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[maia0407]

Is that really a thing? I see people joke about tears and ice cream to soothe the soul after Trespasser, but it seems most folks are pretty chill about the whole thing and just appreciate the delicious pain and drama of the story. Where are these sobbing Solasmancers? Like, for real? Am I just insulated from them since I don't roam too far into tumblr and can argue Solas' bad points with the best of them on the forums? I'm confused.

Eh, in some of the threads discussing Solas' plans, 'solasmancers' are often invoked in an insulting way. The perception seems to be that many of us are rabidly defending Solas' plans and are so pathetic and desperate for the elf love that we'd stay with him no matter what he did. I guess there are some people like that. But, most solasmancers only seem to try to explain his perspective on the situation and don't necessarily agree with his plans. Most also seem to want to redeem him but will stop him if necessary. At any rate, it's just another ugly stereotype that's popped up and a short-hand way to put down people that like Solas. Typical BSN stuff.

[CapricornSun]

Well this is a thing.

 

Spoiler

 

 

Source: http://rinniethemous...ed-to-make-gifs

 

^ There's two more on that link but the two I posted are my favorites. 

[Illyria]

Eh, in some of the threads discussing Solas' plans, 'solasmancers' are often invoked in an insulting way. The perception seems to be that many of us are rabidly defending Solas' plans and are so pathetic and desperate for the elf love that we'd stay with him no matter what he did. I guess there are some people like that. But, most solasmancers only seem to try to explain his perspective on the situation and don't necessarily agree with his plans. Most also seem to want to redeem him but will stop him if necessary. At any rate, it's just another ugly stereotype that's popped up and a short-hand way to put down people that like Solas. Typical BSN stuff.

 

Which in turn leads some of us - *glares at that idiot Illyria* - to get a little defensive.  As as long as the music plays, we dance.

[Illyria]

Well this is a thing.

 

Spoiler

 

 

Source: http://rinniethemous...ed-to-make-gifs

 

^ There's two more on that link but the two I posted are my favorites. 

 

I'm torn between laughing and the urge to point out that the only time Solas doesn't walk about with his hands behind his back is in a romance.

 

Why am I such a lore nerd?

[Cee]

Apparently there's this thing called 'not romancing Solas'.  I... don't really understand it very well.

 

This is also new information. Though having a DA dream and the only part I can remember now involved looking at/talking to/working with Cassandra is definitely sending me further in that direction. (I also partially blame MJ for a Tumblr post that I saw before I went to sleep that lamented Cassandra and Morrigan's heterosexuality. ) 

 

 

Though....watch me just give up and play through mage Lavellan's intended Solasmance.
 

[Elessara]

Which in turn leads some of us - *glares at that idiot Illyria* - to get a little defensive.  As as long as the music plays, we dance.

 

Which is why I don't leave this thread.  I also don't understand the Abelas vs. Solas conflict.  But, eh people will be people.

[Avejajed]

Which in turn leads some of us - *glares at that idiot Illyria* - to get a little defensive. As as long as the music plays, we dance.

You have a right to a) get defensive and defend yourself

[RynJ]

So, how do you all take that one line of Cole's when reading Solas' mind? The "They sleep, masked in a mirror, hiding, hurting, and to wake them..." line?

 

I highly doubt he's thinking about the Evanuris. From how he spoke, he doesn't seem to regret their suffering at all. Does this suggest that perhaps there is a much more tangible goal Solas is aiming for than "reset the world and just hope for the best"? Maybe there are people trapped and hurting that he knows his actions will free?

[Illyria]

So, how do you all take that one line of Cole's when reading Solas' mind? The "They sleep, masked in a mirror, hiding, hurting, and to wake them..." line?

 

I highly doubt he's thinking about the Evanuris. From how he spoke, he doesn't seem to regret their suffering at all. Does this suggest that perhaps there is a much more tangible goal Solas is aiming for than "reset the world and just hope for the best"? Maybe there are people trapped and hurting that he knows his actions will free?

 

I am 90% sure that is the case.

 

I would be 100% sure but I was on the team that thought there's no way Solas could kill Felassan and that it was probably that jerk Falon'Din so... I'm probably wrong.

[AllThatJazz]

So, how do you all take that one line of Cole's when reading Solas' mind? The "They sleep, masked in a mirror, hiding, hurting, and to wake them..." line?

 

I highly doubt he's thinking about the Evanuris. From how he spoke, he doesn't seem to regret their suffering at all. Does this suggest that perhaps there is a much more tangible goal Solas is aiming for than "reset the world and just hope for the best"? Maybe there are people trapped and hurting that he knows his actions will free?

I've reached my quota of positive votes for the day But 'positive vote'! I like this idea - friends of his, behind a particular eluvian?

[Eivuwan]

So, how do you all take that one line of Cole's when reading Solas' mind? The "They sleep, masked in a mirror, hiding, hurting, and to wake them..." line?

 

I highly doubt he's thinking about the Evanuris. From how he spoke, he doesn't seem to regret their suffering at all. Does this suggest that perhaps there is a much more tangible goal Solas is aiming for than "reset the world and just hope for the best"? Maybe there are people trapped and hurting that he knows his actions will free?

 

I think he trapped a lot of elven spirits along with the Evanuris and he feels bad about it.

[Brass_Buckles]

Probably a combination of looks, some base for characterization (as far as some established boundaries and sketches, as well as lots of room for headcanon.

 

People have been taking minor characters from a work and putting them into their own works forever (something like Rosencrantz and Guildnstern Are Dead came to mind), so it's nothing new.
 

 

I believe one of the major reasons for Abelas's popularity in particular is that we don't know much about him.  The other reason is his appearance, particularly his body.  I find him interesting and fairly attractive (despite the nose that rivals mine in prominence--I am more into faces than bodies personally).  His codex entries give some extra insight into him, and it seems he's a rather tragic character.  It might be nice to see him work through his issues and try to move past his grief.  Let's face it, someone whose grief defines them so much at this point that they've actually named themselves "Sorrow," well... that's deep.  Maybe some of it is just that people want to see him happy.  I can't speak for everyone, but he is in my fic and I've got another one planned that will involve him (albeit I can't say he'll end up happy).

 

To me, though, there is a lot of appeal in how plot-involved he might be if Abelas were to show up (companion or not) in DA4.  Think about it:  He's an ancient elf who has clung to what remains for millennia.  A chance appears to restore what was lost and rebuild.  How could he not take it?  But on the other hand, many of the Sentinels were born after the Veil, and are shemlen themselves.  If he takes this chance, he may be betraying them.  Would he betray them even though they are in effect his people (despite being shemlen)?

 

Ameridan... well, he's fascinating too.  I wish we could've spent more time with him and learned more, but I don't think I'd have tried to romance him--even if he was quite attractive for an older man.  Reason?  Telana.  He'd be in love with her for all time.  At least with his death they could finally be together again.

 

What I do not understand is people going out of their way on both sides to bash each other for liking Abelas, or liking Solas.  There's room for both.  Nor do I grasp why people have to attack Solas fans for liking him after Trespasser, or really anyone who attacks anyone else based on their preference.  For one, they aren't real people.  Solas isn't destroying the REAL world.  And for two... even if I don't find Iron Bull or Blackwall attractive, there are people who do.  There are people who adore each and every character.  It's disrespectful to go on the attack because someone likes a character you don't.  It's childish, even.

[Jayla]

I'm expecting Mythal to be the one who destroys the Veil in the end, because she has told us for three games that she wants revenge.  Now we kind of know who that revenge is against.  If her Fade scene is any indication, it looks like she may have a specific grudge against Dirthamen in particular--or else Dirthamen is someone she wants to avenge.  If I'm right, this could be the turning point in convincing Solas toward a path of redemption.  He doesn't want to release the Evanuris; Mythal most likely does--so she can kill them or do something worse to them than Solas did.  If he sees that it's likely she will do this if he drops the Veil, he'll want to stop.

 

I'm so glad other people are jumping aboard on the idea that Solas isn't The Big Bad, even though he's set up that way. Maybe it's denial taking the wheel, I don't know. xD I've got a vision of Mythal leading a war against the evanuris with an army of dragons. That'd be cool.

 

Well, it's hell, so you probably don't get a chair.  And the coffee's cold (it's the only thing that is).   But Solas is there, so we wait.

 

The coffee's cold? That's it, I'm out. Sorry guys, I can't deal with cold coffee. Bye.

Okay that's a total lie I love you guys.

[CapricornSun]

Some art before I go to bed.

 

Trespasser: Solas and Lavellan. (Gorgeous!)

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Source: http://didiher.tumbl...i-wish-it-could

 

 

Trespasser: Solavellan tarot card WIP.

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Source: http://lurfa.tumblr....-to-paint-solas

 

 

Trespasser: Solas WIP

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Source: http://mellorianjart...29497393493/wip

 

[Sable Rhapsody]

Jeez, why can't we all just get along?

 

Although in regards to Abelas, the Evanuris (June specifically), and even Inquisitor Ameridan I'm kind of amazed how much of a following these guys get. I mean, we barely know them, some of them we've never even met. Is it all just looks and headcanon?

 

A lot of it's headcanon.  And a lot of it was spawned during the dry spell with no DLC where we had analyzed Solas to death and were left to our own devices.  Take away lesson: leaving fans to their own devices spawns...interesting things

 

As much as I love Solas, and as thoroughly as I'm in the hellspiral at the moment, there's only so much time I can spend thinking about one character.  So then I just d*ck around!  D*cking around is fun!

 

(welp, guess that's my profound statement for today)

[Brass_Buckles]

So, how do you all take that one line of Cole's when reading Solas' mind? The "They sleep, masked in a mirror, hiding, hurting, and to wake them..." line?

 

I highly doubt he's thinking about the Evanuris. From how he spoke, he doesn't seem to regret their suffering at all. Does this suggest that perhaps there is a much more tangible goal Solas is aiming for than "reset the world and just hope for the best"? Maybe there are people trapped and hurting that he knows his actions will free?

 

That's what I already thought, actually, after playing Trespasser.  We hear about all the elves trapped in the Crossroads.  There may be others trapped in remote corners of the world.  Of course they are hiding and hurting - hurting because of what happened, and hiding because so much has gone wrong and they're afraid.  We also saw there are demons in the Crossroads now, likely corrupted by the creation of the Veil, or interactions with Fade-sundered people afterward.

[Brass_Buckles]

I'm so glad other people are jumping aboard on the idea that Solas isn't The Big Bad, even though he's set up that way. Maybe it's denial taking the wheel, I don't know. xD I've got a vision of Mythal leading a war against the evanuris with an army of dragons. That'd be cool.

 

 

The coffee's cold? That's it, I'm out. Sorry guys, I can't deal with cold coffee. Bye.

Okay that's a total lie I love you guys.

 

I've been saying that about Mythal since the day after Trespasser came out (because that's when I beat it).  Solas might very well be the Big Bad, but I repeat:  Mythal has mentioned vengeance over the course of three games, as Flemeth.  We saw what vengeance leads to in DA2 with Anders.  She might even be the driving force, somehow, behind Solas's plans.  We don't know.

[Cee]

I'm so glad other people are jumping aboard on the idea that Solas isn't The Big Bad, even though he's set up that way. Maybe it's denial taking the wheel, I don't know. xD I've got a vision of Mythal leading a war against the evanuris with an army of dragons. That'd be cool.

 

I don't think we have nearly enough pieces yet on this chess board. I think we're going to continue getting more, and that we will have perspectives flipped again. Solas is a part of this but he's part, not the whole. There's still so much we don't know.

[Uirebhiril]

I'm so glad other people are jumping aboard on the idea that Solas isn't The Big Bad, even though he's set up that way. Maybe it's denial taking the wheel, I don't know. xD I've got a vision of Mythal leading a war against the evanuris with an army of dragons. That'd be cool.

 

That's the struggle I'm having right now. If Solas is being set up as the big bad, but turns out not to be, does that take away from him as a character? Or can we all then breathe a sigh of relief that he's just being used, able to rip the blinders off at the last moment and not fall but be redeemed? I don't know what to feel about this.

 

I really wouldn't be surprised if he is being played, but then... how many of us wanted to deny he killed Felassan? Maybe it really wasn't him in the end, but it sure looks that way right now. And yet, if he did kill Felassan it fits and it's okay because it works with the character growth and and... Will not being the one in charge of his own plan take away from that same sort of character experience and growth?

 

Arrgh.

[_Lucinia]

Which is why I don't leave this thread.  I also don't understand the Abelas vs. Solas conflict.  But, eh people will be people.

There is no conflict though.  In the last 2 weeks I can't recall even one time that anyone over here said anything that could be taken as bashing another character or their fans.  We make jokes about a lot of things, including Solas, and ourselves.  No one has intent to offend or harm anyone else.  Unless I missed something crazy earlier today I don't see where any of this is coming from.  The Solas thread has a reputation for being a Unicorn on the internet for a reason.  That doesn't mean we're infallible and don't have things crop up once in a while.  I have never seen an Abelas vs Solas conflict.  Not in this thread, not recently.  If there was stuff while I was on hiatus well *shrug* I guess I am wrong. 

[Sable Rhapsody]

That's the struggle I'm having right now. If Solas is being set up as the big bad, but turns out not to be, does that take away from him as a character? Or can we all then breathe a sigh of relief that he's just being used, able to rip the blinders off at the last moment and not fall but be redeemed? I don't know what to feel about this.

 

Neither do I, but I also have faith in Our Weekes of Edmonton, hallowed be His name

 

I never, ever thought it would be possible to set Solas up as both a villain, and still a sympathetic LI.  Weekes pulled that off and made it look easy in the process.  His dialogues for Solas have so many potential layers of interpretation that I'm still happily peeling them back over a week after Trespasser, and close to a year after the game was released.  I have confidence that he'll make it work.

[S.W.]

how are we doing, Solas thread? I decided to sit down and write and found a bunch of fanfic I'd wrote way back in May and I've spent the last few hours editing bits and pieces instead of writing oh nooo. Also, job application rejections .

 

I now have access to DA for the first time in over a week so I might try out the multiplayer tonight for a change of pace.

 

Well this is a thing.

 

Spoiler

 

 

Source: http://rinniethemous...ed-to-make-gifs

 

^ There's two more on that link but the two I posted are my favorites. 

 

I am sadly out of likes

[drosophila]

That's the struggle I'm having right now. If Solas is being set up as the big bad, but turns out not to be, does that take away from him as a character? Or can we all then breathe a sigh of relief that he's just being used, able to rip the blinders off at the last moment and not fall but be redeemed? I don't know what to feel about this.

 

I really wouldn't be surprised if he is being played, but then... how many of us wanted to deny he killed Felassan? Maybe it really wasn't him in the end, but it sure looks that way right now. And yet, if he did kill Felassan it fits and it's okay because it works with the character growth and and... Will not being the one in charge of his own plan take away from that same sort of character experience and growth?

 

Arrgh.

 

I think that even if he is being played, that does not take away any responsibility or guilt he might have.

 

We know he is not simply following orders. ("I am no one's agent but my own.") He has actively made the decisions to do everything he's done. To me, even if it turns out that his motives have been manipulated, he is still the Big Bad, there might just be another Big Bad out there. 

[Cee]

A lot of it's headcanon.  And a lot of it was spawned during the dry spell with no DLC where we had analyzed Solas to death and were left to our own devices.  Take away lesson: leaving fans to their own devices spawns...interesting things

 

As much as I love Solas, and as thoroughly as I'm in the hellspiral at the moment, there's only so much time I can spend thinking about one character.  So then I just d*ck around!  D*cking around is fun!

 

(welp, guess that's my profound statement for today)

 

So profound.

 

I turned to fleshing out headcanon myself, though it led to exploration of past and present in ways I still can't manage to shake. But it's all good.

 

Me: "I want to write fluff!" *writes angst and sads*
 

[NeverlandHunter]

Gotcha'! We're both making an interpretation based on our own experiences with alcohol or lack thereof. IRL, I'm sort of like Solas in that I like to talk about nerd things, I tend to be reserved unless I have an opinion, I fight for social justice, and I can have a temper when I feel someone has been wronged. When I drink, I loosen up and let my guard down a bit more just like he seemed to in that scene. So, I'm just going on my experiences with alcohol! He didn't appear falling down black out drunk or anything but he did appear a bit tipsy.

Haha, I'm sure the alcohol did let him loosen up a bit! Although I think Solas is responsible enough not to drink and kill!

 

Probably a combination of looks, some base for characterization (as far as some established boundaries and sketches, as well as lots of room for headcanon.

 

People have been taking minor characters from a work and putting them into their own works forever (something like Rosencrantz and Guildnstern Are Dead came to mind), so it's nothing new.
 

Ah, well, Solas is the first game character I've ever become obsessively fangirlish over, so the whole things still fairly new to me. I think it's great that people can form these communities over characters they love it's so awesome talking to all of you about Solas!

 

They haven't been written enough to **** with headcanons. Abelas hasn't ever let them down yet, his sexuality isn't set in stone, he has no history we know of, he's completely open to interpretation. Till the writers give us more, we can make him whatever we want him to be.

That makes sense!!

 

Eh, in some of the threads discussing Solas' plans, 'solasmancers' are often invoked in an insulting way. The perception seems to be that many of us are rabidly defending Solas' plans and are so pathetic and desperate for the elf love that we'd stay with him no matter what he did. I guess there are some people like that. But, most solasmancers only seem to try to explain his perspective on the situation and don't necessarily agree with his plans. Most also seem to want to redeem him but will stop him if necessary. At any rate, it's just another ugly stereotype that's popped up and a short-hand way to put down people that like Solas. Typical BSN stuff.

They obviously don't know how much we all differ and bicker amongst ourselves X) we all have our own opinions, some seem crazier than others, but that's why the thread is so great and it can keep going. We have so much we can discuss and debate!