I can't have my Lavellan fall in love with anyone else. It's depressing and tragic and sad and horrible BUT... there's no way around it. Nope, nope. She's stuck in Solavellan hell and I will never allow her to be free ಥ⌣ಥ
I am terrible.
Maybe it is Solas stuck in Lavellan hell.
Seriously, my girl is crazy. You done picked wrong, sir.
I'm mostly talking on a meta level about characters using those examples with that post anyway. I steer clear of the negativity as often as possible. If I can navigate being someone who can readily defend Anders for this long, I've got this.
Honestly, I wish the cross thread sniping would stop. You'd think Solas and Abelas fans would have a lot in common due to them both being fascinating ancient elves. I thought there would still be a lot of cross over between the threads like there used to be. At some point that stopped. I love Solas and I really want to see more of Abelas. Something about him grabbed my attention during his limited screen time. Obviously, he did the same for others. Can't we all just get along (said dramatically!) 
Oh, he was totally intoxicated in my mind -- but from watching Lavellan play the entire Orlesian court like her own personal puppet, tugging their strings and tying them up within it. That's a level of finesse and power he had to have appreciated, and when it also happens to be done by someone you've shared a few kisses with, well. It was going to happen.
Yeah, I can't help but to think that it could have been one of the defining moments in both their relationship as well as the way he might have viewed her - like, perhaps before there were some vestiges of doubt, or perhaps a lingering urge to think of her as a pretty exceptional gremlin, but NOW?
The woman is smart, caring, curious and deals with pompous courts of overdressed piranhas as easily as she knocks dragons from the sky. She's a wave of power that has whole world under her feet.
Makes me think - while I don't think he and Mythal were romantically involved (it was either mother figure or Leli-Justinia thing), what's the chance that approved Quizzy indeed reminds him of Mythal? I mean, maybe this is what he means when he says "you show a wisdom I have not seen since.... (since the badass that was the All-Mother)".
I heard people expressing discomfort with an idea that Solas might have fell in love with Lavellan because of how she reminds him for Mythal - and I'd say that if Lavellan was viewed as "replacement Mythal" I'd be unconformable too, but I don't think it's that simple.
It seems to me that no matter of how complex was their relationship was, Solas respected Mythal for the way she was and thought of her as a benchmark for good leader and ruler - and whether he idealized or liked her for being a pure, undiluted Queen Of Badassery, anyone reminding him of her is a badass in his/her own right.
I agree. I was debating whether to change my canon LI (I like Sera and Cullen...Cullen and the dog...very tempting!) and was waiting to see how things would turn out. It turned out tragic and horrible...but...it's the better story (for me) so I can't change it. Not just the romance angle but the romance adds to the villian/antagonist relationship as well. It just makes it deeper and more interesting to me, so there's no way around it. Sigh. I'm satisfied enough with the open endedness though. I liked how it leaves something to the imagination. Which is good since it's going to be a long wait until the next game.I can't have my Lavellan fall in love with anyone else. It's depressing and tragic and sad and horrible BUT... there's no way around it. Nope, nope. She's stuck in Solavellan hell and I will never allow her to be free ಥ⌣ಥ
I am terrible.
I think there's a lot more non-magical science research going on that is not emphasized in the game.
We get to hear about the secrets of magic because of the fantasy genre.
But they are doing a lot more than that:
1) Take weaponry. From swords to trebuchets, they want to be making better weapons, and to do that they will need to know physics. To know how to handle silverite vs dawnstone, they will need to know chemistry.
2) You need to build bridges, fortresses and buildings. That requires physics.
3) Creature research table? Biology.
4) There are people actively studying dragon nesting/hunting patterns. So again, biology.
So there are already plenty of active non-magical sceintific activity and there is the incentive to pursue these fields woven in this world.
The University of Orlais's antics and Professor Kenric's commentary on buckles were one of the highlights of Dragon Age for me.
And the Qunari seem to have gaatlok in part because they don't rely on mages. The Codex entries on the Qunari Wars even brings up, 'Well, why do you need cannons when you have mages with Fireball spam?" I think magic has hindered them militarily on that specific front, but you still have plenty of dwarves and human governments trying to figure out gaatlok because they recognize the use. Magical research seems to be somewhat limited in the south, and a bit too unlimited in Tevinter. The healer in Skyhold may make reference to the Four Humors, but hey, that theory lasted for a few thousand years in our world without any magic. It's the lessons the surgeons learn while screwing up because of their reliance on the humors that leads them to the discoveries that are actually, um, true. 
Mages are relatively rare in Thedas, and the Formari don't seem quite as affordable as, say, Tamriel's Mages' Guild. So non-magical solutions and technologies are entirely practical and worthwhile investments.
Going off Cullen's comments, siege weaponry has been greatly advanced since the Second Blight. As Drosophilia mentioned, that requires good engineers. Thedas has plenty of castles, plate armor, big honking ships, Antivans pushing to explore the lands beyond the Amaranthine Ocean (bad idea, guys) and crazy Orlesian operas. All of these are advances in technology. Whatever stagnation or slow-down Thedas has experienced probably has as much to do with the repeated extinction events (Blights) destroying resources and likely killing off a lot of the intellectual community because Blights tend to kill off a lot of people in every community.
I'm loving the weekly events. xD No complaints about the smut either, really, but my partner keeps looking over at my screen at the wrong time. It's hilarious. xD I'm more along for smutty fics though (are they still called lemons?), but all I ever find is Solas x f!Trev.
Anyone have a particular Solavellan fic they really like btw? I want to read some but I'm awful at finding the decent ones (doesn't need to be smut).
Hmm, well, Doughnut Rebel by salesman is my recent favorite Solavellan fic. Not sure if you've been reading it, but it's really fluffy and will make you crave for doughnuts. xD (EDIT: I forgot to mention that it's still ongoing.)
And if you want smut, flabbadence's Moored to Distance Shores is pretty hot imo. (Though read the tags and see if it's your thing, just in case. xD)
I can't have my Lavellan fall in love with anyone else. It's depressing and tragic and sad and horrible BUT... there's no way around it. Nope, nope. She's stuck in Solavellan hell and I will never allow her to be free ಥ⌣ಥ
I am terrible.
I've always promised myself that eventually I'll get out of Solavellan hell and let my poor Lavellan romance Josie. But that day is still far off.
Question, does anyone else wonder if Solas plans on drawing you back from the fade, if he does tear down the veil? I wonder this, because he makes a point to ask you about your spirit....It is just a thought >.>
I appreciate the apology, but it wasn't your comment, it was the "Abelas is the poor Lavellans Solas" one. I totally get that some people don't like him or even notice him; I didn't care much about him until reading people talking about him in this thread (oh the irony) There are characters I despise or find boring and other people love them to pieces; that it's ok, that's what people are, we have different tastes and that makes the world interesting. What I don't get is the need to have your tastes universally validated by universally invalidating other people's; you don't need to talk trash about Abelas to express your love for Solas. Again, I'm not talking about you especifically. Mostly I just ignore the Abelas is boring comments, but that one about being the poor Lavellan version was pretty offensive.
Oula, faut pas aller trop loin. I mean, limits of the medium and all that, but I thought the tongue-in-cheek nature of my comment was fairly obvious (the play on the phrase "poor man's"; the hashtag). I love this thread for its warm fuzzies, and I feel bad if you thought I was trying to shame you, b/c that is the last thing I'd ever intend. 
Oh, this is beautiful. Hadn't thought about the increasing levels of touching as an indication of their intimacy. Love that thought! Okay, so with that in mind, I head cannon that they had sex after the ball and continued to be lovers until the break up scene. She'd told him she loved him before the break up scene as well and said it again during the break up scene so that he would be reminded of how strongly she feels for him. Thanks for helping me work through that!
lol, yeah, Lavellan wouldn't let a drunk ass have her back. Good point. I'll just head cannon that he cut himself off before he got too drunk but he felt good enough to act a bit more carefree at the ball.
ETA: And, the reason I suspected he might be tipsy was the fact that he was so relaxed and let his guard down to the point where he slipped up about being at a ball before.
I just assumed that was because he was having a good time. I don't drink, yet the partying mood will have me gabbing away and acting crazy.
I totally would have hooked Lavellan up with Ameridan if it was an option
Aw, I liked his romance though. Sad and beautiful, she died looking for him 
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I hope this doesn't repeat.
I am so completely over this football game I can't even.
Edit.
*inquisitor voice*
What's going on here?
Uh, my dad's family is over and that's all they're talking about. Well, my Uncle also took the time to explain how much Hollywood is peeving him off pandering to the LGBQYZ community -.- and everyone always acts like I'm some crazy radical when I speak up.
Hoorah for conservative country bumpkins
Uh, I can't deal, that is why I am here.
I have to wonder if Solas is actually able to kill Lavellan if push comes to shove.
He could kill Mythal, and he ended the world to avenge Mythal. I am thinking the answer to that is "yes."
On to my own thoughts:
Solas expects to die in the course of achieving his goals. I'd argue that he also expects everyone who is helping him closely to die. I noticed in a video if you pick the "omg let me help you please" option, he tells you that his path only leads to death. "This is not a path of honor," I think he says. You know what that phrase comes from? "This is not a place of honor," it's used to mark nuclear test sites to warn people they aren't graves etc. worth looting for the sake of history, but instead places filled with dangerous levels of radiation. How that translates to whatever Solas is up to I don't know, but it doesn't look good. Weekes would not have chosen that phrasing by accident.
I've said it before, and I will say it again: Even if you stop Solas, the Veil is coming down. Sandal's prophecy is not the only one that predicted this. The stone lady did too. I think someone pointed out the creature in the tiny cave also said so. It's also prophesied in the text-based game in the Keep.
Maybe we stop him too late. Maybe we stop him in time but someone else jumps in to finish. Maybe there are agents of other Evanuris among his agents. Maybe someone else figures out his plan and carries it out without him (even if it's just one of his underlings). We don't know.
Team Optimism, take heart. The world won't end. It will change, but there would not be another game if the world ended. Not that it couldn't end at the end of the final game (it could, and then would either end the franchise or lead into a new franchise), but we already have evidence that the Veil's coming down and "everyone will see."
I do expect death and destruction, but let's face it: that's pretty normal in Thedas.
I'm expecting Mythal to be the one who destroys the Veil in the end, because she has told us for three games that she wants revenge. Now we kind of know who that revenge is against. If her Fade scene is any indication, it looks like she may have a specific grudge against Dirthamen in particular--or else Dirthamen is someone she wants to avenge. If I'm right, this could be the turning point in convincing Solas toward a path of redemption. He doesn't want to release the Evanuris; Mythal most likely does--so she can kill them or do something worse to them than Solas did. If he sees that it's likely she will do this if he drops the Veil, he'll want to stop.
I don't want to see the death and destruction that result, but I have to say that I do look forward to seeing the world after the Veil is removed, and seeing what kind of stories are told afterward.
...and when I went into the Abelas thread I was told they could spot a Solasmancer from a mile away from the sad desperation and tears. So, goes both ways.
Is that really a thing? I see people joke about tears and ice cream to soothe the soul after Trespasser, but it seems most folks are pretty chill about the whole thing and just appreciate the delicious pain and drama of the story. Where are these sobbing Solasmancers? Like, for real? Am I just insulated from them since I don't roam too far into tumblr and can argue Solas' bad points with the best of them on the forums? I'm confused.
...and when I went into the Abelas thread I was told they could spot a Solasmancer from a mile away from the sad desperation and tears. So, goes both ways.
Jeez, why can't we all just get along?
Although in regards to Abelas, the Evanuris (June specifically), and even Inquisitor Ameridan I'm kind of amazed how much of a following these guys get. I mean, we barely know them, some of them we've never even met. Is it all just looks and headcanon?
It was. Maybe it was tongue in cheek because it was me and I don't normally mind **** like that, I can take it, but I find it rich for people to come to this thread and complain about how we treat people.Is that really a thing? I see people joke about tears and ice cream to soothe the soul after Trespasser, but it seems most folks are pretty chill about the whole thing and just appreciate the delicious pain and drama of the story. Where are these sobbing Solasmancers? Like, for real? Am I just insulated from them since I don't roam too far into tumblr and can argue Solas' bad points with the best of them on the forums? I'm confused.
I just assumed that was because he was having a good time. I don't drink, yet the partying mood will have me gabbing away and acting crazy.
Gotcha'! We're both making an interpretation based on our own experiences with alcohol or lack thereof. IRL, I'm sort of like Solas in that I like to talk about nerd things, I tend to be reserved unless I have an opinion, I fight for social justice, and I can have a temper when I feel someone has been wronged. When I drink, I loosen up and let my guard down a bit more just like he seemed to in that scene. So, I'm just going on my experiences with alcohol! He didn't appear falling down black out drunk or anything but he did appear a bit tipsy.
If this is hell, find me a chair. I'm staying put. Heaven is probably Cullen and a cute dog, but the feels in hell, man! The. Feels!
Well, it's hell, so you probably don't get a chair. And the coffee's cold (it's the only thing that is). 
But Solas is there, so we wait.
Jeez, why can't we all just get along?
Although in regards to Abelas, the Evanuris (June specifically), and even Inquisitor Ameridan I'm kind of amazed how much of a following these guys get. I mean, we barely know them, some of them we've never even met. Is it all just looks and headcanon?
Probably a combination of looks, some base for characterization (as far as some established boundaries and sketches, as well as lots of room for headcanon.
People have been taking minor characters from a work and putting them into their own works forever (something like Rosencrantz and Guildnstern Are Dead came to mind), so it's nothing new.
Probably a combination of looks, some base for characterization (as far as some established boundaries and sketches, as well as lots of room for headcanon.
People have been taking minor characters from a work and putting them into their own works forever, so it's nothing new.
Yep, exactly, it's the nearly blank slate. And for some, probably looks.
Out....of Solavellan hell?
Apparently there's this thing called 'not romancing Solas'. I... don't really understand it very well.
Jeez, why can't we all just get along?
Although in regards to Abelas, the Evanuris (June specifically), and even Inquisitor Ameridan I'm kind of amazed how much of a following these guys get. I mean, we barely know them, some of them we've never even met. Is it all just looks and headcanon?
I'm the same. But I also have a completely different set of minor characters that I like. Like Krem and all the Chargers (I even have an OTP with the Chargers - Dalish/Stitches), Sutherland and his company, Dagna (back before she got a more important role in DAI), the food obessed chantry priest in Denerim.
I guess a lot of it is just fanon fuel. We don't know who the characters are so we're free to make up as much as we want. It reminds me of the Blaise Zabinii thing back in the old days of the Harry Potter fandom. Before Blaise became an actual character all fans knew about him was a name and house. Everything else - looks, personality, blood status, gender - was up left to the minds of fanfiction writers.
He could kill Mythal, and he ended the world to avenge Mythal. I am thinking the answer to that is "yes."
Except I don't think he killed her. She probably has bits of herself everywhere and he just absorbed one piece of her power. Maybe he will let the power out when he's done with his plan.
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