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[Cee]

Why when someone modded him with hair, did they also give him super thick, dramatic eyebrows?

[TheEggCrusher]

Why when someone modded him with hair, did they also give him super thick, dramatic eyebrows?

lol that's the "Spock" mod. It only really seems to look good with that other hair mod, however. He looks super creepy imo otherwise =3= 

 

edit: here's a link (http://www.nexusmods...tion/mods/679/?) 

[Cee]

Funny enough, I had pretty much the opposite reaction to how he talked to Lavellan! To me, it sounded like he was trying so hard to keep his cool. Trying desperately to steel himself to what he has to do in the face of her. Then again, I was really influenced by his facial expressions during that scene too which conveyed all of that to me.  I really enjoyed it and thought it was a powerful next (and hopefully not final) step to their relationship! 

 

I'm sorry you didn't enjoy it too, but that's understandable! It was a lot of really bad vibes to take in in one scene.

 

I had the same experience. He's in a lot of pain, his posture begins confident but his body language after that...downcast eyes, lowered head at times, depending on your responses. His voice acting, especially if romanced and the "And now you know...".

 

 

He's very clearly conflicted, sad, regretful, resigned.

[Cee]

lol that's the "Spock" mod. It only really seems to look good with that other hair mod, however. He looks super creepy imo otherwise =3= 

 

It's not AS bad as the Tharanduil mod, but my god, the brows.

[Sifr]

 

Uh, I hope not (and I doubt it) I want to hate Anders in peace, without thinking he was some hapless victim of a larger plot. What benefit would Solas have gotten out of blowing up the Chantry? Plus, acts of terrorism seem very unSolas-y.

...

Destroying the world isn't an act of terrorism. 

 

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While Solas doesn't seem to like the mindless chaos of the Mage-Templar conflict, one possible motivation he might have had for getting involved (or at least have his agents work to get the ball rolling) is because he's a firm believer in self-determination and freedom, both things that the mages lack under the thumb of both the Chantry and the Circle.

 

Besides, Solas explicitly states that he's not got clean hands and has done terrible things before if he felt it was necessary.

[NeverlandHunter]

I think there's a lot more non-magical science research going on that is not emphasized in the game. 

 

We get to hear about the secrets of magic because of the fantasy genre. 

 

But they are doing a lot more than that:

1) Take weaponry. From swords to trebuchets, they want to be making better weapons, and to do that they will need to know physics. To know how to handle silverite vs dawnstone, they will need to know chemistry. 

2) You need to build bridges, fortresses and buildings. That requires physics.

3) Creature research table? Biology.

4) There are people actively studying dragon nesting/hunting patterns. So again, biology. 

 

So there are already plenty of active non-magical sceintific activity and there is the incentive to pursue these fields woven in this world. 

I hope there's a lot more *.* I want a "People for the Betterment of Science and the Preservation of Knowledge" group. They have to stay underground because of the Chantry and some of their more radical members preform morally grey research and they want to map the stars and try to get funding to have have an expedition to discover new lands!!

SCIENCE!!

Lol. There's just something I love about crazy scientist and researcher types and I would love to see a group that rejects magic in favor of more "practical studies" as they would put it. 

 

It's way too late. I think my bug friend went  to sleep.

[Eivuwan]

I just don't understand how he could

 

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say that he loves Lavellan when he's going to let her die in a few years because of his plan. You protect the ones you love, not destroy them. I think he simply loves the original elves more and his feelings for Lavellan are miniscule compared to how he feels for his "people."

[NeverlandHunter]

Spoiler

While Solas doesn't seem to like the mindless chaos of the Mage-Templar conflict, one possible motivation he might have had for getting involved (or at least have his agents work to get the ball rolling) is because he's a firm believer in self-determination and freedom, both things that the mages lack under the thumb of both the Chantry and the Circle.

 

Besides, Solas explicitly states that he's not got clean hands and has done terrible things before if he felt it was necessary.

Yeah, but an act of terror? What Anders did was kill a lot of people to excite panic and force a reaction out of the lax. 

Solas wants people to die in relative comfort, so why cause that kind of panic? And why Kirkwall and the mages? He might feel for the mages but there's a whole Tevinter full of slaves up north.

[drosophila]

I hope there's a lot more *.* I want a "People for the Betterment of Science and the Preservation of Knowledge" group. They have to stay underground because of the Chantry and some of their more radical members preform morally grey research and they want to map the stars and try to get funding to have have an expedition to discover new lands!!

SCIENCE!!

Lol. There's just something I love about crazy scientist and researcher types and I would love to see a group that rejects magic in favor of more "practical studies" as they would put it. 

 

It's way too late. I think my bug friend went  to sleep.

 

See, I've been thinking: If Solas and 'his people' whereever they are right now gave up on the Veil and instead focused on vanilla science, they would be able to rebuild their empire. Immortality + intelligence + potentially being able to get some of the answers straight from dreams in the Fade will enable them to make a lot of scientific progress. We don't have magic but we've built some pretty incredible things. That Fade library: just invent the internet instead and you don't need a fade library. It won't be a perfect solution, but it's much better than destroying the world.

 

Disclaimer that there might be other factors we still don't know about, of course. 

[NeverlandHunter]

I just don't understand how he could

 

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say that he loves Lavellan when he's going to let her die in a few years because of his plan. You protect the ones you love, not destroy them. I think he simply loves the original elves more and his feelings for Lavellan are miniscule compared to how he feels for his "people."

You don't have to spoiler tag if you don't want we stopped...yesterday, two days ago, more (too much time on BSN)? I forget, but we stopped and there is a warning on the thread's title.

 

Not loving you enough, that's a hard thing to think about, but however misguided Solas may be he thinks what he is doing is for the greater good (of his people). 

[midnight tea]

I just don't understand how he could

 

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say that he loves Lavellan when he's going to let her die in a few years because of his plan. You protect the ones you love, not destroy them. I think he simply loves the original elves more and his feelings for Lavellan are miniscule compared to how he feels for his "people."

 

I don't really see it that way. In fact, as much as I want to see him either drop or change his plan, I don't think I want him to sacrifice everything for the woman he loves. That's just... selfish. 

 

For all we know, he does what he tries for the betterment of his people, who he feels he either wronged (even if his initial plan of putting the Veil up has saved them all from whatever Evanuris were doing) or there's no other way of saving them.

 

So it can't just be all Lavellan > "his people"/everything else.

 

It's a bit more complicated than that, even if their love eventually may play an important role in him changing his plans, or whatever they have in store for him on a road for possible redemption. But it can't be all there is, just like there can't be all there is to death of Mythal and him acting against Evanuris to avenge her, rather than because he thought it was right, and carried the burden of doing the dirty work.

 

In any case - if he sacrificed everything for Lavellan... I don't think mine would want it. Or could live with it.

[FernRain]

There's just something I love about crazy scientist and researcher types and I would love to see a group that rejects magic in favor of more "practical studies" as they would put it.

 

You would get on well with Ghilan'nain then .

 

I wanna see some creepy fan art of her since the Trespasser revelations.

[Catfishers]

I just don't understand how he could

 

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say that he loves Lavellan when he's going to let her die in a few years because of his plan. You protect the ones you love, not destroy them. I think he simply loves the original elves more and his feelings for Lavellan are miniscule compared to how he feels for his "people."

 

Don't forget, dude has a serious guilt complex. It's not that he loves his people more than her (if those forms of love are even truly comparable), it's that he owes it to them to fix what he has done. His people were destroyed by his own hand, he can't just put his own desires above their lives, their lost futures, and their sacrifices. As I've said before, it's not necessarily that wants to do this, it's that he feels he owes it to everyone who died or suffered because of what he did. This is about him atoning for his mistake and making it 'right'.

 

With that mentality, giving up your mission because you'd found love would seem incredibly selfish. No matter how much he loves her, he can't put his own feelings, or her life, above the lives of all of his people.

[RynJ]

I just don't understand how he could

 

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say that he loves Lavellan when he's going to let her die in a few years because of his plan. You protect the ones you love, not destroy them. I think he simply loves the original elves more and his feelings for Lavellan are miniscule compared to how he feels for his "people."

 

True but consider everything that has happened to Solas. He's sacrificed everything trying to help The People, and all he did was destroy them (in his eyes). All of those who knows how many years of fighting alongside and freeing people, only to wake up in a wrecked, broken world of his creation. He's been spending all this time trying to restore people he dedicated himself to, so swaying him from that path is an enormous feat.

 

The fact that Lavellan, someone he has known in a comparatively teeny tiny amount of time and that he didn't even consider a fricking person at first, has gotten him THIS conflicted about his plan says volumes about how much he cares about her. Heck, he was considering just telling her everything and letting go back in the base game scene. At this point, he's made a choice to not betray his people (again, in his view) and he's trying desperately to steel himself to it. But still he's struggling not to falter in Lavellan's presence.

 

Besides, the game's not over yet. I have no doubt that Lavellan (and every Inquisitor who formed a friendship with him) will be able to get through to him and help change his mind in some capacity. And when that time comes, I personally hope that Solas changes his mind due to more than just his love for Lavellan anyways. He needs to understand that the modern world is worth saving, and not just for the one person he managed to make a genuine connection with.

[Cee]

Put Solas on the internet. Give him hope again.

 

Are you listening, BW writers?

 

Though now I'm thinking back to that "All my friends are in the Fade" shopped image was it....Carrie? made.

[Sifr]

Yeah, but an act of terror? What Anders did was kill a lot of people to excite panic and force a reaction out of the lax. 

Solas wants people to die in relative comfort, so why cause that kind of panic? And why Kirkwall and the mages? He might feel for the mages but there's a whole Tevinter full of slaves up north.

 

True, but let's not forget that Solas knew what Corypheus was planning and was willing to stand by and let hundreds of people die at the Conclave, simply so he could swoop in and collect the Orb after Corypheus unlocked it.

 

Sure, he couldn't exactly warn them, nor probably take on Corypheus in his weakened state, but he still let it happen because it served his goals.

[NeverlandHunter]

See, I've been thinking: If Solas and 'his people' whereever they are right now gave up on the Veil and instead focused on vanilla science, they would be able to rebuild their empire. Immortality + intelligence + potentially being able to get some of the answers straight from dreams in the Fade will enable them to make a lot of scientific progress. We don't have magic but we've built some pretty incredible things. That Fade library: just invent the internet instead and you don't need a fade library. It won't be a perfect solution, but it's much better than destroying the world.

 

Disclaimer that there might be other factors we still don't know about, of course. 

*Solas about to tear down the Veil*

Lavellan: Wait, Solas! Wait!!

Solas: Vhenan it is too late I...what is that?

*Pushes laptop into his hands*

~6 hours later~

Solas: What is this marvelous invention?

Lavellan: It is called the Internet. With it, you can do anyhing!

*Facebook notification sounds*

Solas: What is that!?

Lavellan: You just got a friend request from Flemythal!

[Jaderail]

I just don't understand how he could

 

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say that he loves Lavellan when he's going to let her die in a few years because of his plan. You protect the ones you love, not destroy them. I think he simply loves the original elves more and his feelings for Lavellan are miniscule compared to how he feels for his "people."

 

I suspect you're right in a way. He's torn between two indescribably difficult decisions. I guess he's appealing to his Spock sense with the needs of the many outweigh the needs of the few, he's trying to restore an entire population of people, and probably feels its selfish of him *not* to do it just for one person.

 

That hits me right in the feels as much as the next Solasmancer, but in a way I kind of admire that level on conviction/determination. He made a mistake, screwed his own people over, and to just forget about that problem because he fell in love is a bit selfish.

 

However, the story isn't over quite yet. I hope that maybe we can help Solas find another way. 

 

Edit:

 

Ahhh! Top! How did this happen?

 

*shuffles through Solas art*

 

 

(source: http://purple-meow.d...-end-559288051)

[drosophila]

I just don't understand how he could

 

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say that he loves Lavellan when he's going to let her die in a few years because of his plan. You protect the ones you love, not destroy them. I think he simply loves the original elves more and his feelings for Lavellan are miniscule compared to how he feels for his "people."

 

I think it might be several things. One is duty, he made a mistake that cost a lot to his people before he met Lavellan. He feels he must fix that mistake. 

 

Second is, he probably sees her and thinks all the time about the life they could've had if only he had not caused the destruction of the ancient elves. The way he sees it now, she is this incredible person who is dear to him, but his actions have condemned her to living in a terrible world. But if he restores the elven people, someone, someday might have what he and Lavellan can't. 

 

Those are just my guesses. I hope they make sense. I'm literally falling asleep and drooling on my keyboard, but the discussions tonight are so interesting. 

[NeverlandHunter]

I don't really see it that way. In fact, as much as I want to see him either drop or change his plan, I don't think I want him to sacrifice everything for the woman he loves. That's just... selfish. 

 

For all we know, he does what he tries for the betterment of his people, who he feels he either wronged (even if his initial plan of putting the Veil up has saved them all from whatever Evanuris were doing) or there's no other way of saving them.

 

So it can't just be all Lavellan > "his people"/everything else.

 

It's a bit more complicated than that, even if their love eventually may play an important factor in him changing his plans, or whatever they have in store for him on a road for possible redemption. But it can't be all there is, just like there can't be all there is to death of Mythal and him acting against Evanuris to avenge her, rather than because he thought it was right, and carried the burden of doing the dirty work.

 

In any case - if he sacrificed everything for Lavellan... I don't think mine would want it. Or could live with it.

Well he can definitely sacrifice his stupid fluffing plan for her.

[drosophila]

*Solas about to tear down the Veil*

Lavellan: Wait, Solas! Wait!!

Solas: Vhenan it is too late I...what is that?

*Pushes laptop into his hands*

~6 hours later~

Solas: What is this marvelous invention?

Lavellan: It is called the Internet. With it, you can do anyhing!

*Facebook notification sounds*

Solas: What is that!?

Lavellan: You just got a friend request from Flemythal!

 

Fadebook

[Cee]

No, wait, it was Rabbit http://forum.bioware...8#entry18781139

 

Spoiler

 

[NeverlandHunter]

True, but let's not forget that Solas knew what Corypheus was planning and was willing to stand by and let hundreds of people die at the Conclave, simply so he could swoop in and collect the Orb after Corypheus unlocked it.

 

Sure, he couldn't exactly warn them, nor probably take on Corypheus in his weakened state, but he still let it happen because it served his goals.

Yeah, but right after that he was going to walk into the Fade and take down the Veil. The people wouldn't have been suffering long.

[TheEggCrusher]

Besides, the game's not over yet. I have no doubt that Lavellan (and every Inquisitor who formed a friendship with him) will be able to get through to him and change his mind in some capacity.

I wholeheartedly agree. Bioware wouldn't provide a choice to try and redeem him unless they plan for that to actually be (at least partially) possible to be accomplished in a later game, if not the next (though i'm pretty sure the next). 

 

Don't forget, dude has a serious guilt complex. It's not that he loves his people more than her (if those forms of love are even truly comparable), it's that he owes it to them to fix what he has done. His people were destroyed by his own hand, he can't just put his own desires above their lives, their lost futures, and their sacrifices. As I've said before, it's not necessarily that wants to do this, it's that he feels he owes it to everyone who died or suffered because of what he did. This is about him atoning for his mistake and making it 'right'.

 

With that mentality, giving up your mission because you'd found love would seem incredibly selfish. No matter how much he loves her, he can't put his own feelings, or her life, above the lives of all of his people.

I see Solas as a character of ironic tragedy. He's wise, yet proud. He's kind, yet cruel. There is no simple definition to his character, since parts of him are so contradictory and different. 

 

For pride, he wants to bring back what was. For wisdom, he wants to redeem the world of its sadness and ignorance (through force by collapsing the veil). For kindness, he wants to save the people he wronged. For cruelty, he wants to avenge his friend (Mythal) and his people, and whatever gets in his way must burn.

 

He's extremely complicated, and you can easily hate his character if you don't look at all sides. 

[Cee]

It's nearly 4 am and I am actually getting semi-fluff scraps in my head. Nope, sleep. Sleeeep, Chris, sleep.