little keeping Solas

 

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tethered to the current world, only the Inquisitor has really done anything to change his mind and that is a very difficult spot to be in. To know you have the power to restore what was, but the cost is the world that now exists, and most of all the one person that makes that world seem real.

 

I have a feeling that if I were in Solas' shoes (or lack thereof) and had the power to restore the world as it was, I think I might do the same thing... it sounds terrible, but put yourself in his position. That's why I can't quite understand how people can't even remotely sympathize with his predicament, when if they truly thought about it, they'd likely make the same decisions. Sacrifice the current world for the world you knew, with the people you knew and loved, when the current world seems so cold, disconnected, and distant and full of strangers. That's why I love the low approval ending of Trespasser, because Solas doesn't seem quite as upset about his decision. He's definitely sad that he has to do it, but there is a lot less holding him back when the Inquisitor is not befriended or his vhenan.

 

The writers did say he respects the Inq regardless of relationship- so even if you punch him. i think.

[Cee]

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Or something monstrous, like a Pride demon, if he has to do really horrible things.

 

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I am taken back to

 

L: I never thought of you as someone who would do that, Solas.

S: *sad puppy look* Thank you.

 

So very much is said there, both spoken and unspoken. She saw the side of him that she continues to believe in and draw hope from, and he's grateful, and likely sadder and more hurt and relieved simultaneously, that that is the case.

 

i didn't expect more layers of sad but they were tempered with hope.

 

[Arvaarad]

The writers did say he respects the Inq regardless of relationship- so even if you punch him. i think.

Be that as it may, his response to

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"we aren't even people to you?" is "that is hardly your fault" instead of "not at first". So for a low approval inquisitor, he basically confirms "yep, you're not a person, but I don't hold it against you."

[MayriyaNoori]

Speaking of mean Solas quotes.....

 

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Solas: Tell me, Inquisitor..... How does it feel?

 

Quizzy: How does what feel?

 

Solas: Being you. Are you blissfully unaware....or deep inside is some part of you banging on the walls screaming.

 

 

....buuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuurn.

 

[Jayla]

Ah, I never got that.  I could never bring myself to kill the dragons with my Lavellan, unless they were a significant danger to people (ie; the Ferelden Frostback, the three in Emprise du Lion).  She thinks they're beautiful.

 

I did for my Lavellan because she's my completionist playthrough (as completionist as I get anyway), but I think my Trev will have the same sentimentality as yours, she being all nobley Warrior and everything.

[NightSymphony]

*sighs*  Just saw this on my Facebook newsfeed.. 

 

https://scontent.xx....804&oe=56AAFA5F

[RynJ]

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I think it's pretty interesting that Solas not only saves you regardless of approval, he tells you everything regardless of approval too. Strange coming from someone who would supposedly sacrifice everything to get what he wants. One could argue that he truly thinks nobody can stop him at this point, but I feel like Solas knows better than to underestimate the Inquisitor, or just that he wouldn't want to take a risk during this crucial task.

 

Maybe a part of him really does want to be stopped. Or he wants to give modern Thedas a fighting chance? Who knows, these are just far too tired ramblings. 

 

 

 

Speaking of mean Solas quotes.....

 

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Solas: Tell me, Inquisitor..... How does it feel?

 

Quizzy: How does what feel?

 

Solas: Being you. Are you blissfully unaware....or deep inside is some part of you banging on the walls screaming.

 

 

....buuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuurn.

 

 

 

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This line takes on pretty harsh connotations when you remember how he sees the people of modern Thedas (akin to Tranquil, etc).

 

[Jayla]

Speaking of mean Solas quotes.....

 

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Solas: Tell me, Inquisitor..... How does it feel?

 

Quizzy: How does what feel?

 

Solas: Being you. Are you blissfully unaware....or deep inside is some part of you banging on the walls screaming.

 

 

....buuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuurn.

 

 

I'm going to do a m!Lavellan Mage playthrough and he's going to get all of Solas' hate. I love Solas anyway, but there's something fiery about listening to him insult the Inquisitor. xD

 

I love how people are still sort of spoilering stuff that doesn't really need it. xD

[Kittn]

Regarding spirits, Solas and what Cole said in Trespasser:

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I appear to be in the minority here, but I really hope Cole's talking about someone else, or it doesn't mean what a lot of people are theorizing it does.

I don't think we need another Cole or Origin-slain Leliana. It feels like Solas turning out to be a spirit that was pulled out of the fade and made flesh ages ago would somehow cheapen everything else since then. Does that make sense? To me, everything he's been through and done would mean more if he were a talented flesh and blood elf from the get go. Like some of the posts before, I believe gifted ancient elves could shapeshift with a thought, and alter not only themselves, but the world around them. I like the idea that he was one of those.

Solas said he's always been who he is. Only him. That's good enough for me. And I might be alone, but I really hope it stays that way.

Which means I'll have to keep looking for other explanations for Cole's words. Don't suppose anyone has poked Mister Weekes about it for even a tiny hint? Blat. He'd probably just answer with a River Song. Hrmmm. Well, Cullen has a scar on his face...

...Nope, that'd just be weird.

Doom.

[Solas]

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I think it's pretty interesting that Solas not only saves you regardless of approval, he tells you everything regardless of approval too. Strange coming from someone who would supposedly sacrifice everything to get what he wants. One could argue that he truly thinks nobody can stop him at this point, but I feel like Solas knows better than to underestimate the Inquisitor, or just that he wouldn't want to take a risk during this crucial task.

 

Maybe a part of him really does want to be stopped. Or he wants to give modern Thedas a fighting chance? Who knows, these are just far too tired ramblings. 

 

 

 

 

 

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This line takes on pretty harsh connotations when you remember how he sees the people of modern Thedas (akin to Tranquil, etc).

 

(horrified face)