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They just seemed to refuse to believe he could do it and it started to feel like they were demanding me to prove my theory with facts. I got so unnerved by it, but tried to be polite. One of the members from here came to my defense, but I felt bad and dropped out of the debate.

 

People were just wondering why he was gathering all these elves, so that was my first thought.

 

As drosphila said, it's been discussed here.  I'm not sure why someone would demand facts when we have so few of them.

 

Personally I really hope that theory proves false but it's still a possibility.  Until we know more.



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Since I am of the mind that she isn't gone for good ( I can't accept that yet. I like her way too much ), IMO Solas is now on her bad side.  On the one hand, she could have willingly given (a piece) of her soul to him, but what I got from Solas' apology to her was that he was essentially sacrificing her to achieve his goal- betraying her if you will- just like all the others did.   Maybe I'm misinterpreting her apology to him, but I like to think that she's apologizing for whatever she has planned next. 

 

But that's just me.  

 

And I'm sure this was discussed, but I fully believe that Andraste was a previous host of Mythal, and I would like to believe that Solas was Shartan. Not sure about the latter based on Solas saying he slumbered for ages. Andraste giving the elves the Dales was Mythal's attempt to help the elves in the past. 

 

I think a theory is that she let him do take her power because their goals are intertwined. If he tears down the Veil, she can get to the Evanuris and exact her revenge. Basically the idea is that they're on the same trajectory with different reasons. 

 

That theory mostly is based on an idea that Mythal is just using Solas and he doesn't recognize it. It'd be interesting if they were working together all along, though. Maybe she's his "plan" for the Gods! 


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I keep thinking about Flemeth's rant.  How she was betrayed, as the world was betrayed.  How exactly was the world betrayed?  The only thing I can think of is the creation of the Veil which screwed up so much.  But it doesn't fit with her murder unless she doesn't consider her murder to be a betrayal.  I mean, if she was working against the other Evanuris she'd have to expect them to come after her in some form or other.  But I'm not sure what other betrayal she could be talking about.  If she somehow thought that Fen'Harel betrayed her .. actually, you know she IS devious enough to continue to be friendly towards Fen'Harel to keep him off guard.  But what would she consider to be a personal betrayal?  If not her murder that is.

 

We need to know exactly what happened.  NEED TO.  But the writers won't tell us b/c Spoilers.  lol

 

Well, she helps the Warden end the blight, right?  The Evanuris likely cause the Blight from the Black City as their own form of vengeance for being locked away. 

 

Flemythal knows this so she plays her part in helping stop the 5th Blight. 

 

 

And if Solas creating the Veil is indeed what she is referring to when she said "the world was betrayed," then that's more reason for him to be on her **** list. 


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The only reason why I don't think Solas would use blood magic is because he said in the game that it makes being in the fade more difficult, or the connection isn't as strong, something like that.  I don't have a particularly strong opinion on it either way.  He uses clever phrasing and lying by omitting, so you can't always take what he's saying as the implicated meaning. 

 

Also for every nugget of truth we seem to get in DAI there's also 20+ more mysteries introduced.  I don't think we're ever going to run out of things to analyze or theories to come up with.  My brain has been so over loaded since Trespasser.  Still way more questions than answers.  It's pretty great actually.



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I keep thinking about Flemeth's rant.  How she was betrayed, as the world was betrayed.  How exactly was the world betrayed?  The only thing I can think of is the creation of the Veil which screwed up so much.  But it doesn't fit with her murder unless she doesn't consider her murder to be a betrayal.  I mean, if she was working against the other Evanuris she'd have to expect them to come after her in some form or other.  But I'm not sure what other betrayal she could be talking about.  If she somehow thought that Fen'Harel betrayed her .. actually, you know she IS devious enough to continue to be friendly towards Fen'Harel to keep him off guard.  But what would she consider to be a personal betrayal?  If not her murder that is.

 

We need to know exactly what happened.  NEED TO.  But the writers won't tell us b/c Spoilers.  lol

I think by the world being betrayed she means the release of the Blight/the taint upon it.

 

Even if what Solas did in making the Veil was apocalyptic to the elves, it can be reversed and potentially people will survive. Whereas with the Blight/the taint it is a cancer that consumes every living thing that touches it, and is irreversible, as far as we know.

 

Also, from what little Solas has said on the matter, I think whoever struck the killing blow on Mythal was someone they both trusted deeply, but also had the power to get the job done. My money is on Dirthamen.



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Done drabble in response to a one-word prompt, "Storm" [not happy fic, don't read if you don't want that hahaha]

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So, random thing.....

 

....I just started a new DA:O playthrough to romance Zevran. For science.

 

Anyway, I'm playing a mage and I totally forgot that there are spirit wolves attacking you in the Harrowing.....

 

.....I know it probably doesn't have anything to do with Solas.

 

But wolves.

 

Spirit. Wolves.


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Since I am of the mind that she isn't gone for good ( I can't accept that yet. I like her way too much ), IMO Solas is now on her bad side.  On the one hand, she could have willingly given (a piece) of her soul to him, but what I got from Solas' apology to her was that he was essentially sacrificing her to achieve his goal- betraying her if you will- just like all the others did.   Maybe I'm misinterpreting her apology to him, but I like to think that she's apologizing for whatever she has planned next. 

 

But that's just me.  

 

And I'm sure this was discussed, but I fully believe that Andraste was a previous host of Mythal, and I would like to believe that Solas was Shartan. Not sure about the latter based on Solas saying he slumbered for ages. Andraste giving the elves the Dales was Mythal's attempt to help the elves in the past. 

 

Given the time frame, it's doubtful that Solas is Shartan.  If Solas went to sleep after the creation of the Veil ... err ok I tried to access the Virdirthan timeline but it said the wiki had expired.  So, poo.  But from a rough guesstimate, the Veil was probably created maybe 3,000 years prior?  Going from the DA wiki timeline, humans started exploring Thedas in -3100 Ancient, Tevinter was founded in -1195 Ancient.  Somewhere in there the Veil was created.  And Solas was asleep for the entire time until a year before Inquisition.

 

Andraste may have been a previous host of Mythal though.



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The only reason why I don't think Solas would use blood magic is because he said in the game that it makes being in the fade more difficult, or the connection isn't as strong, something like that.  I don't have a particularly strong opinion on it either way.  He uses clever phrasing and lying by omitting, so you can't always take what he's saying as the implicated meaning.

 

I do wonder how that works out with how the magisters needed a massive blood sacrifice to gain enough power to enter the Fade. Did Solas just mean by dreaming, or...?


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I think a theory is that she let him do take her power because their goals are intertwined. If he tears down the Veil, she can get to the Evanuris and exact her revenge. Basically the idea is that they're on the same trajectory with different reasons. 

 

That theory mostly is based on an idea that Mythal is just using Solas and he doesn't recognize it. It'd be interesting if they were working together all along, though. Maybe she's his "plan" for the Gods! 

 

I really want more interaction between Solas and Flemythal. Preferably one with an awesome twist. There has to be some other important pieces missing. 



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Hm... that's a good one too.

 

Any theory that still has her alive is a good one in my book. 

I believe Mythal's spirit still exists, and will probably move on to Morrigan as its host. So if you are hoping to see Flemeth again, maybe not so much. But, Mythal, I believe, is very much in the world - and will ultimately get what she wants, even if she has to gather a brave band of adventurers to do the dirty work for her.



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I do wonder how that works out with how the magisters needed a massive blood sacrifice to gain enough power to enter the Fade. Did Solas just mean by dreaming, or...?

Also wasn't there a codex when in the Fade that mentioned they were using elves because there's magic in their blood?  Have to wonder if it wasn't blood magic that did it as much as it was the magic in the elves' blood.

 

I wish I had taken a screen shot during that conversation to remember exactly how it was worded.  Phrasing is important when it comes to Solas.  I think it's a pretty early conversation you can have with him in Haven.  It's very possible it was in regards to how it affects his ability to dream in the fade.



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I really want more interaction between Solas and Flemythal. Preferably one with an awesome twist. There has to be some other important pieces missing. 

 

Just imagine how heartbreaking the look on Solas' face would be if it turns out FleMythal betrays him in the end. Screw the romance, seeing that would just ruin me. :P 


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Also wasn't there a codex when in the Fade that mentioned they were using elves because there's magic in their blood?  Have to wonder if it wasn't blood magic that did it as much as it was the magic in the elves' blood.

 

I wish I had taken a screen shot during that conversation to remember exactly how it was worded.  Phrasing is important when it comes to Solas.  I think it's a pretty early conversation you can have with him in Haven.  It's very possible it was in regards to how it affects his ability to dream in the fade.

 

The Magisters used elf sacrifices to enter the Fade. That's what made me worry that Solas might be doing that if he has no other means to enter the Fade now.



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I believe Mythal's spirit still exists, and will probably move on to Morrigan as its host. So if you are hoping to see Flemeth again, maybe not so much. But, Mythal, I believe, is very much in the world - and will ultimately get what she wants, even if she has to gather a brave band of adventurers to do the dirty work for her.

 

.... I still have my fingers crossed for Flemeth  :crying:



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You know, I can see the DA series ending with, Veil is gone, magic is all back, Blight is gone, future looks bright and shiny ... next game set in Thedas, a thousand years into the future and everything is all screwed up again (of course) and all of the things we did in the DA games are stories that have been warped and twisted by time and as players we're sitting here going, "That's not how it happened!" and our characters are going, "Durrr".   lol  =x


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The Magisters used elf sacrifices to enter the Fade. That's what made me worry that Solas might be doing that if he has no other means to enter the Fade now.

I suppose part of that depends on if when he removed the anchor from the Inquisitor he didn't gain its power.  He might not need the anchor at this point with how powerful he is, and having control of the eluvians.  We have no way to quantify how much power Solas possesses in comparison to the Magisters.  Yikes I hope that's not what he is up to.  I can't really see it, mostly I don't want to.  But I have no way of knowing his mindset now, how Mythal's power/essence is affecting him, if it even is at all.



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I remember someone awhile back posted that Solas' quest to "Strengthen the Veil" with elvhen artifacts was actually weakening it as a joke. I am wondering now if that's actually what was happening.. :/ Though I think maybe at the time it *was* actually strengthening the veil because he did not want Corypheus to succeed and the orb was still in play at the time. And Solas never directly lied to the inquisitor. But any thoughts on this?

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Just imagine how heartbreaking the look on Solas' face would be if it turns out FleMythal betrays him in the end. Screw the romance, seeing that would just ruin me. :P

 

Yeah, I want an epic twist to end all twists in regards to those two. 



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I think by the world being betrayed she means the release of the Blight/the taint upon it.

 

Even if what Solas did in making the Veil was apocalyptic to the elves, it can be reversed and potentially people will survive. Whereas with the Blight/the taint it is a cancer that consumes every living thing that touches it, and is irreversible, as far as we know.

 

Also, from what little Solas has said on the matter, I think whoever struck the killing blow on Mythal was someone they both trusted deeply, but also had the power to get the job done. My money is on Dirthamen.

 

Mythal makes a reference to the Sun. Could it be Elgar'nan?

 

 

I suppose part of that depends on if when he removed the anchor from the Inquisitor he didn't gain its power.  He might not need the anchor at this point with how powerful he is, and having control of the eluvians.  We have no way to quantify how much power Solas possesses in comparison to the Magisters.  Yikes I hope that's not what he is up to.  I can't really see it, mostly I don't want to.  But I have no way of knowing his mindset now, how Mythal's power/essence is affecting him, if it even is at all.

 

Cole said the Anchor was at its end. I think it's gone for good.



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I remember someone awhile back posted that Solas' quest to "Strengthen the Veil" with elvhen artifacts was actually weakening it as a joke. I am wondering now if that's actually what was happening.. :/ Though I think maybe at the time it *was* actually strengthening the veil because he did not want Corypheus to succeed and the orb was still in play at the time. And Solas never directly lied to the inquisitor. But any thoughts on this?

I won't be surprised at all if those artifacts did more than just strengthen the Veil.  Maybe they're something that can also help him cross physically into the Fade? 

 

I sometimes feel a bit like a paranoid crazy person expecting everything to have some sort of secret, or hidden meaning.  They could do nothing more than what he says they do.  But I am curious.


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I remember someone awhile back posted that Solas' quest to "Strengthen the Veil" with elvhen artifacts was actually weakening it as a joke. I am wondering now if that's actually what was happening.. :/ Though I think maybe at the time it *was* actually strengthening the veil because he did not want Corypheus to succeed and the orb was still in play at the time. And Solas never directly lied to the inquisitor. But any thoughts on this?

 

It's possible that the artifacts can manipulate the strength of the Veil.  So they can make it stronger but they can also make it weaker.  In that sense, Solas wouldn't have lied to the Inquisitor because the artifacts would truthfully have strengthened the Veil.  He would have just neglected to mention that the artifacts can also weaken it.  But that's just a theory.


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I remember someone awhile back posted that Solas' quest to "Strengthen the Veil" with elvhen artifacts was actually weakening it as a joke.

 

:mellow:

 

I've never heard of that before.

 

That sneaky little egg.

This is now my head canon!!!!!

 

Thank you!!



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I just thought of something. Mythal had statues depicting her as a dragon. What if she was an actual dragon and her blood was used in a sacrifice?


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You know, I can see the DA series ending with, Veil is gone, magic is all back, Blight is gone, future looks bright and shiny ... next game set in Thedas, a thousand years into the future and everything is all screwed up again (of course) and all of the things we did in the DA games are stories that have been warped and twisted by time and as players we're sitting here going, "That's not how it happened!" and our characters are going, "Durrr".   lol  =x

 

Oooor... we can try and explore a different area of Thedas, that is yet to deal with all this Veil-removing thing. Or perhaps some kind of different dimension that was created in the meantime? We have no idea if someone else hasn't meddled with the very fabric of the universe. But we do know that there are different civilizations and strange things "out there".