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[midnight tea]

Well he can definitely sacrifice his stupid fluffing plan for her.

 

Not if it turns out that there's indeed very little choice.

 

Like - what if Lavellan and elves are doomed anyway unless something changes for them, because of either Blight, or changes to the Veil or disappearance of magic which which the elves are still intrinsically connected with?

 

What then? Will he just settle with Lavellan only to watch her wither and die?

 

I'd like to think that eventually there will be an option uncovered that will give everyone more chance for survival and change the world for the better, but for now, Solas thinks he has no choice. And considering to what great lengths they've established him as intelligent and analytical, I don't think his plan is just plain "stupid". More like, there's still a lot we don't yet know.

[RynJ]

I wholeheartedly agree. Bioware wouldn't provide a choice to try and redeem him unless they plan for that to actually be (at least partially) possible to be accomplished in a later game, if not the next (though i'm pretty sure the next). 

 

I see Solas as a character of ironic tragedy. He's wise, yet proud. He's kind, yet cruel. There is no simple definition to his character, since parts of him are so contradictory and different. 

 

For pride, he wants to bring back what was. For wisdom, he wants to redeem the world of its sadness and ignorance (through force by collapsing the veil). For kindness, he wants to save the people he wronged. For cruelty, he wants to avenge his friend (Mythal) and his people, and whatever gets in his way must burn.

 

He's extremely complicated, and you can easily hate his character if you don't look at all sides. 

 

Who could hate that? Characters with so many seemingly conflicting traits mixed into a successful and understandable whole are just the best. Just the absolute best. Layers, layers, layers! Well, that's my opinion anyways. 

[Eivuwan]

Hmm, I think I didn't word my thoughts clearly. It's not giving up his "people" just for Lavellan. It's just clear that he thinks his people are more important or he loves them more than he loves the modern people including all of his friends in the inquisition. I mean he can go in circles with this. He wants to restore the veil because he feels bad for destroying the culture and imortality or whatever of the ancient elves. Then is he going to feel guilty later on for destroying the modern elves as well as all the other modern people? What's he going to do about that? Basically to Solas, the well-being of the ancient elves is greater than anything and that really annoys me.

[Cee]

One more thing before I go. I forgot to check for this comparison myself, but -

 

http://courtneysuper...roads-for-elves

 

The Crossroads as an elf vs non-elf.

[FrankWisdom]

Funny enough, I had pretty much the opposite reaction to how he talked to Lavellan! To me, it sounded like he was trying so hard to keep his cool. Trying desperately to steel himself to what he has to do in the face of her. Then again, I was really influenced by his facial expressions during that scene too which conveyed all of that to me.  I really enjoyed it and thought it was a powerful next (and hopefully not final) step to their relationship! 

 

I'm sorry you didn't enjoy it too, but that's understandable! It was a lot of really bad vibes to take in in one scene.

 

If it helps, Patrick Weekes confirmed on Twitter that Solas looks particularly angry during the romanced Lavellan interaction because he's hurting.

 

80% of human communication is made through body language, at least, that was before social media, now 80% of communication is made through...

 

emoticons ... .... ...  

[RynJ]

Hmm, I think I didn't word my thoughts clearly. It's not giving up his "people" just for Lavellan. It's just clear that he thinks his people are more important or he loves them more than he loves the modern people including all of his friends in the inquisition. I mean he can go in circles with this. He wants to restore the veil because he feels bad for destroying the culture and imortality or whatever of the ancient elves. Then is he going to feel guilty later on for destroying the modern elves as well as all the other modern people? What's he going to do about that? Basically to Solas, the well-being of the ancient elves is greater than anything and that really annoys me.

 

He is indeed. If he goes through with his plan, he'll still suffer immensely. I think he knows that very well, and I think he wants it too. That's what's so depressing about the whole thing.

 

And he does love his people more than modern people, as of now. Why wouldn't he? But he's been swayed a lot, and ultimately will be able to be swayed away possibly entirely. I'm confident about that.  

[midnight tea]

Hmm, I think I didn't word my thoughts clearly. It's not giving up his "people" just for Lavellan. It's just clear that he thinks his people are more important or he loves them more than he loves the modern people including all of his friends in the inquisition. I mean he can go in circles with this. He wants to restore the veil because he feels bad for destroying the culture and imortality or whatever of the ancient elves. Then is he going to feel guilty later on for destroying the modern elves as well as all the other modern people? What's he going to do about that? Basically to Solas, the well-being of the ancient elves is greater than anything and that really annoys me.

 

It's rather obvious that whatever Solas is planning to do, he thinks it will cost him dearly. He said it many times - he will pay the price. Whatever fate awaits him, it will be one he doesn't wish even on his enemy.

 

In any case - unless there would be a way for him to truly redeem himself, I can't see him being free of guilt no matter if he saves the elves or modern elves/world. That's the tragedy of this character. He's not going to find happiness either way.

[TheEggCrusher]

80% of human communication is made through body language, at least, that was before social media, now 80% of communication is made through...

 

emoticons ... .... ...

Solas: "I must destroy the world ... LOL IDGAF          gtg cause #WorldDomination" 

[panamakira]

http://sihaofskyhold...ing-solas-hmmmm

 

 

Solas: … There’s something lacking…
Solas: Hmmmm…
Solas: Ah, I know!
*Solas adds lines to show his beautiful butt*
Solas: There. My posterity is complete.

 

 

Dying!

[Sifr]

Yeah, but right after that he was going to walk into the Fade and take down the Veil. The people wouldn't have been suffering long.

 

That's a good point, now I think about it.

 

Actually, it makes me wonder if the Breach was even supposed to happen? Solas seems to imply that he believed the explosion would kill Corypheus, allowing him to swoop in and get the Anchor from the Orb.... but we got the Anchor before the explosion occured.

 

Maybe Corypheus' attempt to jailbreak the Orb, our intrusion and the Orb flying around the room before we picked it up, caused the magic to spiral out of control and create the Breach, meaning Corypheus might have been a tad right that we did sort of "spoil it with our stumbling!"

 

[Eivuwan]

It's rather obvious that whatever Solas is planning to do, he thinks it will cost him dearly. He said it many times - he will pay the price. Whatever fate awaits him, it will be one he doesn't wish even on his enemy.

 

In any case - unless there would be a way for him to truly redeem himself, I can't see him being free of guilt no matter if he saves the elves or modern elves/world. That's the tragedy of this character. He's not going to find happiness either way.

 

That's true. There's also the part that he's being a hypocrite and doesn't even seem to realize it. He hated the Evanuris for toying with people's lives and talks about how power corrupts, but now he is unilaterally deciding the fate of millions of people. Anyway, I get that he's a complex character, but right now I just want to punch him in the face lol.

[RynJ]

Dying!

 

Not going to lie, I was judging Solas so hard for that self portrait. 

 

Anyways, good night my good Solas people. Unfortunately I'll probably miss the page 5000 extravaganza but here's a YAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAY in advance! So proud of how this thread has chugged along for all this time.     

[Brass_Buckles]

Was just thinking, not for the first time:  What if it was a really bad decision to let Solas murder the mages in All New, Faded for Her?

 

I mean what if we can't even convince him for the redemption path if we let him do that?

 

It is... concerning...

[TheEggCrusher]

Not going to lie, I was judging Solas so hard for that self portrait. 

He seems to really think highly of himself ... I mean I get other people painting him that way, but painting himself like that is a bit ... narcissistic? 

[NeverlandHunter]

Not if it turns out that there's indeed very little choice.

 

Like - what if Lavellan and elves are doomed anyway unless something changes for them, because of either Blight, or changes to the Veil or disappearance of magic which which the elves are still intrinsically connected with?

 

What then? Will he just settle with Lavellan only to watch her wither and die?

 

I'd like to think that eventually there will be an option uncovered that will give everyone more chance for survival and change the world for the better, but for now, Solas thinks he has no choice. And considering to what great lengths they've established him as intelligent and analytical, I don't think his plan is just plain "stupid". More like, there's still a lot we don't yet know.

As it is now he's willing to kill loads of people for his nostalgia of the Elven kingdom. If he decides that he rather be with Lavellan than do that, I would be completely happy with that outcome.

[NeverlandHunter]

One more thing before I go. I forgot to check for this comparison myself, but -

 

http://courtneysuper...roads-for-elves

 

The Crossroads as an elf vs non-elf.

That is really cool, such a neat little thing that adds so much more to the roleplaying experience.

[Brass_Buckles]

He seems to really think highly of himself ... I mean I get other people painting him that way, but painting himself like that is a bit ... narcissistic? 

 

He was a hotheaded youth convinced he knew everything.

 

But in all honesty I didn't think it was a narcissistic self portrait.  He was painting himself being happy and free.  I don't think he made himself out to be glorious or particularly sexy or anything.  Just... seemed to be happy?

 

Also proud, because his wolf-self in the portrait is pretty clearly part pride demon.  So it's an honest portrait that shows his dark side.

[drosophila]

Solas: "I must destroy the world ... LOL IDGAF          gtg cause #WorldDomination" 

 

Solas ‏@TheRealFen'Harel  8h

Tweeting live from #uthenera, it's good to be in the #fade, suck it @Falon'DinIsBoss

 

Solas ‏@TheRealFen'Harel  108h

@Wisdom, great point, both dragon and the egg come from #spirits, no matter who first.

 

Solas ‏@TheRealFen'Harel  1000000008h

Ir @Abelas, but #evanuris punished, ppl aging, why?

 

Solas ‏@TheRealFen'Harel  100000000000000000000000000000000000000000008h

bored. miss #court_intrigue and #cake

 

Solas ‏@TheRealFen'Harel  10000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000008h

#veil might have been a bad idea

 

Solas ‏@TheRealFen'Harel  10000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000008h

@BestElf progress on #eluvian?

 

Solas ‏@TheRealFen'Harel  10000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000008h

OK, srsly #uthenera sucks.

 

[TheEggCrusher]

 

-snip-

 

No more likes, but           

 

Dying over here oh my god that's beautiful 

 

This should be a thing 

[Blue Gloves]

Maybe Corypheus' attempt to jailbreak the Orb, our intrusion and the Orb flying around the room before we picked it up, caused the magic to spiral out of control and create the Breach, meaning Corypheus might have been a tad right that we did sort of "spoil it with our stumbling!"

 

 

I've always rather thought that Solas knew the explosion was coming- not that he relished it, nor even that he necessarily thought that it would happen at the Conclave.  However he absolutely knew that Corypheus was more powerful than he [Solas] was after his long nap.  He flat out says that he figured on Corypheus being killed by the energies unleashed when the orb was unlocked, and that he was shocked that a Tevinter had figured out "the secret of immortality" (which ties in to another crazy theory about how the Blight, the Tevinter Old Gods, the Elven Pantheon, and how they were locked away; but I digress).  I've always imagined the timeline thusly:

1.  Solas arranges for Corypheus to find out about and acquire the orb.

2.  Solas follows Corypheus and waits for the giant explosion so he can go reclaim the orb, manifest the anchor, enter physically into the Fade, and tear down the Veil.

3.  Solas is a bit put off by the fact that Corypheus' intended blood magic requires the ritual sacrifice of a being whose level of spiritual energy (namely faith) is high due to both her own level of faith and the faith that the whole of Southern Thedas has in her- however, it's not as if this chick is really a person, and neither are the people meeting with her on a mountaintop- so hey, regrettable but acceptable losses.

4.  Cue Inquisitor, who effs things up not only for Corypheus, but also for Solas himself.

5.  Begin events of Inquisition.

[Eivuwan]

As it is now he's willing to kill loads of people for his nostalgia of the Elven kingdom. If he decides that he rather be with Lavellan than do that, I would be completely happy with that outcome.

 

Exactly. People are saying that it would be selfish to give up on your plans for the sake of Lavellan, but I think it's pretty selfish to take unilateral actions that will result in the deaths of millions of people. Honestly, I think his feelings for Mythal are stronger than his feelings for Lavellan. The death of Mythal was the catalyst for him to put up the veil, seal away the Evanuris, and take away the elves' magic and immortality. But Lavellan's life and her love is not enough to sway him from his current plans.

[Blue Gloves]

 

 

Solas ‏@TheRealFen'Harel  10000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000008h

OK, srsly #uthenera sucks.

 

 

 

 

Laughing SO hard right now!  Srsly- that's priceless!

[TheEggCrusher]

Goodbye, ma falons  

 

It's 1 a.m. over here and I think I should sleep. 

 

here's a slightly creepy close-up of Solas's face to stare at while I'm gone XD

 

[Sifr]

He seems to really think highly of himself ... I mean I get other people painting him that way, but painting himself like that is a bit ... narcissistic? 

 

Narcississm does accurately describe the firm belief you can fix everything in the world no matter how many times it blows up in your face... and it doesn't help that the inscription right below the self-portrait claims that he is the one whom "outwits them all".

 

Of course, Solas has matured since then and he freely admits he was a lot more arrogant in his youth.

 

But then, we get those occasional conversations with Varric and Sera where he seems annoyed that they seem to reject what they're "supposed" to be, that shows he does have a bit of a know-nothing-know-it-all streak still in him and can mistake his vast knowledge for actual wisdom.

[TheEggCrusher]

Narcississm does accurately describe the firm belief you can fix everything in the world no matter how many times it blows up in your face... and it doesn't help that the inscription right below the self-portrait claims that he is the one whom "outwits them all".

 

Of course, Solas has matured since then and he freely admits he was a lot more arrogant in his youth.

 

But then, we get those occasional conversations with Varric and Sera where he seems annoyed that they seem to reject what they're "supposed" to be, that he can also be a bit of a know-nothing-know-it-all and mistakes his vast knowledge for actual wisdom.

I remember reading that and becoming extremely p*ssed off. I get he's matured but ... seriously Solas? 

 

Anways, I always knew he thinks he's a pretty smart guy. Hard evidence about that fact is a bit annoying, however.