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[Sable Rhapsody]

Wouldn't it be great if it was a plot point in the next game? Like - the romanced or liked Inquisitor knows what Solas schtick is, plus they did they homework with the Fade, indomitable focus and so on, therefore their mind is their fortress from which Solas can't really 'steal' much (or may even be wary of Inky 'stealing' something from his).

 

It's possible that though he could abuse his Fade powers, he chooses not to with friend/romanced quizzy.  He sees quizzy as a person, not a tiny gremlin, and he believes in free will for all people.  Besides, especially with romanced quizzy, I think he'd be in just as much danger of jeopardizing himself if he walked into her mind.  He's emotionally compromised too, and I think he wouldn't do it for the risk of letting something slip.

[Solas]

5000 PAGES HELLA VHENANS

[Jayla]

 

"You read it by grace, and you can regain it by work."

 

Love that book so much.

 

Oh yes. I'm surprised they never made a film out of it!

Don't you dare correct my delusion.

[Elessara]

And Shartan looked upon the Prophet Andraste
And said: "The People will set ourselves free.
Your host from the South may march
Alongside us."

How long was Andraste after the veil? It sounds an awful lot like him. I'm bad on the timing but it sounds like the elves escape the Evanuris and stumble upon Andraste as she stages her war against Tevinter. Anyone better at timelines?

 

Tevinter was formed in -1195 Ancient.  The Veil was formed some time before that.  Not exactly sure when but even if the Veil was created at about the same time the timing is still far off.  The First Blight was in -395 Ancient.  Andraste died in -170 Ancient.  Solas has been asleep since he created the Veil so that would make it impossible for him to be Shartan.

 

The elves fought alongside Andraste because they were already slaves of Tevinter and had been slaves for centuries by that point.

 

Edit to add:  This is from the DA wiki timeline since the Virdirthan timeline is unavailable.

[S.W.]

5000 PAGES HELLA VHENANS

 

we haven't truly hit 5k until threadad arrives at the party with his vhenans.

[AutumnOracle]

But has he been asleep the whole time? I know he said that when he awoke he was too weak. Did he specifically say he slept after creating the veil?

These canticles are definitely fascinating. The prophecy one is definitely setting up what we should expect to see in coming games.

[midnight tea]

Tevinter was formed in -1195 Ancient.  The Veil was formed some time before that.  Not exactly sure when but even if the Veil was created at about the same time the timing is still far off.  The First Blight was in -395 Ancient.  Andraste died in -170 Ancient.  Solas has been asleep since he created the Veil so that would make it impossible for him to be Shartan.

 

The elves fought alongside Andraste because they were already slaves of Tevinter and had been slaves for centuries by that point.

 

The only way I can accept "Solas is Shartan" theory is that somehow some legends of Fen'Harel's rebellion survived and got mixed up into the story of Andraste (and even if there was an elf rebellion leader who freed elves from slavery in Tevinter, he's more of a composite of actual historical figure and elvhen legends - such things happened in our history after all)

[Elessara]

But has he been asleep the whole time? I know he said that when he awoke he was too weak. Did he specifically say he slept after creating the veil?

These canticles are definitely fascinating. The prophecy one is definitely setting up what we should expect to see in coming games.

 

He said something like, "I lay in dark and dreaming sleep while countless wars and ages passed.  I woke still weak a year before I joined you." ... and I'm fairly sure he conked out not long after he created the Veil although, no he is not specific on this point.  I don't think.

[Cee]

This reminds me of the end to His Dark Materials. Lyra could read the alethiometer and work out its multi-layered meaning quickly, where ordinarily it would take years of study and even then reference books would need to be readily on hand. At the end she loses the ability to read it as quickly, but she hasn't lost the ability altogether, and endeavors to try again. It'll take a lot longer, but she can do it and I'll bet a lot quicker than any other person.

 

Speaking of feels and being apart in two places yet connected....
 

[Cee]

5000 PAGES HELLA VHENANS

 

 

 

Naturally, this is where I find my likes are gone again.

[midnight tea]

But has he been asleep the whole time? I know he said that when he awoke he was too weak. Did he specifically say he slept after creating the veil?

 

Yes, he did. He said that he laid "unconscious" for millenia and that he woke "still weak" only a year before events of Inquisition.

[Elessara]

I wonder how old Solas really is.  If he's as old as Arlathan itself, he's over 8,000 years old.  Dang.

[AutumnOracle]

I can get behind the amalgamation of figures theory. What Shartan says is almost exactly how Solas would speak so it gave me pause on that theory for the first time.

[Miss This or That]

I wonder how old Solas really is.  If he's as old as Arlathan itself, he's over 8,000 years old.  Dang.

 

Well they say men improve with the years, so... 

[Cee]

I wonder how old Solas really is.  If he's as old as Arlathan itself, he's over 8,000 years old.  Dang.

 

 

So how do you all headcanon your Lavellans' thoughts on finding out he's really, really, really old?

 

I guess a lot of things would just suddenly make sense to her. 

[Patchwork]

Wouldn't it be great if it was a plot point in the next game? Like - the romanced or liked Inquisitor knows what Solas schtick is, plus they did they homework with the Fade, indomitable focus and so on, therefore their mind is their fortress from which Solas can't really 'steal' much (or he may even be wary of Inky 'stealing' something from his).

 

Disapproved Quizzies though, who never heeded Solas advice could be like an open book for them, which will likely undermine at least some of their plans.

 

It would continue the trend of him being careful around a Inquisitor he respects while spelling everything out to one he disliked because he thinks they're too stupid to realise what he really means. 

[drosophila]

Yes, he did. He said that he laid "unconscious" for millenia and that he woke "still weak" only a year before events of Inquisition.

 

To be fair, he did not say he was unconscious and that he only woke up once. He said:

 

"I lay in dark and dreaming sleep while countless wars and ages passed. I woke still weak a year before I joined you."

 

I interpret the "dreaming" part to mean that he was active in the Fade and could explore people's dreams and memories there - providing him with some connection to what's going on in the world, so he wasn't completely unconscious. 

 

Then, just because he woke up a year before DAI, doesn't mean he hadn't waken up before. We interpret that what weakened him is creating the veil, but he could've woken up once before, done something, gotten weak again, gone back to bed. 

 

Don't have an opinion about him being Shartan either wawy, but this is what his line means to me. 

 

EDIT: Oops, he did mention being "unconscious" for millenia, and that the Orb has been building up magical power during that time. But that's in contradiction with the dreaming part... Maybe part of the time he was unconsious and part he regained consciousness?

[NeverlandHunter]

Um, non-mages CAN be possessed.  We saw them do it in DA2, forcing a demon into the templar recruits.  It just takes a lot more effort. 

I know that, but it is much more uncommon. Lucid dreaming isn't that horrendously difficult to learn to do, if that was all it took to enter the Fade as mages do I think there'd be a lot more non-mage possessions.

[Elessara]

I can get behind the amalgamation of figures theory. What Shartan says is almost exactly how Solas would speak so it gave me pause on that theory for the first time.

 

Solas often speaks very poetically and the Canticles are pretty much epic poems.  So it kind of makes sense that they sound similar.  Although I'm not sure if that's exactly what Shartan said or not or just maybe a paraphrase to fit the style of the Chant.

[AutumnOracle]

To be fair, he did not say he was unconscious and that he only woke up once. He said:

"I lay in dark and dreaming sleep while countless wars and ages passed. I woke still weak a year before I joined you."

I interpret the "dreaming" part to mean that he was active in the Fade and could explore people's dreams and memories there - providing him with some connection to what's going on in the world, so he wasn't completely unconscious.

Then, just because he woke up a year before DAI, doesn't mean he hadn't waken up before. We interpret that what weakened him is creating the veil, but he could've woken up once before, done something, gotten weak again, gone back to bed.

Don't have an opinion about him being Shartan either wawy, but this is what his line means to me.

EDIT: Oops, he did mention being "unconscious" for millenia, and that the Orb has been building up magical power during that time. But that's in contradiction with the dreaming part... Maybe part of the time he was unconsious and part he regained consciousness?

Enter my confusion . I can definitely see him working behind the scenes in dreams.

[Elessara]

To be fair, he did not say he was unconscious and that he only woke up once. He said:

 

"I lay in dark and dreaming sleep while countless wars and ages passed. I woke still weak a year before I joined you."

 

I interpret the "dreaming" part to mean that he was active in the Fade and could explore people's dreams and memories there - providing him with some connection to what's going on in the world, so he wasn't completely unconscious. 

 

Then, just because he woke up a year before DAI, doesn't mean he hadn't waken up before. We interpret that what weakened him is creating the veil, but he could've woken up once before, done something, gotten weak again, gone back to bed. 

 

Don't have an opinion about him being Shartan either wawy, but this is what his line means to me. 

 

EDIT: Oops, he did mention being "unconscious" for millenia, and that the Orb has been building up magical power during that time. But that's in contradiction with the dreaming part... Maybe part of the time he was unconsious and part he regained consciousness?

 

He could be physically unconscious but still dreaming in the Fade.

[Sable Rhapsody]

I know that, but it is much more uncommon. Lucid dreaming isn't that horrendously difficult to learn to do, if that was all it took to enter the Fade as mages do I think there'd be a lot more non-mage possessions.

 

Then the Avvar should be getting possessed left and right.  But they're clearly not.

 

I never said non-mages would experience the Fade as mages do.  But I don't think they're entirely helpless either, especially not after having borne the Anchor for years.

[drosophila]

Enter my confusion . I can definitely see him working behind the scenes in dreams.

 

I am almost 100% sure he worked in dreams at least in the few years leading up to his awakening before DAI. No way he can adjust to a world that is completely different, assemble agents he trusts, do something something with the Dalish, give the Orb to Cory, all in a year, it seems too much.

[MayriyaNoori]

I wonder what was the actual thing that made Solas say "Well, I better get up now and try to fix this mess.Not a single competent person born in 2000 years....figures. Want something done gotta do it yourself."

 

I know the eluvians being activated was one idea, but is there anything else that could be it?

[Patchwork]

I've never been onboard with the Solas=Shartan theory any more than Mythal=Andraste, it's hanging too much on a handful of characters for my tastes so him sleeping until a year before DAI works for me. Although I have to say he certainly didn't waste time going after Briala and Felassan.

 

I prefer Shartan to be a person rather than an amalgam because pcs aside eleven heroes in modern Thedas are rare. My City elf should have a few true stories to tell random Alienage kids.