Irrelevant, random, but I just sneezed and thought to myself how people in Thedas react to someone sneezing.
I don't think they say "bless you"...
Then I thought about Cole and Inqi:
Inquisitor: (sneezes).
Cole: (gasps).
Inquisitor: Cole?
Cole: Your heart stopped, pressure and then silence. I thought you were dead.
Inquisitor: It was just a sneeze.
Cole: Why does it do that?
Inquisitor: Good question.
What is wrong with me 
Mine is going to be pretty much all in, unless things become just plain so out there terrible that she'd completely compromise herself and do something horrible. It depends, but I came away from Trespasser with hope.
Still, I don't regret the romance or that decision. It's a particularly tragic and painful existence and they shared it. But Anders was smaller scale, and given how much downward spiral everything else Hawke went through felt, it fit.
Neither do I. It was a fascinating RP experience. My Hawke actually condoned what Anders did, and it was genuinely distressing for me as a player, watching her slip further into Villain Protagonist territory.
I think that if you don't pledge to save him, but instead stop him at all cost, it's sort of a breakup.
He treats Lavellan like a friend with high-approval after that, but I can't be certain. I haven't seen the epilogue slides for someone who did it.
Well, then my only real complaint is that the "change his plans" options is only available to to Lavellans how want to stay put or characters who were already just friends. One shouldn't have to choose "Stop by any means, even if it means kill" option just because you would like to move on in the world of love.
It's really not that big of a deal to me in the end though. We'll see where it all goes.
And in the meantime I can sit around and imagine my Lavellan run around on city rooftops in the moonlight with her assassin boyfriend. It's great!
I even did the math and their ages work out nicely as well! Zevran would be like 39-40 at the end of Trespasser and my Lavellan would be like 33-34.
It's all win.
The Inquisitor, I have always thought, is kind of this beacon of hope to people (Wouldn't it be cool if the thing about their spirit that Solas sees as special, is because they actually are some sort of incarnation of a spirit of Hope, or touched by one?
), and has the strength and character to make changes and inspire, has good insights and perspective. Solas needs someone like that in his life, or he wouldn't have been been visiting a spirit of Wisdom on a regular basis before it died.
To be perfectly honest, I actually think that may be exactly the case.
It could also explain why Solas thinks Lavellan's (and, by extension, approved Inquisitor's) spirit is so rare and marvelous - spirits of Hope are exceedingly rare, AFAIK. Apparently they rarely find anything in the real world that attracts them, so how baffling it would be for Solas to see it manifest into a real being and thrive at a time where things in Thedas turn to be gradually worse, or at least no better?
It could also be something that could explain Inky's "divine mission", if there ever was one and if he/she was indeed sent by the Maker.... or someone/something that is thought to be one and who sent spirit of Justinia or spirit!Leliana to help when their help was needed.
I mean, didn't romanced Sera have a weird dream of sort that after mission get accomplish Inquistor goes back to Andraste/Maker? I wonder if it was more than a dream...
SOLAS IS A GODDAMN MONSTER. F!LAVELLAN IS A PSYCHO.
Thank you for playing Dragon Age...
To be perfectly honest, I actually think that may be exactly the case.
It could also explain why Solas thinks Lavellan's (and, by extension, approved Inquisitor's) spirit is so rare and marvelous - spirits of Hope are exceedingly rare, AFAIK. Apparently they rarely find anything in the real world that attracts them, so how baffling it would be for Solas to see it manifest into a real being and thrive a the time where things in Thedas turn to be gradually worse, or at least no better?
It could also be something that could explain Inky's "divine mission", if there ever was one and if he/she was indeed sent by the Maker.... or someone/something that is thought to be one and who sent spirit of Justinia or spirit!Leliana to help when their help was needed.
I mean, didn't romanced Sera have a weird dream of sort that after mission get accomplish Inquistor goes back to Andraste/Maker? I wonder if it was more than a dream...
It's an interesting idea...but IMO puts the player in a bind in terms of RP.
If I had to pick a spirit to embody my Lavellan, it would totally be Hope. But what about Assquisitor? What about my Adaar, who IMO embodies Valor much better than Hope? It kind of forces the player into a particular sort of PC in order to make sense.
I dunno. I start to get nervous when RPGs are like, "This is a defining trait that could be up to personal choice/headcanon, but now your character HAS to have it." All PCs have to be badass and determined and intelligent to some extent, but beyond that...ehhh.
SOLAS IS A GODDAMN MONSTER. F!LAVELLAN IS A PSYCHO.
Thank you for playing Dragon Age...
Taste the chaos!
It's an interesting idea...but IMO puts the player in a bind in terms of RP.
If I had to pick a spirit to embody my Lavellan, it would totally be Hope. But what about Assquisitor? What about my Adaar, who IMO embodies Valor much better than Hope? It kind of forces the player into a particular sort of PC in order to make sense.
Interesting thing about a spirit of Hope would be that it would really be the masses that cause it to manifest, not the individual it becomes I suppose.
So, if everyone is cool with the Herald of Andraste being an ass, I guess Hope would be too lol
Not smaller scale than what Solas is trying to do?
Well I see like that! But Anders became a huuuge part of my Arcadia Hawke's life and he destroyed her. So not small scale to her...not small scale to normal people either, Solas is just an over achiever.
Irrelevant, random, but I just sneezed and thought to myself how people in Thedas react to someone sneezing.
I don't think they say "bless you"...
Then I thought about Cole and Inqi:
Inquisitor: (sneezes).
Cole: (gasps).
Inquisitor: Cole?
Cole: Your heart stopped, pressure and then silence. I thought you were dead.
Inquisitor: It was just a sneeze.
Cole: Why does it do that?
Inquisitor: Good question.
What is wrong with me
Haha, that was cute! But I think Cole knows a lot more about science than most Thedasians. Did you ever hear his comment on the stars?
SOLAS IS A GODDAMN MONSTER. F!LAVELLAN IS A PSYCHO.
Thank you for playing Dragon Age...
O_O It's like Beauty and the Beast *completely misses point*
It's an interesting idea...but IMO puts the player in a bind in terms of RP.
If I had to pick a spirit to embody my Lavellan, it would totally be Hope. But what about Assquisitor? What about my Adaar, who IMO embodies Valor much better than Hope? It kind of forces the player into a particular sort of PC in order to make sense.
I dunno. I start to get nervous when RPGs are like, "This is a defining trait that could be up to personal choice/headcanon, but now your character HAS to have it." All PCs have to be badass and determined and intelligent to some extent, but beyond that...ehhh.
Just because their spirit is a spirit of hope doesn't mean they have to embody its' traits, seeing this is not time of Elvhen Empire, people are not connected to their spirits. Human Cole doesn't embody as much compassion as his spirit self does, and he may lose the ability to help people as time moves forward, who knows?
Even Assquisitor was a symbol of hope for many, s/he still saved the world, s/he was in the (wrong) right time at the (wrong) right place to be able to prevent a disaster.
Interesting thing about a spirit of Hope would be that it would really be the masses that cause it to manifest, not the individual it becomes I suppose.
So, if everyone is cool with the Herald of Andraste being an ass, I guess Hope would be too lol
Cass was touched by a spirit of Faith because she had faith to begin with. The spirit didn't impart it to her. I would imagine the same would be true of quizzy, and then you basically have to create a character who conforms to that trait.
I dunno. For me it smacks too much of ME3, where suddenly Shep had to be pro-Alliance and upset over Thessia and full of derp at inconvenient moments because the story dictates. I don't mind not being able to control the overall story, and I like having unintended consequences for his/her actions. But I really hate it when I lose control over the character's inner life--thoughts, values, personality, and emotions.
Cass was touched by a spirit of Faith because she had faith to begin with. The spirit didn't impart it to her. I would imagine the same would be true of quizzy, and then you basically have to create a character who conforms to that trait.
I dunno. For me it smacks too much of ME3, where suddenly Shep had to be pro-Alliance and upset over Thessia and full of derp at inconvenient moments because the story dictates. I don't mind not being able to control the overall story, and I like having unintended consequences for his/her actions. But I really hate it when I lose control over the character's inner life--thoughts, values, personality, and emotions.
Yeah, it's a shady area to step into for sure. Hopefully BioWare stays clear of it.
On another note, I do think it would be pretty awesome if somehow they worked it out so that Spirits became a playable race.
It's an interesting idea...but IMO puts the player in a bind in terms of RP.
If I had to pick a spirit to embody my Lavellan, it would totally be Hope. But what about Assquisitor? What about my Adaar, who IMO embodies Valor much better than Hope? It kind of forces the player into a particular sort of PC in order to make sense.
Just like Wisdom can be corrupted to Pride, Purpose to Desire, why can't Hope be corrupted, or at least made to never reach its potential?
After all, one of the first things Solas asks Inquisitors in their disapproval scene is "Are you blissfully unaware or, deep inside, is some part of you banging on the walls, screaming?"
That itself suggests that even Assquisitors may posses a quality that fascinates Solas, even if Quizzies themselves fail to impress him.
If you look at it that way, not only it makes perfect sense in the world of Thedas, it also provides great RP opportunities 
It's like Solas said to Cole: "While the world may exert a pull in one direction or another, the choice is ultimately yours". And considering that it's largely hinted that most living, sentient beings are 'spirits made flesh', it's appropriate for them to follow that path as well, even if they don't exactly end up to be as pure or as twisted as spirits and demons.
It also makes sense for Solas to be absolutely baffled by approved Quizzies - it must be a true mystery (of not a downright miracle) for him how come approved Inquisitors can retain their 'purity' in a world as bleak and corrupted as Thedas and would be an appropriate impulse to re-evaluate or at least consider changing his stance on things.
Haha, that was cute! But I think Cole knows a lot more about science than most Thedasians. Did you ever hear his comment on the stars?
I've looked it up before writing, the heart can stop when you sneeze, and it happens because of some pressure build in whatever, couldn't understand.. big terms.. does not compute.
It was too cute to give up on anyhow hehe.
To be perfectly honest, I actually think that may be exactly the case.
It could also explain why Solas thinks Lavellan's (and, by extension, approved Inquisitor's) spirit is so rare and marvelous - spirits of Hope are exceedingly rare, AFAIK. Apparently they rarely find anything in the real world that attracts them, so how baffling it would be for Solas to see it manifest into a real being and thrive at a time where things in Thedas turn to be gradually worse, or at least no better?
It could also be something that could explain Inky's "divine mission", if there ever was one and if he/she was indeed sent by the Maker.... or someone/something that is thought to be one and who sent spirit of Justinia or spirit!Leliana to help when their help was needed.
I mean, didn't romanced Sera have a weird dream of sort that after mission get accomplish Inquistor goes back to Andraste/Maker? I wonder if it was more than a dream...
Uh blegh blegh blegh blegh
I DESPISE reincarnation twists in romances! It cheapens the romance!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
*remembers to respect other people's interests and opinions*
*clears throat*
What I mean to say is, in my personal opinion I find that reincarnation takes away from the love between the two characters. It is as if instead loving them for who they are they love them because they are meant to and have no control over said love.
Neither do I. It was a fascinating RP experience. My Hawke actually condoned what Anders did, and it was genuinely distressing for me as a player, watching her slip further into Villain Protagonist territory.
Mine was just so done with losses and extremes and then her own boyfriend goes and plots behind her back and then pulls that off even after she supported and cared for him and rebuked others who might not understand or fear, all for things to take yet another turn full of pain. So it was a really deep hit. But at the same time, she didn't turn her back on him either.
Not that Anders doesn't warn you to not go there, but he just has so much that hurts and with his struggles and trying to not lose himself. It reminded me a bit, in a small way, of when my mother fell in love with some guy who wound up being an addict. I was 10. This came back when I played DA2. That was something she got out of and never repeated, but it was one of those things that, unfortunately, a child tucks into memory. The sort of 'this is some degree bad even when it's good, but someone loves and goes along with it anyway'. Art pulled it out of my brain again.
Just like Wisdom can be corrupted to Pride, Purpose to Desire, why can't Hope be corrupted, or at least made to never reach its potential?
After all, one of the first things Solas asks Inquisitors in their disapproval scene is "Are you blissfully unaware or, deep inside, is some part of you banging on the walls, screaming?"
That itself suggests that even Assquisitors may posses a quality that fascinates Solas, even if Quizzies themselves fail to impress him.
If you look at it that way, not only it makes perfect sense in the world of Thedas, it also provides great RP opportunities
I don't think it's an idea that could never work. But I think it's a difficult one to swing, and done badly, would destroy any sense of immersion for me. And probably my enjoyment of the game in general. But that's my personal bugaboo
It's an interesting idea...but IMO puts the player in a bind in terms of RP.
If I had to pick a spirit to embody my Lavellan, it would totally be Hope. But what about Assquisitor? What about my Adaar, who IMO embodies Valor much better than Hope? It kind of forces the player into a particular sort of PC in order to make sense.
I dunno. I start to get nervous when RPGs are like, "This is a defining trait that could be up to personal choice/headcanon, but now your character HAS to have it." All PCs have to be badass and determined and intelligent to some extent, but beyond that...ehhh.
In a low friendship/enemy relationship with Solas, doesn't he say something about there being something within the Inquisitor screaming to get out?
Uh blegh blegh blegh blegh
I DESPISE reincarnation twists in romances! It cheapens the romance!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
*remembers to respect other people's interests and opinions*
*clears throat*
What I mean to say is, in my personal opinion I find that reincarnation takes away from the love between the two characters. It is as if instead loving them for who they are they love them because they are meant to and have no control over said love.
What reincarnation? 
midnight tea wrote nothing about reincarnation, I'm confused
Cass was touched by a spirit of Faith because she had faith to begin with. The spirit didn't impart it to her. I would imagine the same would be true of quizzy, and then you basically have to create a character who conforms to that trait.
I dunno. For me it smacks too much of ME3, where suddenly Shep had to be pro-Alliance and upset over Thessia and full of derp at inconvenient moments because the story dictates. I don't mind not being able to control the overall story, and I like having unintended consequences for his/her actions. But I really hate it when I lose control over the character's inner life--thoughts, values, personality, and emotions.
I don't see how we lose control over character's inner life - ultimately it depends on us whether and how the "spirit' manifests in Inky, or how much they succeed in actually giving people genuine hope for the future. I see this "limitation" as no different as presenting us with certain races, backgrounds or role in the story - or the fact that we have certain role to play in it (like the role of Herald or Inquisitor).
In a low friendship/enemy relationship with Solas, doesn't he say something about there being something within the Inquisitor screaming to get out?
Which I'm perfectly fine with as a metaphor Not everything Solas says has to be twenty layers deep.
Again, just my bugaboo. Still pissed at ME3 for that one.
I don't see how we lose control over character's inner life - ultimately it depends on us whether and how the "spirit' manifests in Inky, or how much they succeed in actually giving people genuine hope for the future. I see this "limitation" as no different as presenting us with certain races, backgrounds or role in the story - or the fact that we have certain role to play in it (like the role of Herald or Inquisitor).
Think of it like drinking from the Well. Everything you do, and moreover everything you have done, is now influenced by that spirit of Hope. That bugs me, because it can be used to justify taking control away from the player. You want to play an *******? Sorry. Hope happens anyway even though it makes no damn sense.
If the spirit influence had been the case from the beginning, I would have been upset, but I would have worked around it. I don't mind constraints upon character creation like Herald or Inquisitor. I'm perfectly happy to play characters like Adam Jensen, where I have no CC or customization. But giving me freedom over what the character's fundamental nature is, and then taking that away? Not ok.
What reincarnation?
midnight tea wrote nothing about reincarnation, I'm confused
They were replying to this comment and agreeing with it 
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The Inquisitor, I have always thought, is kind of this beacon of hope to people (Wouldn't it be cool if the thing about their spirit that Solas sees as special, is because they actually are some sort of incarnation of a spirit of Hope, or touched by one?
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I don't see how we lose control over character's inner life - ultimately it depends on us whether and how the "spirit' manifests in Inky, or how much they succeed in actually giving people genuine hope for the future. I see this "limitation" as no different as presenting us with certain races, backgrounds or role in the story - or the fact that we have certain role to play in it (like the role of Herald or Inquisitor).
I'm not sure why but this reminds me of the paragon/renegade thing, with the scarring.
In ME2 you start with the scars, you can heal them with time by being relaxed (paragon) or they could deepen if get angry (renegade).
It's different yes, but what (I think) I'm trying to say is you get a starting point, the potential is there to pull either way, and its' the player's decisions that affect whether in the end Shepard leans towards diplomacy or ruthlessness (and badassness), or parts of both.
In my opinion it's a nice thing to RP.
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