I'm feeling so sorry for Solas tonight. It's so twisted that the nicer you are to him, the more he suffers. If you romance him, it's suffering to the nth degree. It's just... Maybe my canon PT should be an a##quizitor who has maxed out disapproval with Solas and punched him. For his own peace of mind. Let him think he's giving the gremlins exactly what they deserve.
It's probably just sleep deprivation. But still, the feels are getting to me.
Also, the allusions to his choice being the same as the Quizzie's in Redcliffe, it is absolutely not the same. We get ported to a future world where the sky is torn open, demon armies and jebus only knows what ravage the lands, killing thousands. Cities burn. Nations fall. Those lives born would have probably have been conceived before Corypheus's rule and will most likely be snuffed out before their first birthday.People are terrified, spirits are warped and twisted. It's hell, in short. Our Quizzy is given the chance to go back to exactly what it was before. Everything is reset to that past point in time. The year of terror doesn't happen. It never existed save in Dorian and the Quizzies memories.
I agree with you that it is different from what Solas plans, if we want a real comparison then it's something more of Alexius sending the Inquisitor and Dorian 50, 100, 200 years into the future. I can't fully imagine how the world would look like (but I'll still try in my fumbling way), if Corypheus finds a way to stop the world from collapsing entirely you'll probably have a dystopian world in which Tevinter rules Thedas, Corypheus is "god", all those without magic are slaves, I assume most would be uneducated, illiterate, worship Corypheus out of sheer terror. The Veil would weaken immeasurably around the empire (because of the bloodshed), causing more instances of demon possession, perhaps slaves with magical talent would've been used to bound said demons to conquer lands beyond Thedas.
There is also the matter of red lyrium (because I need something to change the people, and that's the only thing I could think of), it spreads to world, infesting it, corrupting it and people around it. What if with time the population somehow got accustomed to the red lyrium, whether by nature or by someone creating a medication some years ago that affects for generations. What if said change would also have adverse effects on their mental health, or their lifespan (i.e people only live up until 40 because their bodies overwork themselves trying to get rid of the red lyrium).
The mages of Tevinter would be ecstatic, Tevinter will thrive. Weird things could happen, that some might even consider positive, perhaps the Dalish would migrate to get away from the mess and find themselves on uncharted lands, making themselves a life there.
Now, how would Inquisitor and Dorian react? I'm guessing horrified. Would they want to go back to erase this future from happening? My money in on "yes".
If they can't return to their original time, would they hatch a plan to return order back, on the back of thousands? That depends on the Inquisitor.
I tried painting a similar picture, it is not based on canon knowledge but it is irrelevant to the point. Like Solas sees people as tranquil, the Inquisitor may see these people as broken, like cultures thrive in current Thedas, so will others in future Thedas. People lived, died, loved, and created under these conditions, and it may even get better by the day, but it is still broken. People are no longer what they were, many enslaved, the world is less advanced then it used to be as whole nations fell.
Edit: this is what happens when you don't read all the comments and comment yourself, Kaydreamer beat me:
Spoiler
It is possible to empathise with and understand a characters plans from that characters perspective, without agreeing with them.
I completely understand why Solas feels he needs to carry out his plans, even though it hurts him to do so. I understand how utterly wrong modern Thedas must feel for him. It's a mistake he feels he must undo. To do nothing would be, from his perspective, a betrayal of the world as he feels it should be.
That does not mean I agree with his plan. But I understand it. And I also think there's more at stake here than we've been shown as yet.
Imagine if you would, that instead of the time magic during the 'In Hushed Whispers' quest casting your inquisitor forward one year, it cast her forward a decade. The world is broken, demons are everywhere, everything is all wrong. Now imagine that instead of being able to fix it instantly, your Inquisitor had to spend a year there, gathering the resources she needs to turn back time. During that time, she meets children born after the breach. She meets resistance fighters who, for all the hardship they've endured, have formed bonds of friendship and love that they never would have had if not for the chaos. None of these people would want those things erased. In the case of the children, none of them will even exist if your Inquisitor turns back time. She's erasing them. All because she sees the world they were born into as broken.
Is it broken? Well, yes. The Inquisitor knows that, because she lived in the world before it broke. But does that mean anything to the children she's going to remove from existence? Does this broken world not have the right to fight and mend itself on it's own terms? We've already made that choice for it once. We chose to erase it. Who knows what it could have become, had we chosen instead to stay and help fight.
Returning to Solas; is modern Thedas 'broken' in the same way that the breach future was? Solas certainly seems to think so. And how can we say otherwise? We have no point of reference, nothing to compare it to. We weren't there in Arlathan. We have no idea what was lost. Solas sees modern Thedas in the same way our Inquisitor saw the alternate future. Broken. She made her decision, and that world ceased to be. Now Solas has made his.
'Let he who is without sin cast the first stone.'
Modifié par Shari'El, 21 septembre 2015 - 02:37 .
AllThatJazz, Catfishers, Kaydreamer et 1 autre aiment ceci
I remember that at the end of the main game, I was really upset that the orb was destroyed because he looked so sad. But now I think it may have actually been a good thing because it may have delayed his plans for a few years. From one of the paintings, it looks like the Evanuris used the orbs to kill the Titans. I am wondering if maybe the material needed to create the orbs also came from the Titans. Maybe in the next game we will go to different Titan lairs to make a different kind of orb that will deter Solas' plans.
I remember that at the end of the main game, I was really upset that the orb was destroyed because he looked so sad. But now I think it may have actually been a good thing because it may have delayed his plans for a few years. From one of the paintings, it looks like the Evanuris used the orbs to kill the Titans. I am wondering if maybe the material needed to create the orbs also came from the Titans. Maybe in the next game we will go to different Titan lairs to make a different kind of orb that will deter Solas' plans.
I remember that at the end of the main game, I was really upset that the orb was destroyed because he looked so sad. But now I think it may have actually been a good thing because it may have delayed his plans for a few years. From one of the paintings, it looks like the Evanuris used the orbs to kill the Titans. I am wondering if maybe the material needed to create the orbs also came from the Titans. Maybe in the next game we will go to different Titan lairs to make a different kind of orb that will deter Solas' plans.
You can see some orbs laying about in Shattered Library - they look identical to one Cory had. If they're just lying there and Solas never picked them (and we do know he had access to Vir Dirthara ever since he took control over eluvians), I'm pretty sure he's not planning to create another one.
After Cory fight you can even ask him "can the orb be fixed?" He doesn't say no to it - he simply states that fixing it won't recover what was lost.
His orb must have been special because it collected and built up magical energy for millenia. Solas rather obviously doesn't have time for that and will now search for alternate solutions.
Also, sorry to interrupt the conversation, replying to some old posts.
I sat around and thought up all kinds of cool stuff about my Lavellan's clan also. Family members......what vallaslin her siblings had and why....what her days were like when she would go scouting with the hunters......teaching the little ones....all kinds of good stuff that attached me to clan Lavellan.
Then I messed up and had Cullen send people to deal with potential red lyrium.
I kept it cause it was good drama.
I reloaded and re-did soooooo many hours worth of game time just for that trial and error in order to keep my clan alive.
Totally worth it after what Varric does in Trespasser.
I also have the Keeper's appearance and personality all mapped out, the clan storyteller, the clan craftsman, a few clanmates around my girl's age home she was rather good friends with (as much as she can be, being city-born and kept separate from the clan to study so much), my main girl's niece... Yeah, I went nuts too.
Oh, well I only have two Lavellans, the male and the female, they are the twins in fact. Otherwise this sounds familiar. I made up some 50+ members, gave them all names, mapped out their ages, who's related to whom, who's married/bonded to whom, grouped up the families, picked my Lavellan's closest friends, mapped out the storyteller, the halla keeper, the craftsmaster, their apprentices, who is the Keeper's second, who are all the hunters and who are all the children too young to have a "job" within the clan. Etc, etc.
Erm, this is why I'm being sheepish about it I guess.
Me too. I'm just trying to be practical in knowing these feels won't have any chance until a couple of years from now. I am glad that Solas was openly emotional and affectionate with romanced Lavellan because while he was being honest, he didn't hide that side of it either. Different from when he wouldn't even touch you as he left Crestwood or his "harden your heart to a cutting edge" coldness.
I am packed with feels of all sorts, and trying to channel them knowing we have plenty of time.
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... It's like a villain hiding in "The Villain City - Search Here, Hero!"
*Poofs in*
Well Solas does want to be stop on some level if you romanced him. Its a doomed if you doomed if you don't situration for him. If he goes along with his plans he will be killing Lavellan and many many other people who are real, but if he doesn't he feels he has let his people down again and left this world in its dismal state. Like this world is a sick dog and you're torn on whether or not to euthanize it. It might get better but at the same time it hurting and now you have to battle all these feels. So considering he is in a war with himself, he might be more prone to slip ups. One side of him betraying the other.
With hugs, right?
Operation Hugs & Nugs will operate under a TO flag.
I still want to give him a hug
Cradle the poor guy's head in my arms and gently pet him until he falls asleep.
Add some frilly cakes to the Hugs & Nugs operation too. Cakes make everything better unless they are a lie.
*poofs out*
CapricornSun, DarthEmpress, nikkylee et 1 autre aiment ceci
The whole guilt thing hasn't led Solas to make the best decisions before.... gotta break that darn cycle one way or another to get him to stop taking everything upon himself.
*Solas resets the world and restores his people* *He's crushed by guilt over what he did to the modern world and the Inquisitor* *Solas decides maybe he was wrong* *Solas resets the world again*
The whole guilt thing hasn't led Solas to make the best decisions before.... gotta break that darn cycle one way or another to get him to stop taking everything upon himself.
*Solas resets the world and restores his people* *He's crushed by guilt over what he did to the modern world and the Inquisitor* *Solas decides maybe he was wrong* *Solas resets the world again*
Now I'm imagining Solas switching between worlds like TV channels but there's nothing good on on any of them.
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The whole guilt thing hasn't led Solas to make the best decisions before.... gotta break that darn cycle one way or another to get him to stop taking everything upon himself.
*Solas resets the world and restores his people* *He's crushed by guilt over what he did to the modern world and the Inquisitor* *Solas decides maybe he was wrong* *Solas resets the world again*
Yeah, his guilt is causing him to make impulsive decisions. I just don't believe that destroying this world is the only way to help the ancient elves.
....That's like me working on every picture I paint EVER =_=!!!
Extreme perfectionism is... extreme.
There is a reason I sometimes just force myself to post things I write in order to get them away from myself before I condemn them to endless fiddling and poking.