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I don't think being a special snowflake *always* cheapens the character. Sometimes the aspect that makes the character "special" or different is also an inherent flaw that can build the character. Having any kind of special ability or something that sets you apart in some profound way can be acceptable, with the right trade-off.

 

In the case of the Inquisitor having some kind of literal rare and marvelous spirit, hope for example, it would work since it's something they were born with (as?) and it's not something that just *happened* to them and changed who they are. The only problem I can see with it is if you're roleplaying some hardened, selfish angry person who doesn't care about anyone but themselves, in that case it's a bit difficult to see a spirit of hope, but it wouldn't be impossible. It could just be that their hope is inadvertent, something of a side-effect. Just like the Inquisitor who denies any connection to Andraste/the Maker - he/she keeps telling everyone they aren't the "Herald of Andraste" but it doesn't matter, because through their actions, they are still a beacon of hope, inadvertently or not. The only problem still is that they are more of a beacon of hope through circumstance rather than choice.

 

That's the thing - do you become a beacon of hope due to circumstance (what fate and others decide) or do you ACTUALLY become a beacon of true hope? Do you earn it, or do you just blindly follow?

 

I mean, aside from this all hypothetical Hope thing, the story of DAI was a case of 'special snowflake' with incredible destiny - it gave Inquisitor a truly unique ability and position in the world, but his/her decisions and treatment of others were an important factor in how some aspects of the story have ultimately played out.

 

All Quizzies have survived Haven, all were named Heralds and later made Inquisitors and all of them have defeated Corypheus - but only those who tried and befriended people and helped them overcome their own obstacles gained good friends and benefits that came with them. Only those who wanted or made thoughtful decisions have impressed Solas enough for him to reconsider his plan and gave approved Quizzies a chance to perhaps change his mind and resolve things in more optimal way than those who have squandered what they were given, got themselves lost or miscalculated on too many fronts.

 

And like I said before - if other spirits can be corrupted or made to never reach the height of what they can be, so can Hope. A-holes can never reach what good or positive can lie within if they don't find any motivation or incentive in doing so. It's perfectly consistent in a world Thedas, where both spirits and people have a wiggle room in what ultimately they are or are drawn to, even if fate or initial nature of embodied spirit puts them on a certain route. How that route is walked, still depends in great deal on a person or whatever influences them.



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Hey you. Just yesterday I noticed you sent me a friend request like forever ago.  I'm slow. :-P  It's nice to see you again.

I saw that, lol, gave me a chuckle :D I have good timing it seems.

 

I wouldn't because that is exactly what Solas thinks about you in the first place. And I want him to be wrong a lot so I can show him his faults later when trying to talk him down.

Yes, though he did ask if you were like this before the anchor. And from what Cole says about you, I think it's evident that it affects us somehow. It's the key for a "god"'s mojo, it's gotta do something, right? I'd assume, since we're apparently "brighter" according to Spirit Boy.


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At this point I could go either way in headcannon. Either we have a special spirit which sounds awesome. Or even though Solas sees a rare spirit that spirit is one of our own making which is kind of a slap in his face becuase it means that it's possible for spirits to grow organically in today's society separate from the fade. Also pretty awesome.

 

 

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My very exciting Friday night. Reading your posts, cleaning my apartment, and about to make tea,

 

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At this point I could go either way in headcannon. Either we have a special spirit which sounds awesome. Or even though Solas sees a rare spirit that spirit is one of our own making which is kind of a slap in his face becuase it means that it's possible for spirits to grow organically in today's society separate from the fade. Also pretty awesome.

I like this a lot.  He needs to see this happening too, that this world has possibilities that are worth saving.



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Creepiest part of the dlc. When Cole mentions the pulsing anchor in it's final days and mentions he's sorry.

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Ditto. Also, A** might be the Spirit of Command. The Command Spirit at Crestwood said that it felt a kinship to you or a connection. Or maybe A*** Quizz is just the embodiment of A***.

Ooooo....I bet a corrupt Spirit of Command is a Control Demon.

 

It works.


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Creepiest part of the dlc. When Cole mentions the pulsing anchor in it's final days and mentions he's sorry.

 

Creepy? Ominous, I'd consider. It was moving and kind of sweet to me. Cole caring <3


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Also, I feel like if the Quizz is a spirit of Hope that that would cheapen their character a bit. I like thinking that my character was a random nobody who somehow, in spite of impossible odds, was able to overcome all those obstacles.

Ha!  :lol:  I rather prefer my character be special in some way with some kind of power or advantage, because in real life I am not special except to my family, and so many things in my life are so difficult and out of my control.

 

I can't personally see why it is cheap if a player character has a notably (noted as such by Solas, a man who can pick out Mythal's spirit in another body entirely) rare and marvelous spirit, in a world that is chock full of other less subtle spirits, (and if the Inquisitor has a Hope or Valor or Courage or Determination spirit innate to them, maybe Seggrit has the wisp of a Greed spirit and Charter has a spirit of Secrecy at her core, etc, etc...Perhaps on a meta-level all Solas is seeing with his elf-eyes is that you are the avatar to some outside force, aka the PLAYER SPIRIT :P). 

 

In any case, they were marked by the Anchor, literally made special whether they were an assquisitor or a saint, and the spirity thing is headcanon, even if it makes sense to me. There is something that put the Inquisitor in the right place at the right time (aka the plot gods) which means they have an outside influence a destiny, regardless.

 

I've been watching the Darjeeling Limited and trying to type at the same time so forgive me if this is garbled and nonsensical.


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It gave me chills. Moreso after knowing you lose the hand. Still love Cole and glad for the feels from him. But it had that edge of disconcerting enough to be kind of creepy. Like a good horror movie.

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1) Zlugny qrnq ? 2) Srynffna xvyyrq ol jub 3) Zbeevtna unf Zlguny 

 

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I don't think being a special snowflake *always* cheapens the character. Sometimes the aspect that makes the character "special" or different is also an inherent flaw that can build the character. Having any kind of special ability or something that sets you apart in some profound way can be acceptable, with the right trade-off.

 

I'm taking a creative writing course this semester, and my professor said on the first day, "In the hands of a good writer, anything is possible."

 

There are a lot of "common sense" "writing don'ts" that a lot of people say, "Never ever ever ever do under any circumstances!" which I think are themselves not so bad if they're handled by a gifted writer. (For example, "Never make a 'passive protagonist.' Your protagonist has to make everything happen to them instead of letting things happen to them, or the story is rot." Yet, many of Ronald Dahl's protagonists were "pinball protagonists" who were pushed around by the hands of Fate [particularly Charlie and the Chocolate Factory and James and the Giant Peach], yet he still managed to make likable characters with engaging stories, and remains a very popular and enduring children's fiction author.)

 

With that said, I think there are a lot of common writing pitfalls for inexperienced or ungifted authors, and the general advice, "Avoid writing this if you're inexperienced or unsure if you can really make this work" got morphed by the public mind into "Never use this under any circumstances!"

 

I agree that a so-called "special snowflake" can work if handled well and given the right trade off.  :)

 

I mean, Solas' entire romance is built around the "You are unique, I have never met anyone as special as you [and I'm an immortal being of legend]" card, yet there's something sweet and well-written/animated/voice-acted enough about his romance that drew most of us here, rather than just repulsing us because "OMG that's so cliche!" or "Aw man, that's straight out of Twilight!"


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Oh hey, isn't "hope" the yin to "dread" yang?


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Ha!  :lol:  I rather prefer my character be special in some way with some kind of power or advantage, because in real life I am not special except to my family, and so many things in my life are so difficult and out of my control.

 

I can't personally see why it is cheap if a player character has a notably (noted as such by Solas, a man who can pick out Mythal's spirit in another body entirely) rare and marvelous spirit, in a world that is chock full of other less subtle spirits, (and if the Inquisitor has a Hope or Valor or Courage or Determination spirit innate to them, maybe Seggrit has the wisp of a Greed spirit and Charter has a spirit of Secrecy at her core, etc, etc...Perhaps on a meta-level all Solas is seeing with his elf-eyes is that you are the avatar to some outside force, aka the PLAYER SPIRIT :P). 

 

In any case, they were marked by the Anchor, literally made special whether they were an assquisitor or a saint, and the spirity thing is headcanon, even if it makes sense to me. There is something that put the Inquisitor in the right place at the right time (aka the plot gods) which means they have an outside influence a destiny, regardless.

 

I've been watching the Darjeeling Limited and trying to type at the same time so forgive me if this is garbled and nonsensical.

 

Can't speak for others, but for me it would just take away from his/her story, since originally it was that we were ordinary people that either were singled out as special by andraste, for her maybe recognizing our natural potential, or us stepping up to the plate when chance threw us in a position to change the world.

 

For me, if my character has some special spirit he was born with, then some of what makes him awesome isn't really him as a man. It's like how people say Jesus had an advantage over us lowly humans because he was the son of God/was God.


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Oh hey, isn't "hope" the yin to "dread" yang?

Ouch, does this mean Solas is a Pride AND Despair/Dread?

 

The depths of sadness......

 

....Solas has no limits!


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Wouldn't the opposite of hope be despair?


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Ha!  :lol:  I rather prefer my character be special in some way with some kind of power or advantage, because in real life I am not special except to my family, and so many things in my life are so difficult and out of my control.

 

I can't personally see why it is cheap if a player character has a notably (noted as such by Solas, a man who can pick out Mythal's spirit in another body entirely) rare and marvelous spirit, in a world that is chock full of other less subtle spirits, (and if the Inquisitor has a Hope or Valor or Courage or Determination spirit innate to them, maybe Seggrit has the wisp of a Greed spirit and Charter has a spirit of Secrecy at her core, etc, etc...Perhaps on a meta-level all Solas is seeing with his elf-eyes is that you are the avatar to some outside force, aka the PLAYER SPIRIT :P). 

 

In any case, they were marked by the Anchor, literally made special whether they were an assquisitor or a saint, and the spirity thing is headcanon, even if it makes sense to me. There is something that put the Inquisitor in the right place at the right time (aka the plot gods) which means they have an outside influence a destiny, regardless.

 

I've been watching the Darjeeling Limited and trying to type at the same time so forgive me if this is garbled and nonsensical.

 

I guess it just how I've set my Quizz's story as them really being just some nobody who happened to be at the right place at the right time. They becoming special not because of some innate specialness, but because of how they dealt with the things that happened to them. If that makes any sense. Like the Quizz choosing instead of being chosen. I mean I feel its more impressive if a lowly spirit achieved all that the Inquasitor achieved instead of a great spirit achieving greatness. Like Hawke and the Warden, they were nobodies that somehow made it to greatness. Might be just my favoritism towards underdogs.


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I like that interpretation. :rolleyes:

Maybe even the Anchor has something to do with Quizzy getting a closer connection to her/his spiritual side? 

I hope not though because it would take away from the character itself.

 

Whether Quizzy embodies a specific spirit or not, those whom Solas approves do seem to be closer to their spiritual/Fadey side, otherwise Solas likely wouldn't feel familiarity with them or deem them as "real" in his eyes. 

 

In any case - not really sure how that takes away from character, when many of their actions are already considered miraculous or driven by higher power.

 

I mean, even thinking "the whole bestowing Anchor thing was an accident" (or surviving Haven) doesn't really make anything better, because ultimately it was an accident, an not anything Quizzy had any conscious input in.

 

 

I rather like to see the Inquisitor being special for who he/she basically is and not some spirit melt to make them a different person with different morals.

 

Um, what do you mean a person with different morals?

 

If they indeed embody certain spirit form the very start of their life (and Solas asks approved Lavellans "if the Dalish can raise a person with a spirit like yours, have I misjudged them?", clearly implying that they were what the were since birth), they're never a different person - they're always Quizzies.

 

What they received from fate is a chance to realize their potential and become great - and even that doesn't mean that they can't squander that chance (and possibly doom Thedas if they stay selfish or short-sighted), which will ultimately prove Solas that Thedas is indeed bleak and hopeless, when it corrupts even the strong and rare among spirits who manifested out of the Fade and turns them from becoming a truly world-changing force in their own right.


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Ouch, does this mean Solas is a Pride AND Despair/Dread?

 

The depths of sadness......

 

....Solas has no limits!

 

 

By the time we actually get news/a new game, Solas will likely have 100 new attributions and plans thanks to the wait time for theorycrafting. :P :lol:


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Whether Quizzy embodies a specific spirit or not, those whom Solas approves do seem to be closer to their spiritual/Fadey side, otherwise Solas likely wouldn't feel familiarity with them or deem them as "real" in his eyes. 

 

In any case - not really sure how that takes away from character, when many of their actions are already considered miraculous or driven by higher power.

 

I mean, even thinking "the whole bestowing Anchor thing was an accident" (or surviving Haven) doesn't really make anything better, because ultimately it was an accident, an not anything Quizzy had any conscious input in.

 

 

Um, what do you mean a person with different morals?

 

If they indeed embody certain spirit form the very start of their life (and Solas asks approved Lavellans "if the Dalish can raise a person with a spirit like yours, have I misjudged them?", clearly implying that they were what the were since birth), they're never a different person - they're always Quizzies.

 

What they received from fate is a chance to realize their potential and become great - and even that doesn't mean that they can't squander that chance (and possibly doom Thedas if they stay selfish or short-sighted), which will ultimately prove Solas that Thedas is indeed bleak and hopeless, when it corrupts even the strong and rare among spirits who manifested out of the Fade and turns them from becoming a truly world-changing force in their own right.

 

But they might very well not being devinly driven (unless it turns out the whole Maker thing is true) and it did take concuious effort. It took the Quizz to decide to save the Devine when she heard them cry out for help, and it was their actions that led them to survive Haven. Its like one of the responces you can give to Spirit Justinia after collecting all you're memories. "I did this all on my own, no Maker required."



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Wouldn't the opposite of hope be despair?

 

I was thinking about that - but isn't Compassion turning to Despair under bad circumstances... or to, well, Nightmare, judging what Justinia said of the demon in the Fade? I suppose there's more than one answer to that.

 

Anyway - I think the polar opposite of hope may be either Despair or Apathy.... and apathy seems to be what is infecting Solas (well, despair is definitely consuming his soul alright. Frikking king of Angst...). He's surrendered himself to thinking there's no other way and seems to be completely resigned to the fact that whatever outcome of his world-changing decisions may be, he himself is doomed and with little to no hope for redemption.


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Art

 

hehe..adorable liliumsnow comic

http://liliumsnow.de...t-AU2-561124306

 

Lavellan and Fen'harel Fadewalking

http://vans021.devia...sArts-561089198

 

Solas and Lavellan

http://lily-girl414....henan-561099030

 

So Sleepy

http://twin-daggers....ellan-561092751

 

Trespasser Comic

http://shortfury.dev...ILERS-561078928


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By the time we actually get news/a new game, Solas will likely have 100 new attributions and plans thanks to the wait time for theorycrafting. :P :lol:

Solas.....once the epitome of Hope, Wisdom and Freedom. He inspired all with his presence and good works.

 

And then folks starting actin' a fool and he turned into Despair, Pride and Crazy and made the terrible decision of altering the very fabric of space and time.

 

Seriuosly, who alters the fabric of Space and Time and doesn't sit for a minute and think of the consequences?!?!?!?!

 

It is meaningless. We endure.

 

I need sleep. Off to uthenera folks.


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I'm taking a creative writing course this semester, and my professor said on the first day, "In the hands of a good writer, anything is possible."

 

There are a lot of "common sense" "writing don'ts" that a lot of people say, "Never ever ever ever do under any circumstances!" which I think are themselves not so bad if they're handled by a gifted writer. (For example, "Never make a 'passive protagonist.' Your protagonist has to make everything happen to them instead of letting things happen to them, or the story is rot." Yet, many of Ronald Dahl's protagonists were "pinball protagonists" who were pushed around by the hands of Fate [particularly Charlie and the Chocolate Factory and James and the Giant Peach], yet he still managed to make likable characters with engaging stories, and remains a very popular and enduring children's fiction author.)

 

With that said, I think there are a lot of common writing pitfalls for inexperienced or ungifted authors, and the general advice, "Avoid writing this if you're inexperienced or unsure if you can really make this work" got morphed by the public mind into "Never use this under any circumstances!"

 

I agree that a so-called "special snowflake" can work if handled well and given the right trade off.  :)

 

I mean, Solas' entire romance is built around the "You are unique, I have never met anyone as special as you [and I'm an immortal being of legend]" card, yet there's something sweet and well-written/animated/voice-acted enough about his romance that drew most of us here, rather than just repulsing us because "OMG that's so cliche!" or "Aw man, that's straight out of Twilight!"

 

This. There are no rules, just guidelines from accumulated experience of what works and what doesn't. But if someone's skill/cockiness ratio is well-balanced, they can experiment once in a while and succeed. 

 

As for the specialness: Usually I'm not a fan of special. I prefer interesting. Give me people whose poop smells just as much as for the rest of us, but who are unlike anyone else you have met. I would like to get to know those.

 

But we already know Weekes is good at doing special. We have a man who's revered as god by some, an immortal among mortals, and an exceptionally good mage at minimum. But he seems real. Until the very end, he was mostly the dork who rambled on about the fade and set his coattails on fire. We also have a spirit with special spirity powers whose spirity babble confuses everyone, but he was mostly an endearing young man. 

 

So if they want to make quizzy the spirit of whatever, that's fine. As long as I can use my spirity powers to cheat at Wicked Grace. 


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