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[Eurowande]

The more i play the 3 games the more I ( as a player) an willing to let Solas burn Thedas .

I want to level Orlairs with the ground, and put all **** templars in circles guarded by mages.

I guess my Warden is the lucky one , cuz she didnt really saw the ugly part of Thedas this much, and she didnt had time to get into politics till the end . Oh no i dont say it was easy, her family was killed, she still have nightmares cuz of the Fereldian Circle, and im not sure she want to see dwarf noble again in her life, and still she's she lucky one even with the archdeamon  .

My Hawke - she got dragged in every **** conflict in this city , made to dance btw the tempars and the mages and the Qunari , by the end of the game when anders go BOOM , she just wanted to start hitting him on the head yelling - WHY DIDNT YOU TOLD ME? WHY ONLY THE CHANTRY ? By the end of the game my Hawke was sick of everything , she was sick of how elfs was treated, she was sick of the templars , she was sick of the nobles, she was even sick of the Maker, so yeah.... in the end she had only 1 city to care about ...

My Lavellan got the short straw , She got to travel all over Thedas and see all the **** going on first handed , both as mages and as elf , but shes also the only one of my chars that feel responsible for like everyone one else...I think for her sake i need to re-thing her priorities , or she in for a long painful ride ....

[The Oracle]

I won't say I like Solas less, but I have far less respect for him now. I imagine all my Quizzies, romanced or not, being utterly devastated that someone they trusted and respected would stand in front of them and say "this world isn't right and I can only fix it through destruction".

 

Also, the allusions to his choice being the same as the Quizzie's in Redcliffe, it is absolutely not the same. We get ported to a future world where the sky is torn open, demon armies and jebus only knows what ravage the lands, killing thousands. Cities burn. Nations fall. Those lives born would have probably have been conceived before Corypheus's rule and will most likely be snuffed out before their first birthday.People are terrified, spirits are warped and twisted. It's hell, in short. Our Quizzy is given the chance to go back to exactly what it was before. Everything is reset to that past point in time. The year of terror doesn't happen. It never existed save in Dorian and the Quizzies memories.

 

Solas wants to tear down the Veil but he's not reversing time. He's not just resetting the world to exactly as it was before he tore it down. He's not bringing back those lives that were lost after he first created the Veil. He's bringing down the Veil and the people in the current world will just have to suffer through it's destruction, their destruction, until only those ancient elves who still remain and the few living that can adapt are left. It's almost mass extinction, like the meteor that wiped out the dinosaurs except it's not a natural disaster but a chosen one. Like a nuclear bomb. Worse, he's lived and walked among them. he's seen the best and the worst and the life and he's decided that all that history, all their struggles and triumphs just aren't good enough to exist. 

 

I love Solas's character but I absolutely loath his plan. I hope we can redeem him, I really, really do. I just can't understand the people that would want to help him though. You spent all that time in game with Cassandra and her faith and passion, with Varric and his gentle humour and his hopes for Kirkwall, with Dorian and his fervent goal to make Magisterium and his homeland better, and you would happily watch them and their lives and dreams and goals burn and die along with everything else in the hopes that the Ancient Elves come along and what? Have a better life? That their happiness and hopes and dreams are intrinsically worth more than your friends and all the other people of Thedas? Just the thought makes my skin crawl a bit.

[CapricornSun]

Wasn't there a fanart somewhere - of the cover for that exact book?

 

Still catching up to the thread so I don't know if someone's already linked you the fanart, but are you referring to this one?

 

 

Source: http://twilisart.tum...e-avatar-parody

 

[Hedinve]

The more i play the 3 games the more I ( as a player) an willing to let Solas burn Thedas .

I want to level Orlairs with the ground, and put all **** templars in circles guarded by mages.

 

 

I'm not too far behind you in this, I think it's a sort of drama fatigue? I do want the next game and a chance to stop Solas, but at the same time... I'm so sick everything turning up "bad guys". I'm actually a little relieved DA4 isn't greenlightet yet.

[Eurowande]

The more i think about Solas plans the more im convinced it will be Anders situation . We wont be able to stop him, but rather we will have a choice how to deal with it after words . Cuz if we do stop him , everything will be back the way it was - mages in circles ( cuz sooner or later it will happen) , elves in much worst state than even before, and next mage- tempar war coming .

[Hedinve]

Not being able to stop him is plausible given Sandals prophesy and that statue I never remember the name of. So what is killing people then is the sheer fact that people in general will all of a sudden have magic and encounter spirits/demons (based on their perspective) and that will throw the world into a complete chaos, yes? Most cultures we know of in Thedas distinguishes between magic users and non magic users... It's going to be fun being qunari after the merger, me thinks 

[Sifr]

Not being able to stop him is plausible given Sandals prophesy and that statue I never remember the name of.

 

Eleni Zinovia.

 

(Who was the mother of Hessarian, weirdly enough)

[Eurowande]

Not being able to stop him is plausible given Sandals prophesy and that statue I never remember the name of. So what is killing people then is the sheer fact that people in general will all of a sudden have magic and encounter spirits/demons (based on their perspective) and that will throw the world into a complete chaos, yes? Most cultures we know of in Thedas distinguishes between magic users and non magic users... It's going to be fun being qunari after the merger, me thinks 

oh if this happen ill have a good laugh , poor qunari ...h,, if everyone became Seraabas who gonna hold the leash

[Illyria]

It's so heartwarming to see how one can be in both Solas and Abelas fandoms and feel one's tastes respected. 

 

*goes back to catching up with the thread*

 

Sorry if my Abelas comments sometimes sound like I'm anti-Abelas.  I'm not.  I just... don't get the appeal?  He's a character with about 10 minutes of screentime and yet from this he's apparently a better character and LI candidate than Soasl?  And I just don't get it because I barely noticed him when I first played.  He was just 'hooded ancient elf guy I managed to ally with'.

 

[Illyria]

So here's my take on Solas.

 

 

Throughout the game, his disposition with my Inquisitor plummets due to the fact that I tend to side with the Templars. This is mostly due to my Inquisitor believing that this is the best way to have the populace rally around him, promoting order amidst the chaos.  Also, I always spare the Wardens and recruit them, and I make Cole human. So for like 90% of the game, Solas hates the Inquisitor and I am greeted with a "Yes??"     or a  "To what do I owe the pleasure???"    And I'm dismissed with a brusk "Of course." 

 

I even get the rock bottom option to sock him in the face, but I never do it. I instead pick the sarcastic "you mad bro?" option which pisses him off even more.

 

But then things start to change.  I take Solas to the Temple of Mythal because I feel that it is appropriate. Perhaps he has interesting things to say. Perhaps he would appreciate being there. So I bring him along.  I spare the sentinel elves because I can't for the life of me think of a good reason to attack them. And I risk Iron Bull's disapproval (usually a huge no-no for me) by performing Mythal's rituals because I like puzzles.  Finally, I let Morrigan drink from the well, because my Inquisitor isn't getting near that mess with a ten foot pole.

 

Needless to say, Solas's approval shoots through the roof, and here I am knocking on the door of the end game, and now suddenly Solas actually wants to talk. I get to ask him questions now and everything, which just starts an uncontrollable avalanche of approval. Suddenly he's asking me to help his friend, and I'm like, 'Don't make me like you, egg.  Don't do it.'

 

But then I agree and I help his friend. So now, after hating each other for most of the game, suddenly the Inquisitor and Solas are on okay terms. Good terms even. 

 

Which made the Trespasser ending even worse.

 

Solas, I want to wring your neck, but I'll admit that you are are good character. Never trust the quiet ones. 

 

Your character's relationship with Solas is like my Lavellan's with Sera.  Except you get pain and betrayal and I get cookies and rooftop chats.
 

[AllThatJazz]

I'm horribly torn. On the one hand, I want to play in a post veil world. I think it would really shake up the setting, and open up the opportunity for so many different types of adventures. Otherwise I think DA runs the risk of retreading old ground - Mage/Templar conflicts, darkspawn and blights, civil wars/ invasions here and there.

Which is fine, except that things end up largely the same - with the mages back in circles, with people continuing to fundamentally misunderstand spirits and binding them etc, with elves as perpetual victims, and with all the same institutions propped up generation after generation. Removing the veil forces the entire world to change, and to confront issues that right now can be conveniently packed away the majority of the time, and just dealt with in a temporary way whenever things spill over. It seems that whatever change happens (better situation for elves, chantry reforms, better lives for mages outside of tevinter, slave uprisings within) is pretty fleeting. Removing the veil changes the game board permanently in very interesting ways.

On the other hand, I reaaaalllly don't want Solas to be the one that does it, since if it's as destructive as he thinks it will be, there's basically very little/no chance of redemption for him, certainly not without him dying, and I desperately want the chance of a different outcome, frankly even if I have to meta game the crap out of DA4. And DAI. And Trespasser.

Especially if the 'elves as blood magic sacrifice' thing is true (and it is pretty plausible). You don't get 'redeemed' from an act that horrible. You get murder-knifed. The only thing that makes me question this, is this: we know that the anchor was capable of getting a person into the Fade. So why didn't Solas just use it to do that at the end of Trespasser, even at the cost of the Inquisitor's life? Or take us hostage so he could do it at his own time? Why destroy it instead and then go off and do something far far worse to get the same result? I find it hard to believe that Solas, a frillion times more powerful now than when we first met him, can't stabilise the mark for as long as it would take him to use it to access the Fade. Though I freely admit I could be missing something.

[Kaydreamer]

When you have mages and their healing magic at your disposal why learn how to heal/how the body works yourself?

If you had the Eluvians why would you need to build learn to build ships that can cross seas?

If you have alchemy why ever bother to learn chemistry?

And other than the astrariums have Thedasians looked starward at all? To other continents? To cells and human anatomy? Or even the ecosystem?

They look at the Fade and the Veil and wonder all about that, but what about everthing else?

 

Chiming in on this one because I've got an original world where magic and advanced technology exist side by side, so I've put a lot of thought into resolving this particular problem. It can work, it just requires a lot of thought placed into the development of the setting.

 

The biggest reason Humans pursued technology in my world was because mages only made up about 5% of the population. And even then they're divided into elemental affinities, so what one mage can do is different to what another can do. Finding the right mage for a particular job is hard because they're rare, so the regular people did what regular people do - they invented stuff. And some of them got very good at inventing stuff and they started experimenting, working out how the world worked so they could invent even better stuff. (Exactly like how it happened irl.) Firearms, for instance, were invented during a time where the mage minority oppressed the non-mage majority, and the firearms allowed the non-mages to revolt.

 

Occasionally, an inventor would find and collaborate with a mage. Powered flight was invented by a pair of friends - one a wind mage, one not - who wanted to fly together. They designed and built the first glider plane, then decided to stick a lightweight engine on it. Engines themselves were first invented by non-mages, and mages came up with 'cleaner' power sources which didn't involve dangerous boilers or messy oil. And so on.

 

As for healing, decent magical healers are about as common as unicorns unless you're ridiculously wealthy and powerful, so again, people had real reason to learn medicine and rudimentary surgery. Eventually, the 'mundane' method of healing became advanced enough for mages to take notice and they began applying what had been learned to their own healing, allowing them to make discoveries which were passed back to the non-mages which resulted in more discoveries, and so it continues in a kind of positive feedback loop.

 

As for Dragon Age, I can easily see that setting evolving along similar lines. Dragon Age mages are a little more versatile, but they're still rare enough that regular people would have an interest in inventing things to make their lives better, same as the above.

[tanuki]

Was just thinking, not for the first time:  What if it was a really bad decision to let Solas murder the mages in All New, Faded for Her?

 

I mean what if we can't even convince him for the redemption path if we let him do that?

 

It is... concerning...

As that decision is not in the Keep (at least currently) I think you shouldn't worry. Killing his friend, on the other side, is there, so that could probably influence the future redemption path.

[Eivuwan]

I won't say I like Solas less, but I have far less respect for him now. I imagine all my Quizzies, romanced or not, being utterly devastated that someone they trusted and respected would stand in front of them and say "this world isn't right and I can only fix it through destruction".

 

Also, the allusions to his choice being the same as the Quizzie's in Redcliffe, it is absolutely not the same. We get ported to a future world where the sky is torn open, demon armies and jebus only knows what ravage the lands, killing thousands. Cities burn. Nations fall. Those lives born would have probably have been conceived before Corypheus's rule and will most likely be snuffed out before their first birthday.People are terrified, spirits are warped and twisted. It's hell, in short. Our Quizzy is given the chance to go back to exactly what it was before. Everything is reset to that past point in time. The year of terror doesn't happen. It never existed save in Dorian and the Quizzies memories.

 

Solas wants to tear down the Veil but he's not reversing time. He's not just resetting the world to exactly as it was before he tore it down. He's not bringing back those lives that were lost after he first created the Veil. He's bringing down the Veil and the people in the current world will just have to suffer through it's destruction, their destruction, until only those ancient elves who still remain and the few living that can adapt are left. It's almost mass extinction, like the meteor that wiped out the dinosaurs except it's not a natural disaster but a chosen one. Like a nuclear bomb. Worse, he's lived and walked among them. he's seen the best and the worst and the life and he's decided that all that history, all their struggles and triumphs just aren't good enough to exist. 

 

I love Solas's character but I absolutely loath his plan. I hope we can redeem him, I really, really do. I just can't understand the people that would want to help him though. You spent all that time in game with Cassandra and her faith and passion, with Varric and his gentle humour and his hopes for Kirkwall, with Dorian and his fervent goal to make Magisterium and his homeland better, and you would happily watch them and their lives and dreams and goals burn and die along with everything else in the hopes that the Ancient Elves come along and what? Have a better life? That their happiness and hopes and dreams are intrinsically worth more than your friends and all the other people of Thedas? Just the thought makes my skin crawl a bit.

 

You said this a lot better than I did. Unless, his plan actually involves something more like the synthesis ending in ME3, I don't see his actions as defensible. I wish we got a chance to yell at him with more than just a one liner. Lavellan's reaction to him being Fen'Harel and his stupid plan was just not emotional enough for me. I wish we could have at least debated with him a little more.

[Arvaarad]

Wild speculation about how it will go down:

After many Tevinter/Qunari shenanigans in DA4, Solas succeeds in removing the Veil. While the vast majority of people are busy going wtffffff I can shoot fire from my hands, several new Viddasala-like factions arise, trying to put the Veil back and restore order.

Meanwhile Solas is doing his own thing, since the evanuris are now free and the old dreams are more of a problem. Even if old dreams = blight, and are already unleashed on the world, I imagine they get a lot more dangerous with the Veil down. Architect might pop in and say hi, if he's alive.

But never fear, Solas has A Plan for dealing with that issue, and he is a master plansmith. When he gets in over his head, the friendship/kill choice comes into play. He's vulnerable from trying to contain the bigger threat, so he could be dispatched. But, if dispatched, he can't help with the threat / help stabilize the newly unveiled world.

[Avejajed]

This is in response to a conversation some ways back, sorry if it's no longer applicable.

I may also be okay with the veil coming down as long as he's either wrong that everyone go boom (I'm not convinced in worldwide mass death anyway) or if there's some way to prevent the death part while still bringing veil down.

Only thing I don't want is ugly green sky forever.

[Ardent Blossom]

 

 

Why do all the ancient elves look bald!?

Theory: Uthenera? If elves were planning on sleeping for an extended period it would be more practical not to wake up with yards of hair. Since they did things so slowly anyway the ancients maybe had magic to prevent hair and nail growth. I dunno. Solas knows a spell to prevent sunburn on his head. The arcane art of Elvhen personal hygiene!

 

 

 

Still, I'm just used to him being baldie, even if I myself like guys with lots of hair (longhaired, mmmmmmmm). He's the elvhen equivalent of Tibetan/Buddhist monk, which is even more strongly underlined with the way he wears fur over the shoulder

This. I'm so used to the bald. If they gave him hair more of us would be irritated than would be pleased as the color/style/texture wouldn't match up with our headcanons. In my headcanon he used to be a ginger (because pale skin, FRECKLES, and ashy brown brows=redhead in my personal experience). 

 

Not being able to stop him is plausible given Sandals prophesy and that statue I never remember the name of. 

 

I agree the Sandal prophesy is likely to be completely fulfilled in future DA installments. They need all players to have the same general world state for the franchise to continue. You can't have some players expecting a sequel set in a Thedas without a veil while others expect the opposite. I think the details of how that world came to be will vary from player to player.

 

Mythal wants revenge. Flemethal says the world was betrayed (perhaps referring to Solas creating the veil). Perhaps she wants to see the veil sundered just as much as Solas does. Perhaps if the player redeems Solas Mythal/Morrigan will sunder the veil in his place. If they really wanted to pump up the tragedy factor they'd have Solas sacrifice himself trying to prevent the cataclysm. Solas either dies at the hands of the evanuris when he sunders the veil or he dies trying to stop Mythal. That's how I would write it. It would be terribly cruel to Solasmancers though...unless everybody was really going to die anyway...even Cullen and Cassandra and all the other non-Solas LIs. Oh dear, I hope they don't do that. 

[crazycupcake]

Hello guys  

I just finished Trespasser DLC some days ago.. T.T Can't stop crying... 

 

I have one question and I wanted to know what you guys think >.<  

Do you think the Inquisitor is going to be the next protagonist in next game?       

[Shari'El]

Were we still talking about the bit where you point out you know he's Fen'Harel and he has that smirky face and says "Well done!" to you? Because that's what I found a bit patronizing. It's like he wanted to pat you on the head and give you a cookie for being a clever girl. To be fair, that line fit my Adaar perfectly, but for Lavellan it was just all wrong. She knew by then what was up, but after reading and seeing everything in the crossroads she wasn't going to demonize him and accuse him of anything. At least not to start. She wanted to be sure he was all right first, and the nice thing is I was able to select options that fit her.

 

I do really wish the only romance option we could take before finding him did not make her sound "what's a Mythal" levels of stupid.

 

Or "Do you think this Mythal still exists?" in the Well of Sorrow (replayed that part yesterday, cringe-worthy).

[Janic99]

Hello guys  

I just finished Trespasser DLC some days ago.. T.T Can't stop crying... 

 

I have one question and I wanted to know what you guys think >.<  

Do you think the Inquisitor is going to be the next protagonist in next game?       

Could be. Bu I think she/he will make a cameo. Not sure though. I wish inqy would be cause the end was left too open for me. 

[Ardent Blossom]

Hello guys  

I just finished Trespasser DLC some days ago.. T.T Can't stop crying... 

 

I have one question and I wanted to know what you guys think >.<  

Do you think the Inquisitor is going to be the next protagonist in next game?       

I hope that he/she is. The devs are saying spoilers when people ask, so it is a possibility anyway.

[ZhengAn]

One of my friends was extremely uncomfortable about the fact that I still love solas character after trespasser. Genocide and so and so, she has become a Solas hater, and a Solas fan hater. She said she doesn't understand why people can still fall in love with psychopath who actions clearly cannot be justified. 

 

Some people just ridiculously don't understand that being a fan of certain character doesn't mean you would agree blindly to all his actions and thoughts. 

 

Just whining though, Sorry for any interruption

[AllThatJazz]

 

Mythal wants revenge. Flemethal says the world was betrayed (perhaps referring to Solas creating the veil). Perhaps she wants to see the veil sundered just as much as Solas does. Perhaps if the player redeems Solas Mythal/Morrigan will sunder the veil in his place. If they really wanted to pump up the tragedy factor they'd have Solas sacrifice himself trying to prevent the cataclysm. Solas either dies at the hands of the evanuris when he sunders the veil or he dies trying to stop Mythal. That's how I would write it. It would be terribly cruel to Solasmancers though...unless everybody was really going to die anyway...even Cullen and Cassandra and all the other non-Solas LIs. Oh dear, I hope they don't so that. 

 

I think she wants revenge on the Evanuris - she wants them dead, not imprisoned. And the only way for her to kill them is to release them first, which means getting rid of the veil. I could be wrong, but I don't think she sees the betrayal as Solas's, even if the veil itself is a 'betrayal of the world'. The veil, it seems, was the only (or best) solution to a really crappy problem (whatever the Evanuris were planning), which I think even Mythal would be really hard pressed to see as Solas's fault. She may even be referring to her 'murder' as the betrayal of the world as well as of herself - if she hadn't been taken out of the game, there may have been another, less destructive solution to the Evanuris problem than the creation of the veil. 

 

@ZhengAn - I think it's too early to dismiss anything with regard to Solas. First, he hasn't done anything yet! Genocide is such a horribly loaded, real-world term that I think is pretty inappropriate to use in the context of a videogame anyway :/ Also, he isn't a psychopath - he feels remorse/regret/sorrow etc, he just ... keeps going regardless (at the moment anyway) which is a different problem.

 

Also, I'm willing to bet there's still plenty we don't know regarding his plans - for all we know, it may be another lose/lose situation where if Solas does nothing the world end up just as, if not more, screwed. True, he could end up just another moustache-twirling boss fight (which would be disappointing to say the least after all this effort from PW), but I'm willing to bet there are a few more surprises yet . And as you say, loving a character does not mean agreeing with the things they do

[ZhengAn]

Hello guys  

I just finished Trespasser DLC some days ago.. T.T Can't stop crying... 

 

I have one question and I wanted to know what you guys think >.<  

Do you think the Inquisitor is going to be the next protagonist in next game?       

 

I think a lot of people on forum are demanding two protagonist/inquisitor controlled by player in some cutscene and devs have shown interest in multi-protagonist before. I think bioware would at least take some considerations.

[Eivuwan]

One of my friends was extremely uncomfortable about the fact that I still love solas character after trespasser. Genocide and so and so, she has become a Solas hater, and a Solas fan hater. She said she doesn't understand why people can still fall in love with psychopath who actions clearly cannot be justified. 

 

Some people just ridiculously don't understand that being a fan of certain character doesn't mean you would agree blindly to all his actions and thoughts. 

 

Just whining though, Sorry for any interruption

 

As someone who went from really liking Solas to being super pissed at him after Trespasser, I can sort of understand how your friend feels because there ARE people who seem to bend over backwards to justify his actions for the love of the character. Or at least that's what it looks like to me. Anyway, it is also possible to be a Solas fan and keep his both his flaws and good qualities in perspective. Although I am angry with the character, I am still hoping that he's redeemable.