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[midnight tea]

There's a Marie-Antoinette and French Revolution joke to make here...

 

MA: What, no bread? Well, let them eat cake!

Everyone else: But... the cake is a lie!

 

.........

 

I'll see myself out.

[Jayla]

OT, and this might be my childhood catching up with me, but did anyone have their Inquisitor form a bond with their mounts? Also did anyone assign specific mounts to certain companions*? It was something I enjoyed in TME where Michel pays attention to his horse and seemed to have bonded with it (although I can't remember what happened to it now).

 

My girl bought every mount on that signpost, but she only ever stuck with the brown one Master Dennet gave her. I actually haven't named him. D: I should probably do that.

 

*If any of you say a Pride of Arlathan for Solas I'm allowed to throw pie at you. Just sayin'.

[Jayla]

MA: What, no bread? Well, let them eat cake!

Everyone else: But... the cake is a lie!

 

.........

 

I'll see myself out.

 

 

Edit: Someone had to do it.

[drosophila]

He's deeply delusional. Like you can see that he's convinced what he is doing is the ONLY way and no matter how hard you wave your tiny gremlin arms in his face screaming "SOLAS! I'm a Dalish elf with power! People respect me! We can do this differently!", he's like "No tiny gremlin vhenan! this is the only way.  i have to undo my mistake by unmaking the world to stop the false gods who wanted to destroy the world. NEVER FORGET ME TINY GREMLIN!" 

 

And you're just ike 'huh???? but..you're doing the same thing!'

 

You make me laugh.     

 

Now, in all seriousness, I think part of the issue is that Immortality and living in a world where you can change everything at will does not really build character and prepare one to deal with loss. I think he's living in some state of denial where his rational side realizes his plan won't bring back what he's lost, but his reptile brain is screeching out, "What do you mean it's gone? What do you mean I can't bring it all back? What do you mean I can't possibly fix my mistake? No, I just have to keep trying and reality will bend to my will!" 

[drosophila]

There's a Marie-Antoinette and French Revolution joke to make here...

 

I was making the joke Ineptly.

[Sable Rhapsody]

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Mine is like that, open, and she's still determined to be more careful, but is also trying to make sure it doesn't change her, or who she is. Although it did hurt to find out he seeded spies, she couldn't help but wonder if he might have also been making sure she was okay too. Even as he was putting his terrible plans into place, some part of her wondered. But becoming bitter or losing herself would not put her in the mindset she needs to be in for this 'save him from himself' plan to work.

 

 

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I think deep down, my Lavellan is just as sweet and forgiving as she was in Inquisition.  But she doesn't really show it any more, except to the people who know her.  She's quieter, more cautious, less outwardly emotional.  She's learned to wear the mask of courtesy.  Solas might be too compromised himself to capitalize on her emotional state, but that doesn't mean his agents and army share the same reservations.

[AutumnOracle]

In the World of Thedas 2 I haven't seen them mention other continents.  Just a lot of history into this one.  They purposefully keep a lot of information vague.  For instance Solas has an appearance but it still refers to him as a hobo apostate(my paraphasing).  It hints like all the rest of the world that something has to exist outside...but not much more than that kind of read between the lines.

 

I particularly appreciated one point where they had a little excerpt of Cassandra's childhood.  And I'd really like to know why the dead body of Caspar Pentaghast looked at her the way he did.  It made me feel like the story for her might have more fleshing out to do.

[Sable Rhapsody]

OT, and this might be my childhood catching up with me, but did anyone have their Inquisitor form a bond with their mounts? Also did anyone assign specific mounts to certain companions*? It was something I enjoyed in TME where Michel pays attention to his horse and seemed to have bonded with it (although I can't remember what happened to it now).

I didn't do it for companions but I did do it for my two Inquisitors.

For Lavellan, the red hart whom I named Prongs. Because 1) Ashitaka and 2) Harry Potter.
For Adaar, the nugalope. Because it looks hilarious, and poor Dorian can't handle how deeply uncool his boyfriend can be

[Vorathrad]

Never mind "almost," the Avvar are basically my Lavellan's refuge.  She associates them with all of the warm-and-fuzzy feelings of home: kinship, belonging, unconditional loyalty and love.  And a lot of it has to do with the way they treated her in Jaws of Hakkon.  She earned that legend-mark.  She earned their kinship.  And the Avvar value loyalty to a hold above all else.  They don't give a f*** about Solas or being the Herald of Andraste or any of the other things that burden her.  It's actually kind of adorable how well she fit in with them.

 

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I think he would steer clear, but mostly because Clan Lavellan's existence varies based on worldstate, and it's probably not important enough to make it part of Solas's plans.  But if there is one thing that could get my Lavellan to do an 180 and put his head on a spike, it would be harming her family.

 

I already liked this, but I want to like it again  Exactly how my Lavellan feels.

 

I don't think Solas is a hypocrite.

 

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He has the usual short-sightedness of people willing to take extreme measures. It's true that you don't have to like someone to use him for missions, but it hurts that he is willing to give some elves the chance to be useful for his cause but not the chance to be happy, have families, enjoy life... I thought the Fen'Harel side of Solas would be fascinating, especially after the first eluvians in Trespasser; but to me it turns out that Fen'Harel brings out the worst side of Solas.

 

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[CadenceSpark]

OT, and this might be my childhood catching up with me, but did anyone have their Inquisitor form a bond with their mounts? Also did anyone assign specific mounts to certain companions*? It was something I enjoyed in TME where Michel pays attention to his horse and seemed to have bonded with it (although I can't remember what happened to it now).

 

My girl bought every mount on that signpost, but she only ever stuck with the brown one Master Dennet gave her. I actually haven't named him. D: I should probably do that.

 

*If any of you say a Pride of Arlathan for Solas I'm allowed to throw pie at you. Just sayin'.

 

My Lavellan certainly did.   I liked to pretend that she had raised the Red Hart (named him Juno) instead of him being sent by another Dalish clan as a gift to the Inquisition.

 

I'm a huge animal lover so my characters must always have some sort of an animal companion. 

[Illyria]

I'm not defending what he's doing, it's horrible, but I think he's not knowingly being a hypocrite. I think he's rationalizing it all in his head in some twisted way that makes everything he's doing OK. 

 

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Not that I'm not still p*ssed off about him building his spy network behind everyone's back. That really hit me hard.

 

On the schedule for today:

 

8 am: Scrambled eggs for breakfast. Recruit the cook as agent. 

9 am: Work on mural. Use exceptionally good hearing to overhear Leliana's conversations from two stories above. 

noon: Cake for lunch. Recruit the baker as agent. 

1 pm: Check up on the condition of the Inquisitor's mark. Recruit the Inq... OK, I might be going overboard with this. 

2 pm: Help heal the wounded in the courtyard. Then recruit them as agents. 

3 pm: Afternoon nap. Meet Wisdom, Honesty, and Thoughtfulness for a friendly chat.

5 pm: Boiled veggies for dinner. If I want to look as hunky at 5000 as I am now, I have to eat my vegetables. Read poetry and philosophy over dinner. Remember to recruit the librarian as agent. 

6 pm: Help Inquisitor and Cullen plan our next move against Corypheus. Should I recruit Cullen as an agent? Nah, once a templar, always a templar. 

9 pm: Off to bed! Go check on the sleeper cells and tell them to get ready. 

 

 

CURSE THE LIKE LIMIT

 

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The limit is a side effect of the veil. BRING DOWN THE VEIL, SOLAS. LET THE LIKES ROAM FREE IN THE WORLD OF MORTALS AS THEY DID IN THE TIME OF THE ELVES!

 

OT, and this might be my childhood catching up with me, but did anyone have their Inquisitor form a bond with their mounts? Also did anyone assign specific mounts to certain companions*? It was something I enjoyed in TME where Michel pays attention to his horse and seemed to have bonded with it (although I can't remember what happened to it now).

 

My girl bought every mount on that signpost, but she only ever stuck with the brown one Master Dennet gave her. I actually haven't named him. D: I should probably do that.

 

*If any of you say a Pride of Arlathan for Solas I'm allowed to throw pie at you. Just sayin'.

 

My girl used the Royal Sixteen as soon as she got it.  Even in a synced playthough I probably wont use it until the sucessful completion of the Lavellan missions.

[Sable Rhapsody]

I'm a huge animal lover so my characters must always have some sort of an animal companion. 

 

All of my characters must be nice to cats  That's the only stipulation.

 

My Lavellan likes animals just fine, but she thinks of them in terms of usefulness.  The mousers at Skyhold serve a purpose.  Her hart serves a purpose.

Spoiler

So when Cullen practically melts over the mabari, she really doesn't know what to make of it.  She's heard of mabari as useful war dogs, but here's her commander making a fool of himself and throwing fake "fireballs" at it.  Confused Lavellan is very confused.

[Uirebhiril]

I might be going a bit heavy on the "d'awww" feels or something, but I always figured

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Solas would absolutely have agents in Wycome and interacting with clan Lavellan, but that would be as much -- if not moreso -- to gather information and keep an eye on things as it would be to ensure they remain safe for my Lavellan's benefit. He's sure as hell not going to add to her pain and suffering by bringing harm to them, or letting it befall her family.

 

Meanwhile my Lavellan is a "need to know" basis kind of person, and took to heart the suggestions and advice he gave Sera about the Jennies. She'll become like the Dread Wolf to thwart him, and you can mark that. Playing out that chess game would be delicious.

[midnight tea]

You make me laugh.     

 

Now, in all seriousness, I think part of the issue is that Immortality and living in a world where you can change everything at will does not really build character and prepare one to deal with loss. I think he's living in some state of denial where his rational side realizes his plan won't bring back what he's lost, but his reptile brain is screeching out, "What do you mean it's gone? What do you mean I can't bring it all back? What do you mean I can't possibly fix my mistake? No, I just have to keep trying and reality will bend to my will!" 

 

Spoiler

I actually touched this hundreds of pages ago - I think it's a vice that likely was intrinsic to immortal elves of Elvenhan. The Evanuris probably didn't just want to hoard power for themselves, but in general the civilization was bent on preserving their way of life - kinda.... like we do now with our planet and its resources. Ahem 

 

In any case - I think that  the weight of his burden (years of fighting, mistakes or what he considers his mistakes and finally the betrayal and creation of the Veil) broke Solas, in a way that he reverted from being a revolutionary, to something of a conservative (both literally and figuratively).

 

He said it himself to Varric - he's not a gambler anymore. He approves restoring what was left higher than changing the world for the better. The 'real' Quizzy gives him a shadow of hope that things can be done differently, but he got singed so much, he believes more in restoration, rather than revolution.

 

I think it will be our Inquisitor's task (whether befriended or romanced) to turn him on a revolutionary path again. Way more risk, but the outcome will likely be way more beneficial for the world as a whole.

[Cee]

Mine used the Royal Sixteen and nothing else after getting it. Though lovely moment when its antlers were too big to fit through an underpass.

[electricfish]

In the World of Thedas 2 I haven't seen them mention other continents.  Just a lot of history into this one.  They purposefully keep a lot of information vague.  For instance Solas has an appearance but it still refers to him as a hobo apostate(my paraphasing).  It hints like all the rest of the world that something has to exist outside...but not much more than that kind of read between the lines.

 

I particularly appreciated one point where they had a little excerpt of Cassandra's childhood.  And I'd really like to know why the dead body of Caspar Pentaghast looked at her the way he did.  It made me feel like the story for her might have more fleshing out to do.

 

Volume 1 is where it's at as far as new information goes. Volume 2 has a little bit, but it's mostly a summarization of events from DAO to now. There's the dwarven ship captains from across the sea who come to trade goods and spices for large quantities of lyrium. They were a regular appearance up until 200 (I think) years ago, and are only just now returning after some "great cataclysm."

 

Qunari are said to have come from "across the sea" as well. The Executors? Also across the sea. The ancient Neromenian human tribes also came to Thedas from across the sea at the behest of Dumat. Out east AND out west, there are other continents and a lot of potential weirdness going on.

[BoscoBread]

You make me laugh.     

 

Now, in all seriousness, I think part of the issue is that Immortality and living in a world where you can change everything at will does not really build character and prepare one to deal with loss. I think he's living in some state of denial where his rational side realizes his plan won't bring back what he's lost, but his reptile brain is screeching out, "What do you mean it's gone? What do you mean I can't bring it all back? What do you mean I can't possibly fix my mistake? No, I just have to keep trying and reality will bend to my will!" 

Yeah.  That's the thing - I'm reminded of his discussion of binding cole 'just because i can doesn't mean i will'

it's like 'solas please apply that previous conversation to what you are doing now!'

[BoscoBread]

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I actually touched this hundreds of pages ago - I think it's a vice that likely was intrinsic to immortal elves of Elvenhan. The Evanuris probably didn't just want to just hoard power for themselves, but in general the civilization was bent on preserving their way of life - kinda.... like we do now with our planet and its resources. Ahem 

 

In any case - I think that  the weight of his burden (years of fighting, mistakes or what he considers his mistakes and finally the betrayal and creation of the Veil) broke Solas, in a way that he reverted from being a revolutionary, to something of a conservative (both literally and figuratively).

 

He said it himself to Varric - he's not a gambler anymore. He approves restoring what was left higher than changing the world for the better. The 'real' Quizzy gives him a shadow of hope that things can be done differently, but he got singed so much, he believes more in restoration, rather than revolution.

 

I think it will be our Inquisitor's task (whether befriended or romanced) to turn him on a revolutionary path. Way more risk, but the outcome will likely be way more beneficial for the world as a whole.

well it's bit like the leviathans from me3 - they were like 'we are immortal, all powerful! worship us! we will build a machine to assist you in worshipping us...WHOOPS!!!'

 

there is a benefit to the human lifespan, you don't have time to bunk everything up. 

[drosophila]

Yeah.  That's the thing - I'm reminded of his discussion of binding cole 'just because i can doesn't mean i will'

it's like 'solas please apply that previous conversation to what you are doing now!'

 

Ooh, I have accumulated a list of highly ironic lines like this. Some examples:

 

"Most people act with so little understanding of the world."

 

"You can't change anything without understanding." 

 

"You have shown wisdom, a subtlety of action..."

 

I love your profile pic, BTW

[Illyria]

Volume 1 is where it's at as far as new information goes. Volume 2 has a little bit, but it's mostly a summarization of events from DAO to now. There's the dwarven ship captains from across the sea who come to trade goods and spices for large quantities of lyrium. They were a regular appearance up until 200 (I think) years ago, and are only just now returning after some "great cataclysm."

 

Qunari are said to have come from "across the sea" as well. The Executors? Also across the sea. The ancient Neromenian human tribes also came to Thedas from across the sea at the behest of Dumat. Out east AND out west, there are other continents and a lot of potential weirdness going on.

 

I want to say - your posts are always so full of useful information but I always imagion it being shouted in the angriest voice possible thanks to your avatar.

 

I am easily amused.

[Sable Rhapsody]

Yeah.  That's the thing - I'm reminded of his discussion of binding cole 'just because i can doesn't mean i will'

it's like 'solas please apply that previous conversation to what you are doing now!'

 

AUGH OUT OF LIKES

 

Also, the wisdom of Uncle Iroh to the guy who literally named himself Pride:

"Pride is not the opposite of shame, but its source. True humility is the only antidote to shame."

 

In fact, let's just have Uncle Iroh sit down with Solas over a nice game of Pai Sho.  Everything will be fine after that.

[Lady Lionheart]

OT, and this might be my childhood catching up with me, but did anyone have their Inquisitor form a bond with their mounts? Also did anyone assign specific mounts to certain companions*? It was something I enjoyed in TME where Michel pays attention to his horse and seemed to have bonded with it (although I can't remember what happened to it now).

 

My girl bought every mount on that signpost, but she only ever stuck with the brown one Master Dennet gave her. I actually haven't named him. D: I should probably do that.

 

*If any of you say a Pride of Arlathan for Solas I'm allowed to throw pie at you. Just sayin'.

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Bog Unicorn, I think.   

[midnight tea]

I might be going a bit heavy on the "d'awww" feels or something, but I always figured

Spoiler

Solas would absolutely have agents in Wycome and interacting with clan Lavellan, but that would be as much -- if not moreso -- to gather information and keep an eye on things as it would be to ensure they remain safe for my Lavellan's benefit. He's sure as hell not going to add to her pain and suffering by bringing harm to them, or letting it befall her family.

 

Meanwhile my Lavellan is a "need to know" basis kind of person, and took to heart the suggestions and advice he gave Sera about the Jennies. She'll become like the Dread Wolf to thwart him, and you can mark that. Playing out that chess game would be delicious.

 

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Yeah, I think taking her family away from her, no matter of her personal relationship, might be a straw that broke the camel's back. I even imagined a scene where anxious Lavellan throws herself in her dream, screaming into darkness "Why are you tormenting me!? You took so much and now you're taking away my family!? (also - why the hell am I left out!?)"

 

.... Still - what if that would mean that her family is more safe with other elves wherever Solas may be taking them?

 

I mean, there's not a shadow of a doubt in my mind that even if Solas abandoned the Dread Wolf persona and plan entirely, the elves would suffer terribly now, simply because of how it is implied that many of them turned to the Qun and almost helped them achieve the plan so machiavellan that it has put even Corypheus' scheming to shame.

 

And now that's implied that elves will work for anyone to eventually destroy the South in one way or another (not that the South, especially Orlais didn't do anything to earn their loyalty, but I don't expect that many Orlesians would be capable of reflecting on their treatment of elves as 2nd class citizens)?

Unless Quizzy, Divine and others work hard to dissolve some tension, sadly I suspect we will be hearing about Thedas' equivalent of pogroms and burning alienages

 

Which is why I think Solas rounds the elves up somewhere to spare the world more bloodshed, even if he'd use a portion of those willing to join his cause as his agents. 

[Hattress]

Surprisingly I have no problem with what the egg head's plan -- it is more or less already been speculated before hand. What really bothers me is

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if you realize the anchor is his work, his magic and he knows what the anchor is capable of from the very beginning, then most of what he said in fade kiss cut scene is just.....I don't know what to say. He knows all along that the anchor grant someone ability to travel physically into the fade, knows the anchor serves as a key to open as well as close the rift/breach, the only remaining question is whether Lavellan can survive the anchor long enough and since she's mortal, whether she is capable of wielding the power of anchor. In other words, whatever she had achieved, he is actually NOT THAT IMPRESSED.  I had the feeling that he just act that way becuase..i don't know. The fade kiss is where i began to crush on this egg head...knowing he is not that genuine there...kind of ruin my feeling for him. Have to say that if Patrick didn't confirm in the interview that Solas's feeling for Lavellan is true, I would say he is using her all the way : (

 

[Mims]

I still haven't decided what to do with clan Lavellan in my play through. First time through I thought I had the right order down, ended up getting destroyed. During Trespasser, Sera tells Lavellan that she's got a friend who may know where there are some survivors, but they haven't tracked anyone down yet. Really like the idea of Sera helping out there, so that just might be my canon.

 

For my character, I try not to do everything too perfectly as she's not really a good 'hero'. She's clever, but she makes some pretty huge oversights thanks to her ego. If I do stick with having lost clan Lavellan... it'll definitely be a huge point of guilt for her. And likely motivate her desire to protect modern elves, rather than get caught up in the potential for power that Solas's plans might offer.