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About this whole time-travel thing back to Ancient Arlathan to fix his mistakes ... isn't that already canonically impossible? 

 

this codex (http://dragonage.wik...lexius'_Journal) describes that there must be a physical link between the fade and the physical world for time travel, and time travel is only possible during the amount of time the link is/was present. Since a link has not been maintained since the time of Arlathan, it would be impossible. 


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I LOVE FLASHPOINT PARADOX!!!

 

But I usually strongly dislike time travel stories, they give me a headache. Can anything actually change? It's always a big deal to go back in time and accidentally change the future but what if you are meant to do exactly that?

 

Ugh my name is so boring. Just crushing eggs. 

 

like this:

Crushed-Hard-Boiled-Egg-459696.jpg

 

also here's a picture of egg-Solas:

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Mehaha, oh my goodness, and that is why I don't refer to Solas as an egghead. What made you decide on TheEggCrusher, was it a deep rooted anger at Solas?



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Oh, the thing is that if it's anything else than a fly, even if it's a fly but I'm not at work, I just scream when I see it before I even have time to think. 

 

Edit: Top Solas. Do the shemlen seem like flies to you? Image from Solas-an.

 

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That screenshot could serve as an adequate distraction. I should save it.

 

I've got it really bad. See, before the incident that caused it, I used to actually catch and mount ants on slides and look at them and have no issue with flies, etc.

 

I've had to call a friend to be on the phone with me in order to handle some of them. I've had the occasional mild panic attack but not in many years. Even playing games like DAI were bad for me because of the spiders. In Origins and DA2, I mod them.

 



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Ugh my name is so boralso here's a picture of egg-Solas:

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This bothers me so much. His head is clearly an upside-down egg! Arrrgh!  :P

(It's also kinda creepy.)


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I LOVE FLASHPOINT PARADOX!!!

 

But I usually strongly dislike time travel stories, they give me a headache. Can anything actually change? It's always a big deal to go back in time and accidentally change the future but what if you are meant to do exactly that?

 

Mehaha, oh my goodness, and that is why I don't refer to Solas as an egghead. What made you decide on TheEggCrusher, was it a deep rooted anger at Solas?

(my desire to watch him suffer as we, the collective Lavellans, suffered. *queue intense Flemythal voice* I CLAWED AND CRAWLED MY WAY OUT OF THE HELLSPIRAL, AND I DESERVE MY REVENGE)

 

*ahem* I mean ... I just like baking. Lots and lots of baking ... and feeling the shells break in my hands ... I mean baking!! XD 


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If we ever get to time travel.. 'Young Fen'harel with hair' could work:

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That's so awesome! And kind of weird too!! I love learning about things like that, but hate doing it myself (if that makes any sense) ironically, I should be working on Biology as we speak. 

 

That makes a lot of sense. Doing the research is sooo different than learning.

 

 

Here's a question for all of you. Do worlds with magic hamper science's growth? If you think about it, almost all (all?) the scientific researchers we've encountered in DA have been studying magic. Of course there are things like astrariums, but where are the actual telescopes? The healer in Skyhold talked about leaching bad humors if I'm not mistaken.

 

 

But magic is science. It's one type of science in this world with it's own laws and researchers. 

 

I don't think magic is hampering progress, because:

 

1) One field doesn't really hamper another. Like, are biologists hampering physics right now? Nope, the physicists jsut work on their thing while we work on ours. There are so many non-mages in Thedas who could do research if they want to.

 

2) There has been some scientific progress in Thedas in non-magical fields. Like gaatlock, for example. I think what's hampering them are the constant wars and threats to the world, much more than magic.

 

The ancient elves are a special case, in the sense that they were SO dependent on the Fade and magic. But saying that magic hampered them is kind of like claiming we are hampered by the Internet. It has greatly accelerated progress, but if someone shuts it down entirely tomorrow, we'll be taking a major step back. 


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About this whole time-travel thing back to Ancient Arlathan to fix his mistakes ... isn't that already canonically impossible? 

 

this codex (http://dragonage.wik...lexius'_Journal) describes that there must be a physical link between the fade and the physical world for time travel, and time travel is only possible for the amount of time the link is present. Since a link has not been maintained since the time of Arlathan, it would be impossible. 

For Alexius it required a physical link.  Solas is able to turn people to stone just by thinking it.  Not to mention he is a being that existed before the creation of the Veil, and he is the Veil's creator.  He could be capable of almost anything.  I know he didn't think time magic was possible until he saw it during In Hushed Whispers.  There's more to his plan than just taking down the Veil.  Maybe Solas himself is a physical link to the time of Arlathan since he is from that time?

By saying that I think his plan involves going back in time so that he never created the Veil in the first place, that doesn't mean I think he's going to pull it off.  It just felt a bit like Chekhov's gun to introduce time magic to the series and have it only be for one quest if you side with the mages.  Also fit for me a bit that In Hushed Whispers was like foreshadowing in a way.  A world gone to chaos that shouldn't exist and needing to undo it.  It's just an idea is all.  I don't know how plausible it is. 


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Ugh my name is so boring. Just crushing eggs. 

 

like this:

Crushed-Hard-Boiled-Egg-459696.jpg

 

Well, mine is just based on my name, though I originally had one based on my love of playing rogues. I felt this was better and simpler.
 



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For Alexius it required a physical link.  Solas is able to turn people to stone just by thinking it.  Not to mention he is a being that existed before the creation of the Veil, and he is the Veil's creator.  He could be capable of almost anything.  I know he didn't think time magic was possible until he saw it during In Hushed Whispers.  There's more to his plan than just taking down the Veil.  Maybe Solas himself is a physical link to the time of Arlathan since he is from that time?

By saying that I think his plan involves going back in time so that he never created the Veil in the first place, that doesn't mean I think he's going to pull it off.  It just felt a bit like Chekhov's gun to introduce time magic to the series and have it only be for one quest if you side with the mages.  Also fit for me a bit that In Hushed Whispers was like foreshadowing in a way.  A world gone to chaos that shouldn't exist and needing to undo it.  It's just an idea is all.  I don't know how plausible it is. 

 

 

As I've said before, I felt like introducing time magic with such specific and condition-dependent limitations was an effort to nip that course in the bud outside that particular mission.

 

I was actually grateful they seemed to shut the door because time travel plotlines can quickly become silly and unwieldy, and a lazy solution to everything.



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As I've said before, I felt like introducing time magic with such specific and condition-dependent limitations was an effort to nip that course in the bud outside that particular mission.

 

I was actually grateful they seemed to shut the door because time travel plotlines can quickly become silly and unwieldy, and a lazy solution to everything.

that's what I believe the purpose of that codex was, too. 

 

also, time travel is almost never used in mainstream stories for a reason: it is almost impossible to pull off. They only did a small part of the story based off time travel for this reason, probably.  


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That screenshot could serve as an adequate distraction. I should save it.

 

I've got it really bad. See, before the incident that caused it, I used to actually catch and mount ants on slides and look at them and have no issue with flies, etc.

 

I've had to call a friend to be on the phone with me in order to handle some of them. I've had the occasional mild panic attack but not in many years. Even playing games like DAI were bad for me because of the spiders. In Origins and DA2, I mod them.

 

Sorry you had to go through this :(

 

I'm actually not afraid of spiders. Just insects. I know it's strange, but somehow insects trigger something in me that spiders don't. And I have no idea why I'm afraid of them, I've just been for as long as I can remember. 

 

(As I'm typing this I'm thinking of giant beetles and it makes me shiver...)



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If we ever get to time travel.. 'Young Fen'harel with hair' could work:

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Seriously my favorite picture of Solas done in "young"/concept art style. I just love the profile and the look in his eyes.


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About this whole time-travel thing back to Ancient Arlathan to fix his mistakes ... isn't that already canonically impossible? 

 

this codex (http://dragonage.wik...lexius'_Journal) describes that there must be a physical link between the fade and the physical world for time travel, and time travel is only possible during the amount of time the link is/was present. Since a link has not been maintained since the time of Arlathan, it would be impossible. 

 

To be fair, Alexius was struggling with magic he barely understood, and only had a year to find an answer (with immense pressure not to fail).

 

The Orb is Fen'Harel's, and Solas is Fen'Harel. If anyone knows how to use this Orb/Anchor/Breach magic for such ends, he would. He's also spent untold millennia exploring the Fade and learning ancient magics that Alexius could barely dream of. (Most of Tevinter just knows "Blood magic!" and "Demon-summon!") If anyone knew a way...



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As I've said before, I felt like introducing time magic with such specific and condition-dependent limitations was an effort to nip that course in the bud outside that particular mission.

 

I was actually grateful they seemed to shut the door because time travel plotlines can quickly become silly and unwieldy, and a lazy solution to everything.

I agree, they can be.  Almost every time that it was brought into something I've hated it.  When it happened during In Hushed Whispers I actually braced myself for getting mad for time travel as a plot device.  But they handled it well.

 

I don't think if that turned out to be part of his plan that we'd actually be going back in time.  Just that there's a smidge of a possibility that is part of his plan.  That's all.  It's one hell of a way to undo a bad mistake.  I don't want a back in time story line, lol.



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Seriously my favorite picture of Solas done in "young"/concept art style. I just love the profile and the look in his eyes.

 

It's actually closely based on original concept art for character. You can see the headshot over here (on the left page, with the skull above forehead) > http://vignette4.wik...=20141215032757



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Seriously my favorite picture of Solas done in "young"/concept art style. I just love the profile and the look in his eyes.

 

I know right.. :blush:. The eyebrows and eyes..



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that's what I believe the purpose of that codex was, too. 

 

also, time travel is almost never used in mainstream stories for a reason: they are almost impossible to pull off. They only did a small part of the story based off time travel for this reason, probably.  

I approve! Though I have to say continuum is handling it very well so far. :)



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It's actually closely based on original concept art for character. You can see the headshot over here (on the left page, with the skull above forehead) > http://vignette4.wik...=20141215032757

 

The image is tiny (I know it's annoying when pictures decide to downsize, seems to happen with wiki links), here's a bigger version:

 

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That makes a lot of sense. Doing the research is sooo different than learning.

 
 

 

But magic is science. It's one type of science in this world with it's own laws and researchers. 

 

I don't think magic is hampering progress, because:

 

1) One field doesn't really hamper another. Like, are biologists hampering physics right now? Nope, the physicists jsut work on their thing while we work on ours. There are so many non-mages in Thedas who could do research if they want to.

 

2) There has been some scientific progress in Thedas in non-magical fields. Like gaatlock, for example. I think what's hampering them are the constant wars and threats to the world, much more than magic.

 

The ancient elves are a special case, in the sense that they were SO dependent on the Fade and magic. But saying that magic hampered them is kind of like claiming we are hampered by the Internet. It has greatly accelerated progress, but if someone shuts it down entirely tomorrow, we'll be taking a major step back. 

Ah, but to counter argue with you my friend, the more "interesting" sciences will get more funding/attention. 

And in DA specifically I'll bring up the non mage healer again. When you have mages and their healing magic at your disposal why learn how to heal/how the body works yourself?

If you had the Eluvians why would you need to build learn to build ships that can cross seas?

If you have alchemy why ever bother to learn chemistry?

And other than the astrariums have Thedasians looked starward at all? To other continents? To cells and human anatomy? Or even the ecosystem?

They look at the Fade and the Veil and wonder all about that, but what about everthing else?

And I will also bring up the very sound research of Harry Potter. Those friggin' wizards no shite about modern technology.



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Sorry you had to go through this :(

 

The funny thing is...this was all caused by a termite infestation as a kid. It just made me phobic of everything bug-related.  :lol: It's not the worst thing I've dealt with, but it's a lingering thing because exposure is really what helps and I'm not lining up for that.  :P

 

 

Seriously my favorite picture of Solas done in "young"/concept art style. I just love the profile and the look in his eyes.

 

I'm just so not into that look. It doesn't even feel in character (even for "Fen'Harel", especially after Trespasser). I'm glad they dropped it.


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If we ever get to time travel.. 'Young Fen'harel with hair' could work:

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I could live with this.

 

His current design is perfect for his character.

 

But still...  :wub:


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It doesn't even feel in character (even for "Fen'Harel", especially after Trespasser).

 

I get this, every time I see him with hair I still can't really see him.

 

Still looks nice though, if I imagine it as someone younger.



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I approve! Though I have to say continuum is handling it very well so far. :)

I didn't know what continuum was until I looked it up (looks interesting :P) but yeah, it does work occasionally, but great care and detailing must be put in to make it appear logical. 

 

It would take a huge amount of time and random added-on plot devices and lore to make time travel all the way back to Arlathan make sense, especially when they put Alexius's Journal codex up that hints at how difficult it is. 

 

I think they would spend more time on the story rather than trying to make the illogical seem logical. 


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I'm just so not into that look. It doesn't even feel in character (even for "Fen'Harel", especially after Trespasser). I'm glad they dropped it.

 

I got to admit, it's the kind of look I'd actually accept for young "hot-blooded and cocky" Fen'Harel... And I said it about him once, that he might have had sort of a rockstar status among elvhen populace once - and that image fits it quite perfectly :D


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