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[NeverlandHunter]

LOL, what if Quizzy as Hope exists to CHANGE the inevitable?

Ever thought of that?  

Because I totally think this is happening as well. 

 

Also - destiny or fate can mean many things. They can mean things that will happen no matter of individual input or reaching one's ultimate potential. Perhaps this is what Flemeth meant when she said "We stand upon the precipice of change. The world fears the inevitable plummet into the abyss. Watch for that moment... and when it comes, do not hesitate to leap. It is only when you fall that you learn whether you can fly."

Uh, still, there is puppeteering and I hate the idea of puppeteering. Which is ironic because throughout more troubling times I've been comforted with the idea that everything happens for a reason, yet I can't stand the idea of choice being taken away from me, in any sense.

[MayriyaNoori]

LOL, what if Quizzy as Hope exists to CHANGE the inevitable?

Ever thought of that?  

Because I totally think this is happening as well. 

 

Also - destiny or fate can mean many things. They can mean things that will happen no matter of individual input or reaching one's ultimate potential. Perhaps this is what Flemeth meant when she said "We stand upon the precipice of change. The world fears the inevitable plummet into the abyss. Watch for that moment... and when it comes, do not hesitate to leap. It is only when you fall that you learn whether you can fly."

The more I see stuff like that, the more I think they really are building up for the Veil to fall no matter what happens to Solas.

 

The potential for the most incredible cinematic scene ever is there. Makes me want it to happen.

[Colonelkillabee]

SOLAS IS A GODDAMN MONSTER. F!LAVELLAN IS A PSYCHO. 

 

Thank you for playing Dragon Age...

Hate to say I told ya so, but... I like it, personally.

[midnight tea]

Also, I feel like if the Quizz is a spirit of Hope that that would cheapen their character a bit. I like thinking that my character was a random nobody who somehow, in spite of impossible odds, was able to overcome all those obstacles.

 

Yet many (if not all) of major obstacles have been overcome by Quizzies no matter if they're awesometacular of asinine - or with people trying to be paragons of greatness or being all meh! about it.

 

That itself should tell us that we're not playing "random nobodies" and fate (well, BW writers) decides many things no matter of what we/characters may want. In Trespasser some companions even mention how many things seem to happen or fall on Quizzy whether they like it or not, and one of the first words we hear from Mother Giselle is her laughing how little control we have over our fate.

 

 

In any case - I myself always played Inquisition thinking that I help to reach my (good) characters their true potential, rather than fool myself into thinking that everything that my character accomplishes is entirely on their own.

 

I don't believe in false dichotomy of fate vs. free will though; I see it as mix of both. There's some measure of uncontrollable inevitability to actions of the hero, what they accomplish and what they mean or symbolize to other people in the story - but how they are/how we play will eventually decide the fate of Thedas in some pretty major way.

 

We were given a role (as players or characters in Thedas) and - like Gandalf said - all we have to decide is what to do with the time that is given to us

[Colonelkillabee]

Yet many (if not all) of major obstacles have been overcome by Quizzies no matter if they're awesometacular of asinine - or with people trying to be paragons of greatness or being all meh! about it.

 

That itself should tell us that we're not playing "random nobodies" and fate (well, BW writers) decides many things no matter of what we/characters may want. In Trespasser some companions even mention how many things seem to happen or fall on Quizzy whether they like it or not, and one of the first words we hear from Mother Giselle is her laughing how little control we have over our fate.

 

 

In any case - I myself always played Inquisition thinking that I help to reach my (good) characters their true potential, rather than fool myself into thinking that everything that my character accomplishes is entirely on their own.

 

I don't believe in false dichotomy of fate vs. free will though; I see it as mix of both. There's some measure of uncontrollable inevitability to actions of the hero and what they accomplish - but how they are/how we play will eventually decide the fate of Thedas in some pretty major way.

 

We were given a role (as players or characters in Thedas) and - like Gandalf said - all we have to decide is what to do with the time that is given to us

I think this is just the writers hammering the point home that the Inquisitor is special, and not necessarily for the mark. It can be because they're destined to be great, it could be because the Maker guides you, or it could be your Inquisitor is more competent than others. I think the writers are simply giving you the wiggle room to decide for yourself.

[midnight tea]

I think this is just the writers hammering the point home that the Inquisitor is special, and not necessarily for the mark. It can be because they're destined to be great, it could be because the Maker guides you, or it could be your Inquisitor is more competent than others. I think the writers are simply giving you the wiggle room to decide for yourself.

 

...Which being an embodiment of a rare spirit (or someone who can draw in/channel such spirit) - which can either falter, be really mediocre or become inspiration to others - fits in all this like a glove

[Orleans87]

THIS!
And we know your feelings! It's okay, shhh, everything will be okay *pats head* Solas was never in a romantic relationship with Mythal and your Inquisitor will get to confront him again in the next game and change his mind. It's all going to be alright.

 
Thank you Mommy  
 

I can't help but think if he tried that with my new Lavellan, that she would punch him in the face or where his mini staff is kept and yell at him that there won't be any frikle frakle until he gets his act together and stops being an ahole. Like telling a dog, no you're not getting a cookie until you stop peeing on the carpet.

 
My twisted heart would love to have that option but I also know that I wouldn't push it.
I'm that weak against the egg

 

https://33.media.tum...3nxleo1_400.gif 

 

I could never resist!!!!!!!!!!!!

[midnight tea]

Uh, still, there is puppeteering and I hate the idea of puppeteering. Which is ironic because throughout more troubling times I've been comforted with the idea that everything happens for a reason, yet I can't stand the idea of choice being taken away from me, in any sense.

 

It's a rather natural human reaction.

 

We generally operate better when we think that we have full (or most of) control over our actions... even if free will is mostly an illusion (or at least something of an empty concept) and most of our actions are determined by varying factors, be it personal experience, how we were raised, how human brain is built and so on...

[Colonelkillabee]

...Which being an embodiment of a rare spirit (or someone who can draw in/channel such spirit) - which can either falter, be really mediocre or become inspiration to others - fits in all this like a glove

If that's how you want to see it, sure As for myself, I don't think it goes out of the realm of headcanon. Like the other user said, it'd take away from the Quizzy a lot imo. And if they were a spirit, there'd be more signs to this I think. A lot more. Again, imo.

 

edit: There's also the fact that we all have backgrounds that tell us we were born, where, and we even have siblings.

[Fen'Eira]

snip...The Inquisitor, I have always thought, is kind of this beacon of hope to people (Wouldn't it be cool if the thing about their spirit that Solas sees as special, is because they actually are some sort of incarnation of a spirit of Hope, or touched by one? ), and has the strength and character to make changes and inspire, has good insights and perspective. Solas needs someone like that in his life, or he wouldn't have been been visiting a spirit of Wisdom on a regular basis before it died. ...snip

 

 

My head cannon just exploded.  Now I want to do another run through with this as canon.  What is the word for Hope?  Las?  *thinks of how to incorporate that into a character name*.   

[NeverlandHunter]

 
Thank you Mommy  
 

 
My twisted heart would love to have that option but I also know that I wouldn't push it.
I'm that weak against the egg

 

https://33.media.tum...3nxleo1_400.gif

 

I could never resist!!!!!!!!!!!!

Here have some cookies sweetie, they'll make you feel all better.

 

It's a rather natural human reaction.

 

We generally operate better when we think that full (or most of) control over our actions... even if free will is mostly an illusion (or at least something of an empty concept) and most of our actions are determined by varying factors, be it personal experience, how we were raised, how human brain is built and so on...

I feel very Sera-y to your Solas-y-ness right now... 

I don't know why you say things weird, you're weird, and I do what I want.

[_Lucinia]

So Killabee how long have you been lurking?  Your ears might have been burning last week, some were wondering when you were going to show up again.

 

Yay more folks are returning to the fold!

[midnight tea]

If that's how you want to see it, sure As for myself, I don't think it goes out of the realm of headcanon. Like the other user said, it'd take away from the Quizzy a lot imo. And if they were a spirit, there'd be more signs to this I think. A lot more. Again, imo.

 

edit: There's also the fact that we all have backgrounds that tell us we were born, where, and we even have siblings.

 

You may be interpreting what I said a bit too literally. I never said anything about Quizzy just popping out of the Fade and doing Hopeful things with hardly any input from the player.

 

And the fact that Quizzies have background is hardly an evidence against them being an embodiment of certain spirit underneath it all - ALL (most of) Thedosians at some point began as/have spirits. There's enough of evidence to suggest that this is hardly a matter of headcanon. That some of them may be born with particularly strong spirit and guided to meet their destiny is more than an interesting thought as well, given everything that was said in either DAI or even previous games about fate, destiny, inevitability, miracles or prophecies. 

 

And, in fact, Quizzies coming from limited backgrounds (even if we can pick form a few provided to us) only seems to fall in neatly into some sort of Greater Plan, or perhaps Emergency Plan For Thedas: we can be a Dalish First or a minor Ostwick noble (all exclusively from Free Marches) - but we can never be an Antivan elf assassin with no leg or half-dwarf Fereldan mabari trainer. Inquisitors are not as "random" as people want them to be - nor are their actions (at least some crucial ones).

[midnight tea]

I feel very Sera-y to your Solas-y-ness right now... 

I don't know why you say things weird, you're weird, and I do what I want.

 

 

Yes, yes - I'm being an insufferable smartass, I know

[Colonelkillabee]

So Killabee how long have you been lurking?  Your ears might have been burning last week, some were wondering when you were going to show up again.

 

Yay more folks are returning to the fold!

Honestly, not long Like, today basically, lol. Was busy saving up cash for my trip out of the country to see RoyalRel. Meant to ever since I saw they FINALLY released this dlc. Thank Andraste's ******.

 

You may be interpreting what I said a bit too literally. I never said anything about Quizzy just popping out of the Fade and doing Hopeful things with hardly any input from the player.

 

And the fact that Quizzies have background is hardly an evidence against them being an embodiment of certain spirit underneath it all - ALL (most of) Thedosians at some point began as/have spirits. There's enough of evidence to suggest that this is hardly a matter of headcanon. That some of them may be born with particularly strong spirit and guided to meet their destiny is more than an interesting thought as well, given everything that was said in either DAI or even previous games about fate, destiny, inevitability, miracles or prophecies. 

 

And, in fact, Quizzies coming from limited backgrounds (even if we can pick form a few provided to us) only seems to fall in neatly into some sort of Greater Plan, or perhaps Emergency Plan For Thedas: we can be a Dalish First or a minor Ostwick noble (all exclusively from Free Marches) - but we can never be an Antivan elf assassin with no leg or half-dwarf Fereldan mabari trainer. Inquisitors are not as "random" as people want them to be - nor are their actions (at least some crucial ones).

I don't get it, how else would we be spirits if not by popping from the fade at some point? Maybe I'm missing some bit of lore here, but it just doesn't make sense to me *shrug* If they were once spirits and born as mortals, their hope thing would no longer be their purpose, and it would have no effect on them, as I understand it. You're either a spirit or a mortal, unless you're Cole, who we see recently became "both". But popped out of the fade first.

[Jaderail]

I don't think being a special snowflake *always* cheapens the character. Sometimes the aspect that makes the character "special" or different is also an inherent flaw that can build the character. Having any kind of special ability or something that sets you apart in some profound way can be acceptable, with the right trade-off.

 

In the case of the Inquisitor having some kind of literal rare and marvelous spirit, hope for example, it would work since it's something they were born with (as?) and it's not something that just *happened* to them and changed who they are. The only problem I can see with it is if you're roleplaying some hardened, selfish angry person who doesn't care about anyone but themselves, in that case it's a bit difficult to see a spirit of hope, but it wouldn't be impossible. It could just be that their hope is inadvertent, something of a side-effect. Just like the Inquisitor who denies any connection to Andraste/the Maker - he/she keeps telling everyone they aren't the "Herald of Andraste" but it doesn't matter, because through their actions, they are still a beacon of hope, inadvertently or not. The only problem still is that they are more of a beacon of hope through circumstance rather than choice.

[AutumnOracle]

Just played through a section of Trespasser again. The spirit in the library says 'wisdom from compassion' so Cole's spirit is cpassion but that doesn't negage his ability to have/show other traits.

[Colonelkillabee]

I was thinking the same thing: I DUB THEE THREAD DAD.

 

 

THOU ART DUBBED THREAD NANNY.

 

and I get to be the crazy drunk aunt who only shows up when she's short on cash and needs a place to crash or something. Thread Mom is up for grabs, and Killabee gets to be the thread Disowned Uncle.

I'll take it, lol.

 

 

**** what happened to Killabee anyway. Miss that crazy guy.

Awww

[MayriyaNoori]

Just played through a section of Trespasser again. The spirit in the library says 'wisdom from compassion' so Cole's spirit is cpassion but that doesn't negage his ability to have/show other traits.

That line also made me do a little double take.

[Orleans87]

You may be interpreting what I said a bit too literally. I never said anything about Quizzy just popping out of the Fade and doing Hopeful things with hardly any input from the player.

 

And the fact that Quizzies have background is hardly an evidence against them being an embodiment of certain spirit underneath it all - ALL (most of) Thedosians at some point began as/have spirits. There's enough of evidence to suggest that this is hardly a matter of headcanon. That some of them may be born with particularly strong spirit and guided to meet their destiny is more than an interesting thought as well, given everything that was said in either DAI or even previous games about fate, destiny, inevitability, miracles or prophecies. 

 

And, in fact, Quizzies coming from limited backgrounds (even if we can pick form a few provided to us) only seems to fall in neatly into some sort of Greater Plan, or perhaps Emergency Plan For Thedas: we can be a Dalish First or a minor Ostwick noble (all exclusively from Free Marches) - but we can never be an Antivan elf assassin with no leg or half-dwarf Fereldan mabari trainer. Inquisitors are not as "random" as people want them to be - nor are their actions (at least some crucial ones).

I like that interpretation.

Maybe even the Anchor has something to do with Quizzy getting a closer connection to her/his spiritual side? 

I hope not though because it would take away from the character itself.

 

I rather like to see the Inquisitor being special for who he/she basically is and not some spirit melt to make them a different person with different morals.

 

I wonder what kind of spirit an A**quisitor would embody though

[Colonelkillabee]

If there has to be some hocus pocus going on with Quizzy and spirits, I'd rather it be that the anchor was affecting us, making us more spirit/god like, rather than us starting out that way, or any way related to spirits and so on.

[The Lone Shadow]

I like that interpretation.

Maybe even the Anchor has something to do with Quizzy getting a closer connection to her/his spiritual side? 

I hope not though because it would take away from the character itself.

 

I rather like to see the Inquisitor being special for who he/she basically is and not some spirit melt to make them a different person with different morals.

 

I wonder what kind of spirit an A**quisitor would embody though

 

Ditto. Also, A** might be the Spirit of Command. The Command Spirit at Crestwood said that it felt a kinship to you or a connection. Or maybe A*** Quizz is just the embodiment of A***.

[AutumnOracle]

At this point I could go either way in headcannon. Either we have a special spirit which sounds awesome. Or even though Solas sees a rare spirit that spirit is one of our own making which is kind of a slap in his face becuase it means that it's possible for spirits to grow organically in today's society separate from the fade. Also pretty awesome.

[NightSymphony]

If there has to be some hocus pocus going on with Quizzy and spirits, I'd rather it be that the anchor was affecting us, making us more spirit/god like, rather than us starting out that way, or any way related to spirits and so on.

Hey you. Just yesterday I noticed you sent me a friend request like forever ago.  I'm slow. :-P  It's nice to see you again.

[AutumnOracle]

If there has to be some hocus pocus going on with Quizzy and spirits, I'd rather it be that the anchor was affecting us, making us more spirit/god like, rather than us starting out that way, or any way related to spirits and so on.

I wouldn't because that is exactly what Solas thinks about you in the first place. And I want him to be wrong a lot so I can show him his faults later when trying to talk him down.