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[Solas]

You ever feel like the choices you made for him along the way will affect things later on? Kill the mages leads to a darker path, while stopping him tames the beast within him?

I think it will be more tied to approval (compare highapproval Solas to lowapproval Solas in manner and views espoused in Trespasser) and potentially actions we do in DA4. iirc the Keep only records if you freed Wisdom, forced Solas to destroy Wisdom or never tracked down Wisdom in the first place. Lack of tracking the killed the mages vs didn't kill them choice might make that difficult going forward. I also think Solas' changing views on the modern world are best reflected if not based on a single moment and more seen as the total of a series of things as a whole. 

 

Speaking of choices plural, low approval Inquisitor is due to choices he doesn't like you making, and that will definitely see him act in a different way because that Solas doesn't see us as people.

[midnight tea]

It really is amazing, isn't it - the power of tales of star-crossed lovers?

 

No matter how many times the story of Romeo and Juliet or Tristan and Isolde will be re-told, it seems that they'd always be drawing attention and "ruining" other stories with their power.

 

What is so intoxicating about the story of tragic love that makes so many people gooey inside???

[midnight tea]

I think it will be more tied to approval (compare highapproval Solas to lowapproval Solas in manner and views espoused in Trespasser) and potentially actions we do in DA4. iirc the Keep only records if you freed Wisdom, forced Solas to destroy Wisdom or never tracked down Wisdom in the first place. Lack of tracking the killed the mages vs didn't kill them choice might make that difficult going forward. I also think Solas' changing views on the modern world are best reflected if not based on a single moment and more seen as the total of a series of things as a whole. 

 

Speaking of choices plural, low approval Inquisitor is due to choices he doesn't like you making, and that will definitely see him act in a different way because that Solas doesn't see us as people.

 

True about what's recorded in the Keep, but there's always a possibility that the Keep will be expanded prior to release of DA4 (well, some things definitely still need to be fixed).

[_Lucinia]

It really is amazing, isn't it - the power of tales of star-crossed lovers?

 

No matter how many times the story of Romeo and Juliet or Tristan and Isolde will be re-told, it seems that they'd always be drawing attention and "ruining" other stories with their power.

 

What is so intoxicating about the story of tragic love that makes so many people gooey inside???

I'm not sure.  I would love to know!  Real life Lucinia was never into bad boys or anything like that.  I'm engaged to a good man who makes me laugh, totally drama free.  Not really into romantic movies and things like that, but I do consider myself somewhat of a hopeless romantic.  Which love stories evoke the most feelings for me?  Moulin Rouge, Dracula (1992).  I know there's more, but tired brain isn't co-operating.  Neither of those have a happy ending, but holy moly do they turn me into a mush ball.  That's not to say I don't like happy endings.  I guess I am a masochist?

[roselavellan]

I've always chosen that option too. My Rogue Lavellan's twin is a Mage and she's close to her Keeper so she's pretty acclimatized to the magical world and spirits. Plus she's open-minded, and always tries to play "neutral" as much as she can (which makes her awful for the "this or that" choices in game, since she tends to make decisions that have immediate benefits with little thought to what could happen in the future, but it makes her a great diplomat so she did well at the Winter Ball).

 

But I'm seeing the starting conversation in an entirely new light now, which makes replaying the game worthwhile. x)

 

Sorry, a little late with this reply (and in the meantime this thread has skipped through a couple of pages), but, yes totally agree. Of course, I was replaying it even before, but now it's so much more interesting to go back and rethink his dialogue. I always thought he was complex and nuanced, but even now we find new layers to discover.

 

There are all these facets to his personality that seem to contradict each other: deep compassion for living beings on the one hand and cold ruthlessness on the other; complete honesty in most things and dissimulation for that one important thing... Even his intelligence and wisdom is balanced by a certain amount of recklessness if you think about his failed plans and his fade kiss - the one that started it all.

 

The more I think about him, the more I'm convinced that Solas has to be my all-time favourite fictional character.

[Cee]

Mine had Mythal's vallaslin and her sister took Ghilan'nain's (which was actually something my Lavellan considered before going with Mythal). Her ex has Andruil's. So I'm sure telling them some stories will be fun for her.

[roselavellan]

It appears the great Llama has converted to Solavellan Abyss !

 

 

It just goes to show you how talented Patrick Weekes really is. Its not everyday you find someone who can draw fangirls away from Cully Wully by the power of writing.

 

I think Trespasser is responsible for a lot of new vhenans these days

[_Lucinia]

 

 

There are all these facets to his personality that seem to contradict each other: deep compassion for living beings on the one hand and cold ruthlessness on the other; complete honesty in most things and dissimulation for that one important thing... Even his intelligence and wisdom is balanced by a certain amount of recklessness if you think about his failed plans and his fade kiss - the one that started it all.

 

The more I think about him, the more I'm convinced that Solas has to be my all-time favourite fictional character.

I think it has something to do with big picture vs little picture.  I think it's easier for him to be pragmatic, even a bit cold, when it comes to things that change the entire world.  He still values compassion and helping people.  But he can't think of all of those people when he wants to do something drastic.  Kind of like Mordin and the genophage.  I don't think he would have ever made the sacrifice in ME3 if he hadn't seen first hand what he had a hand in causing.  Hrmmm looks like Mordin Solus and Solas have a bit more in common, in a different sort of way.

[Cee]

I think it has something to do with big picture vs little picture.  I think it's easier for him to be pragmatic, even a bit cold, when it comes to things that change the entire world.  He still values compassion and helping people.  But he can't think of all of those people when he wants to do something drastic.  Kind of like Mordin and the genophage.  I don't think he would have ever made the sacrifice in ME3 if he hadn't seen first hand what he had a hand in causing.  Hrmmm looks like Mordin Solus and Solas have a bit more in common, in a different sort of way.

 

Mordin's loyalty quest is the best one in ME2 because of the depth, the realizations, his changed perspective, his regrets, his whole new view on what he did and consequences. It really made me put trust in Patrick Weekes as someone who would be able to deliver layered characters and story, as well as moving ones. He did some great overall work on Mass Effect, but Mordin stands out a lot for these gray areas and complexity, even when sometimes behind a goofier side.

[Solas]

rereading my long post just there back now I feel I came across overly aggressive or angry/harsh and I would like to state this was not my intention and also apologize for this and to anyone who's feelings I may have hurt with the post. 

[roselavellan]

I think it has something to do with big picture vs little picture.  I think it's easier for him to be pragmatic, even a bit cold, when it comes to things that change the entire world.  He still values compassion and helping people.  But he can't think of all of those people when he wants to do something drastic.  Kind of like Mordin and the genophage.  I don't think he would have ever made the sacrifice in ME3 if he hadn't seen first hand what he had a hand in causing.  Hrmmm looks like Mordin Solus and Solas have a bit more in common, in a different sort of way.

 

Yes, hence the ruthlessness. And this is why I wasn't devastated to learn that he was behind Felassan's death. I don't know Mordin unfortunately, I've never played any Mass Effect.

[_Lucinia]

Mordin's loyalty quest is the best one in ME2 because of the depth, the realizations, his changed perspective, his regrets, his whole new perspective on what he did. It really made me put trust in Patrick Weekes as someone who would be able to deliver layered characters and story, as well as moving ones. He did some great overall work on Mass Effect, but Mordin stands out a lot for these gray areas and complexity, even when sometimes behind a goofier side.

There will always be a special place in my heart for that singing scientist Salarian.  Bioware makes so many great characters that it's always hard to pick one favorite over them all.  But Mordin comes pretty darn close to being *it* in Mass Effect, for me.

[midnight tea]

There are all these facets to his personality that seem to contradict each other: deep compassion for living beings on the one hand and cold ruthlessness on the other; complete honesty in most things and dissimulation for that one important thing... Even his intelligence and wisdom is balanced by a certain amount of recklessness if you think about his failed plans and his fade kiss - the one that started it all.

 

The more I think about him, the more I'm convinced that Solas has to be my all-time favourite fictional character.

 

This is exactly why I never thought of explaining his 'dual nature' (symbolized by the shrine in Ghilan'nan's Grove and its yin-yang'ish black and white wolves) by anything other than his complex character.

 

There's no need for theories about him being three gods at once, or some sort of dual persona, or half-spirit (well admittedly all elves seem to be close to ones, with the rest of races being not terribly far away) or anything else to explain why there are certain symbols associated with him, sometimes of seemingly opposite natures - he's simply that nuanced.

 

 

I think Trespasser is responsible for a lot of new vhenans these days

 

Yeah, no kidding xD

 

I would be utterly surprised if Bioware didn't try and milk this arc (in a good way) or just waved it away in future game - even if people didn't specifically play fem!Lavellans and romanced Solas or perhaps didn't play the game at all, practically everybody interested in DA franchise and its future must have heard of the possible tragic romance with one of the most important characters of DA series (no matter what they think about it).

 

Admittedly I am STILL trying to wrap my head around them actually going with this, given the possible complications on the way - yet they did (and still have some plans for it) and they've likely managed to create one of the brightest highlights of the entire series.

[Cee]

Yes, hence the ruthlessness. And this is why I'm not devastated to learn about Felassan's death. I don't know Mordin unfortunately, I've never played any Mass Effect.

 

There are reasons, Patrick Weekes-shaped reasons, why many people want to cry when you talk about Mordin. Especially if you mention seashells.

[Nhadalie]

I haven't stopped in here in awhile, but I played Trespasser last week.. And well. I have all sorts of head canons going on now that I may or may not write about if I manage to find the time outside of school. I also think my fiance is getting tired of listening to me ramble about Solas.

 

I'm sure some people are okay with leaving it as a tragic romance. But I'm really desperately hoping for a happy ending. After all the crap they've been through, they both deserve one.

 

But I have a sneaking suspicion that won't happen, because..

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They've been hinting at the removal of the veil since DA2. That Solas would suceed, and everything would "sing the same" again. And while I don't think it'll destroy the world like Solas seems to believe.(He seems to think that since it happened the first time, it would happen when he removed the veil. But no one is living in a place like Vir Dirthara anymore, where the veil and physical world are the same. So I don't think it'll have the same effect.) On the other hand, I have a sneaking suspicion that removing the veil will destroy Solas. Maybe not literally kill him, though I wouldn't write that theory out either. What I mean is that I suspect that removing the veil will take everything Solas has. That his longing for the world of his time will consume him, much in the same way that Branka's desire for the anvil did. When he suceeds, I wonder how much of him will be left. I sincerely hope that Lavellan keeps him grounded enough that he doesn't lose himself, or that she can manage to stop him before he does.

 

 

As far as head canons go..

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Post Trespasser, officially my Lavellan is "settling down" in Kirkwall with the title and key to the harbor that Varric gave her. Probably also a nice, but small ish home, with some very well cared for helpers to manage her holdings while she is gone. Unofficially, she's running about the free marches with Sera and Dagna, and the rest of the Red Jennies. But during that time, since I played a mage Lavellan, she also has a responsibility to her clan to tell them the truth about everything because she was the first of the clan before becoming the Inquisitor. This is because I managed to get clan Lavellan set up in Wycome peacefully governing the city-state with the city elves and humans there. She would also need to face her family, if she has any left, for the first time since she left. There's been a ton of changes in her life, from falling in love with Solas to losing her arm. And I think she could use a friend while doing it. I like to think that Lavellan took Sera and Dagna with her to Wycome, and that she told the true story of Fen'Harel to her clan. Then the clan would spread the tale to other clans, and eventually Solas would hear about it. I like to think that by doing this, Lavellan could show Solas that the Dalish are worth more than he believes. That they are better people than is commonly believed.

 

I also like the idea that one of the dreams Solas sees Lavellan having is her dreaming about how she could've settled down instead of being Inquisitor. But the children that she dreams of look strangely similar to him. She ends the dream by thinking to herself that the strangely generic husband she was dreaming of isn't right, because he doesn't look like her children. She reaches her arm out, and her dream "husband" changes into Solas before disappearing, along with her left arm and the children. Then she turns, and sees wolf-Solas watching her from across the field.

[Solas]

Thanks. Still felt it was important for me to express it tho. I value everyone who posts in this thread even if we have different opinions and the way I phrased myself, on reflection made me sound angry/annoyed when I wasn't, also I decided parts of the post were rude and therefore a apology warranted. 

[Cee]

There will always be a special place in my heart for that singing scientist Salarian.  Bioware makes so many great characters that it's always hard to pick one favorite over them all.  But Mordin comes pretty darn close to being *it* in Mass Effect, for me.

 

Liara is still top for me, but Mordin is up there. So many layers there. It's funny, since most people tend to go directly for Archangel because it's Garrus, but I went to get Mordin first in ME2. No particular reason except I was curious and he sounded interesting. 

[Catfishers]

Thanks. Still felt it was important for me to express it tho. I value everyone who posts in this thread even if we have different opinions

 

I think this is what keeps me coming back to this thread, even just to lurk. Everyone manages to debate while still remaining friendly and cordial. There are very few actual arguments, which is rare for the internet.

[Roxy]

It appears the great Llama has converted to Solavellan Abyss !

 

 

FluffyNinjaLlama's comment -

 

 

 

It just goes to show you how talented Patrick Weekes really is. Its not everyday you find someone who can draw fangirls away from Cully Wully by the power of writing.

 

I read this and automatically thought of this song

 

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