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[Elessara]

 

This is where it gets complicated. Remove the Veil and something bad happens to kill everyone is what he implies. I actually don't think removing the Veil will kill anyone though. When you ask Solas why we have to die, he says he can't tell you. To me that means our deaths are by his hands. He will kill us by choice and reshape the world to his desires.

 

So to threaten to cut it out for good, might make him reconsider. That or we have one heck of a boss fight.

 

 

 

Andruil possibly found the Blight and it seems connected to Mythal killing a Titan.

 

 

"Possibly" and "seems to be" but we really don't know much about the Blight at all.  We know it seems to be as much a spiritual disease as a physical one as it apparently connects you into the "hivemind" of everything that's Blighted.  We know it can genetically mutate.  We know it contains a power all its own.  But that's pretty much all we KNOW about the Blight.  Well that and it was involved in the three main protagonists of each DA game (Archdemon, Meredith, Corypheus).

[drosophila]

*sigh* this is all an option to stop Solas. I'm not trying to say it's the only way, but might be the only way if all else fails. I'm sorry I even suggested it.

 

No, no, don't be sorry, every suggestion's worth examining. (Except for that one thread about Solas eating people... but even that was at least funny.)

[Elessara]

*sigh* this is all an option to stop Solas. I'm not trying to say it's the only way, but might be the only way if all else fails. I'm sorry I even suggested it.

 

Er, sorry if I'm coming across as hostile!  =(

 

I'm actually enjoying the debate.

[drosophila]

I was quite horrified at that.

 

And no it's just all day my ideas have had a lot of what feels like negative reactions at the general area today, so I'm just tired. That's all.

 

Aww, I'm sorry. The blanket fort is here for you 

 

[sandalisthemaker]

I don't doubt that it's much more thought out than we know at this point. It's still a crappy idea, and probably won't ever be portrayed as anything but since we're always going to be put in opposition to him as players, I imagine. Anything else is just speculation at this point, though.

 

 

I personally believe that Solas did not fully kill/absorb Flemeth/Mythal's soul. Flemeth is tricky and fabulous, and I think that he only got part of her and that she pushed a piece of herself through the Eluvian just before he approached her. I say this because I think that the elves disappearing en mass is due to Mythal, not Solas since he doesn't think they are his people.  

 

Maybe Flemeth thinks Solas is going about this the wrong way and has plans to oppose him.  That's what I like to think anyway. 

[Cee]

No, no, don't be sorry, every suggestion's worth examining. (Except for that one thread about Solas eating people... but even that was at least funny.)

 

We have lots of time ahead of us and plenty of things will be discussed and discussed again and then over again. But I certainly hope the Solas eating people thing doesn't come back.

[Solas]

Dude, where's your AO3?

knifeear

 

I don't write very much and what I do is incredibly disjointed ha

[RynJ]

I personally believe that Solas did not fully kill/absorb Flemeth/Mythal's soul. Flemeth is tricky and fabulous, and I think that he only got part of her and that she pushed a piece of herself through the Eluvian just before he approached her. I say this because I think that the elves disappearing en mass is due to Mythal, not Solas since he doesn't think they are his people.  

 

Maybe Flemeth thinks Solas is going about this the wrong way and has plans to oppose him.  That's what I like to think anyway. 

 

I don't know about that. She seems to want her revenge. She'd be more enjoyable as a grayer character anyways.

[Kittn]

Hello thread. Sorry to interrupt any debates on magical theory, but I'm ankle deep in the second chapter of my silly little fanfic and a thing has come up, so I'd like to take a moment to talk to you all about Andraste.

I was wondering if it would be reasonable for a Lavellan to be considering spiritual conversion in light of all that's happened. So I did a little digging to that effect, and maybe the theorymongers already touched on this, but there's some interesting stuff in the chantry's history. Stuff that I really don't like the implications of, if I'm honest.

By the way, spoilers coming, for the unwary who didn't notice the words on the welcome mat. :3

So! We know that Solas created the veil. And we know that the Chant of Light says the Maker did it. The Chant of Light is a record of Andraste's stories, recorded by people who knew/followed her, no? And that was almost a thousand years ago. The veil itself was thousands of years old by the time Andraste was born. She came upon her revelation through terrible visions or nightmares according to the wiki. In these visions she saw the works of a diety who presumably turned his back on his people, banished the old gods and created the veil. She called/mistook him for the Maker. Based on what we know, I have no doubt that she encountered a memory of what Solas did. Probably twisted by his own guilt, or the anger of the Evanuris to look like betrayal or abandonment.

From what I can tell, that's pretty much what started her rise to prophet-ness. The rest sorta reads like chantry propaganda and politics, with the imperium disputing nearly all of it. So where's that leave us? Is Solas the Maker? I don't think so. And I really hope not, because that's just stupid. There was life before Solas, and before the Evanuris. Is that evidence of a Maker? The one whose First Children were spirits? His banter with Cassandra on the subject seems to indicate Solas thinks, or is open to the idea of there being one.

Then again he did say the creator of THIS world in said banter. So I guess it's also possible he was just being a smartass, because that technically would be him for making the world as it is.



Well, what do you all think? Does anyone have any other delicious lore bits or theory (preferably ones that don't involve Solas = Maker, because no) to add to all this? And what sort of faith will your Lavellans hold onto now, if any? I believe Tiger may be a little bewildered on that front at present, which will make writing about it tricky.

[drosophila]

knifeear

 

I don't write very much and what I do is incredibly disjointed ha

 

Oh, thanks! You're the one who wrote that Wolf at Heaven's Door fic! I read that right after I joined here... Memories  

[sandalisthemaker]

I don't know about that. She seems to want her revenge. She'd be more enjoyable as a grayer character anyways.

 

True, although I have to wonder who she wants to exact vengeance upon since the people who killed her are already locked away. There has to be something missing. 

[RynJ]

True, although I have to wonder who she wants to exact vengeance upon since the people who killed her are already locked away. There has to be something missing. 

 

It's possible that isn't enough for her! They're still alive, after all. Solas getting her revenge for her might not have been sufficiently satisfying.

[Solas]

Oh, thanks! You're the one who wrote that Wolf at Heaven's Door fic! I read that right after I joined here... Memories

yes I am

[Elessara]

Someone has a theory up that red lyrium comes from a dead Titan. I wonder if this Void Andruil found was actually the abyss where the Darkspawn live? It seems they were around long before the Magisters according to dwavres, but does that mean when Mythal killed a Titan she opened up their world?

 

Unfortunately it's just a theory.  I would love to know more about the Blight.  Not just "Eww darkspawn!" but the origins and the whys.  The Blight actually horrifies me more than Solas' plan.  But that could just be b/c I'm still super creeped out by Hespith and her poem.  I probably shouldn't have played that part of DAO for the first time at 2 am when it was dead quiet and dark and .. yeah.

[dawnstone]

True, although I have to wonder who she wants to exact vengeance upon since the people who killed her are already locked away. There has to be something missing. 

It seems clear to me that she is waiting for the Veil to be torn down, and is actively promoting its removal by allowing Solas to have her power, so she can have access to the Evanuris. They're the ones who killed her, who else could she want vengeance on?

[drosophila]

 

 

 

Thanks!

 

I made an innocent comment about Solas possibly using blood magic on the elves to open the Veil and was overwhelmed by one member. I know they didn't mean to come off hostile, but it was a bit hard to get a proper word in.

 

 

Really? That's one of the valid theories right now - I think it hasn't been disproven yet. It has come up a few times on this thread, has been discussed calmly, and we're the Solas fan thread. I'm sorry. 

[sandalisthemaker]

It's possible that isn't enough for her! They're still alive, after all. Solas getting her revenge for her might not have been sufficiently satisfying.

 

Since I am of the mind that she isn't gone for good ( I can't accept that yet. I like her way too much ), IMO Solas is now on her bad side.  On the one hand, she could have willingly given (a piece) of her soul to him, but what I got from Solas' apology to her was that he was essentially sacrificing her to achieve his goal- betraying her if you will- just like all the others did.   Maybe I'm misinterpreting her apology to him, but I like to think that she's apologizing for whatever she has planned next. 

 

But that's just me.  

 

And I'm sure this was discussed, but I fully believe that Andraste was a previous host of Mythal, and I would like to believe that Solas was Shartan. Not sure about the latter based on Solas saying he slumbered for ages. Andraste giving the elves the Dales was Mythal's attempt to help the elves in the past. 

[Elessara]

It seems clear to me that she is waiting for the Veil to be torn down, and is actively promoting its removal by allowing Solas to have her power, so she can have access to the Evanuris. They're the ones who killed her, who else could she want vengeance on?

 

I keep thinking about Flemeth's rant.  How she was betrayed, as the world was betrayed.  How exactly was the world betrayed?  The only thing I can think of is the creation of the Veil which screwed up so much.  But it doesn't fit with her murder unless she doesn't consider her murder to be a betrayal.  I mean, if she was working against the other Evanuris she'd have to expect them to come after her in some form or other.  But I'm not sure what other betrayal she could be talking about.  If she somehow thought that Fen'Harel betrayed her .. actually, you know she IS devious enough to continue to be friendly towards Fen'Harel to keep him off guard.  But what would she consider to be a personal betrayal?  If not her murder that is.

 

We need to know exactly what happened.  NEED TO.  But the writers won't tell us b/c Spoilers.  lol

[sandalisthemaker]

It seems clear to me that she is waiting for the Veil to be torn down, and is actively promoting its removal by allowing Solas to have her power, so she can have access to the Evanuris. They're the ones who killed her, who else could she want vengeance on?

 

Hm... that's a good one too.

 

Any theory that still has her alive is a good one in my book.