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Yup. And all Solas himself says is that his agent failed. 

 

I think  Knight Enchanter / Solas is not seeing WHERE my disagreement is. I do believe Solas is capable of killing, that was not the issue.  But being a fan of Felassan, I found that the book described Felassan meeting someone he DID NOT LIKE, which to me was obviously not Fen'Harel to whom he was in awe. He went to the meeting with dread knowing his death would be inevitable, the "person" he was meeting would never rest until it killed him. That is definitely NOT SOLAS.

 

You can make Solas change his mind on killing the mages with a few words. He isn't someone who will never stop chasing someone for disobeying his orders. At most, Solas would chase Felassan while he still believed Felassan was a danger to his plans. Which would be just a few years.

 

Solas is not someone who takes a decision to kill someone and then never ever stops. And if he is, we have no hope of changing his mind, do we ?

 

@Solas - Sometimes I wonder if we read the same book. Did you not see Felassan thinking running away was futile, that his killer would never rest until he was dead ? Is that Solas in any way shape or form to you ?

 

Um... considering that Solas himself hints many times that he turns into someone he hates (and he's absolutely terrified his vhenan might see what he becomes), I think Felassan's feelings about Solas/Dread Wolf slipping onto a very dark path can be very easily explained. 

 

Solas was slowly forgetting being Solas and was turning into Dread Wolf (greatly illustrated by his "Tower" tarot card) - heck, he still does now, but the loved/approved Quizzy has a possibility to turn him from Din'anshiral.

 

But before that happened, think how Felassan must have felt when he saw his friend and hero slowly getting poisoned by grief, guilt and mistrust and turning into someone he doesn't recognize anymore. No wonder he dislikes whom he meets. Therefore I think he might have thought that his defiance may cost him his life, but if it means returning his friend to his senses (by forcing him to take things into his own hands and confronting the people he plans to destroy), his death will be worth it - on more levels than one.

 

Dunno how it's for others, but I think that's powerful. He sacrifices himself not just for this world, not just for Briala, but for the sake of his dear friend.

 

This is also probably what Felassan means by his last words: Briala reminded him of Solas how he once was. Solas - not the Dread Wolf.


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I have TME and have rad it and it is one of the reasons I don't think Solas was the one described in TME. Felassan didn't love that person that came to kill him, but Felassan obviously was in awe of Solas. That person (humanoid, could be elvehn or human or even a fade demon or spirit) that came to him inspired FEAR and obedience in Felassan, not love.

 

So no, it is precisely for having read TME that I have a very hard time believing Felassan's killer was Solas.

 

Cole's words makes it look like some regrettable accident not a vengeful bite. The slow arrow snapped in the sad wolf's jaw is a lot different than the wolf chewed the slow arrow into pieces, or the wolf broke the traitorous slow arrow. There was no vengeance on there, the wolf was sad not furious. Solas blames himself for everything, I'm pretty sure he blames himself for Felassn's death but it wasn't something the "sad wolf" desired. He is sad, not satisfied he plugged a leak in his operation.

 

Also Solas lets Briala live and even admires her at Halamshiral. If he killed Felassan for daring to take her side, wouldn't he kill her as well or at least hate her ? Couldn't she obstruct his plans ? Why the hell was she alive ?

 

Solas had powerful agents that guided Cory to the orb. One of those agents was likely Felassan's handler. This is not complicated and doesn't violate Occam's razor. Solas said so himself, he was acting through agents.

 

So yeah, I respect your views a lot but I think you are going for a wrong answer here. The person Felassan was preparing to meet in the Fade was definitely not the same as the person for who Felassan was named and of who Felassan told  so many tales to Briala. I read the book, did you ?  Can you seriously tell me that Felassan acted like someone who was going to meet the Dread Wolf who he was obviously in awe, on that last scene ? The person he was meeting was not someone Felassan was in awe. I didn't even read respect there. Felassan met with someone he feared and served, not with the god he has been in awe his entire life.

Felassan was in awe of the Dread Wolf. The Dread Wolf inspires both hope and fear. 

 

Felassan felt fear when approached by the entity because he knew that it [Solas] was going to kill him. He knew that from the moment he sat down before the campfire. He was afraid because his death was approaching and he knew it in his bones.

 

It's precisely by having been Solas' friend that he knew what he was capable of. 

 

Mims had a good post on the possessive etc in Cole's line. The arrow breaks specifically in the jaws of the wolf. The wolf did not look on sadly while the arrow broke in the distance. The wolf did not howl in sorrow as the arrow misfired and collided with a tree. The wolf did not watch sadly while a bear crushed the arrow in his paw. Cole's words make it look like a wolf had to break an arrow, and felt extremely sad about doing so.

 

The wolf is sad in Cole's line because Solas did not take joy in killing his friend, and because by the time he's had all the character development in DA:I (in seeing us as people) he feels even sadder about what he did to Felassan. You can feel angry about doing something in the heat of the moment and then come to feel great sadness and regret over it later. Cole's line is a reflection of Solas' mind in the present.

 

I have never argued that Solas desired Felassan's death for no reason or that he only felt satisfaction about it. I have always stated that he feels sad about doing so.

 

TME took place before the Cory-breach. Once the Cory-breach happened, Solas had to put his plans on hold and help close the Breach before going back to them. Briala is alive at Halamshiral because until the Breach is sealed, Solas was not moving forward with his plan. He does not hate Briala because that would be out of character; he doesn't hate the people he has to kill for his plans. He respects Briala just as he respects other cunning adversaries. Also, by the time the Inquisitor goes to Halamshiral, Solas is well into his journey of beginning to see people - like Briala - as people.

 

Why would a being so terrifying be in servitude to another? Solas is the top of the totem pole in his operation.

 

Solas phrases his lines re: Felassan's death to the Inquisitor the way he does because the Inquisitor is not us and has not read The Masked Empire. She does not have that meta knowledge. It is irrelevant to the Inquisitor that he killed Felassan. This is why he only states that an agent failed and he had to override the magic personally. What does it matter to the Inquisitor that he also killed the agent? We also know Solas frequently lies by omission and only passes on the information he deems relevant.

 

The Fen'Harel Felassan tells tales to Briala of, while based on the real Dread Wolf, is also the Fen'Harel of legend. Felassan's stories to Briala play out like fables because they're one part real, one part mythologized versions of the truth. The tale of the slow arrow being fired into the sky I suspect is a metaphor for how Solas' efforts against the Evanuris played out. I don't think Andruil LITERALLY tied Solas to a tree. Also note that they are colored (biased) by Felassan's feelings towards/opinion on the Dread Wolf, and also influenced by the fact that each story is told to Briala for a purpose (advice, lessons).

 

Solas' agents are never described as 'powerful'. We know nothing of how much or little power they have.

 

I have read TME. Felassan met a godlike being who he knew would be out to kill him, and someone whose capabilities in pursuit of their plans he was keenly aware of. In the final passage Felassan went to meet his death.

 

You can fear and be in awe of someone at the same time.


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All true, but I'm still only 87% convinced. Because PW. It's not that I oppose the idea of him killing Felassan, I'm just leaving a little room for doubt in case there is another interesting explanation. 



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...And honestly, I'm still confused why people think having a strong spirit (especially considering that likely everyone has one/is one), even one with specific quality, in any way "cheapens" the personal accomplishment and growth of good Quizzies - having one, just like having an Anchor, doesn't mean that they're "speshul" by default, in fact they're likely more prone to corruption than your average Joe.

 

 

As I said before, it would only cheapen the character and accomplishments (for me) if it was due to some divine compulsion by a spirit of hope (or something like that) caused by the anchor, which I personally don't believe. 

 

Therefore IF Quizzies indeed have a particularly strong spirit or naturally stronger connection to the Fade and it leaves them more vulnerable to fall, wouldn't their personal growth be even more impressive?

 

 

I agree with that 100%
As long as it is natural by birth which I never said anything against. 

 

If Solas and Mythal were romantically involved (I don't think they were but for the sake of the hypothetical), I don't see how that's diminishing to Lavellan...?

 
Solas said, if I remember correctly, that he created the veil and sealed the gods away because they killed Mythal. At least that was the straw that broke the camels back. 
Isn't part of why he wants to tear the veil down now also so Mythal can have her revenge, next to all the guilt and bringing back the world of his people. 
If they had a romantic relationship in the past, I just think he still loves her with all he does for her and Lavellan was just an unwelcome distraction.
The things he does always involve Mythal one way or the other.
 
What did the little mortal get? 
She had to pay with her heart, Vallaslin and now a limb. :mellow:
 
If he goes that far for possible romanced Mythal but not romanced Lavellan then it really diminishes the Solasmance. At least for me.
That is the reason why a former romance between those two would bother me, because it implies a present romantic attachment as well :sick:
 
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I guess I find myself confused as far as how people can rationalize 'Solas didn't kill Felassan', with the fact that he states outright that his plans may kill everyone currently living. One is a lot worse than the other, but people seem to accept the second one? 

 

The line as its read doesn't allow for a lot of ambiguity. Even if another person killed Felassan, it was almost certainly under Solas's orders. As far as why he'd compliment Briala- why not? His friend died for her, and he can respect that. Felassan was still his friend. People can kill those they like, or even love.

 

But does he think that she actually stands even a slightest chance of interfering with his plans? Probably not. She's still just a 'non-person' elf. Solas barely seems to think the Inquisitor will be able to stop them. He isn't going to feel all that intimidated by Briala, a non-mage elf who at best has a small order of city elf spies.

 

And more to the point- there would be no purpose in having Cole say anything if Solas did not kill Felassan. 

I've been wanting to re-read Asunder and The Masked Empire since finishing DAI because it'll be a bit different reading them now that I know how things go.  Especially The Masked Empire.  But now I am feeling like I need to pick it up right now because I am remembering it the same way you and Solas are, so I am totally at a loss for some of the reactions I've been seeing.  Listen before I even played the game and knew the reveal of Solas, my reaction when Felassan was killed was "holy crap I think Fen'Harel just killed him.  What does this mean?!"  And then I completely forgot about that nugget when I played the game.  I went through the same cycle as everyone else, not wanting to believe that Solas did it.  But there is no doubt in my mind after Trespasser.  Even without that line from Cole.

 

I don't know if the problem for some is that murder is seen as such a hateful thing.  The world isn't black and white, murder isn't just "black".  Solas before the Inquisition is firmly wearing the mantle of Fen'Harel.  Felassan straight up betrayed him when he REFUSED to get the password for the eluvians.  The Solas that killed him is not the same Solas that falls in love with Lavellan.  This is an ancient being who is so powerful he is seen as a god.  He created the freaking Veil.  This isn't a regular joe that stabbed his friend in the back for a trivial reason.  This is a "god" that has awoken to a world gone awry, destroyed, ruined, his people are gone.  EVERYONE is mundane, even mages are barely people.  He is desperate to fix it.  He will broker no failure.  But enough about that.

 

I see posts from others while I am typing this and they're all saying it way better than I am. 


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All true, but I'm still only 87% convinced. Because PW. It's not that I oppose the idea of him killing Felassan, I'm just leaving a little room for doubt in case there is another interesting explanation. 

 

I don't see how there can be doubts. Cole's line about him needing to die because he was seeing people as real is a dead giveaway. When Lavellan is dumped, Cole says them same thing. Solas is seeing her as real and he can't, just like what happened with Felassan. He can't kill himself or her though, so he runs away.



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It's not the act of killing - Solas kills, everybody in 20 km vicinity of Skyhold has killed a whole bunch of people. Actually, him killing Felassan IS a powerful character development device, but it could be more... Which is a thought I like to entertain as of now. I don't need to be convinced, I'm not attached to my doubt.



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TME is the only novel I've yet to read. Don't know why I haven't yet. Perhaps because it was based around Orlais and I have very little interest in Orlais and "the game" (mainly because "the game" is a great concept which I feel was poorly shown and executed).

 

I'll get round to it eventually though, if only to read about this Felassan fellow. I know most of the plot and characters already from the forums but he sounds fairly intriguing.


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I just thought of a possible alternative to Solas' plan. (Actually, it might not work, but it's food for thought.)

 

Once, the spirit world and physical world were one. Then, Solas created the Veil to separate the physical world from the spiritual world. Elves trapped in the physical world were cut off from the spirit world and the magic within, so they aged and died, and their magic-depended wonders crumbled and fell along with them. 

 

Solas feels that the only possible way to restore the elves is to pull down the Veil, consume the physical world in the Fade, then use the magic of the Fade to reshape the physical world. ("Not unless I collapse the Veil to casually reshape reality, no" he said sarcastically.) My Lavellan asked, "Why does this world have to die for the elves to come back?" or something like that.

 

Solas makes it sound like there are only two choices; leave the physical world as it is, or merge the Fade and the physical world into one. He makes it sound like this world has to burn to make room for Elvhenan, because there's no other place to set it up.

 

Or is there? Solas mentions being able to use the power of the Fade to "reshape reality" a few times over the games, and Morrigan mentions when she shows the Inquisitor the Eluvian, that elvuans go all kinds of different places, including different dimensions, like the Crossroads. What if, instead of completely tearing down the Veil to flood the whole world in the Fade, and destroying the world to reshape Elvhenan, Solas simply made a large whole in the Veil, went into the Fade, and used its "reshape reality" powers to create a whole new world--a third dimension that has aspects of both the physical world and the Fade? Perhaps the Crossroads? Or something like it?

 

That way, everyone's happy. The physical world can stay how it is, the spirit world can stay how it is, and now there's a third "hybrid world" pocket dimension that has aspects of both the spirit and the physical world, where elves can live in-touch with the Fade and regain their lost magic, immortality, and society, without tearing down the other races in the process. He could also set up the eluvians everywhere (in secret), and form an underground "elven rescue" network, with agents that go around informing elves everywhere (from the slaves of Tevinter to the Dalish in the wilds) of their new homeworld, so elves who wish to leave the physical world for their own new homeworld (a restored Elvhenan) can travel there if they wish.

 

It's like a "I no longer have to knock down your house to build my own on top of the rubble; I'll build my house in the hill next to yours" scenario.

 

I don't know if any of that would actually work, but it's something to think about.


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It's not the act of killing - Solas kills, everybody in 20 km vicinity of Skyhold has killed a whole bunch of people. Actually, him killing Felassan IS a powerful character development device, but it could be more... Which is a though I like to entertain as of now. I don't need to be convinced, I'm not attached to my doubt.

It is a powerful device.  It shows what kind of man he was/is.  How far he will go.  It shows who he is without the love/friendship of the Inquisitor.  It shows you how this fade nerd is also the same guy that wants to remove the Veil and change the world forever (for the second time), and potentially kill everyone.


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It's not the act of killing - Solas kills, everybody in 20 km vicinity of Skyhold has killed a whole bunch of people. Actually, him killing Felassan IS a powerful character development device, but it could be more... Which is a thought I like to entertain as of now. I don't need to be convinced, I'm not attached to my doubt.

 

I think it's a major character development. He ended up feeling as Felassan did and it changed him to the point that PW said he was going to give everything up to be with Lavellan. 



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Felassan was in awe of the Dread Wolf. The Dread Wolf inspires both hope and fear. 

 

<...>

 

Solas' agents are never described as 'powerful'. We know nothing of how much or little power they have.

 

I have read TME. Felassan met a godlike being who he knew would be out to kill him, and someone whose capabilities in pursuit of their plans he was keenly aware of. In the final passage Felassan went to meet his death.

 

You can fear and be in awe of someone at the same time.

 

So you are telling me this is Solas ? "There would be no arguing, no reasoning.." is Solas to you ? Someone who would never stop chasing Felassan for the crime of failing a mission, not for the crime of killing one of his friends, but just for failing a mission and being a temporary danger to his plans, that is Soals to you ? Someone who could not leave the Fade for the rest of Felassan's life (yet left the fade that same year)

 

** mind blown **

 

We see Solas completely differently O.o

 

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The thing that killed Felassan could not leave the fade (Felassan could escape it if he never slept again). Solas can and did leave the fade. For all we know during the Masked Empire Solas was already out of the fade. It is not Solas, it is a spirit or someone / something trapped somewhere far away from Orlais.


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So you are telling me this is Solas ? "There would be no arguing, no reasoning.." is Solas to you ? Someone who would never stop chasing Felassan for the crime of failing a mission, not for the crime of killing one of his friends, but just for failing a mission and being a temporary danger to his plans, that is Soals to you ?

 

** mind blown **

 

We see Solas completely differently O.o

 

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Yes.  Because Felassan no longer was loyal to him when he saw Briala as a person.  Felassan knows too much and could put his plans in danger.  Solas BEFORE the Inquisition has only one thing he cares about; taking down the Veil.

The game showed us with his personal quest that he is capable of vengeance.

 

And those are Felassan's thoughts.  What HE thinks is going to happen.  The person who kills him doesn't tell him he will hunt him for the rest of his life.  He also probably knows the rest of his life is a very short period of time anyways.


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It is a powerful device.  It shows what kind of man he was/is.  How far he will go.  It shows who he is without the love/friendship of the Inquisitor.  It shows you how this fade nerd is also the same guy that wants to remove the Veil and change the world forever (for the second time), and potentially kill everyone.

 Yes, but there is a chance he is responsible by proxy. And like Renmiri, I see Solas as a character who would take on the guilt as if he killed him with his own hands. Rightfully so too. And I think he even would add to his own guilt when ordering someone else to do it. Again, I'm pretty sure it was him, but I want to be open to other possibilities. I'm also open to several reasons to why he insists on ruining the world he just helped save. It might be a completely insane reason and it might make sense when we learn more.



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So you are telling me this is Solas ? "There would be no arguing, no reasoning.." is Solas to you ? Someone who would never stop chasing Felassan for the crime of failing a mission, not for the crime of killing one of his friends, but just for failing a mission and being a temporary danger to his plans, that is Soals to you ? Someone who could not leave the Fade for the rest of Felassan's life (yet left the fade that same year)

 

** mind blown **

 

We see Solas completely differently O.o

 

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This is before we meet him and change his heart. This is The Dread Wolf Dalish feared. In Trespasser you also find a codex saying he comes in the form of someone humble and filled with knowledge, then uses you.


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Yup. And all Solas himself says is that his agent failed. 

 

I think  Knight Enchanter / Solas is not seeing WHERE my disagreement is. I do believe Solas is capable of killing, that was not the issue.  But being a fan of Felassan, I found that the book described Felassan meeting someone he DID NOT LIKE, which to me was obviously not Fen'Harel to whom he was in awe. He went to the meeting with dread knowing his death would be inevitable, the "person" he was meeting would never rest until it killed him. That is definitely NOT SOLAS.

 

You can make Solas change his mind on killing the mages with a few words. He isn't someone who will never stop chasing someone for disobeying his orders. At most, Solas would chase Felassan while he still believed Felassan was a danger to his plans. Which would be just a few years.

 

Solas is not someone who takes a decision to kill someone and then never ever stops. And if he is, we have no hope of changing his mind, do we ?

 

@Solas - Sometimes I wonder if we read the same book. Did you not see Felassan thinking running away was futile, that his killer would never rest until he was dead ? Is that Solas in any way shape or form to you ?

MJ is fine if you like. :)

 

On why Solas said what he said about the agent who failed: Solas phrases his lines re: Felassan's death to the Inquisitor the way he does because the Inquisitor is not us and has not read The Masked Empire. She does not have that meta knowledge. It is irrelevant to the Inquisitor that he killed Felassan. This is why he only states that an agent failed and he had to override the magic personally. What does it matter to the Inquisitor that he also killed the agent? We also know Solas frequently lies by omission and only passes on the information he deems relevant.

 

Felassan didn't meet an entity he did not like. He even engages in friendly banter: "He smiled. 'You know, I suspect you'll hate this, but she reminds me of -'"

That isn't a line said to someone he hates. That's a line said to someone he knows well and has previously spoken his mind around. It's like when I say to my friends something like, "Lol you're gonna hate me for saying this but [insert unpleasant truth I know they don't wanna hear]."

 

It absolutely is Solas to not let something go. He clearly felt Felassan's death necessary. Solas does not stop in his pursuit of the things he considers necessary. Look at him in his dogged pursuit of his plans for the Veil. His entire character is built on the fact that he cannot rest until he saves the People and restores the world of the elves. It wasn't about disobeying orders, it was about the simple fact that he felt Felassan's death necessary in the scheme of his plans.

 

Solas is not someone who takes a decision to kill someone and then never ever stops. And if he is, we have no hope of changing his mind, do we ?

 

^ He is someone who never stops in the pursuit of what he considers necessary. Cole's line states he felt Felassan's death necessary. We may be able to change his mind about his future plans by making him see that they are not necessary i.e. showing him the value of this world.

 

Felassan knows running would be futile because 1) Solas can Fadewalk and find him in dreams and 2) Felassan understands that Solas never stops in pursuit of what he thinks is necessary.

 

The man you romanced in DA:I is not the same man that he was when he killed Felassan. 


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So you are telling me this is Solas ? "There would be no arguing, no reasoning.." is Solas to you ? Someone who would never stop chasing Felassan for the crime of failing a mission, not for the crime of killing one of his friends, but just for failing a mission and being a temporary danger to his plans, that is Soals to you ?

 

** mind blown **

 

We see Solas completely differently O.o

 

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Aw, well, Solas would probably thank you for thinking he's that kind of person lol. :P ;)

 

Dude is LITERALLY planning to destroy the entire world and everyone in it.  When you have plans that grand, I'm pretty sure anything else seems puny in comparison.  Now, look, I'm not saying Felassan is dead, because the only one who knows that for sure is PW and

Spoiler
.  But it doesn't make much sense to say he's not dead simply BECAUSE Solas/Fen'Harel wouldn't kill him.

 

Make no mistake: Solas is a villain.  He was conceived as a villain, and just because he's got some good qualities doesn't absolve him of the bad ones.  



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So you are telling me this is Solas ? "There would be no arguing, no reasoning.." is Solas to you ? Someone who would never stop chasing Felassan for the crime of failing a mission, not for the crime of killing one of his friends, but just for failing a mission and being a temporary danger to his plans, that is Soals to you ? Someone who could not leave the Fade for the rest of Felassan's life (yet left the fade that same year)

 

** mind blown **

 

We see Solas completely differently O.o

Well, you see, what Felassan is making clear is that normally he would be able to argue or reason with Solas because in normal circumstances, he wants to have it out, and hear what you have to say.

 

This time he's taken it a step too far by betraying him outright, and Felassan knows this because he knows his friend, his leader, and what he is capable of.

 

Edit: Top Solas

 

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So you are telling me this is Solas ? "There would be no arguing, no reasoning.." is Solas to you ? Someone who would never stop chasing Felassan for the crime of failing a mission, not for the crime of killing one of his friends, but just for failing a mission and being a temporary danger to his plans, that is Soals to you ? Someone who could not leave the Fade for the rest of Felassan's life (yet left the fade that same year)

 

** mind blown **

 

We see Solas completely differently O.o

 

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The thing that killed Felassan could not leave the fade (Felassan could escape it if he never slept again). Solas can and did leave the fade. For all we know during the Masked Empire Solas was already out of the fade. It is not Solas, it is a spirit or someone / something trapped somewhere far away from Orlais.

If you don't see the man who won't stop at anything to do what he thinks is necessary I don't know what to tell you. The point is that he thought the death necessary as Cole outright states: 'his friend had to die'.

 

He's constantly questioning and looking for a way to be shown that he's wrong and that is ISN'T necessary, yes, because he doesn't want to be right. But when he thinks something is necessary he'll do awful things in pursuit of it if needed. See: killing thousands of people


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This is before we meet him and change his heart. This is The Dread Wolf Dalish feared. In Trespasser you also find a codex saying he comes in the form of someone humble and filled with knowledge, then uses you.

But the thing meeting Felassan could not leave the Fade. Otherwise Felassan's idea of avoiding sleep would not work.

 

Solas not only CAN leave the fade but was probably already out of the fade by then. This happened less than a year before Inquisition.



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This is before we meet him and change his heart. This is The Dread Wolf Dalish feared. In Trespasser you also find a codex saying he comes in the form of someone humble and filled with knowledge, then uses you.

 

I don't really have a horse in this race or a dog in this fight or what have you.  But that codex is of the Evanuris telling the elvhen to beware Fen'Harel.  Cause he was leading a rebellion against them and calling them false gods and they wanted to put out bad PR against him.  Not saying that Solas has never used anyone but to me that codex read:  We, your gods, are telling you to beware the Dread Wolf because he says he wants to help but he doesn't really so stay loyal and keep worshipping us.


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TME is the only novel I've yet to read. Don't know why I haven't yet. Perhaps because it was based around Orlais and I have very little interest in Orlais and "the game" (mainly because "the game" is a great concept which I feel was poorly shown and executed).

 

I'll get round to it eventually though, if only to read about this Felassan fellow. I know most of the plot and characters already from the forums but he sounds fairly intriguing.

If you want to see The Game nicely executed, TME will give that to you. There's a scene with Celene, Gaspard, and (IIRC) Teagan that got me hooked into the book. And Felassan is a great character; but IMO he's one of many. My appreciation for Celene, Gaspard, and Briala went up a buttload from reading it, and makes me even sadder for their ingame depictions. TME-Celene and DAI-Celene almost seem like two different people.

 

Either way, do eeeeeet!



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So you are telling me this is Solas ? "There would be no arguing, no reasoning.." is Solas to you ? Someone who would never stop chasing Felassan for the crime of failing a mission, not for the crime of killing one of his friends, but just for failing a mission and being a temporary danger to his plans, that is Soals to you ?

 

 

Felassan isn't a temporary danger to his plans though. Felassan is an ancient elf, just like Solas is. [Presumably.] Solas's whole thing is that he saw his people as equals. That means that Felassan isn't just some slave, he's a friend, and he's also a potential rival. 

 

Hypothetical situation, since we don't know the extent of Solas's plans or what he has as far as resources go. But lets say there's a cache of ancient elves sleeping somewhere, and they are waiting to be awakened. Solas lets Felassan live. Felassan, fearing for Briala's life, decides to go and kill those sleeping elves so that Solas's forces are weakened. Or, just ensures they can't awaken. 

 

Felassan has now done irreparable harm to Solas's people. Solas can't risk that. The minute Felassan said that the people of the modern world were worth saving, Felassan turned his back on the old ways. He would always be a liability. Any ancient elf that turns against them is a problem because of the knowledge they could impart to the current world. 

 

Remember, Solas is actively planning a merger that will likely kill non-elves. Maybe even elves. Once you're committed to that plan, you are going to be capable of some very monstrous things. That doesn't mean that Solas is unredeemable. But he's absolutely capable of kicking a few puppies, and one of them was named Felassan. 


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If you don't see the man who won't stop at anything to do what he thinks is necessary I don't know what to tell you. The point is that he thought the death necessary as Cole outright states: 'his friend had to die'.

 

He's constantly questioning and looking for a way to be shown that he's wrong and that is ISN'T necessary, yes, because he doesn't want to be right. But when he thinks something is necessary he'll do awful things in pursuit of it if needed. See: killing thousands of people

My contention is not so much about if Solas could kill or not. My beef is that the thing in those pages does not discuss, does not take pleas, has no use for passionate disagreements. And CAN NOT LEAVE THE FADE as if it could Felassan's plan to escape by avoiding sleep would be useless. Solas can leave the fade.

 

Explain me that: Why did Felassan contemplate never sleeping to avoid "Solas" ? What makes you think that an intelligent elf would think this worked ?

 

He's constantly questioning and looking for a way to be shown that he's wrong and that is ISN'T necessary

Yet the text above makes it clear the thing meeting Felassan did not accept discussion, pleas, passionate disaggreemets. Yet you are telling me the 2 sentences describe Solas. Don't you see how it is near impossible to be "constantly questioning" and to not accept questioning ?

 

Even with the mages he kills, he hears their side of the story first. Yet less than year before he refused to hear one of his trusted agents ? No way.


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So you are telling me this is Solas ? "There would be no arguing, no reasoning.." is Solas to you ? Someone who would never stop chasing Felassan for the crime of failing a mission, not for the crime of killing one of his friends, but just for failing a mission and being a temporary danger to his plans, that is Soals to you ? Someone who could not leave the Fade for the rest of Felassan's life (yet left the fade that same year)

 

** mind blown **

 

We see Solas completely differently O.o

 

Yes, this is what Solas is effectively turning into. Now, thanks to Felassan's sacrifice and events in Inquisition, if we impressed Solas enough, we have a chance for him NOT to become what he himself seems to fear.

 

Isn't this notion actually motivating you to help him more? Because it definitely does the trick for me.

 

It also helps to re-contextualize Felassan's death - he's the one who may have saved the world (and Solas with it), not the freak accident that was Corypheus and his crazy dreams of godhood (even if I still appreciate the irony), by starting a chain of events that would eventually lead to Solas ending up with Inquisition and learning of people and the world he planned to destroy.

 

It may also help Solas accept Felassan's death as not meaningless in case he doesn't follow through with his plan - oh sure, it will still hurt him TERRIBLY to know that his friend basically sacrificed himself to knock him back to his senses, but it may be one of the crucial impulses to help him move on.

 

Solas' life has value (something I think he himself doesn't believe in) - not just to Inquisitor NOW, but to Felassan through all this time. Felassan didn't forget who Solas was; he didn't let him "die alone" by being forgotten underneath the Dread Wolf persona, even by Solas himself. He fought to restore his friend to his former self and thought it was worth his own life.

 

That's goddamn beautiful.

 

edit: It also brings an entirely new meaning to his name, IMO. The Beast the Slow Arrow from legends has slain may actually be the twisted version of Dread Wolf Solas was/is on a path to become.


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