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[Illyria]

AUGH OUT OF LIKES

 

Also, the wisdom of Uncle Iroh to the guy who literally named himself Pride:

"Pride is not the opposite of shame, but its source. True humility is the only antidote to shame."

 

In fact, let's just have Uncle Iroh sit down with Solas over a nice game of Pai Sho.  Everything will be fine after that.

 

That... could be a disaster.

 

Iroh: Let us sit down with a game of Pai Sho and a nice cup of tea.

Solas: Tea?  I detest the stuff.

*Kill Bill Sirens*

[midnight tea]

well it's bit like the leviathans from me3 - they were like 'we are immortal, all powerful! worship us! we will build a machine to assist you in worshipping us...WHOOPS!!!'

 

there is a benefit to the human lifespan, you don't have time to bunk everything up. 

 

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Not sure about that - I mean, we're at the process of bunking stuff up NOW. And that's aside of having the nuclear arsenal that is able to eradicate pretty much all life on Earth...

 

I'm telling this mostly because of how frequently I'm shocked how little people can care about the long-term future. 

 

There's a saying here that reflects it well "after us, even the worldwide flood may come (I won't be here anymore, so I don't care!)". 

(or they figure that eventually scientists will develop technology that will do stuff for them or make the problem go away... which is HILARIOUS, considering how frequently I see the same people complain about science in general)

 

I keep asking them - well... don't you want to leave the world a bit better, even if for the sake of your children, that you apparently love so much? It's unnerving how often I see this question being answered with a blank stare...

[drosophila]

(or they figure out that eventually scientists will develop technology that will do stuff for them or make the problem go away... which is HILARIOUS, considering how frequently I see the same people complain about science in general)

 

Thanks for this 

[MayriyaNoori]

I'm not defending what he's doing, it's horrible, but I think he's not knowingly being a hypocrite. I think he's rationalizing it all in his head in some twisted way that makes everything he's doing OK. 

 

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Not that I'm not still p*ssed off about him building his spy network behind everyone's back. That really hit me hard.

 

On the schedule for today:

 

8 am: Scrambled eggs for breakfast. Recruit the cook as agent. 

9 am: Work on mural. Use exceptionally good hearing to overhear Leliana's conversations from two stories above. 

noon: Cake for lunch. Recruit the baker as agent. 

1 pm: Check up on the condition of the Inquisitor's mark. Recruit the Inq... OK, I might be going overboard with this. 

2 pm: Help heal the wounded in the courtyard. Then recruit them as agents. 

3 pm: Afternoon nap. Meet Wisdom, Honesty, and Thoughtfulness for a friendly chat.

5 pm: Boiled veggies for dinner. If I want to look as hunky at 5000 as I am now, I have to eat my vegetables. Read poetry and philosophy over dinner. Remember to recruit the librarian as agent. 

6 pm: Help Inquisitor and Cullen plan our next move against Corypheus. Should I recruit Cullen as an agent? Nah, once a templar, always a templar. 

9 pm: Off to bed! Go check on the sleeper cells and tell them to get ready. 

 

I need stuff like this over my morning coffee everyday.

 

Beautiful.

[Sable Rhapsody]

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if you realize the anchor is his work, his magic and he knows what the anchor is capable of from the very beginning, then most of what he said in fade kiss cut scene is just.....I don't know what to say. He knows all along that the anchor grant someone ability to travel physically into the fade, knows the anchor serves as a key to open as well as close the rift/breach, the only remaining question is whether Lavellan can survive the anchor long enough and since she's mortal, whether she is capable of wielding the power of anchor. In other words, whatever she had achieved, he is actually NOT THAT IMPRESSED.  I had the feeling that he just act that way becuase..i don't know. The fade kiss is where i began to crush on this egg head...knowing he is not that genuine there...kind of ruin my feeling for him. Have to say that if Patrick didn't confirm in the interview that Solas's feeling for Lavellan is true, I would say he is using her all the way : (

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I think he's being genuine.

He knows how the Anchor is supposed to work for himself.  But there's no guarantee that it'll work properly for this little mortal gremlin ( Kissiebear for that phrase), and I think he was genuinely surprised when it did (mostly).  Remember, he's attracted to her personality and spirit, not necessarily her ability to wave around the magic hand.  He talks about her wisdom, subtlety, and thoughtfulness as much as he does about the Anchor.

 

 

That... could be a disaster.

 

Iroh: Let us sit down with a game of Pai Sho and a nice cup of tea.

Solas: Tea?  I detest the stuff.

*Kill Bill Sirens*

 

My money's on Iroh.  Sorry, Solas.  Dragon of the West just sounds cooler than Dread Wolf

 

Seriously, though, Dragon Age needs an Iroh.  Badly.

[BoscoBread]

 

Surprisingly I have no problem with what the egg head's plan -- it is more or less already been speculated before hand. What really bothers me is

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if you realize the anchor is his work, his magic and he knows what the anchor is capable of from the very beginning, then most of what he said in fade kiss cut scene is just.....I don't know what to say. He knows all along that the anchor grant someone ability to travel physically into the fade, knows the anchor serves as a key to open as well as close the rift/breach, the only remaining question is whether Lavellan can survive the anchor long enough and since she's mortal, whether she is capable of wielding the power of anchor. In other words, whatever she had achieved, he is actually NOT THAT IMPRESSED.  I had the feeling that he just act that way becuase..i don't know. The fade kiss is where i began to crush on this egg head...knowing he is not that genuine there...kind of ruin my feeling for him. Have to say that if Patrick didn't confirm in the interview that Solas's feeling for Lavellan is true, I would say he is using her all the way : (

 

 

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I'll be first one to criticize apocalypse boyfriend but his feelings are 100% geniune.   Weekes did confirm this.  As for when he stops seeing you as a tiny gremlin? Weekes said it's subjective but he thinks probably during the fade scene - that's for friend quisitors as well.  The thing with Solas - no matter how deep his love for one person, it does NOT override his love of his mission (or should I say duty).  At this point at least.  

 

DId he use the inquisitor - sort of kind of, but you did need his help.  i mean he did cause it but he stayed to help clean it up.  and to be honest, in doing he probably set the dominos up to his own eventual undoing so...you know and i do think he realizes this.  

[Kittn]

So, for those of you whose Lavellans still have clans and families:
 
post-Trespasser
 

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How much exactly is your Lavellan going to tell them?
 
The whole story - Fen'Harel is real, was with the Inquisition, (you love each other), he created the Veil, led to the fall of the elves and lots of other stuff, and now is up to some very likely dangerous thing that endangers everyone, but is also attracting elves from all over? etc
 
Part of the story?
 
Need to know basis?
 
I'm figuring this out for myself, since it will affect two things I plan to write, so I figured I'd also ask you all. I think mine leans more toward a high amount of truth and detail, because this is serious, but maybe to a select few, but then how do you protect the fringe, who might be the most susceptible/vulnerable? So there's probably a leaning toward more rather than less. But still determining it.
 
Some degree of this is out via the council and witnesses. How much left the palace, I wonder.
 
 
 

Oooh. An excellent question~

Tiger's clan survived, but like several others I've seen post, she was not born into it. Before the events of Trespasser, returning to her clan without her vallaslin was out of the question. She was embarrassed and uncertain. And since she isn't a mage, she held no place of authority before she left. Why would anyone listen to the reason behind her unmarked face?

After everything that's happened however:

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She wouldn't feel right leaving them in the dark, even if she fully expects them not to believe a thing.

I imagine one day she'll sit down, write a letter to Keeper Deshanna and arrange for her to visit Kirkwall or whever Tiger is staying. The Keeper is the one who gave her a real name and took her in as one of her own. She's the only one Tiger wouldn't feel uncomfy around, although she'd still fret about how she'd react to her blank face.

They'd catch up, exchange gossip of current events and then she'd spill the beans about everything. About the Evunaris. The Titans. Fen'Harel. Deshanna would likely sense her heart hopelessly aching for Solas, and know that too. Maybe there'd be tight hugs and some tears and the Keeper's reassurance that they will stand with Tiger when the time comes. Maybe there'd be more heartbreak if the Keeper accuses her of falling prey to Fen'Harel's deception and bringing ruin to them all. Or, Maybe the Keeper doesn't believe any of it, and calls it all a convincing delusion of a curious mind that had always fancied fantasy and secrets.

Even worse, Maybe the Keeper informs her that they had a visit from an agent of Fen'harel and knew all these things already. And that they've decided to join him.

Ouch.

Anyway, she'd tell the keeper and only her. After that it'd be up to Deshanna what to do with the knowledge.

[Mims]

 

Surprisingly I have no problem with what the egg head's plan -- it is more or less already been speculated before hand. What really bothers me is

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if you realize the anchor is his work, his magic and he knows what the anchor is capable of from the very beginning, then most of what he said in fade kiss cut scene is just.....I don't know what to say. He knows all along that the anchor grant someone ability to travel physically into the fade, knows the anchor serves as a key to open as well as close the rift/breach, the only remaining question is whether Lavellan can survive the anchor long enough and since she's mortal, whether she is capable of wielding the power of anchor. In other words, whatever she had achieved, he is actually NOT THAT IMPRESSED.  I had the feeling that he just act that way becuase..i don't know. The fade kiss is where i began to crush on this egg head...knowing he is not that genuine there...kind of ruin my feeling for him. Have to say that if Patrick didn't confirm in the interview that Solas's feeling for Lavellan is true, I would say he is using her all the way : (

 

 

 

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I'm not sure what you mean by 'not that impressed'? Do you mean, because he could wield the power and it would eventually kill her? Because this whole mess starts because Solas isn't able to handle his own orb. So at that moment in time, Lavellan was the stronger of the two. He's able to save her at the end because he's souped up on Mythal ghost. I'd say she earned his respect [and, that's exactly what he says at the end of the friendship path.] She cleaned up his mess.

[midnight tea]

Thanks for this 

 

I am as pro-science and pro-scientific method as you can get I appreciate it immensely, even if I'm more on artsy-philosophy-feelsy side of things, in terms of profession. Being that doesn't mean that I can't use my brain, or let my biased, emotionally-charged perspective dominate my rational and skeptical side.

[Illyria]

My money's on Iroh.  Sorry, Solas.  Dragon of the West just sounds cooler than Dread Wolf

 

Seriously, though, Dragon Age needs an Iroh.  Badly.

 

Same.

 

Trespasser musing (unrelated to the above post):

 

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was Solas building his network of agents while he was a member of the Inquisition or did that start after he left? Could someone tweet Weekes about this?

[Jaderail]

 

Surprisingly I have no problem with what the egg head's plan -- it is more or less already been speculated before hand. What really bothers me is

Spoiler

if you realize the anchor is his work, his magic and he knows what the anchor is capable of from the very beginning, then most of what he said in fade kiss cut scene is just.....I don't know what to say. He knows all along that the anchor grant someone ability to travel physically into the fade, knows the anchor serves as a key to open as well as close the rift/breach, the only remaining question is whether Lavellan can survive the anchor long enough and since she's mortal, whether she is capable of wielding the power of anchor. In other words, whatever she had achieved, he is actually NOT THAT IMPRESSED.  I had the feeling that he just act that way becuase..i don't know. The fade kiss is where i began to crush on this egg head...knowing he is not that genuine there...kind of ruin my feeling for him. Have to say that if Patrick didn't confirm in the interview that Solas's feeling for Lavellan is true, I would say he is using her all the way : (

 

 

I honestly don't think even Weekes is that evil, he confirms in regular tweets that Solas' love for Lavellan is genuine.

 

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I think at first Solas had intended to use the Inquisitor as a chess piece, let her get momentum and beat Corypheus, then he'd have his orb and take off and then he'd destroy the veil and act out his "plan" to deal with evanuris. Spending more time with the Inquisitor, he begins to see that maybe his plan is a mistake, previously he just thought of everyone as something like tranquil, as he says in Trespasser. But we get to see more of that with a romanced Lavellan - "You change everything" means he's really doubting what he's planning. And that "No matter what happens, what we had was real" seemed pretty damn genuine.

 

He does care deeply for Lavellan, and he did still kind of use her but he also couldn't tell her the truth and regardless if he did tell her his plans, they'd still have to kill Corypheus since he was a threat.

[BoscoBread]

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Not sure about that - I mean, we're at the process of bunking stuff up NOW. And that's aside of having the nuclear arsenal that is able to eradicate pretty much all life on Earth...

 

I'm telling this mostly because of how frequently I'm shocked how little people can care about the long-term future. 

 

There's a saying here that reflects it well "after us, even the worldwide flood my come (I won't be here anymore, so I don't care!)". 

(or they figure out that eventually scientists will develop technology that will do stuff for them or make the problem go away... which is HILARIOUS, considering how frequently I see the same people complain about science in general)

 

I keep asking them - well... don't you want to leave the world a bit better, even if for the sake of your children, that you apparently love so much? It's unnerving how often I see this question being answered with a blank stare...

I was speaking in terms of bioware universes, but yeah thanks for reminding me we're doomed for reals  

[Sable Rhapsody]

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I'm not sure what you mean by 'not that impressed'? Do you mean, because he could wield the power and it would eventually kill her? Because this whole mess starts because Solas isn't able to handle his own orb. So at that moment in time, Lavellan was the stronger of the two. He's able to save her at the end because he's souped up on Mythal ghost. I'd say she earned his respect [and, that's exactly what he says at the end of the friendship path.] She cleaned up his mess.

 

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And now she's trying to stop him from making another one.

 

You know this banter from Dorian about Corypheus? 

 

Blackwall: Corypheus – he's one of yours, isn't he?

Dorian: Mine? Like a pet? Like a giant darkspawn hamster with aspirations of godhood? 'Dorian, why can't you look after your little friends? Corypheus peed on the carpet again!' Analogy: The carpet is Haven.

 

Yeah, no.  The hamster is Solas, the carpet is Thedas.  And Lavellan is the lady with the squirt bottle and roll of paper towels.

[Vorathrad]

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Tiny gremlin vhenan is best vhenan xD

 

Maybe Solas isn't impressed with what the Inquisitor can do, but he's certainly intrigued by the relationship he or she develops with its power (a power that belongs to Solas, after all) That's probably why he disapproves of the Inquisitor using the power of the Anchor to build up political power and generally being an *ss: besides his own beliefs, it add ups to his not short list of disgraces wrought upon the world (I'm sure he keeps a record of those in the Thedosian equivalent of a Moleskine)

[drosophila]

I am as pro-science and pro-scientific method as you can get I appreciate it immensely, even if I'm more on artsy-philosophy-feelsy side of things, in terms of profession. Being that doesn't mean that I can't use my brain, or let my biased, emotionally-charged perspective dominate my rational and skeptical side.

 

Well, you've been super analytical on the thread, so you would've made a good scientist. 

 

And I'm just about as feels-, intuition-, and creativity-driven as one can be when I'm not actively doing something scientific. But that's not unusual, we're not robots, and heck, I've met scientists who get very irrational while on the job. 

[Sable Rhapsody]

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That's probably why he disapproves of the Inquisitor using the power of the Anchor to build up political power and generally being an *ss: besides his own beliefs, it add ups to his not short list of disgraces wrought upon the world (I'm sure he keeps a record of those in the Thedosian equivalent of a Moleskine)

 

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He should take a good look at that list and quit while he's...hmm.  Not exactly ahead, is he?  Quit before he causes another apocalypse.  I think that's the best we can do at this point 

[Oswin]

Epler just tweeted to mention that the various facial expression of Solas in Trespasser (relating to this link mentioned many pages ago-> http://www.kreebby.c...-solas-looks-at )

was deliberate, and all his doing.

 

Good work, Epler. I approve.

[AutumnOracle]

 

Surprisingly I have no problem with what the egg head's plan -- it is more or less already been speculated before hand. What really bothers me is

Spoiler

if you realize the anchor is his work, his magic and he knows what the anchor is capable of from the very beginning, then most of what he said in fade kiss cut scene is just.....I don't know what to say. He knows all along that the anchor grant someone ability to travel physically into the fade, knows the anchor serves as a key to open as well as close the rift/breach, the only remaining question is whether Lavellan can survive the anchor long enough and since she's mortal, whether she is capable of wielding the power of anchor. In other words, whatever she had achieved, he is actually NOT THAT IMPRESSED.  I had the feeling that he just act that way becuase..i don't know. The fade kiss is where i began to crush on this egg head...knowing he is not that genuine there...kind of ruin my feeling for him. Have to say that if Patrick didn't confirm in the interview that Solas's feeling for Lavellan is true, I would say he is using her all the way : (

 

 

 

Here's my theory of how it went:

 

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1. Solas sees explosion and waits to snatch up the anchor.
2. Figures out future Inky now has the power - Solas is baffled that can't happen right?  I mean no one is supposed to be able to wield this but me.
3. Waits next to our bedside waiting for us to die, possibly trying to figure out how to salvage the anchor with his limited power - we don't die and he gets more intrigued.
4. If theories are true and he's a wisdom spirit baffled and intrigued are dangerous business it gets him thinking.
5. He's still not sold on us but is definitely watching us.  When we hit on his he's plays along but not wholely out of a desire to trick us.  We are intriguing and I think the man genuinely likes puzzles.  Also obviously we are hot!
6. We hit the fade after lots of flirting and try to kiss him. In the fade(and maybe a little in IRL) he acts first as a knee jerk reaction. He thinks we're intriguing and wants to know more about us and we're hot. When we try to break off he's still not thinking.  When he breaks off it's because he allowed himself to think for a second that maybe I shouldn't be doing this I don't know how I stand. (He basically admits that he follows his gut in the fade not his brain)
7. Stews on the decision to kiss us back for a long time. So much so that by the time he addresses us about it again he's already decided that he loves us.

 

Personally I think the seed of us being real to him started in Haven while we were asleep.  It just flowers with an inquisitor that is friendly, romantic or just not horrible to him.

 

By the fade kiss I think he'd admitted us as real in his heart...but his head couldn't get around the idea until the balcony scene when he'd already decided he loved us.  In some ways maybe his heart made his head stop being stupid.

 

[drosophila]

Epler just tweeted to mention that the various facial expression of Solas in Trespasser (relating to this link mentioned many pages ago-> http://www.kreebby.c...-solas-looks-at )

was deliberate, and all his doing.

 

Good work, Epler. I approve.

 

This is beyond awesome and how am I already out of likes? 

 

I love it when they put care towards little details like this. 

[electricfish]

I want to say - your posts are always so full of useful information but I always imagion it being shouted in the angriest voice possible thanks to your avatar.

 

I am easily amused.

I love it, but one of these days I'll probably go back to Shale, so people can imagine me giving information in a significantly more patronizing and sarcastic  tone.

 

As an added information bonus on the dwarf captains: the writers thought it was important to note that those dwarves are ALWAYS captains, and never general crewmen. They are very highly respected by their mostly human crews and deferred to with the kind of respect that kings normally have. They always trade for large quantities and different qualities of lyrium. 

 

Wonder what they could be using it for? And perhaps it's related to the cataclysm event that happened out there? How much do you want to bet it's related to a Titan?

[Illyria]

Epler just tweeted to mention that the various facial expression of Solas in Trespasser (relating to this link mentioned many pages ago-> http://www.kreebby.c...-solas-looks-at )

was deliberate, and all his doing.

 

Good work, Epler. I approve.

 

He did say that Trespasser was his best work.  Somone should let kreebby know.

 

I love it, but one of these days I'll probably go back to Shale, so people can imagine me giving information in a significantly more patronizing and sarcastic  tone.

 

As an added information bonus on the dwarf captains: the writers thought it was important to note that those dwarves are ALWAYS captains, and never general crewmen. They are very highly respected by their mostly human crews and deferred to with the kind of respect that kings normally have. They always trade for large quantities and different qualities of lyrium. 

 

Wonder what they could be using it for? And perhaps it's related to the cataclysm event that happened out there? How much do you want to bet it's related to a Titan?

 

I REALLY need to play The Descent.

[MayriyaNoori]

This is beyond awesome and how am I already out of likes? 

 

I love it when they put care towards little details like this. 

Yeah.....I really don't get it when I read out in the interwebs how some players seem convinced that BioWare doesn't care about the players......

 

....it's in the details. I guess if people don't want to actually stop and smell the flowers so to speak...they should stop asking for flowers from bioware.

[midnight tea]

Well, you've been super analytical on the thread, so you would've made a good scientist. 

 

And I'm just about as feels-, intuition-, and creativity-driven as one can be when I'm not actively doing something scientific. But that's not unusual, we're not robots, and heck, I've met scientists who get very irrational while on the job. 

 

Thank you, I'm glad to hear it

 

Can I say that you actually remind me of one of my good friends from devinatArt?

 

She's a biologist, adores etymology (she has bugs and lizards of all sorts she keeps as pets and I remember one time when she enthusiastically she told me how she's found a black widow with some wasp eggs injected to it! She was so excited it was infectious, even if I myself stay away from bugs ) and she works in a lab, but we've had great fun creating written works and brainstorming together for a few years. In fact she helped me tighten my writing style to be more concise, yet give the same emotional punch as my long-winded paragraphs She's also writing her own books and stories - one of them was even published. IMO I think she's realllly good with words - better than many who claim to be 'full artsy'.

 

Anyway - I think it's a matter of balance, as well as the need to show the world that we're all very diverse - not all 'artsy' people are irrational, feelsy types, just like not all scientists are drab, dispassionate and overly-analytical. I really dislike the categories quite a few people try and put us in.

[Illyria]

Yeah.....I really don't get it when I read out in the interwebs how some players seem convinced that BioWare doesn't care about the players......

 

....it's in the details. I guess if people don't want to actually stop and smell the flowers so to speak...they should stop asking for flowers from bioware.

 

BUT YOU DON'T UNDERSTAND.

 

THEY MADE CASSANDRA LOOK LIKE A MAN.

 

AND I HAVE CHARTS AND SCIENCE TO BACK IT UP.

[Vlk3]

I already liked this, but I want to like it again  Exactly how my Lavellan feels.

 

I don't think Solas is a hypocrite.

 

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He has the usual short-sightedness of people willing to take extreme measures. It's true that you don't have to like someone to use him for missions, but it hurts that he is willing to give some elves the chance to be useful for his cause but not the chance to be happy, have families, enjoy life... I thought the Fen'Harel side of Solas would be fascinating, especially after the first eluvians in Trespasser; but to me it turns out that Fen'Harel brings out the worst side of Solas.

 

(23 new replies while I thought and wrote this?  )

 

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I think at this point I'm a little bit dissapointed with the whole story. I always, since DA:O wandered about the Elven Gods, Fen'Harel and what really happened. And I kind of hoped that he either had no choice or did the right thing when he locked the other gods. So in that I was right, I guess...I had hoped that he wouldn't end up a villain, a monster the Dalish believed him to be. In DA:I it turned out he's a fascinating character, caring, good, clever, sometimes even cute...and then...in DA:Tresspasser it turns out that he is perhaps even worse than all the Evanuris. That he's just as evil as Dalish have thought or even more. He supposedly cares about people he met during Inquisition, but in fact all the time, while talking with them, traveling together and fighting the bad guys, he planned to kill them anyway, all of them, including the Inquisitor (even romanced). And that's honestly sick.
 

Even if we can convince him to change his mind, now he will be always the guy who was ready to murder everyone and partially  thanks to Corypheus(!), began to have second thoughts. I mean, I don't want to hate on Solas, but I had hoped he would want to do something morally gray not just something plain evil.

 

I hate it that those who hated Solas so much even when they didn't know the truth about his plans, were right all along. I wanted him to be a misunderstood hero, who made some terrible mistakes, but still would never commit a genocide on a world-scale.

 

I think he's not going to do that andhat perhaps he's wrong to think that this is what would happen, but still he intends to do destroy the world and that is difficult to swallow.

I still think there's good in him, I know for a fact that he's hurting because of it. And I very much want the  Veil gone and Elves to restore their glory from the past. But if it is the only way, then it's not worth that. It's not worth destroying the soul of the one very brave, compassionate Elf, who led a rebellion against cruel mage-gods that enslaved their People. He could do so much better than this...

 

I'm bitter, conflicted and angry. I'll probably write something entirely different tomorrow. Don't mind me. I still love him to bits.

Damn it, Chuckles.

 

Edit: fixed the post