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[midnight tea]

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I'm not sure how much of it was Solas himself changing, than it was his perspective changing. Understanding his perspective seems to be crucial to understanding why Solas does what he does. The line between harsh but ultimately necessary and "hurting real, truly alive people for reasons that might actually be crap, now that I've been around and learned some more" is blurring for him hardcore. I think that's the main thing about him that changed since the Felassan incident. I think that ruthlessness will always comes out when he believes it to be truly needed and necessary and that it hasn't really gone away. But hey, all of our PCs carve through people like a turkey dinner. Some degree of ruthlessness is always around with everyone in the DA world. 

 

 

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Out of likes for today so... agreed. I think it's predominantly a matter of perspective. Even at the very beginning we see him leaning to help people in Hinterlands refugee camp and lamenting the sorry state of things that hurt innocent people - while Inquisitor (or Cassandra, or Varric) might have already pleasantly surprised him at that time, they couldn't realistically have made that much of an impression on him (especially that we can only get his friendship-affirming cut scene only some time after reaching Skyhold) to change his mind and accept that he was wrong.

 

It's like he can't help himself - his heart goes out to people, even as he plans to destroy them.... Frikking angst squared. Who would have thought I'd get more angst in western production that I'd ever get in even the angstiest anime!?

 

In fact Solas should change his name to "Angst: The Last Ancient Would-be God"

[Sable Rhapsody]

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Solas carries so much damn baggage. Like no wonder he fell for Lavellan so quickly and so hard. The fact people in Thedas are "real" is something that is splitting Solas apart but yet he won't give up on his plan. Thank you for explaining further.

 

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Thinking about the romance from his perspective has always made it 1000 times sadder and more poignant for me.  Especially now after Trespasser, those early romance scenes.  I joke about Lavellan being his cute not-person gremlin  But it must have been so confusing and strange for him, curiosity turning into a heady rush of feels for this beautiful woman who literally fell into his life.  He reaches out to Sera at first to see if any vestige of his people remains in the modern elves--and finds it in Lavellan when he least expected it.

 

 

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I managed to pretty much choose the feelsiest options, I think. But I like how even the sad option leads you to tell him "But you lied to me. I loved you. Did you really think I wouldn't have understood?"

 

*cue sad puppy* "Ir abelas, vhenan"

 

I love the line that follows.

 

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"Tel'abelas. If you really care, give me the truth."

 

Alix Wilton Regan's delivery is absolutely perfect.  Lavellan sounds so hurt, but also 100% determined not to let Solas get out of this one.  She's completely over his half-truths and evasions, and she wants a straight answer for a change.  It's also a nice line on a meta-level; being sorry isn't going to fix anything.  He can be sorry all he likes, and it won't make a damn difference if his actions don't change as well.

[RynJ]

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Out of likes for today so... agreed. I think it's predominantly a matter of perspective. Even at the very beginning we see him leaning to help people in Hinterlands refugee camp and lamenting the sorry state of things that hurt innocent people - while Inquisitor (or Cassandra, or Varric) might have already pleasantly surprised him at that time, they couldn't realistically have really made that much of an impression on him (especially that we can only get his friendship-affirming cut scene only some time after reaching Skyhold) to change his mind and accept that he was wrong.

 

It's like he can;t help himself - his heart goes out to people, even as he plans to destroy them.... Frikking angst squared. Who would have thought I'd get more angst in western production that I'd ever get in even the angstiest anime!?

 

In fact Solas should change his name to "Angst: The Last Ancient Would-be God"

 

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Yep. Solas is Solas. I don't think he's any better or worse than he was when he killed Felassan. He was never a bad person in my view, his perspective was just very much skewed (understandably, perhaps, but skewed nonetheless) and now he's starting to wake the heck up and that compassion and guilt of his is fighting him hard. 

 

Also, this might just get more anime yet so hold onto your manga. We just might be saving Solas with "the power of friendship", after all! 

 

[midnight tea]

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I managed to pretty much choose the feelsiest options, I think. But I like how even the sad option leads you to tell him "But you lied to me. I loved you. Did you really think I wouldn't have understood?"

 

*cue sad puppy* "Ir abelas, vhenan"

 

 

 

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From that option I think I like the ending for it the most: we can see him taking a step back as she unleashes her own sads - he's the Dread Wolf of legends, who created the Veil and struck the elvhen gods down, who just turned the secret division of Ben-Hassarath into stone and has a plan to destroy the world, but he can barely confront a small, battered woman standing in front of him and has trouble looking her in the eye.

 

This is just so... so... well there's hardly any other word to properly describe it - this is so CUTE.

[Kittn]

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I managed to pretty much choose the feelsiest options, I think. But I like how even the sad option leads you to tell him "But you lied to me. I loved you. Did you really think I wouldn't have understood?"
 
*cue sad puppy* "Ir abelas, vhenan"
 
The angry version is too angry for her. I don't even like the accusatory-ish nature of the way the "You're the Dread Wolf" option sounds in the actual line. For her, I chose the "I came to find you" because qunari were trying to go attempt to kill him and she wanted to get there. That's more her.
 
 

On that note, regarding the line delivery at the end:

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Tiger Festival is voiced by Sumalee Montano. Sometimes I feel like she's the only Lavellan that is but I can't imagine her any other way. Little differences make her a better fit for me. One of those little things is how she sounds when confronting Solas about being Fen'harel before he admits it. It sounds less like she's delivering an accusation, and more like a revelation. I also love the way she gives badass speeches.

I've played through the ending bits so many times now, but I still can't pick the angry ones. I haven't picked the trust one either. She usually goes with the thumbs up "Our people were wrong" Which leads to him mentioning the burden he has and then her telling him she wants to share it. "Ma ghilana, Vhenan." and it sounds so heartfelt that I just want to ball both of them up and put them in my pocket and keep them safe forever. :C

And that thought just makes me need to know what happens! Ahhhrrrghhh! Is DA4 here yet? No? How about now? Durnit! How in the world are we supposed to survive this infuriatingly indefinite wait? I hate being patient!

[MayriyaNoori]

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From that option I think I like the ending for it: we can see him taking a step back as she unleashes her own sads - he's the Dread Wolf of legends, who created the Veil and struck the elvhen gods down, who just turned the secret division of Ben-Hassarath into stone and has a plan to destroy the world, but he can barely confront a small, battered woman standing in front of him and can barely look her in the eye.

 

This is just so... so... well there's hardly any other word to properly describe it - this is so CUTE.

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When you put it all like that......I mean....Lavellan made someone who named themselves Pride feel real and total shame.

 

Go Lavellan.

 

[Uirebhiril]

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Thinking about the romance from his perspective has always made it 1000 times sadder and more poignant for me.  Especially now after Trespasser, those early romance scenes.  I joke about Lavellan being his cute not-person gremlin  But it must have been so confusing and strange for him, curiosity turning into a heady rush of feels for this beautiful woman who literally fell into his life.  He reaches out to Sera at first to see if any vestige of his people remains in the modern elves--and finds it in Lavellan when he least expected it.

 

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I keep thinking of the one line Lavellan says to Solas. "I look forward to helping you make new friends." And he's all, "that should be... well."

 

He seemed so flustered there, and well. I suppose he really was. Friends with not-people? He had to have been uncertain and confused. 

[Sable Rhapsody]

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Also, this might just get more anime yet so hold onto your manga. We just might be saving Solas with "the power of friendship", after all! 

 

The Power of Friendship has prevailed against Reapers, Cerberus, Archdemons, clones, crazy evil wizards, Sith lords, undead emperors, a couple different would-be gods, Princes of Hell, and almost every other horrible thing BioWare has thrown at us.

 

BRING. IT. ON.

[midnight tea]

Godadamnit, now it's time for me to complain - why am I out of likes!?

 

Have all the           good people, before I evacuate myself to bed.

[RynJ]

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Thinking about the romance from his perspective has always made it 1000 times sadder and more poignant for me.  Especially now after Trespasser, those early romance scenes.  I joke about Lavellan being his cute not-person gremlin  But it must have been so confusing and strange for him, curiosity turning into a heady rush of feels for this beautiful woman who literally fell into his life.  He reaches out to Sera at first to see if any vestige of his people remains in the modern elves--and finds it in Lavellan when he least expected it.

 

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It's depressing how quickly and how hard he falls for someone he has a real, genuine connection with. I mean, this wasn't a normal circumstance. Getting attached to one of the "not real" people should have been something he feared quite a lot, because it could make him doubt his plans to save his people. And yet even under those conditions, he just can't help himself.  He went free falling to the point where he considered GIVING IT ALL UP, and now everything has been thrown so completely out of whack and he's hurting more than ever. You really feel the crushing extent of his loneliness and desperation when you reflect back on his romance after all this. Solas has been through 10x more than most people could ever take.

[Sable Rhapsody]

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It's depressing how quickly and how hard he falls for someone he has a real, genuine connection with. I mean, this wasn't a normal circumstance. Getting attached to one of the "not real" people should have been something he feared quite a lot, because it could make him doubt his plans to save his people. And yet even under those conditions, he just can't help himself.  He went free falling to the point where he considered GIVING IT ALL UP, and now everything has been thrown so completely out of whack and he's hurting more than ever. You really feel the crushing extent of his loneliness and desperation when you reflect back on his romance after all this. Solas has been through 10x more than most people could ever take.

 

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He might have been able to avoid it for that year before the Breach by simply keeping his distance.  Felassan found him in the Fade.  His interactions with people other than his agents were probably minimal, simply because he didn't think there was any point to getting to know modern Thedas.

 

Then he's forced to step in and walk among the plebs, or the only chance for stopping Corypheus perishes.  So he reveals himself to the fledgling Inquisition and saves Lavellan.  At the beginning of DA:I, he only promises to stay until the Breach is sealed.  And instead, as karmic payment for saving her life, he falls in love with her.

[Lunapur]

This song so beautiful it made me cry  Lyrics into expanded description 

 

[panamakira]

OMG I'm dying at this......LOL

Solas does love talking.....on the flipside an Inquisitor that does not?

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His reaction is priceless. Oh man. 

[CapricornSun]

Art post. I'm still catching up to the thread so I don't know if these have been posted before or not.

 

Non-Trespasser Art

 

Pretty art of Solas and Lavellan.

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Source: http://glitterfang.t...in-and-you-know

 

 

Solas in fancy clothing and black clothing.

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Source: http://oddmoy.tumblr...thing-i-made-in

 

 

 

Solas and veilfire.

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Source: http://kapteeniartss...e-stuff-in-this

 

 

Modern AU: Solas in a beret.

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Source: http://niklisson.tum...et-i-was-sleepy

 

 

The elven trinity of "It's not you, it's me." (Zevran, Fenris, and Solas.)

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Source: http://lydiaencyclop...-not-you-its-me

 

 

Modern AU Fenris, Solas, and Zevran.

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Source: http://niklisson.tum...-obviously-have

 

 

Some more awesome sketches by esuerc. (With Inquisitor Batman?)

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Source: http://esuerc.tumblr...us-cullen-thats

 

 

And the rest of the sketches.

 

 

Draw your OTP like this. (lol, Solas in the background. xD)

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Source: http://sanzosin.tumb...arately-as-well

 

 

 

 

Trespasser Art (SPOILERS)

 

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Beautiful artwork of Solas and Lavellan.

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Source: http://shalizeh7.tum...age-inquisition

 

 

"What is the old Dalish curse? May the Dread Wolf take you?" (Gorgeous artwork. )

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Source: http://herfierywrath...6697535/what-is

 

 

Ma ghilana mir din’an, vhenan, and grant me the strength to take you with me. 

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Source: http://sionid.tumblr...nd-grant-me-the

 

 

"Do what you want with my body." Not quite exactly what she had in mind... 

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Source: http://dancinfox.tum...nd-listening-to

 

 

Solas in that sexy armor. 

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Source: http://mellorianjart...f-armor-cause-i

 

 

Solas tarot card.

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Source: http://doodle-kocha....atelove-the-egg

 

 

"Enjoy what time you have left." Oh my... ^__^;

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Source: http://trashwarden.t...because-i-still

 

[Ramification]

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It's depressing how quickly and how hard he falls for someone he has a real, genuine connection with. I mean, this wasn't a normal circumstance. Getting attached to one of the "not real" people should have been something he feared quite a lot, because it could make him doubt his plans to save his people. And yet even under those conditions, he just can't help himself.  He went free falling to the point where he considered GIVING IT ALL UP, and now everything has been thrown so completely out of whack and he's hurting more than ever. You really feel the crushing extent of his loneliness and desperation when you reflect back on his romance after all this. Solas has been through 10x more than most people could ever take.

 

Oh and that balcony scene...

 

Solas is all..."So hey, kinda back to start this thing up again with you I think?" and Levellan is like "well ok". She steps up to him with her hands behind her back and doesn't touch him. She waits for him. She positions herself so he's looking down at her with a huge cliff in the back ground. At first, I thought this was just pretty framing of a romantic scene. I was wrong. This was a man peering over a precipice working up the courage to jump. It's sooooo clear now. 

 

 

O teh dramaz.

[Suketchi]

I don't know why either...?

 

I think it might be something to do with how June is the least-mentioned of all the Pantheon in any stories we've heard about them, aside from that he apparently likes to make stuff. June seems to come across like Hephaestus in Greek Mythology, a dork who instead of causing mayhem among mortals, preferred to stay out out everyone's way because it's far more fun to make awesome toys to play with.

 

For all we know, he could have been more like Doctor Doom and the maker of mass superweapons... and is it wrong that that excites me even more?

 

 

You had me at 'Doctor Doom'. I've never really been into the Pantheon before, but I just might have to check out this June guy...

[Sifr]

Art post. I'm still catching up to the thread so I don't know if these have been posted before or not.

 

Non-Trespasser Art

 

Some more awesome sketches by esuerc. (With Inquisitor Batman?)

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Source: http://esuerc.tumblr...us-cullen-thats

 

 

 

All hail the Batquisitor!

 

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"Tell me... do you bleed? You will!"

 

[Siha]

Sorry to ask what probably should be obvious but... (about Felassan:)

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Solas killed Felassan? Has this been known for a while now? I never read the books but when you spoke about it before I didn't learn this detail. Would somebody care to give me a very brief summary of how Felassan and Solas were involved and what master plan Felassan was willing to sacrifice for love?

 

About Trespasser choices:

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I started to feel a bit annoyed that we don't get the option to actually side with Solas. I think we can express some understanding but we cannot say "I think you should totally do this and I will support you as best as I can, down with the veil!" Somehow we are forced into maintaining the world as it is. Not that I want to make another choice personally (I haven't actually made up my mind yet) but I want to have the option at least. From a gameplay perspective this choice doesn't mean too much; I could simply fail in the attempt. So why do I have to oppose Solas's plan?

 

In general, are there any choices in Trespasser that actually mean something or that will play out differently? My current assumption is no but I am not sure.

 

About the inquisitor's arm:

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Does the inquisitor simply assume that amputating the arm will save her or is this confirmed? Solas didn't say something like "If you keep the mark..." but simply "Eventually, the mark will kill you." Will. No options. 

I very much liked this. That the mark means a death sentence and that the inquisitor tries to avoid this fate by removing her own arm. But I would somehow prefer this to be in vain. In the end, we speak powerful magic here. It would feel like a cheap solution to trick it that easily...

[Sable Rhapsody]

Just replayed the romance ending of Trespasser.  These feels get more painful, not less, with time 

 

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Why do I have the horrible feeling that neither of them are going to survive Solas's stupid-ass plan?

[Solas]

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Not super brief sorry but a summary

 

it was suspected since DA:I came out and confirmed to like 95% confidence levels in trespasser

^siha

[Cee]

Just replayed the romance ending of Trespasser.  These feels get more painful, not less, with time 

 

I haven't replayed yet, but I did watch again. I found a video with all my same choices. But I'd like to replay and also take better screens.
 

[Sifr]

Sorry to ask what probably should be obvious but... (about Felassan:)

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Solas killed Felassan? Has this been known for a while now? I never read the books but when you spoke about it before I didn't learn this detail. Would somebody care to give me a very brief summary of how Felassan and Solas were involved and what master plan Felassan was willing to sacrifice for love?

 

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Solas obliquely mentions Felassan at the end of Trespasser, when he says that he had an agent fail to get him the password to the Eluvians from Briala. Cole seems to confirm that Solas killed Felassan if you cycle through the dialogue he says when you click on him, which gives us this;

 

"His friend had to die. He thought they were people. A slow arrow dies in the sad wolves jaws..."

[Siha]

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Not super brief sorry but a summary

 

it was suspected since DA:I came out and confirmed to like 95% confidence levels in trespasser

^siha

 

 

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Solas obliquely mentions Felassan at the end of Trespasser, when he says that he had an agent fail to get him the password to the Eluvians from Briala. Cole seems to confirm that Solas killed Felassan if you cycle through the dialogue he says when you click on him, which gives us this;

 

"His friend had to die. He thought they were people. A slow arrow dies in the sad wolves jaws..."

 

Thank you both for explaining. I did not understand in Trespasser that he was speaking of Felassan. Maybe because Felassan is not prominent in my head, considering that I never read TME, so he just did not cross my mind. And I did not get Cole's line about the slow arrow (not sure if I would have noticed though).

It's all neatly stitched together.

 

Btw, I was thinking about the ending of Trespasser and what it might mean for DA in the future.

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So, the inquisitor implies she will come after Solas, one way or the other. This bothered me. It could suggest that she will be important in the future, either as the protagonist or a story-influencing NPC. Of course, she might not be but then my choices now would feel empty and meaningless, not good for a fan. But then I thought maybe BioWare will just be brave enough to do what GTA5, The Witcher 3, or AC Syndicate do to varying degrees? Multiple PCs, the inquisitor and a new protagonist. It's not too unlikely considering how this concept gets more and more popular and they have this divided fanbase anyway. Some want the old one back others don't... might be a compromise?

[maia0407]

 

About Trespasser choices:

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I started to feel a bit annoyed that we don't get the option to actually side with Solas. I think we can express some understanding but we cannot say "I think you should totally do this and I will support you as best as I can, down with the veil!" Somehow we are forced into maintaining the world as it is. Not that I want to make another choice personally (I haven't actually made up my mind yet) but I want to have the option at least. From a gameplay perspective this choice doesn't mean too much; I could simply fail in the attempt. So why do I have to oppose Solas's plan?

 

In general, are there any choices in Trespasser that actually mean something or that will play out differently? My current assumption is no but I am not sure.

 

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My guess is that the choice to help Solas wasn't offered to set up the protagonist in the next game as working for the Inquisitor.