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[Uirebhiril]

But I also understand why a lot of other fans hate him.  Let's face it - we're in the Solas fan thread.  We're his fans.  We spend a lot of time analysing and discussing his character.  People in other parts of the BSN are more likely to say 'that guy is a monster' and leave it at that.

 

I seriously think that's as much a tragedy as people who will defend him and his actions at all costs. Solas doesn't even defend his actions at all costs. He just believes it is necessary. Why take away from him being who he is, and as well written as he is? I kind of feel for folks who don't even try to get to know him or see anything beyond the "he's sweetness and light" and "he's an evil murderer" masks. There's so much more to it than that. 

[Solas]

Yes it's about Felassan and Solas, I can't find anything else to connect it to. "His friend had to die" is not the same as "He killed his friend". It could be "He let his friend be killed" or "He ordered someone to kill his friend". PW left this ambiguous and I find that interesting.

Right. I've stated that if he didn't do it, he certainly ordered it or allowed it. I don't make any differentiation between these possibilities. He's still responsible, which is what I am arguing for. If it was by someone else's hand (either by order or simply letting it happen), it's not because the someone else was overzealous and did something Solas didn't want them to do thereby excusing Solas. The wolf is responsible directly or no. The wolf didn't feel sad as the arrow broke somewhere else.

[Orleans87]

And I don't think the Quizzy being one and the same as a Faith Spirit would cheapen their character in the slightest.

 

 

I think the Quizzy just is special to begin with.

 

 

 

This is what i tried to express with my thumbeling english skills

 

 

About Mythal/Solas, I don't see a romantic connection between them. Maybe a familial one, or a very close friendship. He admired her greatly for caring about her people. He believed that she didn't take advantage, or misuse her people. She treated them with compassion, and gave them justice when it was needed. The fact that the rest of the Evanuris killed the one he considered the best of them was Solas's breaking point.

 

As far as the scene with them at the end of the game, I think it was something they had planned long ago. I suspect Solas needed her help to deal with the Evanuris when he removed the veil. Because when you talk to him about it, he says he has a plan. Flemeth/Mythal never did anything before without a purpose, and that scene feels like it was planned between them. She didn't seem surprised, or betrayed, or anything about it. And if Mythal is truly all about justice/vengeance, she would have reacted in a way that showed it if he had betrayed her.

 

I think a previous romance between the two would be inappropriate, because Solas is still stuck in the past. He has never moved on. The devs wouldn't have made him a romance option if that was the case, because it does cheapen his relationship with Lavellan. And we know for a fact that he loves Lavellan with all that he is, and it's killing him to stay away from her.

 

 

I didn't really see a romantic connection either. I just wanted to express why it would bother me because apparently it doesn't matter to some people

 

 

How is this possible? This would break me apart if it was true. 

I don't know if I remember it correctly but didn't romanced Lavellan or any Inquisitor for that matter, ask who Mythal is to him and he interrupts before she finishes to say.....

 

 

This scares me!

Especially cause how Lavellan seems to suspect it or something how she says " or is she..." (something to that nature, I don't remember the exact dialogue.

[Renmiri1]

Uh, you asked a question about Solas killing Felassan, who was revealed to be his agent in the DLC, and that information is dependent on people having played the DLC to understand the reference. AND you did so merely 3 hours after it was released.

 

Of course Weekes and all the devs are going to be like "spoilers!" to anyone who asks a question related to information or characters from the DLC for several weeks at least. You cannot expect to be able to use a cagey Twitter response to confirm or deny your position on any topic, much less "did Solas reaaaally kill Felassan or no?"

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He answered all other questions, we were using rot13

[Jaderail]

If Solas is continuing his plan even though he thinks or knows a lot of people are going to die, including Lavellan, then I honestly think he is fully capable of killing Felassan. We wont know for sure until it's confirmed, and I take a bit of comfort in knowing that the fact that we're told spoilers on any of it is really only a sign that that part of the story isn't over or will likely be covered in a later installment. 

 

But really, if Solas is all "Ar lath ma vhenan" one moment and then "I might inadvertently kill you in a few years" by the end of Trespasser, is it that hard to believe he killed Felassan? 

[S.W.]

My contention is not so much about if Solas could kill or not. My beef is that the thing in those pages does not discuss, does not take pleas, has no use for passionate disagreements. And CAN NOT LEAVE THE FADE as if it could Felassan's plan to escape by avoiding sleep would be useless. Solas can leave the fade.
 
Explain me that: Why did Felassan contemplate never sleeping to avoid "Solas" ? What makes you think that an intelligent elf would think this worked ?
 
He's constantly questioning and looking for a way to be shown that he's wrong and that is ISN'T necessary
Yet the text above makes it clear the thing meeting Felassan did not accept discussion, pleas, passionate disaggreemets. Yet you are telling me the 2 sentences describe Solas. Don't you see how it is near impossible to be "constantly questioning" and to not accept questioning ?

People are often silly and contradictory. This applies doubly so when they are under emotional stress. Sometimes they're willfully ignorant when deeply held principles are challenged, to the extent of cognitive dissonance. Solas and Felassan are not exceptions to these rules.

spoiler'd for length, the above paragraph is the tl;dr reason.

Spoiler

Felassan probably, at this point, recognised that his actions would result in his death. But Felassan does not want to die. So Felassan avoids the fade, partially because he feels quite guilty about having to leave behind his friend and his old principles, partially because his betrayal will likely be detected in the fade, and partially because it gives him time and space to try to come up with some last minute escape plan which Solas won't detect. It's an act of desperation, not logic. I think Felassan had chosen to help Briala, and was living on a hope and a prayer at that point.

The better question is - why did Felassan report back to Solas anyway? Or put himself in a position where he was easily found? If I were Felassan, I'd ask Briala to help me find some unknown corner in the crossroads which is difficult to find, and from there, never look back - I'd find somewhere he might not catch you, or the chance is slimmer. But perhaps the decision was more emotional - not wanting to spend the rest of your life on the run, and also wanting to respect your friend.

Solas questions the rationale behind what he's doing. But he's at least resigned to the path he's on, even if he doesn't have much faith in it. He is always questioning what he is doing, but is so resolute in his goal that he puts his doubts aside. This is incredibly common. Whilst I do not have faith myself, I am led to believe that faith - rather than providing a peaceful view of the world where everything has purpose, instead of an existential void - is actually incredibly difficult, and that most people who take faith seriously have struggled with it, even in a small way, at some point in their lifetime. It's a route where you often doubt yourself, but refuse to accept the conclusion of those doubts, because that conclusion is considered simply too terrible.

The same is true of politics. I knew a lot of politics students back at university, and often questioned why many of them dedicated their lives to small, insignificant parties which would most likely never be the force for change they desire. And many of them question as much themselves. Sometimes, they even change their minds - but refuse to leave the party because doing so would indicate that the deeply held beliefs and the efforts gone to realise them, are just completely wrong, and they've wasted most of their life on nothing. A lot of people can't deal with confronting that reality.

Solas reminds me of those kind of people in that he is resigned to a goal - I doubt he has genuine faith in it, at this point - and to admit truthfully that it is wrong would mean admitting that so much of his life has been a waste, that so much of what he has done has been for nothing, but also because he was responsible for that ambition, it means that he has also wasted lots of other people's lives, times, dreams, ambitions, hopes. It means he can no longer wave off the unethical actions he has caused as necessary, as means to an end, because that end no longer exists. That's a very, very bitter pill to swallow. It's a conclusion so monstrous that he doesn't want to believe it possible - he's still hoping that there's a better way that exists.

 

Even with the mages he kills, he hears their side of the story first. Yet less than year before he refused to hear one of his trusted agents ? No way.

Worth noting - in the case of the mages, killing them wasn't at all necessary or beneficial to the mission.

In comparison, having not only failed the objective - gaining control of the eluvian network - and not only giving the control to an opposing party, but actively refusing to acquire the passcode involves standing as a direct obstacle towards Solas' primary goal. Felassan stands in the way of his mission. It's a different situation because in the case of Felassan, Solas would argue that he would be neglecting the achievement of a greater, ethical good in the long-term (i.e. restoring the veil) by allowing Felassan to live and likely actively oppose his plans. The mages do not present such an obstacle.

[Hedinve]

The grey Solas is the best Solas, that is what makes him so attractive to me at least. Tho I might be attracted to him for all the wrong reasons; at the end I wanted him to burn the world ("Why can't anything just stay fixed?!"), but changed my mind only because he would feel bad about it. 

[Hedinve]

Right. I've stated that if he didn't do it, he certainly ordered it or allowed it. I don't make any differentiation between these possibilities. He's still responsible, which is what I am arguing for. If it was by someone else's hand (either by order or simply letting it happen), it's not because the someone else was overzealous and did something Solas didn't want them to do thereby excusing Solas. The wolf is responsible directly or no. The wolf didn't feel sad as the arrow broke somewhere else.

 

Then we are totally in agreement, good sir

[MayriyaNoori]

waaaahhh~

*hides forever in blanketfort*

Wow.......wow.....

 

Solas dialogue is soooooooooooooooooooo depressing now......

 

....my Lavellan is stronger than I am.

[Illyria]

Ouch! I guess he deserves it  though it looks like I'm one of the few who are sympathetic to him right now. Lots of angry Lavellans here

 

I'm team 'I'm not mad, I'm just disappointed'.
 

[k_drake]

Wow.......wow.....

 

Solas dialogue is soooooooooooooooooooo depressing now......

 

....my Lavellan is stronger than I am.

...or maybe just more of a masochist?  I can never decide which...

[_Lucinia]

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He answered all other questions, we were using rot13

He didn't answer all other questions though.  Just a quick scroll through his twitter and there are just as many RiverSong.jpg replies as there are answered questions.

 

I used rot13 to see what your questions were and of course he answered like he did.  You also asked if Mythal is dead and if Morrigan hates Mythal.  I am making a big assumption here but I think his reaction was more to that than the Felassan question.

[Solas]

aw yas i got my likes back yooo

[Renmiri1]

The thing that killed Felassan can not leave the Fade.

The thing that killed Felassan will not discuss his decisions or be interested in being convinced to not do something violent

The thing that killed Felassan hates.. "I suspect you will hate this but she reminded me of.." 

The thing that killed Felassan doesn't talk, doesn't ask questions

 

To me this is either not Solas or a Solas written almost a year before the Solas we know came to be. We all know romanced Solas did not exist at that time, it is a new development.

 

We shall see and TBH either me or "our" Solas can both be right or wrong right now but the person who will write canon Solas has not finalized things yet so it is a moot point to keep on about it

[Solas]

false alarm nooo

[Solas]

He didn't answer all other questions though.  Just a quick scroll through his twitter and there are just as many RiverSong.jpg replies as there are answered questions.

 

I used rot13 to see what your questions were and of course he answered like he did.  You also asked if Mythal is dead and if Morrigan hates Mythal.  I am making a big assumption here but I think his reaction was more to that than the Felassan question.

I agree.

[Nhadalie]

This is what i tried to express with my thumbeling english skills

 

 

 

I didn't really see a romantic connection either. I just wanted to express why it would bother me because apparently it doesn't matter to some people

 

 

How is this possible? This would break me apart if it was true. 

I don't know if I remember it correctly but didn't romanced Lavellan or any Inquisitor for that matter, ask who Mythal is to him and he interrupts before she finishes to say.....

 

 

This scares me!

Especially cause how Lavellan seems to suspect it or something how she says " or is she..." (something to that nature, I don't remember the exact dialogue.

I think you did a fine job explaining it, but you're welcome.

 

 

It would destroy me to find out that Solas is in love with Mythal in the future. It goes against everything we've heard, and learned about them so far. And while Weekes likes seeing us sob huge fangirl tears, I don't think he'd be that cruel.

 

Bioware has had other romanceable characters who were previously in love with other people. But I can't imagine them doing that with Solas. The romance is heartbreaking enough, adding more romantic complications of that nature are unnecessary. And I think it would destroy the whole point of the romance.

 

I mean, Solas is a mess. With all of his guilt over the past, rage against the Qunari and other groups, and guilt about the present. But he's Lavellen's mess!

[Uirebhiril]

I don't know if I remember it correctly but didn't romanced Lavellan or any Inquisitor for that matter, ask who Mythal is to him and he interrupts before she finishes to say.....

 

 

This scares me!

Especially cause how Lavellan seems to suspect it or something how she says " or is she..." (something to that nature, I don't remember the exact dialogue.

 

I have absolutely no recollection of this sort of dialogue anywhere when talking to Solas.

[k_drake]

I'm team 'I'm not mad, I'm just disappointed'.
 

I feel like this is something everyone keeps saying:  "Everyone else is so angry, except me, I guess, b/c my Lavellan is kind.... :wub:"  But then when I look for the posts in this thread where other solasmancers are like, "You know what Solas, F*#! YOU, we're done, and that's canon," there aren't (that m)any.  No it's all, "Well, obviously I'm sort of grumpy b/c my boyfriend is a megalomaniac, but it's not like I'd ABANDON him."  

[RynJ]

I think you did a fine job explaining it, but you're welcome.

 

 

It would destroy me to find out that Solas is in love with Mythal in the future. It goes against everything we've heard, and learned about them so far. And while Weekes likes seeing us sob huge fangirl tears, I don't think he'd be that cruel.

 

Bioware has had other romanceable characters who were previously in love with other people. But I can't imagine them doing that with Solas. The romance is heartbreaking enough, adding more romantic complications of that nature are unnecessary. And I think it would destroy the whole point of the romance.

 

I mean, Solas is a mess. With all of his guilt over the past, rage against the Qunari and other groups, and guilt about the present. But he's Lavellen's mess!

 

I mean, Solas has been around a long time. A loooooong time. It's a bit unbelievable that he was never in love with someone else. It's been said that his feelings for Mythal are complicated, and if he was in love with her to some extent at some point, that adds to it. He seems to put her on a pedestal at some times, more than I imagine Mythal deserves (I'm also of the mind that there's some unpleasant things we've yet to learn about her). I'd definitely believe it if it was revealed that he loved her in the past. The complicated feelings thing especially applies if the theory that he was bound to her and freed himself is true.

 

In the end, he's in love with Lavellan and only Lavellan now, and it's probably stronger than what he's felt before. Isn't that the only thing that matters? I don't think we're going to get into a love triangle with Solas and Mythal. 

[Illyria]

SOLAS IS A GODDAMN MONSTER. F!LAVELLAN IS A PSYCHO. 

 

Thank you for playing Dragon Age...

 

Congratulations on completing Stage One of Trespasser: playing the DLC.

 

Welcome to Stage Two.

[MayriyaNoori]

I think you did a fine job explaining it, but you're welcome.

 

 

It would destroy me to find out that Solas is in love with Mythal in the future. It goes against everything we've heard, and learned about them so far. And while Weekes likes seeing us sob huge fangirl tears, I don't think he'd be that cruel.

 

Bioware has had other romanceable characters who were previously in love with other people. But I can't imagine them doing that with Solas. The romance is heartbreaking enough, adding more romantic complications of that nature are unnecessary. And I think it would destroy the whole point of the romance.

 

I mean, Solas is a mess. With all of his guilt over the past, rage against the Qunari and other groups, and guilt about the present. But he's Lavellen's mess!

I'm beginning to feel like mess is an understatement with Solas.

 

My two-year old makes a mess.

 

She doesn't make apocalypses.

[Solas]

I'd take Solas to the Shrine of Boethiah and use the Pillar of Sacrifice to bring back Felassan tbh 

[Hedinve]

  No it's all, "Well, obviously I'm sort of grumpy b/c my boyfriend is a megalomaniac, but it's not like I'd ABANDON him."  

But he is such a hot megalomaniac? And he could have Reasons. *irrational*