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[NeverlandHunter]

I agree. I like smut as a way of portraying intimacy, but only vanilla smut between two fully consenting people. For a while I went far away from the fandom because a few of the fics I stumbled upon were so traumatizing that they made me physically ill and made it difficult for me to sleep. I was pretty cranky about the whole situation too. I've learned to be very careful where I tread.

I've too come across some sketchy stuff (then slowly backed away), but sometimes people need to vent or feel a little deviant. As long as their happy and it isn't hurting anyone I don't see a problem with it... although sometimes I wonder if those communities are a safe haven for people who stray from our norm, or a, I don't want to say breeding ground, but somewhere that encourages people enough that they might loose the distinction between reality and fiction.

[Ramification]

 

about Trespasser choices:

Spoiler

I started to feel a bit annoyed that we don't get the option to actually side with Solas. I think we can express some understanding but we cannot say "I think you should totally do this and I will support you as best as I can, down with the veil!" Somehow we are forced into maintaining the world as it is. Not that I want to make another choice personally (I haven't actually made up my mind yet) but I want to have the option at least. From a gameplay perspective this choice doesn't mean too much; I could simply fail in the attempt. So why do I have to oppose Solas's plan?

 

 

Personally I think they didn't let you chose because...

Spoiler

...they want to work the Inquisitor into the next game somehow. Redeeming or defeating Solas would give us a similar outcome in DA4, so they can work the Quiz in there somewhere, even if they aren't the main character. If we ran off with him the Quizz's story would pretty much end. That's why I believe the option wasn't there. OPTIMISM FTW! 

[FernRain]

but doesn't he say that to every inquisitor? 

 

and who exactly is "her people"

 

are they the general population of Thedas which she's saved from a near-fade apocalypse? 

 

in this video

 

 

he says that he can't help the elven people "oppressed as they are now." he's talking about the modern elves, right? 

 

I just hope he doesn't go all ancient elf supremest. I really can't stand people have superiority complexes like that, or are racist at all for that matter. 

 

Speaking of that video..

 

 

I want to hear the Dalish female version of that. All I can find is the British male.

[Ramification]

 

 

Yeah, Weekes said it was written for female elves but it was also largely gated due to resources.

Did he? I never saw that confirmed? People just speculate. 

[Cee]

I agree. I like smut as a way of portraying intimacy, but only vanilla smut between two fully consenting people. For a while I went far away from the fandom because a few of the fics I stumbled upon were so traumatizing that they made me physically ill and made it difficult for me to sleep. I was pretty cranky about the whole situation too. I've learned to be very careful where I tread.

 

I'm careful which ones I read, and make good use of the tags. I think some people can sometimes be lazy and copy ALL the tags they can instead of doing it chapter specific and, like in the case of Message Sent recently, can just get massively smutty by surprise all of a sudden.

[NeverlandHunter]

I'm personally inclined to take the "death" of modern Thedas a bit more literally.  He can say to quizzy, "Live well, while time remains."  That sounds more like permanent death and less like an evolution or transformation a la Synthesis.

 

And I'm totally willing to admit that my impression of Solas's prejudices is biased from playing Adaar.  Solas has some spectacularly nasty things to say about the qunari, and while my Adaar is no fan of the Qun, it is really jarring having Solas compliment you with one breath and call everyone else who looks like you a savage in the next.  It's a bit like the whole Felassan thing: a very uncomfortable reminder of Solas's flaws.

I agree!

 

He's the same way with the Dalish though -.-

Solas: You are so amazing

*Lavellan smiles brightly*

Solas: But your people are ignorant children who would of been better off worshipping buttons and frilly cakes for that's about as close as they got to the actual truth.

 

My Lavellan Greatly Disapproves

[SamanthaJ]

I've too come across some sketchy stuff (then slowly backed away), but sometimes people need to vent or feel a little deviant. As long as their happy and it isn't hurting anyone I don't see a problem with it... although sometimes I wonder if those communities are a safe haven for people who stray from our norm, or a, I don't want to say breeding ground, but somewhere that encourages people enough that they might loose the distinction between reality and fiction.

 

Well, censorship is censorship is bad, but the problem was that something I happened upon was something morally not okay under any circumstances (and it was without warning). If there had been a label I could have stayed away, but there wasn't and then BOOM. And because of how it affected my physical health I'd say I was hurt by it.

[Kittn]

Ok another general opinion question:
 
is solas canonically bisexual?? I remember that they were gonna make him bi for a bit but didn't (due to resources?) 
 
i never really saw any confirmation from weekes or anyone saying that his character is bi, but it would be so cool if my favorite character of all time (from books, video games, movies, everything) is the same sexuality as me. It would make me feel all fuzzy inside XD

Probably beaten to it, but he's straight according to the writer. For story reasons. Not resource reasons. No?

People tend to take what they find data mining as evidence to insist things should have been this way or that because they are disappointed when it isn't. It's a dangerous thing. While working on the DMC4 Debug patch way back in the days with a group of fellow modders, we discovered lots of extremely weird crap digging through those annoying Capcom archives. I remember finding a photograph of some random hound dog in the texture folders. Pretty sure there were no hound dog wallpapered buildings, or hound dog attire in the game. But by that logic there should have been.

Gonna be honest. It's become a sore spot for me so I'm just gonna say that taking a stroll through the Bioware 'verse as a straight female can get downright alienating these days, and leave it at that. ^^;

[Cee]

Did he? I never saw that confirmed? People just speculate. 

 

The NerdAppropriate interview, he talked about writing the romance in over a weekend and talking to Mike Laidlaw about it and being specifically for female elves.

[The Lone Shadow]

Personally I think they didn't let you chose because...

Spoiler

...they want to work the Inquisitor into the next game somehow. Redeeming or defeating Solas would give us a similar outcome in DA4, so they can work the Quiz in there somewhere, even if they aren't the main character. If we ran off with him the Quizzes story would pretty much end. That's why I believe the option wasn't there. OPTIMISM FTW! 

 

I hope so, it wouldn't feel as personal if we were playing someone else in a quest to stop Solas. The PC wouldn't have as good connection to him, nor would have that connection with Dorain, since we all know Dorain is coming back. Dorain and Lavellan tag team on a quest to save the world, again.

 

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They put on black sunglasses as a building explodes behind them.

Modifié par The Lone Shadow, 18 septembre 2015 - 05:16 .

[NeverlandHunter]

Cullen is Golden Boy, the perfect man you bring home to your parents. I can see how he'd be straight, since his romance was basically designed to cater to stereotypical F/M romantic fantasies. 

 

Solas is Dread, Despair, falling in love with the bad boy, shouldering the burden, and paying the price. Why not have more male fans share in the misery?

 

(I'm well aware there's mods, of course. And that the real answer is resources.)

I get where you're coming from, but Cullen's apparent knight in shining armor routine and Solas's spiritual love shouldn't have anything to do with whether they're straight or not. That just makes for stereotypes. 

[Cee]

Probably beaten to it, but he's straight according to the writer. For story reasons. Not resource reasons. No?

People tend to take what they find data mining as evidence to insist things should have been this way or that because they are disappointed when it isn't. It's a dangerous thing. While working on the DMC4 Debug patch way back in the days with a group of fellow modders, we discovered lots of extremely weird crap digging through those annoying Capcom archives. I remember finding a photograph of some random hound dog in the texture folders. Pretty sure there were no hound dog wallpapered buildings, or hound dog attire in the game. But by that logic there should have been.

Gonna be honest. It's become a sore spot for me so I'm just gonna say that taking a stroll through the Bioware 'verse as a straight female can get downright alienating these days, and leave it at that. ^^;

 

 

Sometimes players do find scrapped audio or evidence of original intent that was dropped. Sometimes people want it and might get it later. Kaidan in ME3 suddenly being romanceable by m!Shepard was one of those additions. And while I've never romanced him, I think Kaidan being bi and realizing he loves m!Shepard has a different impact than f!Shepard romancing him across the series, if it's felt as an awakening of sorts. Kaidan being bi was VERY well received. And he was originally intended to be but resources, change of direction, etc.

[TheEggCrusher]

Probably beaten to it, but he's straight according to the writer. For story reasons. Not resource reasons. No?

People tend to take what they find data mining as evidence to insist things should have been this way or that because they are disappointed when it isn't. It's a dangerous thing. While working on the DMC4 Debug patch way back in the days with a group of fellow modders, we discovered lots of extremely weird crap digging through those annoying Capcom archives. I remember finding a photograph of some random hound dog in the texture folders. Pretty sure there were no hound dog wallpapered buildings, or hound dog attire in the game. But by that logic there should have been.

Gonna be honest. It's become a sore spot for me so I'm just gonna say that taking a stroll through the Bioware 'verse as a straight female can get downright alienating these days, and leave it at that. ^^;

ah, sorry. it's just that these games were a big part of me being able to come out as bi, and helped me with my sexuality a lot. i can totally see why it would be alienating, especially on tumblr. it can get rough over there. 

 

in the end, solas is solas and his sexuality has nothing to do with why he's an amazing character. 

[NeverlandHunter]

Well, censorship is censorship is bad, but the problem was that something I happened upon was something morally not okay under any circumstances (and it was without warning). If there had been a label I could have stayed away, but there wasn't and then BOOM. And because of how it affected my physical health I'd say I was hurt by it.

It definitely should of been labeled. That is the #1 thing that erks me about a lot of fanfiction. There aren't always warnings and there aren't always warnings understandable by new readers.

[Sable Rhapsody]

I've too come across some sketchy stuff (then slowly backed away), but sometimes people need to vent or feel a little deviant. As long as their happy and it isn't hurting anyone I don't see a problem with it... although sometimes I wonder if those communities are a safe haven for people who stray from our norm, or a, I don't want to say breeding ground, but somewhere that encourages people enough that they might loose the distinction between reality and fiction.

 

I've written some more deviant stuff for Mass Effect on request, and it was an academic exercise, a writing challenge to see if I could.  Sometimes it worked, and sometimes it really didn't

 

It only gets to be a problem when people 1) don't label properly or 2) insist on a particular headcanon being correct or preferable.  But that's really no different IMO from fanfiction that's violent, or gory, or whatever.

 

Solas: But your people are ignorant children who would of been better off worshipping buttons and frilly cakes for that's about as close as they got to the actual truth.

 

Solas, hun, just because YOU can't hold your sh*t together over buttons and cakes doesn't mean the rest of us can't handle it

 

 

People tend to take what they find data mining as evidence to insist things should have been this way or that because they are disappointed when it isn't. It's a dangerous thing. 

 

It was the same way with the leaked script for ME3, to the point where Drew Karpyshyn actually commented on it.  You only think the datamined/cut stuff is better than what's in-game because it suffers none of the usual cuts and restrictions from having been implemented in the first place.  It's no more "real" or canonical than headcanon.

 

It'd be like people coming across early drafts of Lord of the Rings, and demanding that Frodo be renamed Bingo (yes this is a real thing).

[NeverlandHunter]

I definitely need to go to bed. 

 

Goodnight my Solas loving friends until probably tomorrow after classes because this has almost completely taken over my life right now!

 

[SamanthaJ]

I get where you're coming from, but Cullen's apparent knight in shining armor routine and Solas's spiritual love shouldn't have anything to do with whether they're straight or not. That just makes for stereotypes. 

 

I agree with this, especially with the knowledge of the gay KISA thread. There are quite a few men who want to be able to romance such a character with a man and have expressed their disappointment that the romance options available to them are often "shadier".

[Cee]

ah, sorry. it's just that these games were a big part of me being able to come out as bi, and helped me with my sexuality a lot. i can totally see why it would be alienating, especially on tumblr. it can get rough over there. 

 

in the end, solas is solas and his sexuality has nothing to do with why he's an amazing character. 

 

Games helped me in that regard as well. Like, I didn't realize for a long time.

 

And it's natural to seek to relate or connect or share things in common.

[Cee]

I agree with this, especially with the knowledge of the gay KISA thread. There are quite a few men who want to be able to romance such a character with a man and have expressed their disappointment that the romance options available to them are often "shadier".

 

I was also thinking specifically about that thread too.

[TheEggCrusher]

Games helped me in that regard as well. Like, I didn't realize for a long time.

 

And it's natural to seek to relate or connect or share things in common.

lol yea i didn't realize for forever XD DA really helped with my sexuality by showing me that bi people could actually exist. for a while, I was pretty deep in denial, thinking that my strange feelings weren't even possible. 

 

I just love how DA has all types of people. it's one of my favorite parts of the games. representation really does help the minorities of sexuality more than some might think 

[drosophila]

I get where you're coming from, but Cullen's apparent knight in shining armor routine and Solas's spiritual love shouldn't have anything to do with whether they're straight or not. That just makes for stereotypes.

Oh, if there's anything I love, it's challenging those stereotypes when I play the romances. That's why my second love is Josephine, whom I have paired with a lesbian human templar, who is her knight in shining armor. I've called her Josie's knight in shining armor multiple times on this thread.

As for Cullen and Solas, I think I get where you're coming from too. Their sexuality is what it is, independently of their other characteristics. Still, I see the stereotype woven in Cullen's romance, and would've loved to see bi Solas, but he's great as he is.

(Minus his plan to kill everyone and end the world.)

[Ramification]

The NerdAppropriate interview, he talked about writing the romance in over a weekend and talking to Mike Laidlaw about it and being specifically for female elves.

Writing it is not exactly the same as overall game production costs. The VO would be the cost. I heard the interview and I was left with the impression that he wrote up the romance, presented it and it was approved. All the production costs that come after are a different thing. I had the impression that they did it because it's more realistic to give characters preferences like real people. 

 

I could be totally wrong too Cee....

[midnight tea]

I'm personally inclined to take the "death" of modern Thedas a bit more literally.  He can say to quizzy, "Live well, while time remains."  That sounds more like permanent death and less like an evolution or transformation a la Synthesis.

 

And I'm totally willing to admit that my impression of Solas's prejudices is biased from playing Adaar.  Solas has some spectacularly nasty things to say about the qunari, and while my Adaar is no fan of the Qun, it is really jarring having Solas compliment you with one breath and call everyone else who looks like you a savage in the next.  It's a bit like the whole Felassan thing: a very uncomfortable reminder of Solas's flaws.

 

Either way, whether he erases memory of Thedas or literally destroyes it, it and 'its people' will be dead. 

 

Also - Solas does have nasty things to say about Qunari, but again - I think it's more a matter of mindset (and Qunari philosophy, rather than people themselves). You can see that a different picture emerges of what exactly he has problem with when you listen to his conversations with Iron Bull, especially if we play Adaar.

[Aviena]

Minus his plan to kill everyone and end the world.)

 

       

[_Lucinia]

I could have sworn it was either an interview or a panel or something ... or I could be dreaming, that's possible too.  I remember something about Patrick using the fact that it was for female elves only as a selling point for adding the romance to the game.  For "super story reasons".