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[Illyria]

There was some backlash to that, as I recall. I suppose that's why they were being so careful with it this time. Mod and headcanon whatever, it doesn't change my game, or the actual nature of the character is I guess what I am saying. The problem then is when people demand that headcanon be validated, or fight with people who are saying "...but that's not what was stated" or something. if we take the game at face value, Solas is straight and has a preference for elves. He shows no romantic interest in a male elf, and certainly not in other races. But then some people get angry and say that "what, just because he didn't flirt with a male you assume he's straight?" Well.. yes?

 

Nope, still confused. I'm getting more coffee.

 

This is how I see it.  I don't give a damn if people headcanon stuff or write fanfiction or draw fanart or use mods.  What people do is none of my business.  It's only if the devs said 'we're leaving X's sexuality open to intrepretation' that I'd find it iffy, simply because of what some fans will do with that.

 

Haha, yeah and her comment to Bethany about all the things the women can do.  I just leaned towards males because of her relationship with Fenris, and after watching both the m!HAwke and f!Hawke Isabela romances I prefer the male a lot more. But maybe that's just the voice actor.

 

He definitely does flirt more with women openly but I always attributed to that being more of a facade. Even in a place as open as Thedas I imagine he might be nervous about being judged/stigmatized.

 

m!Hawke/Bela is super underrated (I'm never going to play m!Hawke myself, but I still feel it's underrated).

 

And yeah, I get your point about Anders.

[NeverlandHunter]

The biggest problem I have with Mythal and Solas having once been involved romantically is that Morrigan straight up said that Flemeth killed all the men she slept with once she used them - and Solas is still alive. Of course, that was before we knew she was Flemythal, and could have been a result of her personality being twisted after she was betrayed by her husband/the gods -  but it stands that she has a history of killing her lovers.

 

I feel more like Solas was more in a master/servant sort of relationship with her (and the suggestions that he was literally her dog (or wolf) are not far from the truth).

 

I really hated that line with Morrigan and Solas; just because two people fight doesn't mean they are attracted to each other in some sort of tsundere way (though I will make an exception for Varric/Cassandra). If they go there it will literally make me feel ill, just like Solas walking away after telling you he's going to kill you and everyone you love if you don't find a way to convince him otherwise. Sigh.

Well, I have to admit of I love love-hate relationships, although I do realize how utterly unrealistic they are. I though that comment was pretty cute (although my Lavellan didn't make it!)... it's just I was watching a video awhile back that was talking about love-hate relationships and the person suggestion that they were so attractive because people have a hard time distinguishing between love passion and hate passion in fiction, because they come out as similar. When people have a lot in common and buttheads I think it's natural to want to see them overcome that bickering (only in reality it was much better before) and when two people happen to be attractive and single fans will want to see them together.... Anyway, I love Ariane and Finn's bickering in Witch Hunt and Velanna and Nathaniel's in Awakening. I ship them both!

[AutumnOracle]

Well, here's my "they didn't do it" canon twin again!  I also prefer the gating as it's more realistic.

 

Yeah, when they said Solas was gender and race gated for "plot reasons" (now we know it may have been largely for time and budget reasons) I immediately thought about babies. I'm not usually keen on babies, but I think it fits this romance. Solas doesn't want to die alone. He's been the last of his kind for so long. The guy needs a family. My Lavellan's clan is dead, so she'd like a family too. She wouldn't mind popping out a couple elflings as long as Solas gets his act together. Of course if there are to be actual babies there will have to be actual "elven glory!", not just headcanon at some point.  

 

As a side note, given the whole Solas and Mythal might have been an item thing maybe the fem elf only romance could have other plot tie ins. Perhaps Lavellan could become a vessel for Mythal instead of Morrigan. The whole "you two'd make a cute couple" line you could interrupt with while Morrigan and Solas were arguing at the Temple of Mythal originally made me wonder if something weird was being foreshadowed. It gave me a bad feeling even though I was completely unspoiled at the time.

 

I think I just threw up a little in my mouth.  I'm 100% that was said to get under their skin because they hate each other.  

 

Me:  "Morrigan/Mythal or whomever...back off my man!"

 

On a more realistic note though I think that he's bound to her somehow and she's a motherly/authority figure in his life.

[Mims]

 

Any thoughts?

 

 

The people of Arlathan were definitely brainwashed, but they probably didn't need to be bound to have that happen. Solas's line about the evanuris constantly raising their status from king to god fits well with most cult like groups. You start small, and slowly work it higher until no one questions your actions. The people that disagree with you? Sacrifice them. Send them to build temples. The people that agree with you? Reward them with high ranks and land of their own. 

 

That said, some slaves in Arlathan were probably fitted with lyrium tattoos, like Fenris. In that instance, it would be like a second sort of binding- any sufficiently powerful mage could take command of your body and force you to do what they ask. 

 

If Solas is the one who 'burned' the vallaslin off his face- that's a very strong word. I don't really have a thought more than that, but it certainly suggests that there was a fair bit of difficulty in breaking free from the system that the evanuris had put into place. 

[AutumnOracle]

You have a good point there. I'm in the line of why does it even matter, but I guess to some folks it does. People will headcanon he's bi if they want though. And then we're left with thinking, is it wrong to believe he is straight after he shows no interest in male elves but romances a female Lavellan? I'm going with what the game shows, but isn't that the same thing people are doing if they play male Hawke and don't hear Isabela talking about women?

 

I'm confused now.

 

Difference maybe being that in one there isn't another option ie. Solas.  There is nothing else in game.  The other exists within the game it's just something you didn't see.

 

Similarly to not seeing a lot of the interactions between banter people.  As a rogue I can never take two other rogue in my party so it's usually Solas & Cole although I love the Solas & Varric dialogue.  I imagine it still happened as they imply that the rest of the party goes with you, they just aren't controllable and the user doesn't get the dialogue exchanges.

[CapricornSun]

Last art post before I go to bed. Gonna get up early tomorrow for a convention! (Because, cosplayers! Celebrities! Wonderful geeky stuff! )

 

First kiss with Solas. (Very cute.   )

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Source: http://brotherslavel...kiss-with-solas

 

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A strong friendship.

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Source: http://rhodaperditio...did-not-romance

 

 

Solavellan fluff.

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Source: http://cl0udb3rryart...uff-friday-have

 

 

Another Solavellan fluff art.

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Source: http://eaven129.tumb...as-fluff-friday

 

 

Solas WIP.

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Source: http://crystalnyam.t...ubt-draw-vhenan

 

 

Elves and their girlfriends. (Tumblr link version)

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Source: http://uuyly.tumblr....world-elves-and

 

 

Solas. (Trespasser Art)

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Source: http://marblebrain.t...-will-be-bitten

 

[dawnstone]

In regards to Solas/Mythal, I am heavily leaning towards the whole guardian relationship more than a romantic one, although I really wouldn't be surprised if it was. And I don't think I'd be too bothered about it either. If Solas was finally spurred into action against the Evanuris with Mythal's death, then he was acting with his heart. But his desire to bring down the Veil in Trespasser seems to be him thinking with his head, to fix a perceived mistake he made in the past, and even though we know he loves Lavellan deeply, he broke up with her specifically so he could carry on thinking with his head, and not with his heart.

 

I've been thinking more recently about how Solas reacts to drinking an Inquisitor drinking from the Well*. He knows it would bind the Inquisitor to Mythal's will, and he knows this not because Abelas told us, but because he knows what it's like being bound to her, and this is leading me to think of a whole bunch of sad thoughts. Solas clearly held Mythal to high regard despite the fact she kept slaves too, Abelas and his sentinels were incredibly dedicated...

 

What if the relationship, and the whole binding-business, extends to more... brainwashyness? Like the slaves of the Evanuris were brainwashed into wanting to serve these people as gods over a time when the Evanuris collectively went insane with power and had to find some means of keeping their people in check?

 

Any thoughts?

 

*Or was supposed to react, the whole "begged you not to do it" dialogue is a bug, but it shows he was supposed to be a lot more dramatic about it, but for whatever reason they left it out. Probably because it'd make him too obvious.

Well, he did say that someone who drank from the Well would be doing her will whether they knew it or not, which could very well be the case with Solas and the Veil, if Mythal wanted it down and he was subject to her geas. He almost seems compelled at the very last, because he really, really has a hard time giving romanced Lavellan up, not to mention all the character growth that he is ignoring in favor of his crazy plan (probably just wishful thinking though).

[Jayla]

The people of Arlathan were definitely brainwashed, but they probably didn't need to be bound to have that happen. Solas's line about the evanuris constantly raising their status from king to god fits well with most cult like groups. You start small, and slowly work it higher until no one questions your actions. The people that disagree with you? Sacrifice them. Send them to build temples. The people that agree with you? Reward them with high ranks and land of their own. 

 

That said, some slaves in Arlathan were probably fitted with lyrium tattoos, like Fenris. In that instance, it would be like a second sort of binding- any sufficiently powerful mage could take command of your body and force you to do what they ask. 

 

If Solas is the one who 'burned' the vallaslin off his face- that's a very strong word. I don't really have a thought more than that, but it certainly suggests that there was a fair bit of difficulty in breaking free from the system that the evanuris had put into place. 

 

I can't like at the moment so take a heart .

In regards to emboldened, I think that perhaps that's what the vallaslin originally were, and it makes me bitter that Fenris didn't go with Hawke to Skyhold because I would have loved to have seen Solas' reaction to his tattoos. Maybe we'll see it in the future.

[AutumnOracle]

I think... you might be overthinking it. I really really don't think there will be a "having a kid option with Solas" in any of the future games. But that's awesome if that's what you want to headcanon!

 

I don't need them to give me a select a kid option if that makes sense.  I don't need another Keiran.  However I still want to 'option', by that I mean that I want them to end in a happy place where having a family is something that is attainable.  No need to see it happen.  But that's just my wanting a happy ending for them not a depressing one.  

 

I'm fully aware that depressing might happen.  And in the even that is the case my new cannon will become my Cullen playthrough. I haven't spent way too much time thinking about this.....I swear I'm normal IRL.

[S.W.]

In regards to Solas/Mythal, I am heavily leaning towards the whole guardian relationship more than a romantic one, although I really wouldn't be surprised if it was. And I don't think I'd be too bothered about it either. If Solas was finally spurred into action against the Evanuris with Mythal's death, then he was acting with his heart. But his desire to bring down the Veil in Trespasser seems to be him thinking with his head, to fix a perceived mistake he made in the past, and even though we know he loves Lavellan deeply, he broke up with her specifically so he could carry on thinking with his head, and not with his heart.

I've been thinking more recently about how Solas reacts to drinking an Inquisitor drinking from the Well*. He knows it would bind the Inquisitor to Mythal's will, and he knows this not because Abelas told us, but because he knows what it's like being bound to her, and this is leading me to think of a whole bunch of sad thoughts. Solas clearly held Mythal to high regard despite the fact she kept slaves too, Abelas and his sentinels were incredibly dedicated...

What if the relationship, and the whole binding-business, extends to more... brainwashyness? Like the slaves of the Evanuris were brainwashed into wanting to serve these people as gods over a time when the Evanuris collectively went insane with power and had to find some means of keeping their people in check?

Any thoughts?

*Or was supposed to react, the whole "begged you not to do it" dialogue is a bug, but it shows he was supposed to be a lot more dramatic about it, but for whatever reason they left it out. Probably because it'd make him too obvious.

Given Mythal's position in the elven pantheon - the mother of elves, openly perceived as the second most, if not quietly the most important god - on top of Solas' reverence for her (which we see in Trespasser - she was the best of us, he says, the voice of reason, and the gods which killed her deserved the worst possible punishment), I think there would be a notable power imbalance in Solas/Mythal which would make it a bit... messed up, potentially. Especially, as suggested by one of Cole's lines, that Solas may have became an elf through binding rather than free choice, that would probably put him on a much lower social standing.

I'm not fond of power imbalances in relationships - romance should be between equals, imbalance leads to unhealthy dependence and can veer towards something abusive in the worst case scenarios.

Solas has had enough grief without having a sexual relationship with Mythal on top of everything.

Also - I like it when characters are motivated to change the world just because the status quo isn't good enough. I think it'd possibly take from Solas' character if his two biggest motivations were failed relationships between two different powerful elves. Especially since one of my favourite things about Solas, at first, was that he had a great moral compass and a strong belief in social justice (Trespasser complicates that a lot, haha).

[Ardent Blossom]

Well, he did say that someone who drank from the Well would be doing her will whether they knew it or not, which could very well be the case with Solas and the Veil, if Mythal wanted it down and he was subject to her geas. He almost seems compelled at the very last, because he really, really has a hard time giving romanced Lavellan up, not to mention all the character growth that he is ignoring in favor of his crazy plan (probably just wishful thinking though).

I was just wondering the same thing after reading Jayla's post. Solas could still be under some compulsion to do Mythal's bidding and not even know it. The moment in Crestwood where he switches from kissing Lavellan to dumping Lavellan always seemed robotic and unnatural. I mean a few minutes earlier he flirts back at her when she says she has suggestions for how he might demonstrate his feelings. MYTHAL!!! I'm glad my Lavellan didn't drink from the Well.

[Moirin]

Did Weekes write it like that because that's Solas' sexuality, or was it because of resources?

 

I don't think we have a 100% answer to that, but if I recall right the interview went like this: Weekes wrote up the romance over the weekend then recommended it to the staff (Darrah I guess?) and they said, well he can be a romance/ we can fit it resource wise if it's for female elves only, and Weekes said, well, that's what I wrote it for anyway.

[NeverlandHunter]

I remember the spat in the Anders thread over M!Hawke/Anders vs F!Hawke/Anders.  It's like...it's goddamn Hawke.  Anders is in love with you because of your penchant for spectacular destruction and chaos over anything else 

 

*sigh* I dunno.  On one hand, I'm part of the privileged straight majority, so every time I open my mouth on this topic, it's with a feeling of maybe I shouldn't, or someone is going to leap down my throat for this.  On the other hand, I've never been much bothered about the sexualities of the various characters.  If I want to romance a particular character, I just roll a PC to match their in-game, depicted orientation (M!Adaar for Dorian, F!Lavellan for Solas, etc.)

It's whatever you headcanon, I get nervous about that kind of stuff too, and I personally might not know what it is to be a minority because of your sexual orienation or race, but it doesn't mean I can't understand or even argue for or against certain things. My sisters are mixed, one of them with children that are half black, and they can say some racist as F comments, and when I comment they're just like. "You wouldn't understand, we can't be racist we're mixed" (that more as a joke) and they are both more experienced with sexuality and sex than I am, but it doesn't mean I don't know what I'm talking about or that they know what they're talking about. I hate that so much. (Older sister complex being spilled out onto BioWare Forums ^.^)

I don't know, it's all kind iffy. Huh -.-

[Avejajed]

I'll admit it would be kind of fun if one day we play a modern game version of DA and we play ancestors of original characters all brought together by fate, like you get to play the great great great great granddaughter of Isabella heh.

[Mims]

I can't like at the moment so take a heart .

In regards to emboldened, I think that perhaps that's what the vallaslin originally were, and it makes me bitter that Fenris didn't go with Hawke to Skyhold because I would have loved to have seen Solas' reaction to his tattoos. Maybe we'll see it in the future.

 

I wouldn't be surprised if we see more slaves in Tevinter with them. Danarius's research probably lives on, which might give a lot of slaves even more motivation to jump ship and join up with the Dread Wolf. 

[Moirin]

*Or was supposed to react, the whole "begged you not to do it" dialogue is a bug, but it shows he was supposed to be a lot more dramatic about it, but for whatever reason they left it out. Probably because it'd make him too obvious.

 

It's not a dialogue bug. Solas was actually supposed to beg you not to drink, but the Temple of Mythal got a bit rushed so they forgot to write it.

[NeverlandHunter]

I just hope that we will one day get a canon asexual companion, that would be cool! We have come a long way and I looove Krem especially, but I just hope that people of the asexual spectrum like myself (though I'm demi) get something to feel represented one day, too.

I think Mass Effect is just ripe with opportunities like this. I have a very hard time believing every alien race has sex for pleasure. Maybe there could be a race of aliens that just have sex to reproduce, but choose a mate because of luuuuuvv. Regardless of sex, or even gender!

[Jaderail]

I don't need them to give me a select a kid option if that makes sense.  I don't need another Keiran.  However I still want to 'option', by that I mean that I want them to end in a happy place where having a family is something that is attainable.  No need to see it happen.  But that's just my wanting a happy ending for them not a depressing one.  

 

I'm fully aware that depressing might happen.  And in the even that is the case my new cannon will become my Cullen playthrough. I haven't spent way too much time thinking about this.....I swear I'm normal IRL.

Agreed, a choice would be nice. At the moment its going in a Romeo and Juliet direction and I hope that there is a choice at the end, I think both endings could be beautiful in their own right, if done correctly. At one time I thought Morrigan having a child would be a disaster, but with time she's kinda proved she's a pretty good mom. 

[AutumnOracle]

I just hope that we will one day get a canon asexual companion, that would be cool! We have come a long way and I looove Krem especially, but I just hope that people of the asexual spectrum like myself (though I'm demi) get something to feel represented one day, too.

 

I hope this for you  And I hope that I know up front so I don't romance them cause while I loved the Sebastien romance I was constantly thinking how can I talk him out of his pants.  And that just felt un-genuine for someone who professes to love them regardless of their desires/decisions.  Then again maybe it's because he basically teases you with how unstoppable in bed he was in his younger years....and then he's all but not anymore..not for you...    

[Moirin]

I just hope that we will one day get a canon asexual companion, that would be cool! We have come a long way and I looove Krem especially, but I just hope that people of the asexual spectrum like myself (though I'm demi) get something to feel represented one day, too.

 

Cole? Or you mean one to romance with our PCs?

[Jayla]

I was just wondering the same thing after reading Jayla's post. Solas could still be under some compulsion to do Mythal's bidding and not even know it. The moment in Crestwood where he switches from kissing Lavellan to dumping Lavellan always seemed robotic and unnatural. I mean a few minutes earlier he flirts back at her when she says she has suggestions for how he might demonstrate his feelings. MYTHAL!!! I'm glad my Lavellan didn't drink from the Well.

 

I think the scene in Crestwood was still entirely Solas. He'd brought Lavellan down with probably a memorised script to tell her everything and then at the last second changes his mind. He was a massive clusterfuck of emotions at that scene, but you could be right!
 

It's not a dialogue bug. Solas was actually supposed to beg you not to drink, but the Temple of Mythal got a bit rushed so they forgot to write it.

 

Even better!

[Ardent Blossom]

I think Mass Effect is just ripe with opportunities like this. I have a very hard time believing every alien race has sex for pleasure. Maybe there could be a race of aliens that just have sex to reproduce, but choose a mate because of luuuuuvv. Regardless of sex, or even gender!

A Salarian would be perfect for this! Salarians don't evidently do the romance thing and mate only for reproduction, yet on Illium there was a male Salarian shopping with his Asari stepdaughter for a gift for mom. A special snowflake Salarian is just what they need. 

[Cee]

Wasn't that something they intentionally did in DA2? If you were a female Hawke romancing Anders he didn't mention the true nature of his relationship with Carl (maybe it was Karl). I thought that was stupid, but they were trying to cater to fans I guess. 

 

Yes. I didn't like that either but it's still Anders. Like, doing that made erasure even easier. If you're playing a woman and for some reason that bothers you, well, that's him, decide with all the info. As mentioned above, it still happened regardless. It was a compromise sort of decision but not always executed in the best ways.

 

 

I remember the spat in the Anders thread over M!Hawke/Anders vs F!Hawke/Anders.  It's like...it's goddamn Hawke.  Anders is in love with you because of your penchant for spectacular destruction and chaos over anything else 

 

*sigh* I dunno.  On one hand, I'm part of the privileged straight majority, so every time I open my mouth on this topic, it's with a feeling of maybe I shouldn't, or someone is going to leap down my throat for this.  On the other hand, I've never been much bothered about the sexualities of the various characters.  If I want to romance a particular character, I just roll a PC to match their in-game, depicted orientation (M!Adaar for Dorian, F!Lavellan for Solas, etc.)

 

It's more an issue with people like those who'll get into ship wars and then decide to come down on the side of erasure. Rolling a PC to match a monosexual character is as intended. Some people just like to live in a bubble.

 

Needing to roll a man for Dorian is all good. Creating a "straight Sera" mod is....not. "Man Cass" troll with his entitlement, charts, and science....is also not.
 

[Miss This or That]

Cole? Or you mean one to romance with our PCs?

 

Well, Cole is a...spirit that can turn human. I don't really think he actually fills that role, because that would imply that asexuals are weird spirit-y people. Last time I checked, I couldn't make others forget me.

 

The companion does not have to be romance-able by our PC's, but something like Krem would be nice. Just something to show that people like that exists, that would be enough.

 

I never thought Sebastian was asexual. He's more bound by chastity than anything else, really. And asexual doesn't have to mean chaste, either. It's tricky because it's such a wide spectrum (asexuals that have sex, those that do not, grey-asexuals, demisexuals, ...), but something to be represented by would be really nice~

[NeverlandHunter]

A Salarian would be perfect for this! Salarians don't evidently do the romance thing and mate only for reproduction, yet on Illium there was a male Salarian shopping with his Asari stepdaughter for a gift for mom. A special snowflake Salarian is just what they need. 

I've never actually played Mass Effect. Only watched some videos and read discussions about it, but yeah, that would be awesome ^.^