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[Solas]

I just realize I feel for Felassan the way some people in this thread feel for Abelas

 

I finally understand    

[Cee]

I know how you feel. You are looking at a woman who Cole would adore to pieces because of my ridiculous amount of compassion for everything/one.

 

As an empath, Cole, was someone I related to. (I think I'm kind of a weird mix of Josie and Cole if I had to define myself by DAI characters. Does this make me some sort of IRL cinnamon roll? ) The Cole decision to me was an easy one. I know some people found it difficult. It was bittersweet to have Spirit Cole but it made him happy and me happy. But I found an unexpected person to relate to, living with intuition and a certain sense and sensitivity.

[Cee]

I just realize I feel for Felassan the way some people in this thread feel for Abelas

 

I finally understand    

 

 

I felt like you about Felassan, but once it clicked into place, it clicked into place and as I've mentioned, it provides a damn good example of how Solas can be but also something to juxtapose with the potential for hope Solas has now that he too has become compromised by being proven wrong again.

 

It's a tragic end for Felassan (and yes he could be tranquil but I'm not going to play conspiracy theorist, I'll think dead until confirmed as not dead), but it leaves me with another crack of hope given the path we've traveled.
 

[roselavellan]

There are reasons, Patrick Weekes-shaped reasons, why many people want to cry when you talk about Mordin. Especially if you mention seashells.

 

So now I've heard of Mordin and Thane in ME... Bioware/Weekes seem to have a talent for creating emotional responses  I also play the Elder Scrolls series and I've never felt anything close to this in their games. I really love their games of course, but Dragon Age has been a completely different experience altogether.

[The Oracle]

Hmmm that's interesting. What character would you be closest to in real life. I'm probably a strange mixture of Dorian and Solas. I'm like Dorian in the sense of being very extrovert and a bit cocky in public but being very shy and self contained with personal things. I have a lot of good, casual friendships but only one real best friend, who's closer than a sister. I also live on sarcasm. The Solas parts of me would be his statement to Cassandra about what he believes in;
 
"Cause and effect. Wisdom as its own reward, and the inherent right of all free willed people to exist."

 

When I heard him say that in his dialogue with Cassandra I just thought "Yes. Indeed. You speak my mind hobo elf."

 

Perhaps that's why I also tend to judge Solas harshly. He's written well enough that I can see parts of myself in him, both the good and the parts of me that I'm least proud of. It's probably also the reason why I have the most hope for him as well. For all his faults, there is so much good in him that could help redeem him.

[Renmiri1]

I feel like you're not listening to me and that I keep repeating myself. Have you read TME, just so I know for my clarity?

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I like a lot of your opinions and posts on Solas! but I really think your head is in the sand on this one specific issue. Solas is a man who literally has killed hundreds (if not more) and is ready in his mind to kill or cause the death of hundreds more - even friends like high approval Inquisitor and Cass - if that's what his plans entail/require/result in. I don't understand why this is A-OK but why killing Felassan specifically is such an unthinkable scenario. I don't want it to be have been him, it pains me greatly that the man my Inquisitor came to love and a character I like so much killed his friend, a friend who is my favorite extended universe character now that Cole was in a game. But it fits the hints given and the narrative. If it wasn't him I will be super happy, welcome it, and eat my hat. 

 

Nobody seems to argue that Leliana was OOC and being piloted by a pod-person in wanting to kill that agent of hers back at Haven??? I suspect that's because in DA:I we can't bang her and she wasn't our beloved ~vhenan~.

 

I have TME and have read it and it is one of the reasons I don't think Solas was the one described in TME. Felassan didn't love that person that came to kill him, but Felassan obviously was in awe of Solas. That person (humanoid, could be elvehn or human or even a fade demon or spirit) that came to him inspired FEAR and obedience in Felassan, not love.

 

So no, it is precisely for having read TME that I have a very hard time believing Felassan's killer was Solas.

 

Cole's words makes it look like some regrettable accident not a vengeful bite. The slow arrow snapped in the sad wolf's jaw is a lot different than the wolf chewed the slow arrow into pieces, or the wolf broke the traitorous slow arrow. There was no vengeance on there, the wolf was sad not furious. Solas blames himself for everything, I'm pretty sure he blames himself for Felassn's death but it wasn't something the "sad wolf" desired. He is sad, not satisfied he plugged a leak in his operation.

 

Also Solas lets Briala live and even admires her at Halamshiral. If he killed Felassan for daring to take her side, wouldn't he kill her as well or at least hate her ? Couldn't she obstruct his plans ? Why the hell was she alive ?

 

Solas had powerful agents that guided Cory to the orb. One of those agents was likely Felassan's handler. This is not complicated and doesn't violate Occam's razor. Solas said so himself, he was acting through agents.

 

So yeah, I respect your views a lot but I think you are going for a wrong answer here. The person Felassan was preparing to meet in the Fade was definitely not the same as the person for who Felassan was named and of who Felassan told  so many tales to Briala. I read the book, did you ?  Can you seriously tell me that Felassan acted like someone who was going to meet the Dread Wolf who he was obviously in awe, on that last scene ? The person he was meeting was not someone Felassan was in awe. I didn't even read respect there. Felassan met with someone he feared and served, not with the god he has been in awe his entire life.

[Renmiri1]

I feel like you're not listening to me and that I keep repeating myself. Have you read TME, just so I know for my clarity?

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I like a lot of your opinions and posts on Solas! but I really think your head is in the sand on this one specific issue. Solas is a man who literally has killed hundreds (if not more) and is ready in his mind to kill or cause the death of hundreds more - even friends like high approval Inquisitor and Cass - if that's what his plans entail/require/result in. I don't understand why this is A-OK but why killing Felassan specifically is such an unthinkable scenario. I don't want it to be have been him, it pains me greatly that the man my Inquisitor came to love and a character I like so much killed his friend, a friend who is my favorite extended universe character now that Cole was in a game. But it fits the hints given and the narrative. If it wasn't him I will be super happy, welcome it, and eat my hat. 

 

Nobody seems to argue that Leliana was OOC and being piloted by a pod-person in wanting to kill that agent of hers back at Haven??? I suspect that's because in DA:I we can't bang her and she wasn't our beloved ~vhenan~.

 

I have TME and have rad it and it is one of the reasons I don't think Solas was the one described in TME. Felassan didn't love that person that came to kill him, but Felassan obviously was in awe of Solas. That person (humanoid, could be elvehn or human or even a fade demon or spirit) that came to him inspired FEAR and obedience in Felassan, not love.

 

So no, it is precisely for having read TME that I have a very hard time believing Felassan's killer was Solas.

 

Cole's words makes it look like some regrettable accident not a vengeful bite. The slow arrow snapped in the sad wolf's jaw is a lot different than the wolf chewed the slow arrow into pieces, or the wolf broke the traitorous slow arrow. There was no vengeance on there, the wolf was sad not furious. Solas blames himself for everything, I'm pretty sure he blames himself for Felassn's death but it wasn't something the "sad wolf" desired. He is sad, not satisfied he plugged a leak in his operation.

 

Also Solas lets Briala live and even admires her at Halamshiral. If he killed Felassan for daring to take her side, wouldn't he kill her as well or at least hate her ? Couldn't she obstruct his plans ? Why the hell was she alive ?

 

Solas had powerful agents that guided Cory to the orb. One of those agents was likely Felassan's handler. This is not complicated and doesn't violate Occam's razor. Solas said so himself, he was acting through agents.

 

So yeah, I respect your views a lot but I think you are going for a wrong answer here. The person Felassan was preparing to meet in the Fade was definitely not the same as the person for who Felassan was named and of who Felassan told  so many tales to Briala. I read the book, did you ?  Can you seriously tell me that Felassan acted like someone who was going to meet the Dread Wolf who he was obviously in awe, on that last scene ? The person he was meeting was not someone Felassan was in awe. I didn't even read respect there. Felassan met with someone he feared and served, not with the god he has been in awe his entire life.

[Nhadalie]

I see myself as a mix of Cole, Solas, and Sera.

 

I have Cole's compassion, Solas's love of knowledge and understanding, and Sera's puns/irreverence. Strangest combination ever. I prefer to look at myself as Merill, if she was a bit more aware of dirty jokes.

 

I like both Cole's spirit and human paths. But I think I prefer his human path. He already made himself a physical body, and he has the ability to learn to be human. He's already been affected by the physical world, and in some ways, that's a good thing. He's made friends like Rhys, Varric, Solas, and the Inquisitor. I don't see it as changing who he is, because he is still a very compassionate person in human form. I see it as showing him that people care about him, and want him to stick around. Not that he can't do that in spirit form. But in spirit form, he seems less attached to specific people. It breaks my heart to think of him leaving everyone he cares about behind, even if it is for a good reason.

 

I made Cole a full spirit once, because Solas approved of it. Then I made him human in my next playthrough, because my Lavellan views Cole almost like her child.(Maybe because I do. ) And while Solas originally disagreed with making Cole human, I think he was very surprised to see that Cole actually became human. I think in that case, both of them accept Cole for who he is. But like parents they have different ideas of what would be best for him.

 

Also, it brings up interesting points in the latest DLC.

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Since humans didn't exist back when the Fade and the physical world were one. Where did humans, Qunari, and other races come from? Could they have been spirits who made themselves real like Cole did?

[Renmiri1]

It appears the great Llama has converted to Solavellan Abyss !

 

 

FluffyNinjaLlama's comment -

 

 

 

It just goes to show you how talented Patrick Weekes really is. Its not everyday you find someone who can draw fangirls away from Cully Wully by the power of writing.

 

Most of us did, some sooner than others

[Hedinve]

I see your point, Renmiri - "snapped in the wolfs jaw" does not necessarily mean "by Solas' hand". It could mean "in his service" or "caught up in".  I do believe him capable killing Felassan if he deemed it to be the right thing to do, but I'm still not 100% sure he did.  

[Tess]

Just had Sera, Solas and Cole in one party.... somehow, post Trespasser, the Sera Solas banter got a completely new shade of grey.

Also, one from Hinterlands from my husbands PT:

Cole: Do you know a lot about wolves?

Solas: I know that they are intelligent, practical creatures that small-minded fools think of as terrible beasts.

 

Here are the banters I've got between Sera and Solas today, in rather short succession to my surprise as well. Was cleaning up darkspawn in Storm Coast when they started.

Them advises he gives her..... years of practice, I presume. May the rain take you, wicked, wicked wolf!

Spoilered for length.

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Solas: I heard about your organization, Sera. I am impressed.

Sera: Is this a trick?

Solas: Hardly. But it is an opportunity. You have already divided your group's membership. That is wise. No one cell can betray all your secrets. The next step is to establish a rhythm. When your enemies pursue, you vanish. When they become complacent, you harass them. When they are weak, you strike in earnest.

Sera: Where d'you get all this, then?

Solas: Do you wish to be unnerved by another tale of my explorations of the Fade? Or do you wish to learn something?

Sera: I don't know. Neither?

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Solas: Once you have the aristocracy weakened, Sera, you will have to redirect your lieutenants.

Sera: Oh, this again. All right, what am I doing?

Solas: Some of your forces, valuable until now, have no interests beyond creating disruption. Chaos for its own sake. They must be repositioned where they can do no harm, or removed if necessary. You replace them with organizers willing to build a new system and carry out the ugly work that must be done.

Sera: What? Why? What ugly work?

Solas: That is up to you. Do you wish to disrupt the nobility, secure a title? Or change the political structure entirely?

Sera: None of it! I don't want any of that!

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Solas: I do not understand you, Sera. You do not have an end goal for your organization.

Sera: Nobles get rattled, and people get payback. I play in the middle.

Solas: Why not go all the way? You see injustice. And you have organized a group to fight it. Don't you want to replace it with something better?

Sera: What, just lop off the top? What does that do, except make a new top to frig it all up?

Solas: I...forgive me. You are right. You are fine as you are.

Sera: You hurt my head sometimes, Solas.

Solas: Yes, I have been known to do that.

 

Adding a homicidal boyfriend (what an ingenious phrase! Love it!), to keep up the appearance. 

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[Cee]

 Perhaps that's why I also tend to judge Solas harshly. He's written well enough that I can see parts of myself in him, both the good and the parts of me that I'm least proud of. It's probably also the reason why I have the most hope for him as well. For all his faults, there is so much good in him that could help redeem him.

 

I think there's a similar reasoning for me as to why Cole gives me as much hope as he does.
 

[Renmiri1]

I see your point, Renmiri - "snapped in the wolfs jaw" does not necessarily mean "by Solas' hand". It could mean "in his service" or "caught up in".  I do believe him capable killing Felassan if he deemed it to be the right thing to do, but I'm still not 100% sure he did.  

 

Yup. And all Solas himself says is that his agent failed. 

 

I think  Knight Enchanter / Solas is not seeing WHERE my disagreement is. I do believe Solas is capable of killing, that was not the issue.  But being a fan of Felassan, I found that the book described Felassan meeting someone he DID NOT LIKE, which to me was obviously not Fen'Harel to whom he was in awe. He went to the meeting with dread knowing his death would be inevitable, the "person" he was meeting would never rest until it killed him. That is definitely NOT SOLAS.

 

You can make Solas change his mind on killing the mages with a few words. He isn't someone who will never stop chasing someone for disobeying his orders. At most, Solas would chase Felassan while he still believed Felassan was a danger to his plans. Which would be just a few years.

 

Solas is not someone who takes a decision to kill someone and then never ever stops. And if he is, we have no hope of changing his mind, do we ?

 

@Solas - Sometimes I wonder if we read the same book. Did you not see Felassan thinking running away was futile, that his killer would never rest until he was dead ? Is that Solas in any way shape or form to you ?

[Kadan]

Can you seriously tell me that Felassan acted like someone who was going to meet the Dread Wolf who he was obviously in awe, on that last scene ? The person he was meeting was not someone Felassan was in awe. I didn't even read respect there. Felassan met with someone he feared and served, not with the god he has been in awe his entire life.

 

Actually I think his last comment is a pretty good give away.  To quote the book....."He smiled. "You know, I suspect you'll hate this but she reminds me of....""

 

Just because you are in awe of someone doesn't mean you are blind to what they are capable of. His stories are meant to explain the person behind the Dread Wolf persona as much as they are meant to inspire rebellion in a young elf. One he sees as capable of doing much for her people. The Dread Wolf is ruthless in his planning, and is capable of cold calculated actions. We learn at the end of Trespasser from Solas' own lips that his agent failed to get the password and he had to override the magic personally. Does he admit to killing him no, but the same Dread Wolf that is willing to destroy the world to reclaim the Elvhen empire is capable of killing a friend that betrays him.

 

Hmmm I need more Solas pictures.....

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[Garnet]

waaaahhh~

*hides forever in blanketfort*

[Mims]

I guess I find myself confused as far as how people can rationalize 'Solas didn't kill Felassan', with the fact that he states outright that his plans may kill everyone currently living. One is a lot worse than the other, but people seem to accept the second one? 

 

The line as its read doesn't allow for a lot of ambiguity. Even if another person killed Felassan, it was almost certainly under Solas's orders. As far as why he'd compliment Briala- why not? His friend died for her, and he can respect that. Felassan was still his friend. People can kill those they like, or even love.

 

But does he think that she actually stands even a slightest chance of interfering with his plans? Probably not. She's still just a 'non-person' elf. Solas barely seems to think the Inquisitor will be able to stop them. He isn't going to feel all that intimidated by Briala, a non-mage elf who at best has a small order of city elf spies.

 

And more to the point- there would be no purpose in having Cole say anything if Solas did not kill Felassan. 

[Hedinve]

And hi btw

 

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I was hanging out in this thread a lot a few months back, until I went all emo and was being an idiot in a couple of posts - I blame it on being totally stressed out from my thesis (which I have completed and it went really well). Sadly I haven't played any DLC yet, but I did spoiler my self via youtube. After playing and writing about DAI for 6 months I'm a bit off videogames in general, but I have started lurking a bit here again, so I hope I'll muster up some gaming energy again soonish.

 

[Cee]

Yup. And all Solas himself says is that his agent failed. 

 

I think  Knight Enchanter / Solas is not seeing WHERE my disagreement is. I do believe Solas is capable of killing, that was not the issue.  But being a fan of Felassan, I found that the book described Felassan meeting someone he DID NOT LIKE, which to me was obviously not Fen'Harel to whom he was in awe. He went to the meeting with dread knowing his death would be inevitable, the "person" he was meeting would never rest until it killed him. That is definitely NOT SOLAS.

 

You can make Solas change his mind on killing the mages with a few words. He isn't someone who will never stop chasing someone for disobeying his orders. At most, Solas would chase Felassan while he still believed Felassan was a danger to his plans. Which would be just a few years.

 

Solas is not someone who takes a decision to kill someone and then never ever stops. And if he is, we have no hope of changing his mind, do we ?

 

@Solas - Sometimes I wonder if we read the same book. Did you not see Felassan thinking running away was futile, that his killer would never rest until he was dead ? Is that Solas in any way shape or form to you ?

 

I believed the same, and I've posted about it before, but Solas killing Felassan now makes perfect sense to me. It's a very clear picture of just what he was like before. He killed Felassan for becoming effectively compromised, a weakness he couldn't abide if his plan were to happen. Felassan caring about Briala and the people, deliberately lying and he knew he was lying, not merely failing his mission. He tells him "They're stronger than you think, you know" and talks about giving them a chance. Giving the not-people of modern Thedas a chance? That's it, he's compromised and has to be eliminated.

 

But then in the course of DAI, Solas himself, if an Inquisitor he respects or loves, well he's proven wrong and he becomes attached and emotionally compromised himself. Unexpectedly. And in the case of love, hard. It's like karmic irony, really.

 

So now he's basically trapped by his own plans and resigned to them. Killing Felassan fits perfectly.

[Hedinve]

But it's such a PW thing to do - heavily imply that Solas did it, then reveal something else happened and we go "aaaaahaaa". I wont be surprised if he did it, but as usual with anything PW writes, I don't trust diddly until it's stated like Solas declares himself the Dread Wolf and that he made the veil.