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[Elessara]

Make the whole world tranquil. Literally cut off the Fade forever. It would be like our world then now that I think about it.

 

 

 

I think all the magic will come back as Sandal said, but unless they can find a balance, it won't last. Qunari attack because of magic being out of control, Kirkwall fell because of blood magic, red lyrium is to fuel magic and a mage caused a major rebellion, while another ancient one nearly tore the world apart. I'm not saying it's DA4's plot, but when DA finally ends, I could see it going that way.

 

But our world *isn't* like Thedas on a very fundamental level.  The Tranquil, those cut off completely from the Fade, are emotionless.  They have no dreams, they care about nothing.  They speak in a monotone.  They're like organic robots.  They probably wouldn't reproduce because why would they?  They have no desires, care nothing for having children.  Elves and humans would likely die out in less than a generation.

 

The only ones who *aren't* like that are the dwarves.  I've also read that qunari don't dream in quite the same way but they still dream so turning them Tranquil would *likely* have the same effect as it would on humans and elves.  Basically you'd be turning the world over to the dwarves (and possibly qunari).

 

That's ... horrible.

[FrankWisdom]

I see the only safe way to end all madness is all magic being removed forever.

 

The Fade is intrinsically tied to mortal beings. This is how Cole describes it as well as Spirits (if you help him become more like a spirit).

 

Spirit Cole:

 

"It is here (The Fade) but held, constrained by a construct, veiled. Feelings, memories, minds, mortality: All shape it, a glass to hold water, we (spirits) flow in the deep (Fade). Without you (Mortals), we (spirits) have nothing, not even us."

 

You can't get rid of it without destroying the world, as it is a product of life.

 

This could also be a reference to what is sustaining the veil rather than referencing The Fade itself.

 

The whole point in my opinion is literally the relationship between the "soul" and the body.

 

The Fade represents all that is spiritual and abstract i.e. feelings, memories, minds, imagination, will

 

While the "earth" represents all that is concrete. Sensations, touch, smell, sight, hearing, limitation, mortality, time. everything that holds our spirit and helps us express the spirit.

 

A delicate balance that is primordial and necessary, something that has been sundered by the veil.

 

That's why I believe Solas first saw us as less than people. unreal in his eyes as we were "incomplete", missing a fundamental part of ourselves, what he cherishes so, the spirit. We proved him this was not so yet his determination is unflinching.

 

It also explains his comment when he asks whether or not the mark has changed us fundamentally. Whether or not it changed who we were, our... spirit.

 

This comment is the precise moment that made him see us as people, because he needed to know whether our connection with The Fade due to the mark was the reason that led to him seeing us differently, as whole, as an example.

 

The fact is, our action,s who we are as a person is what defined the mark, not the other way around and Solas saw this.

 

People who lament it's loss and talk about us being a special snowflake because of it I think miss the mark (pun intended) completely. It also shows they don't understand Solas as a character and just how layered he is.

 

The mark was circumstance and opportunity.

 

Much like magic and technology. It is a tool.

 

How and why we use it defines us, not the other way around.

 

power is not inherently evil. Those concepts are developed by us, by our perceptions.

 

 

Here's a good example:

 

Ultimately, a demon is simply a spirit whose purpose has been perverted. Pulling a spirit unwillingly into the mortal world, particularly to achieve a goal out of keeping with its nature, will change a spirit into a demon (however, a spirit passing willingly through the Veil will not be changed^[3]). Furthermore, an individual anticipating seeing a demon will do so, even if the entity is in fact a spirit.

[Solas]

makes myself teary writing sad fic 

[NeverlandHunter]

Hopefully someone's already answered you, but I'll say anyway just in case:

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[drosophila]

makes myself teary writing sad fic

Add a rabbit to the story

[dawnstone]

Not literally tranquil   I meant as in removing magic from it. We will still dream and have emotions, but we cannot reach the Fade anymore because magic is gone.

Their world is not our world though, and its laws are different. Our dreams and emotions don't come from the Fade, they're part of a biological process in our body, but in Thedas dreams are a person's spirit reaching out to the Fade every night and their emotions can actually influence reality on a fundamental basis, drawing spirits and making them stronger or weaker.

[Elessara]

It's not a good way, but it might be the only way. Magic is out of control. That's always been a constant theme. It has to be dealt with and fast. Maybe this will be one of the ways to stop Solas. Might make him pause for a moment.

 

Magic wasn't "out of control" in the time before the Veil.  It was relied upon heavily because it was everywhere and everyone had it.  Except perhaps the dwarves but we don't know much about the dwarves pre-Veil.  The Evanuris were out of control.

 

And I still think the real threat to modern Thedas is the Blight.

[S.W.]

Going to be blunt here - how much better is 'destroy the fade and definitely turn every single sentient being in Thedas into tranquil' than 'destroy the veil and maybe kill everyone, hoping for the best'?

It's the better option, I'd probably agree. But it's like comparing two massive piles of shite and declaring one the moral high ground. It's hardly a solution to the problem.

[midnight tea]

It's not a good way, but it might be the only way. Magic is out of control. That's always been a constant theme. It has to be dealt with and fast. Maybe this will be one of the ways to stop Solas. Might make him pause for a moment.

 

But that's like throwing a baby out with the bath-water. You can't save the world by effectively destroying it entirely. It's like us here deciding - "uh, air! It transmits airborne diseases and lets us hear ourselves! And we can throw insults and slander people! It must be destroyed for our own safety!"

 

..... Yeah, I can't see that going well. 

[Solas]

Add a rabbit to the story

well there's kind of a seal????

[RynJ]

Going to be blunt here - how much better is 'destroy the fade and definitely turn every single sentient being in Thedas into tranquil' than 'destroy the veil and maybe kill everyone, hoping for the best'?

It's the better option, I'd probably agree. But it's like comparing two massive piles of shite and declaring one the moral high ground. It's hardly a solution to the problem.

 

I don't know, Solas doesn't seem to doubt that he can bring his people back. He probably can. It doesn't make what he's doing suck less, but having people alive and feeling is always a better world than one full of tranquil. I'd say Solas' plan is better than destroying the Fade.

[RynJ]

Yep! That's why if we gave Solas that choice, he might be swayed. Risk restoring everything or lose everything in the attempt.

 

 

Alive is better than dead, but again this is a possible way to stop Solas.

 

To stop Solas.....threaten to be an infinitely bigger villain than Solas?

 

I....kind of dig it. What a brilliant option that would be for RP! 

[Elessara]

I know that, but there's always a way around things. Point is, magic is the cause and we have failed in proving we can control it. Something has to change. And this is BW, for all we know they will come up with something that will change how we think things work or it will evolve or adapt. Anything can happen really.

 

To be blunt, the only reason magic is a problem is because of the Veil to begin with.  If the Veil had never existed, mostly everyone would have magic and interact with spirits and there would probably be less instances of abominations/possession since the spirits could interact directly with people instead of having to possess someone to experience the physical world.  And even if there were abominations people wouldn't be at their mercy because everyone would have magic.

 

And I suppose BioWare could pull a Deus Ex Machina and suddenly decide to change the way the world of Thedas works but it would have to be done very carefully and very well.  Or it would be kinda lame.

[drosophila]

well there's kind of a seal????

 

Dude, where's your AO3?

[Elessara]

 

Yep! That's why if we gave Solas that choice, he might be swayed. Risk restoring everything or lose everything in the attempt.

 

 

Alive is better than dead, but again this is a possible way to stop Solas.

 

 

 

I have no doubt that once the Veil is torn, the Blight will spread. I think it's trapped in the Fade and why the city is Black.

 

 

The Blight isn't trapped in the Fade ... because Cory and Co. decided to rip open a hole the Veil and go to the Black City.  The Blight is now in the world.  You know, darkspawn?  Red lyrium?

[Cee]

makes myself teary writing sad fic 

Use those feels well.

 

I'm writing slightly sad fic but still stuck in Lavellan's past.

 

I have a ton of Solas feelings and yet all I can write about right now are girls.

[sandalisthemaker]

I'm sorry, but Solas' scheme just seems so ill-conceived and ridiculous.  Perhaps because we don't' have any info on how he plans to bring 'his people' back.

 

Will tearing down the Veil magically transform modern elves back into how they were?  Doesn't seem likely based on what he says.

 

The whole thing just sounds like one of Isabela's hair-brained ideas.  

 

'Step one, enter the fade. Step two destroy the Veil. Something something.... profit! My people are restored!!'

[Elessara]

 

This is where it gets complicated. Remove the Veil and something bad happens to kill everyone is what he implies. I actually don't think removing the Veil will kill anyone though. When you ask Solas why we have to die, he says he can't tell you. To me that means our deaths are by his hands. He will kill us by choice and reshape the world to his desires.

 

So to threaten to cut it out for good, might make him reconsider. That or we have one heck of a boss fight.

 

 

 

Andruil possibly found the Blight and it seems connected to Mythal killing a Titan.

 

 

You say that being alive and Tranquil is better than being dead.  Karl from DA2 didn't think so.  A lot of mages don't think so.  And to quote a Garbage song (or James Bond movie), "There's no point in living if you don't feel alive."  

[RynJ]

I'm sorry, but Solas' scheme just seems so ill-conceived and ridiculous.  Perhaps because we don't' have any info on how he plans to bring 'his people' back.

 

Will tearing down the Veil magically transform modern elves back into how they were?  Doesn't seem likely based on what he says.

 

The whole thing just sounds like one of Isabela's hair-brained ideas.  

 

'Step one, enter the fade. Step two destroy the Veil. Something something.... profit! My people are restored!!'

 

I don't doubt that it's much more thought out than we know at this point. It's still a crappy idea, and probably won't ever be portrayed as anything but since we're always going to be put in opposition to him as players, I imagine. Anything else is just speculation at this point, though.

 

*sigh* this is all an option to stop Solas. I'm not trying to say it's the only way, but might be the only way if all else fails. I'm sorry I even suggested it.

 

 

Nobody's actually mad, you know. It's just debating! On that note, I think that this idea is not the way to anything. I'd rather just let Solas succeed than do this, honestly.