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Sorry to interrupt what's being discussed at the moment, but I'm doing another Solavellan playthrough (disaster mage, gonna make all the wrong choices!), and I found it absolutely hilarious that the first thing Solas talks about when you ask him about the Fade is what it'd be like if the Veil wasn't there. And when you're talking about spirits you can say:

 

Inquisitor: Is there a way to change that? To coexist without such open hostility? (Or something to that effect, I can't remember right now)

AND SOLAS SAYS: Not in the world we know today, but it matters that you thought to ask.

 

NNNNNNNNGH! I'M ENCOURAGING HIM!

 

I always choose that, I don't see it as encouraging him, to be honest. I think by this stage his mind is already made up. (I could be wrong of course). I pick the option for the same reason Cee does, because Lavellan is curious and broad-minded. Additionally, if you were to look at it in terms of his purpose, perhaps a question like that can encourage him to think about peaceful alternatives to his plan.

 

Solas is terribly patronizing. I never noticed it much with people he respects, like Lavellan or Cassandra, but you just have to listen to his banters with Sera or Vivienne to know it's true.

 

I get the feeling this is the main reason why there is so much Solas-hate.



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Whether Quizzy embodies a specific spirit or not, those whom Solas approves do seem to be closer to their spiritual/Fadey side, otherwise Solas likely wouldn't feel familiarity with them or deem them as "real" in his eyes. 

 

In any case - not really sure how that takes away from character, when many of their actions are already considered miraculous or driven by higher power.

 

I mean, even thinking "the whole bestowing Anchor thing was an accident" (or surviving Haven) doesn't really make anything better, because ultimately it was an accident, an not anything Quizzy had any conscious input in.

 

 

 

 

I don't mind Quizzy having a possible connection to her/his spiritual side through birth, something that is inherent to them without influence from the anchor.
Of course, the anchor puts the Inquisitor in the center of turmoil in the first place, and as you said, gives them a chance to realize their potential or squander it.
No problems with that. :)

 

 

 

 

Um, what do you mean a person with different morals?

 

If they indeed embody certain spirit form the very start of their life (and Solas asks approved Lavellans "if the Dalish can raise a person with a spirit like yours, have I misjudged them?", clearly implying that they were what the were since birth), they're never a different person - they're always Quizzies.

 

What they received from fate is a chance to realize their potential and become great - and even that doesn't mean that they can't squander that chance (and possibly doom Thedas if they stay selfish or short-sighted), which will ultimately prove Solas that Thedas is indeed bleak and hopeless, when it corrupts even the strong and rare among spirits who manifested out of the Fade and turns them from becoming a truly world-changing force in their own right.

 

 

 

 
Solas himself asks the Inquisitor if the anchor changed her/his morals or spirit and an implication like that just doesn't sit well with me. 
It sounds like that the Inquisitor would be under some kind of compulsion to do things he/she wouldnt normally do, or be able to accomplish the things he/she does.
This would really cheapen the character for me and especially the Solas romance, because it implies that Solas would have never looked at the little non-person twice without the guidance of a spirit through the anchor. :unsure:

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Solas himself asks the Inquisitor if the anchor changed her/his morals or spirit and an implication like that just doesn't sit well with me. 

It sounds like that the Inquisitor would be under some kind of compulsion to do things he/she wouldnt normally do, or be able to accomplish the things he/she does.
This would really cheapen the character for me and especially the Solas romance, because it implies that Solas would have never looked at the little non-person twice without the guidance of a spirit through the anchor. :unsure:

 

 

Why he asks has some unfortunate implications, but I don't think it has anything to do with the anchor actually being a spirit. He asks the Inquisitor if the mark has changed them, because he's hoping for a way out. At this point he knows that the Inquisitor is a 'person'. They are real. If the mark had changed them, then he could have rationalized his feelings towards them as- 'Oh, well, they are only this way because the mark is old magic.' The mark is why they are unique.

 

So, he is still trying to justify seeing them as a non-person. He's just failing at it. He killed Felassan for seeing someone as a person, I don't think its unreasonable that Solas is attempting to grasp at straws to find a reason that would justify his attachment to the Inquisitor. 


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Oh admit it, she liked asking questions because she liked seeing that "Solas slightly approves" in the corner of her screen :lol: Or was that me xDDD

 

If that was the case she wouldn't have kept the Grey Wardens around. ;)

Or asked if he'd been to court before when he talked about how much he had missed it. Or quite a few other things.



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I always choose that, I don't see it as encouraging him, to be honest. I think by this stage his mind is already made up. (I could be wrong of course). I pick the option for the same reason Cee does, because Lavellan is curious and broad-minded. Additionally, if you were to look at it in terms of his purpose, perhaps a question like that can encourage him to think about peaceful alternatives to his plan.

 

I've always chosen that option too. My Rogue Lavellan's twin is a Mage and she's close to her Keeper so she's pretty acclimatized to the magical world and spirits. Plus she's open-minded, and always tries to play "neutral" as much as she can (which makes her awful for the "this or that" choices in game, since she tends to make decisions that have immediate benefits with little thought to what could happen in the future, but it makes her a great diplomat so she did well at the Winter Ball).

 

But I'm seeing the starting conversation in an entirely new light now, which makes replaying the game worthwhile. x)


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Why he asks has some unfortunate implications, but I don't think it has anything to do with the anchor actually being a spirit. He asks the Inquisitor if the mark has changed them, because he's hoping for a way out. At this point he knows that the Inquisitor is a 'person'. They are real. If the mark had changed them, then he could have rationalized his feelings towards them as- 'Oh, well, they are only this way because the mark is old magic.' The mark is why they are unique.

 

So, he is still trying to justify seeing them as a non-person. He's just failing at it. He killed Felassan for seeing someone as a person, I don't think its unreasonable that Solas is attempting to grasp at straws to find a reason that would justify his attachment to the Inquisitor. 

 

THIS!!

I thought so as well but the first time I heard him ask this I was like

 

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I just hope the god of fan tears won't go there



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http://sihaofskyhold...ing-solas-hmmmm

 

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Solas: … There’s something lacking…
Solas: Hmmmm…
Solas: Ah, I know!
*Solas adds lines to show his beautiful butt*
Solas: There. My posterity is complete.

 

 

^_^


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This is in three parts, beginning in the house you wake up in: http://dragonage.wik...nt_Observations

 

In the first mission, where you meet Varric and Solas. Solas greets you and -

 

Varric: He means, "I kept that mark from killing you while you slept."

 

And the Fade Haven dream gives some more details.

 

Oh, that. Yes, I know about that. I thought you were talking about something else not immediately obvious. 

 

Still, when Cassandra and the Inquisitor catch up with Leliana and Chancellor Roderick, I didn't notice that when the mark started to consume her again, Solas took a slight step forward and concentrated a little, then her mark stopped growing. 

 

I don't know if he kept it from growing during the next three days she was out of commision. Adan's notes and conversation indicate that he was the one who was looking after you and "patching you up" while you slept. Solas only commented that your hand was "thrumming with unknown magic" while you slept. If Solas did keep your mark from spreading after sealing the Breach, he kept it secret.

 

My PCs can never let their friends or beloveds indulge in revenge, not Garrus, Sera, Solas...nope. They're all hippies I guess. Friends don't let friends execute people in a moment of passion. Revenge is what got Solas and Thedas in this whole mess. Allowing Solas to murder those mages doesn't seem like a step on the path to his redemption.   

 

I'm disappointed the choice about Solas and the mages isn't in the Keep. It should make a difference in the future.

 

I don't agree with this. Imagine if our companions kept us from getting revenge on someone who grievously wronged us and/or our loved ones,just because they decided it was in our best interest not to let us "execute people in a moment of passion."

 

Imagine if Alistair kept Cousland from killing Vaughan Howe out of revenge for their family, because we need him as an ally and we shouldn't let a little thing like our slaughtered family consume us. Imagine if Riordan invoked the Rite of Conscription and forced the Warden to "spare" Loghain by recruiting him into the Grey Wardens, even if, say, a City Elf desperately wants to publicly execute him as an example for enslaving their family. Imagine if your companions fixed Orzammar's succession behind your back to let Bhelen rule Orzammar even if you're a Dwarf Noble who wants to get even him getting you set up/framed, exiled, and left to die in the Deep Roads.

 

It's not for me to pass judgment on whether characters are rightfully angry or just "indulging in revenge," because I'm not in their shoes, and I sure as sugar wouldn't like them doing it to me if they were in my shoes.

 

With that said, in my first playthrough I did try to stop Solas from killing the mages, partly because the glint in his eye frightened me, but also because, at the end of the day, the mages didn't know any better. They did what they did out of pure ignorance, not malice. Certainly, most of Thedas (most of us before we played Inquisition) doesn't realize that spirits are sapient beings that are naturally inclined toward peaceful semi-existence driven mad when summoned and bound against their will. Certainly, they summoned the spirit to protect them from bandits; if they'd known doing so would cause it to go berserk and attack them, they never would have done it.

 

That said, I only tentatively clicked the "stop Solas from killing mages" fully intending to reload if the plea came across as too moralistic or self-righteous. If she had given some patronizing speech about how he should just get over the mages kidnapping, imprisoning, torturing, and killing his oldest friend, I would have reloaded in a heartbeat. However, I like how there doesn't need to be some impassioned speech or sabotage (like Hawke physically withholding the Dalish mirror instrument to Merrill); you just gently say his name, and that's enough to bring him back to himself.

 

I feel bad, but... they were just idiots. Just ignorant mages who didn't know better. That's worth a lot of reprimands, but not getting executed, in my book.

 

Sorry to interrupt what's being discussed at the moment, but I'm doing another Solavellan playthrough (disaster mage, gonna make all the wrong choices!), and I found it absolutely hilarious that the first thing Solas talks about when you ask him about the Fade is what it'd be like if the Veil wasn't there. And when you're talking about spirits you can say:

 

Inquisitor: Is there a way to change that? To coexist without such open hostility? (Or something to that effect, I can't remember right now)

AND SOLAS SAYS: Not in the world we know today, but it matters that you thought to ask.

 

NNNNNNNNGH! I'M ENCOURAGING HIM!

 

Let's be honest, he would have done this no matter what.

 

I don't think there's anything wrong with that though. I honestly thought the world he described sounded wondrous, and I can understand now why he misses it and wants it back. Why pretend to hate a world you can also see the beauty in, just because you think that slapping down his hopes and dreams will make him want to abandon it?

 

In fact, it seems to me that showing appreciation and encouragement of the world Solas remembers makes him more appreciative and open to sparing this world. He fundamentally believes this world is too cut off from the Fade to absorb any of its good qualities or appreciate its beauty, and that all the problems between the Fade and physical world come from the physical world literally demonizing it. Being one of those Inquisitors who constantly slaps down his love of the Fade and spirits likely confirms his feelings that the gap between the Fade and physical world is too wide and he has to tear it down, but showing appreciation shows him that the gap is not as wide as he thought, and that people in this world can connect with and appreciate the Fade despite being cut off from it by the Veil, and he's more likely to see value in this world and want to spare it.


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Why he asks has some unfortunate implications, but I don't think it has anything to do with the anchor actually being a spirit. He asks the Inquisitor if the mark has changed them, because he's hoping for a way out. At this point he knows that the Inquisitor is a 'person'. They are real. If the mark had changed them, then he could have rationalized his feelings towards them as- 'Oh, well, they are only this way because the mark is old magic.' The mark is why they are unique.

 

So, he is still trying to justify seeing them as a non-person. He's just failing at it. He killed Felassan for seeing someone as a person, I don't think its unreasonable that Solas is attempting to grasp at straws to find a reason that would justify his attachment to the Inquisitor. 

 

In retrospect you can really see that he's trying to deny that this world has merit. He wants to believe that the only reason the Inquisitor is intriguing to him is because of the anchor; because of his magic. Which makes the whole 'Sorry to disappoint' dialogue a lot more poignant, I guess. He seems weirdly unhappy and disappointed to find that you've always been 'you' because he is unhappy and disappointed. It's really not what he wanted to hear.


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In retrospect you can really see that he's trying to deny that this world has merit. He wants to believe that the only reason the Inquisitor is intriguing to him is because of the anchor; because of his magic. Which makes the whole 'Sorry to disappoint' dialogue a lot more poignant, I guess. He seems weirdly unhappy and disappointed to find that you've always been 'you' because he is unhappy and disappointed. It's really not what he wanted to hear.

 

Back when we were still innocently working our way through the DA:I campaign, my BFF and I did a little thought exercise of what our PCs would be like in each others' canons, if they weren't Inquisitor.  Mine probably would have been one of the scouts in her universe.  Looking back on that chat, it does make me wonder if Solas would have fallen in love with Lavellan without the Anchor. 

 

He certainly would have taken less notice at first.  The Anchor is his magic, from his orb, and the one wielding it is the most interesting to him at the start.  Assuming they interact on a semi-regular basis (like the rest of the Inner Circle and Solas), I think he would come to like and respect her, but he might not be filled with the same burning curiosity that he shows at the start of DA:I toward quizzy.  I think it's still possible for him to fall in love with her, but it would take longer, and possibly challenge him more since there is no Anchor to raise the issue of whether it's changed her in any way.  It's just her.


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As for Solas and Felassan? Where in this tweet did he confirm that Solas didn't kill him? Like, they didn't put 'the slow arrow breaks in the sad wolf's jaws' in there for no reason. It's likely Solas killed Felassan. If he didn't outright kill him, he at least killed him in the Fade rendering him tranquil. If he didn't strike the blow himself, he likely ordered it. The slow arrow breaks in the sad wolf's jaws. Like how much more is needed ahaha??? Cole basically held up a neon flashing sign. Was there some guy whose name was Orlesian for slow arrow that was killed by an Avvar wolf spirit?????? Was Cole lying? Was Cole drunk?? Like

??????????????? guys

guys i cant compute

 

Solas isn't a 100% good guy. Why are people so invested in this idea that he'd never murder his friend?? Pay attention to his characterization. He absolutely would. He is a flawed man who has done some terrible things and no, he is not above committing murder. He literally can commit murder in front of your face in the game.

 

PW also says Solas doesn't kill unnecessarily. There was absolutely no need to kill Felassan. Solas got back the Eluvians. Solas MAY murder the 3 mages that tortured his friend and were responsible for his friend's death, out of vengeance but again, even then you can talk him out of it.  He is not above killing but killing is not something he does without reason. 

 

As for what Cole says, the sad wolf might feel responsible for Felassan's death, but it may not have been what the sad wolf ordered or wanted or did it himself. I think there is an overzealous Solas agent somewhere that killed Felassan. It fits with what Cole said, it fits with what Solas said, it fits the character much better than outright murder.

 

 And also fits the future. Stopping Solas plans by talking him out of it sounds too easy. He will just go to his mass of followers and agents and say "You know those plans I told you ? Never mind them, I changed my mind", and everyone of his followers will just go home ? No, there are some of them who believed in the mission and will question Solas and try to proceed regardless. The agent who killed Flassan in Solas name is the ideal guy to lead those people who still want to complete Solas plan. An antagonist now that Solas jumped to our side

 

I think Weekes has a lot more imagination than you are giving him credit for. Things he said are not that obvious and Solas is a lot more nuanced than black and white.


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I've always chosen that option too. My Rogue Lavellan's twin is a Mage and she's close to her Keeper so she's pretty acclimatized to the magical world and spirits. Plus she's open-minded, and always tries to play "neutral" as much as she can (which makes her awful for the "this or that" choices in game, since she tends to make decisions that have immediate benefits with little thought to what could happen in the future, but it makes her a great diplomat so she did well at the Winter Ball).

 

But I'm seeing the starting conversation in an entirely new light now, which makes replaying the game worthwhile. x)

 

Mine has no magic in her immediate family, but her sister and the First were planning a life together, and one of my Lavellan's closest friends in the clan is a mage. She's less weirded out by magic than some might be, and she felt engaging that curiosity was a good response.

 

It is worth playing through again now that we have what we do. They did a good job making things follow.


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Back when we were still innocently working our way through the DA:I campaign, my BFF and I did a little thought exercise of what our PCs would be like in each others' canons, if they weren't Inquisitor.  Mine probably would have been one of the scouts in her universe.  Looking back on that chat, it does make me wonder if Solas would have fallen in love with Lavellan without the Anchor. 

 

He certainly would have taken less notice at first.  The Anchor is his magic, from his orb, and the one wielding it is the most interesting to him at the start.  Assuming they interact on a semi-regular basis (like the rest of the Inner Circle and Solas), I think he would come to like and respect her, but he might not be filled with the same burning curiosity that he shows at the start of DA:I toward quizzy.  I think it's still possible for him to fall in love with her, but it would take longer, and possibly challenge him more since there is no Anchor to raise the issue of whether it's changed her in any way.  It's just her.

What if the Anchor is like Mjolnir and only goes easily to the ones who are worthy ? Lavellan getting the Anchor piqued Solas interest a lot more than just "the lucky sod that was in the right place at the right time". Maybe the Anchor would not have bonded with just anyone and that is why Solas looks at you so keenly throughout the game. (Cory would use his magic to try to bypass that ofc)



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In retrospect you can really see that he's trying to deny that this world has merit. He wants to believe that the only reason the Inquisitor is intriguing to him is because of the anchor; because of his magic. Which makes the whole 'Sorry to disappoint' dialogue a lot more poignant, I guess. He seems weirdly unhappy and disappointed to find that you've always been 'you' because he is unhappy and disappointed. It's really not what he wanted to hear.

 

But when you do choose the "Sorry to disappoint" option, he immedaitely says "It's not disappointing, it's- *sighs*".

He's deeply conflicted. As Mims says he's still looking for a reason to mark the Inquisitor as special because it helps him cling onto his idea that nothing and no one's real so he can carry on with his plan, on the other hand I think a bit part of him wants to be proven wrong, because he doesn't want to carry on with his plan.

 

SOLAS YOU SAD PUPPY!


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Oh hey, another art post. xD

 

deedylovescake made an alternative version to this artwork, where this time it maybe takes place several years later and they're together again. :(

 

Snuggly chibi Solas and Lavellan. <3

 

Sulahn'nehn : joy/happiness. (Wolf!Solas and halla!Lavellan)

 

Solas and Lavellan kissing.

 

Daddy!Solas AU by lilium-snow. (Tumblr link version)

 

Modern AU: Modern Nerd!Solas.

 

 

 

Trespasser Art (There be spoilers!)

 

"Falling" progress. Flat colored version of this artwork.

 

Post-Trespasser comic, page 1. Inked version of this one.

 

Lavellan tarot card based on Trespasser. Colored version of this art.


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What if the Anchor is like Mjolnir and only goes easily to the ones who are worthy ? Lavellan getting the Anchor piqued Solas interest a lot more than just "the lucky sod that was in the right place at the right time". Maybe the Anchor would not have bonded with just anyone and that is why Solas looks at you so keenly throughout the game. (Cory would use his magic to try to bypass that ofc)

 

That's an interesting thought. Cory was still holding it while it was powered, the Divine touched it when she knocked it out of his hand, but only Quizzy stumbling and grabbing it got the power.


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PW also says Solas doesn't kill unnecessarily. There was absolutely no need to kill Felassan. Solas got back the Eluvians. Solas MAY murder the 3 mages that tortured his friend and were responsible for his friend's death, out of vengeance but again, even then you can talk him out of it.  He is not above killing but killing is not something he does without reason. 

 

But at the time of Felassan's death, taking Mythal's power was firmly plan B.  He didn't have the orb.  He didn't have the strength to override the eluvians' magic.  My guess (again, just interpretation) is that Solas meant to use the eluvians for a similar purpose as he does at the end of DA:I--rallying elves to his standard.  While that happened, Cory was supposed to unlock his orb, die, and leave Solas free to enact his plans with an elven army at his side.

 

But Felassan failed.  Worse, he'd actively taken action against Solas.  Think of Solas at this point more like hardened Leliana: it was absolutely necessary from his perspective to kill Felassan.  He'd compromised a critical piece of the plan and left the eluvians in the hands of this tiny gremlin girl.  And he probably knew Felassan well enough to know that trying to extract information from him or turn him back was useless.  So he killed this person who was compromising his plans and knew way too much about him.

 

Honestly, I think all the hubbub over Solas killing Felassan is a case of PC-centered morality.  Kind of like what Chiara Fan was talking about with revenge.  Take any Inner Circle member at random (say, Dorian for maximum ouch), and say they did something that thoroughly compromised the Inquisition's plans the way Felassan did to Solas.  And didn't feel sorry about it--even felt they now had the moral high ground.  Friend or no, how players would have executed them in a rage?


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But when you do choose the "Sorry to disappoint" option, he immedaitely says "It's not disappointing, it's- *sighs*".

He's deeply conflicted. As Mims says he's still looking for a reason to mark the Inquisitor as special because it helps him cling onto his idea that nothing and no one's real so he can carry on with his plan, on the other hand I think a bit part of him wants to be proven wrong, because he doesn't want to carry on with his plan.

 

SOLAS YOU SAD PUPPY!

 

Good point. I guess it's not technically disappointing it's just... frustrating? Concerning? The thought that the people in this future don't have to be somehow 'special' to have value can't be an easy one to digest.

 

And I totally agree that I don't think he actually wants to carry out his plan. He seems to feel that it's his duty to do so, regardless of what he actually wants.


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I've always chosen that option too. My Rogue Lavellan's twin is a Mage and she's close to her Keeper so she's pretty acclimatized to the magical world and spirits. Plus she's open-minded, and always tries to play "neutral" as much as she can (which makes her awful for the "this or that" choices in game, since she tends to make decisions that have immediate benefits with little thought to what could happen in the future, but it makes her a great diplomat so she did well at the Winter Ball).

 

But I'm seeing the starting conversation in an entirely new light now, which makes replaying the game worthwhile. x)

 

You rogue Lavellan and my rogue Lavellan are pretty much the same. Both have twins (in my case a twin brother) who are mages and though I don't see her being close to her Keeper, she also has a cousin who is a mage as well. So she's quite accustomed to being around magic but is also curious about it and wants to know more. :P

 

BTW I find it amazing how when we first ended DAI's base game, we start seeing all the things Solas says in a new light. Then after Trespasser and playing through DAI again, you start seeing his whole conversation in a whole lot more different light again! (Am I making sense? I'm a bit tired so maybe I'm not making sense....)

 

EDIT: I should go to bed now....


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Good point. I guess it's not technically disappointing it's just... frustrating? Concerning? The thought that the people in this future don't have to be somehow 'special' to have value can't be an easy one to digest.

 

And I totally agree that I don't think he actually wants to carry out his plan. He seems to feel that it's his duty to do so, regardless of what he actually wants.

 

In a way, those stories that give him more credit than he claims to deserve, it's like he simply feels trapped and obligated to see a fate written for him through, and feels duty bound to follow through now, even as much as he regrets or doubts or changed some of his views....or loves. He's sacrificing himself to the cause.

 

As the image we got of Fen'Harel, he made mistakes but also did things and then the bad PR happened....but he's as much trapped by the good PR.


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If Solas and Mythal were romantically involved (I don't think they were but for the sake of the hypothetical), I don't see how that's diminishing to Lavellan...?


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BTW I find it amazing how when we first ended DAI's base game, we start seeing all the things Solas says in a new light. Then after Trespasser and playing through DAI again, you start seeing his whole conversation in a whole lot more different light again! (Am I making sense? I'm a bit tired so maybe I'm not making sense....)

 

EDIT: I should go to bed now....

 

It's true. And a credit to the writers. :)


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coldwetn0se

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On the topic of having your PC chime in, as Solas turns to flambe the three mages (BTW, I always want to say the Three Stooges :wacko: ). Whether or not someone has the right to prevent another from committing revenge (in whatever form it may take), isn't really the question here. At least not for me. It is that I am playing a PC who has the "choice" to say something to Solas, that may or may not stop him from taking revenge.

In meta-gaming, we KNOW what will happen if you choose not to have your PC say something. But in "role-playing", it is merely an option to try something. Anything. To see if it will make a difference on the outcome. And in this case, it does. However, it certainly didn't have to. The game mechanics allowed for it to be a choice with associated reactions. But they could have easily wrote it that he mournfully apologized (if friendly), and still killed the mages anyway, or simply torched the Stooges without so much as a glance back. In other words, only one outcome, but with a couple of emotional differences.

With that said, I love that we have the option to chime in. Most of my PC's have said something, but some have not. I chose what fit their character, and even headcanon their motivations behind them (which varies from PC to PC). Here is hoping that that option is added to the keep, again, to help cement "our" pc's. Defining Solas, will be PW's job. ;)
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In a way, those stories that give him more credit than he claims to deserve, it's like he simply feels trapped and obligated to see a fate written for him through, and feels duty bound to follow through now, even as much as he regrets or doubts or changed some of his views....or loves. He's sacrificing himself to the cause.

 

This is basically how I feel about the issue. I think, because he's responsible for what happened, he feels like he has to undo it. Not because he wants to, but because he owes it to everyone who died or suffered because of what he did. It's not really a case of him wanting the old world back anymore, it's about him atoning for his mistake and making it 'right'.

 

With that mentality, giving up your mission because you'd found love or friendship would just seem selfish.


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Sable Rhapsody

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Honestly, I think all the hubbub over Solas killing Felassan is a case of PC-centered morality.  Kind of like what Chiara Fan was talking about with revenge.  Take any Inner Circle member at random (say, Dorian for maximum ouch), and say they did something that thoroughly compromised the Inquisition's plans the way Felassan did to Solas.  And didn't feel sorry about it--even felt they now had the moral high ground.  Friend or no, how players would have executed them in a rage?

 

And to be clear (yup, being that jerk who quotes herself :P) I don't think there's anything inherently wrong with PC-centered morality.  It's a thing that happens in nearly all CRPGs.  It's almost expected at this point.  I just think it's important to point it out when we're judging the actions of other characters.


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