The dialogue fight with TIM wasn't well-received, but that doesn't mean the concept is bad. Deus Ex's social boss fights are some of my favorite parts of the game: they can be a little finicky, but when done well, they evoke this really excellent feeling of tension and high stakes.
Hmm. I didn't mind that final converseation "fight" with TIM, actually. It was a nice change of pace at any rate
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Hmm. I didn't mind that final converseation "fight" with TIM, actually. It was a nice change of pace at any rate
I think it was a good idea, but I didn't really feel like I'd swayed him at all, just that he sort of gave up. This was a guy that was indoctrinated too. It felt too easy. I think maybe it just needed a longer conversation, more time to properly deconstruct his beliefs.
I'm on the same page as you I think when it comes to Flemythal. Flemeth has been one of my favorite DA characters since forever. With that said, I have never thought that she has noble/pure intentions. I just love how grey she is, ya know? She's a fantastic character. I hope there's going to be more of her or her machinations in future installments.
I love that Bioware has made so many characters in this series that fall into the morally grey alignment. They're complex. There's things to love about them, sometimes they do good things, but there's enough there to still kind of fear what their real intentions are. Morrigan is also one of my favorite characters. For largely the same reasons.
Yay, someone gets it!
I'm not hating on Mythal. And I don't 100% know that I'm correct. It's just that her desire for vengeance above and beyond what Solas has already done in the name of vengeance, makes me highly suspicious of her. I can see she cares about the modern world to some degree. What I don't know is whether that's because she cares about the people in it or because she had to keep a certain balance over time until Solas woke up so she could achieve her ultimate goal of vengeance.
It's not just Mythal's vengeance, it is also Flemeth's. Mostly Mythal's, though, I'd argue.
So here's a question for you then: What happens when the mother/protector figure is betrayed and the people she was mother and protector to no longer exist, or are hurting somewhere?
Also, if you were nearly impossible to kill and people you had long worked with and possibly trusted to some degree struck against you, wouldn't you be angry? And what if you had millennia to stew over your vengeance, just like Mythal has? It doesn't mean every one of your actions would push for that goal, or that you'd only do evil deeds, but if your vengeance were near at hand, within your reach... you might do some pretty awful things.
And we know Mythal kept slaves, because of vallaslin--Abelas claims to be bound to her will if you ask about the price of the Well. She was never, ever 100% good, no matter how Solas may have idealized her or how many times she helped our protagonists.
Could I be totally wrong? Certainly. But the Veil is going to be removed, and it being a game, we already know we're going to be able to convince Solas to stop, or kill him. Whether we're simply too late or someone else is involved, I don't know, but if someone else is involved, the only one who's got the freedom of movement to intervene, that we know of, is Mythal and/or whomever happens to be bound to her through the Well.
For those who romanced Anders do you feel less betrayed by the former rather than Solas? As someone who has yet to play the Trespasser DLC as well as romance Solas I was wondering how everyone is taking this and really is there any logical reason why anyone would agree to help Solas from the standpoint of the Inquisitor? Ander's plan while not on the scale of Solas's still made a massive impact on the world of Thedas. Yet me personally I can forgive Ander's and go about having my male Hawke still let him live and stay involved with him. I don't think I will be able to do so with my fem elf Inquisitor...
Anders' betrayal was a bit more personal. He intentionally deceives Hawke into helping him. He has Hawke actively participate in getting the ingredients to blow up the chantry. In the grand scheme of things of course what Anders did hurt/killed far less people than what Solas' plan will. But Solas never lets the Inquisitor actively take part in what he is doing. A romanced Lavellan can offer to help him and he flat out refuses because he would not allow her to be a part of what he is doing.
For those who romanced Anders do you feel less betrayed by the former rather than Solas? As someone who has yet to play the Trespasser DLC as well as romance Solas I was wondering how everyone is taking this and really is there any logical reason why anyone would agree to help Solas from the standpoint of the Inquisitor?
You can offer to help Solas before you know what his actual plan is. And then once he tells you what it is, even he all but says you're an idiot for wanting to help him because it's just not a good and glorious thing. So while I get where he is coming from with what he said and what he is planning, I don't get why anyone would want to directly help him with the information we have at the moment. Except maybe super-elfy types who believe that wiping out everyone else, including modern elves, is worth it to bring back the glory of an empire they've never known. Understandable in those cases for a RP perspective.
I think that more than anything makes me not hate Solas or his reasoning, even if I hate the idea of what his plan means. He knows it's s*it, he knows it's bad, and he probably couldn't respect or like you if you're all "BURN THE WORLD" just for something as selfish as being with him (in the case of a romance).
Why do I always seem to catch this screenshot?
hahahaha! Solas is creeping! Love your elf, BTW. Looks very similar to my new one!
For those who romanced Anders do you feel less betrayed by the former rather than Solas? As someone who has yet to play the Trespasser DLC as well as romance Solas I was wondering how everyone is taking this and really is there any logical reason why anyone would agree to help Solas from the standpoint of the Inquisitor? Ander's plan while not on the scale of Solas's still made a massive impact on the world of Thedas. Yet me personally I can forgive Ander's and go about having my male Hawke still let him live and stay involved with him. I don't think I will be able to do so with my fem elf Inquisitor...
Both are different circumstances, and not quite betrayals. Anders is very personal and directly lied in order to get Hawke to help without giving Hawke any sort of real impact at all. But there were other factors at work in his desperation, not least of which is his possession. But even that has a few facets and ways to understand it.
Solas doesn't feel like a betrayal. Mine actually offered to join him but not because she agrees (because this comes before he tells you the expected consequences of his plan and the 'not people' aspect), but because she didn't want to leave him alone like that and maybe make him see sense. The line "but you would do it to yourself?" when he refuses you, well, it's painful. In any case, she didn't break it off with him but they have separate, but very closely related goals now.
Why do I always seem to catch this screenshot?
Because Creeper Solas is real.
And while Solas has made quite a few miscalculations, I think most of them stem from the fact that he's gambling with the fate of the world - but I don't think he's unaware that he has more than Inquisitor (or Flemeth? Or Blight) against him. If he's smart - and he's established that he is indeed scary smart - then it's out-of-character for him to be played to any sort of large extent.
Not disagreeing, but I compare Solas and Mythal (I know we don't know enough about her yet, really). Solas gambles big and plays the long game but he goes for solutions that'll change things immediately, whereas Mythal seems to be playing a longer game and is able to use people to her best advantage, making change slowly but surely. Solas is clever, but a part of me thinks Mythal is cleverer (is that even a word? xD).
I don't know if I'm making any sense. xD
Why do I always seem to catch this screenshot?
WOW she is suuupeer pretty!!!
And creepy Solas is creepy
Because Creeper Solas is real.
He watches you in dreams after being broken up for two years, taking your arm, and plotting to destroy your world and everything in it 
I almost want to just tell him, "...well done?" 
We're at the point where normal, reasonable reactions have gone out the window.
Why do I always seem to catch this screenshot?
Cause it's appropriate! lol
Heh, I made a Solavellan video using clips from Trespasser and "Still Here" by Digital Daggers. Enjoy 
Yay, someone gets it!
I'm not hating on Mythal. And I don't 100% know that I'm correct. It's just that her desire for vengeance above and beyond what Solas has already done in the name of vengeance, makes me highly suspicious of her. I can see she cares about the modern world to some degree. What I don't know is whether that's because she cares about the people in it or because she had to keep a certain balance over time until Solas woke up so she could achieve her ultimate goal of vengeance.
It's not just Mythal's vengeance, it is also Flemeth's. Mostly Mythal's, though, I'd argue.
So here's a question for you then: What happens when the mother/protector figure is betrayed and the people she was mother and protector to no longer exist, or are hurting somewhere?
Also, if you were nearly impossible to kill and people you had long worked with and possibly trusted to some degree struck against you, wouldn't you be angry? And what if you had millennia to stew over your vengeance, just like Mythal has? It doesn't mean every one of your actions would push for that goal, or that you'd only do evil deeds, but if your vengeance were near at hand, within your reach... you might do some pretty awful things.
And we know Mythal kept slaves, because of vallaslin--Abelas claims to be bound to her will if you ask about the price of the Well. She was never, ever 100% good, no matter how Solas may have idealized her or how many times she helped our protagonists.
Could I be totally wrong? Certainly. But the Veil is going to be removed, and it being a game, we already know we're going to be able to convince Solas to stop, or kill him. Whether we're simply too late or someone else is involved, I don't know, but if someone else is involved, the only one who's got the freedom of movement to intervene, that we know of, is Mythal and/or whomever happens to be bound to her through the Well.
Hell hath no fury like that of a woman scorned is how it goes, right?
I suspect Solas idealizes Mythal a bit. No different than how the slaves he freed idealize him. He even tells you in Trespasser if you mention you know he's not bad because of what you found, that they're romanticizing him. Curious if those two things mirror each other. Maybe Mythal somehow freed him in a way.
I've said before that I feel like the game could be doing a bit of a slight of hand. "Hey look over here, Solas is about to do something really awful. You need to focus everything on finding a way to stop him." Meanwhile, where's Morrigan? What did Flemythal put through the eluvian? Where are all of the elves going? Obviously these are all things for the next game and we're not going to know until then. I can't help but feel that there is potentially more going on than just Solas. Like you said, Flemeth has been putting things in motion for a very long time. She has her own end game. There's no way to know if she's Solas' ally, or the one manipulating him. She could also want something totally independent of what Solas is doing.
This is an exciting time to be a Dragon Age fan.
That's the struggle I'm having right now. If Solas is being set up as the big bad, but turns out not to be, does that take away from him as a character? Or can we all then breathe a sigh of relief that he's just being used, able to rip the blinders off at the last moment and not fall but be redeemed? I don't know what to feel about this.
I really wouldn't be surprised if he is being played, but then... how many of us wanted to deny he killed Felassan? Maybe it really wasn't him in the end, but it sure looks that way right now. And yet, if he did kill Felassan it fits and it's okay because it works with the character growth and and... Will not being the one in charge of his own plan take away from that same sort of character experience and growth?
Arrgh.
I think the difficulty with Solas being the main big bad is that we've had so much revealed to us already, I think if he was going to be the only big bad in DA4 they might not have wanted so much of his plan to be revealed at this stage. There has to be a lot being held back or it could be a bit boring, they need to be able to surprise us!
He watches you in dreams after being broken up for two years, taking your arm, and plotting to destroy your world and everything in it
I almost want to just tell him, "...well done?"
I just realized that he's actually super creepy. like not just sorta creepy. nuh uh he's intense.
While I don't believe they're "broken up" exactly, they're not "together" either. It's the most weird situation. And he just watches her while she dreams. I mean what if she's having some really personal stuff happen in that dream? A dream is not an appropriate place to barge into.
Oh well, at least we know he's absolutely obsessed with her. That's comforting. Would be nice if he wasn't trying to destroy the world and maybe was normal for once.
I just realized that he's actually super creepy. like not just sorta creepy. nuh uh he's intense.
While I don't believe they're "broken up" exactly, they're not "together" either. It's the most weird situation. And he just watches her while she dreams. I mean what if she's having some really personal stuff happen in that dream? A dream is not an appropriate place to barge into.
Oh well, at least we know he's absolutely obsessed with her. That's comforting. Would be nice if he wasn't trying to destroy the world and maybe was normal for once.
What if she's dreaming about sexy times with Solas and he's watching? 
He watches you in dreams after being broken up for two years, taking your arm, and plotting to destroy your world and everything in it
I almost want to just tell him, "...well done?"
Lavellan also spends her dreams looking for him. It's not one sided on Solas' part.
What if she's dreaming about sexy times with Solas and he's watching?
I wonder if it makes him blush...
Lavellan also spends her dreams looking for him. It's not one sided on Solas' part.
I was just about to post this.
Illyria, how did you get in my head? 
I just realized that he's actually super creepy. like not just sorta creepy. nuh uh he's intense.
While I don't believe they're "broken up" exactly, they're not "together" either. It's the most weird situation. And he just watches her while she dreams. I mean what if she's having some really personal stuff happen in that dream? A dream is not an appropriate place to barge into.
Oh well, at least we know he's absolutely obsessed with her. That's comforting. Would be nice if he wasn't trying to destroy the world and maybe was normal for once.
I think it's more a matter of connection they have. If you take Bull and Cole after Chargers were saved you can get this banter:
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