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[Cee]

I'd recommend not going near CoE.  Unless you like pointless deaths, gratitious 'darkness' and bisexual erasure.

 

I've watched it, just no further. And yeah, there is all of that.

[Ghost Gal]

Everyone talking about Lavellan's new base of operations: Based on the ending scene, it seemed like they just set up in Haven.

 

However, I also imagine my girl travels between there and her family and friends in Wycome, and her new estate in Kirkwall.

 

Agreed. I honestly don't understand why people say gay bff in the first place instead of just saying bff. Seems completely ridiculous to me.

 

A lot of people really like the "sassy gay best friend" stereotype, and jump to conform Dorian to it.

 

I personally don't care for the stereotype. (I think the Nostalgia Chick does a really great job of showing, in the first two minutes of this video, why popular media's "gay best friend" stereotype is limiting and demeaning.)

 

While I also imagine my Lavellan and Dorian are best friends, and that he offers much-needed emotional support after Solas leaves (twice), that friendship is a two-way street (she also offers emotional support and helps him with his problems), and that they do more together than just talk about hair, fashion, and Solas.

 

I conscripted the templars with my Solas-romancing Lavellan  I was meh toward Fiona in the books, but I found her in-game portrayal immensely off-putting.  I will be the first to admit that it's an irrational dislike.

 

Well.... your call. 

[Sable Rhapsody]

Well.... your call. 

 
The mages tend to get the bulk of the sympathy, and I 100% understand why. But I really felt for the templars in this game.  Between Evangeline in Asunder, Samson's short story, and everything Cullen says, I've come to the conclusion that the old Circle system sucked just as hard for the templars as it did for the mages; their stories just didn't really get told until DA:I. No wonder they all went ballistic; mages are prone to corruption under emotional duress, and templars are all addicted to a substance that's slowly killing them and destroying their minds. YUP VIVIENNE THIS IS A GREAT SYSTEM   

Plus my Lavellan only knows about the mage/templar conflict in broader strokes, and what she's seen during Inquisition. At least in the early game, Inquisition is not particularly charitable toward either side.
 

Wait, I can weaponize my dimples and freckles? 

By the power of cute!

[S.W.]

All of these yes, and I would add Simon Templeman (Loghain), Jennifer Hale (FemShep) and Geraldine Blecker (Shale) to my list. Oh, and Natalia Cigliuti (Sigrun).

Er, and loads more actually. My list is too big! But Brandon Keener and GDL make me melt   

 

Edit: I did meet Ramon Tikaram. He was adorable. I'm still not over it and I blush whenever I see him on tv. My husband has noticed >.<

 

I have an embarrassingly massive crush on Simon Templeman's voice which I only realised I had when I played Mass Effect DLC. It makes replaying DA:O slightly comical, and makes me far too partial to Loghain

[Ghost Gal]

Ah, I totally missed the 'show your Lavellan' thing going on a few pages back. I really want to ask a few questions, though:

 

That's okay, we're happy to meet your Quizzy now! 

 

What is the first thing that you think about the moment you look at your Lavellan?

Usually it's either, "Why can't she have long, beautiful hair?" or "Oh my gosh, the lighting is so bad on her. It makes her skin look sallow, her hair yellow, and her beautiful pale green/blue eyes an ugly green/brown. Why did I pick these colors?" If I see her in glorious moonlight: "OMG she's so gorgeous! That shimmering silver-white hair, that pale skin, those light green/blue eyes! Why can't most lighting in the game be like this?"

 

What stands out about her the most, in terms of appearance?

Silver hair + pale skin + long pointed ears = moon bunny! 

 

If you could change one thing about her, what would it be?

Long, beautiful, flowing, silver-white hair; if I could figure out how to install mods. 

[TheyCallMeBunny]

 

What is the first thing that you think about the moment you look at your Lavellan?
What stands out about her the most, in terms of appearance?

If you could change one thing about her, what would it be?

 

 

I really want to post a picture of my Inky here so you would know what I mean, but I'm a bit worried that if I spam her one more time on this forum I will either be banned or chased off with pitchforks and fire  ... Okay, one more time!

 

Spoiler

 

1.  She has a very tomboyish look about her, which totally fits her character... she really isn't a standard beauty queen.

2.  I think the first thing you notice is that she looks different in comparison with most other elven inkys... I think I might have used an uncommon shape of eyes or her? Her face also has a very rectangular shape.

3. There are moments when I look at the super pretty/beautiful inkys other have made that seem to look good no matter the situation or camera angle, and they all look so mature and age appropriate... My Lavellan suffers, like me in real life, from looking way younger than she is. I sometimes fear when Cory shows up in Haven that he will brush her off and ask where the adults are! 

[Sable Rhapsody]

3. There are moments when I look at the super pretty/beautiful inkys other have made that seem to look good no matter the situation or camera angle, and they all look so mature and age appropriate... My Lavellan suffers, like me in real life, from looking way younger than she is. I sometimes fear when Cory shows up in Haven that he will brush her off and ask where the adults are! 

I cherry-pick screenshots like whoa. There are definitely ones where the dimples and her dorky smile make my Lavellan look like she's about twelve 

[dawnstone]

Ah, I totally missed the 'show your Lavellan' thing going on a few pages back. I really want to ask a few questions, though:

 

 

What is the first thing that you think about the moment you look at your Lavellan?

What stands out about her the most, in terms of appearance?

If you could change one thing about her, what would it be?

I'm going to do the answers using my Lana (as seen in my icon), since she's the one I'm playing through right now and will probably be my canon Quizzy.

 

What is the first thing that you think about the moment you look at your Lavellan?

Malibu Barbie. J/k, I purposefully gave her characteristics that reminded me of Zevran because I wanted them to be related, like second cousins, though neither of them would ever know. I also gave her sparkly green eyes like Luca, my other Lavellan, because I just think that's pretty. Also, the Dirthamen vallaslin, because Lana is very into the more esoteric properties of magic and also ferreting out people's secrets, as she's nosy.

 

What stands out about her the most, in terms of appearance?

Definitely the shit-eating grin. Lana is not the sort of person who tends to take things too seriously, or if she does it's life or death. She's definitely going to do the angry responses to the break up. When she gets emotional it's explosive. 

 

If you could change one thing about her, what would it be?

I used the default world state when I started my new playthrough, so I don't have Kieran in this one. It makes me kind of sad, because I like him existing.

[NightSymphony]

What is the first thing that you think about the moment you look at your Lavellan?

How well she fits her name. Atisha means peace. I made her pale with white hair, like a dove. Infact, her nickname is Dove. Like the dove of peace.
 

What stands out about her the most, in terms of appearance?

I think it's her eyes. I made them a very soft green, but they really stand out with her pale face. 

 

If you could change one thing about her, what would it be?

I would love to give her long hair. I really like some of the mods, like that fluffy long pony tail one. I can't wait until I get my new computer so I can play with all the mods. lol.

 

 

About Torchwood. I watched part of the first episode after COE and I just couldn't finish it.  All the magic was gone. So yeah...COE was the end.  Sorry Merrill.

[Sable Rhapsody]

A lot of the long hair mods clip.  I don't know if it's better for mage armor, but rogue armor tends to have these high collars.  It looks badass, but Maker what a clippy mess.  It's not as bad with the over-the-shoulder long hair, since a lot of those are modeled to deal with the worse of the clipping.

[ModernAcademic]

I don't know if this has already been answered in the thread, but what does var lath vir suledin means?

 

The Dalish Inq. says that to Solas in Trespasser...

[Ghost Gal]

 
The mages tend to get the bulk of the sympathy, and I 100% understand why. But I really felt for the templars in this game.  Between Evangeline in Asunder, Samson's short story, and everything Cullen says, I've come to the conclusion that the old Circle system sucked just as hard for the templars as it did for the mages; their stories just didn't really get told until DA:I. No wonder they all went ballistic; mages are prone to corruption under emotional duress, and templars are all addicted to a substance that's slowly killing them and destroying their minds. YUP VIVIENNE THIS IS A GREAT SYSTEM 

 

I don't think it's quite the same, because most Templars are recruits who voluntarily joined the order like Cullen (I know we have some involuntary ones like Alistair in DAO, but I don't think that's the bulk of them) while mages have no choice regarding the Circle. You're found to have magic, they hunt you down and chuck you in first thing, then give Templars complete power over you (and too many of them don't hesitate to abuse it) whether you will it or not.

 

Cole's many comments imply that most Templars either like to hurt mages ("because it makes them happy, or less afraid..."), or have to convince themselves that mages aren't people to justify to themselves treating them like that ("some remember that mages are people.") Cole even mentions that "some" Templars want to protect people (again, like Cullen), but he implies that those are few enough. Recruit the Templars as equals and Cole clearly disapproves if you talk to him right after, and he mentions "it's dangerous with too many men in armor who think they're right" or something. As an empath who spent so much time around the bulk of the Templar Order, he'd know best...

 

Call me heartless, but my Lavellan's attitude is, "You willingly picked a job that you knew involved hunting, killing, and imprisoning people against their will; and now you complain that that job that hurts people is hurting you too? Your problem."

[NightSymphony]

A lot of the long hair mods clip.  I don't know if it's better for mage armor, but rogue armor tends to have these high collars.  It looks badass, but Maker what a clippy mess.  It's not as bad with the over-the-shoulder long hair, since a lot of those are modeled to deal with the worse of the clipping.

Thanx for the warning. I plan of having Atisha run around half naked in the Quinari armor for most of the game. :-P

[Sable Rhapsody]

I don't think it's quite the same, because most Templars are recruits who voluntarily joined the order like Cullen (I know we have some involuntary ones like Alistair in DAO, but I don't think that's the bulk of them) while mages have no choice regarding the Circle. You're found to have magic, they hunt you down and chuck you in first thing, then give Templars complete power over you (and too many of them don't hesitate to abuse it) whether you will it or not.

 

I'm pretty sure they don't tell the templar recruits all the horrific effects of lyrium poisoning until after they're addicted to the stuff; like the Wardens, how would they get anyone to join up if they were honest?  Remember, most normal people are brought up to think of the templars as holy defenders and protectors of the innocent.  I can see the appeal in joining up.

 

But we'll have to agree to disagree  I prefer to think of both the templars and the mages as sympathetic; IMO it makes for a more interesting story.

[Ghost Gal]

I don't know if this has already been answered in the thread, but what does var lath vir suledin means?

 

The Dalish Inq. says that to Solas in Trespasser...

 

Var lath vir suledin = "Our love will endure." 

 

Literally:

 

Var = "our"

Lath = "love"

Vir = a little tricky, but it roughly means "way" or "path"

Suledin = "Endure." (Think of Suledin Keeper in Emprise du Lion. Suddenly that name makes more sense.)

[Ghost Gal]

I'm pretty sure they don't tell the templar recruits all the horrific effects of lyrium poisoning until after they're addicted to the stuff; like the Wardens, how would they get anyone to join up if they were honest?  Remember, most normal people are brought up to think of the templars as holy defenders and protectors of the innocent.  I can see the appeal in joining up.

 

But we'll have to agree to disagree  I prefer to think of both the templars and the mages as sympathetic; IMO it makes for a more interesting story.

 

Well, like I said, they pick a job that they know is tailored to hurt people (and Cole implies that most do it for that reason), so I don't really shed any tears when they find out that same job meant to hurt people hurts them too.

 

I also think that siding with mages sets a better example, since Andrastian society still fears magic so much they'd just keep finding new prison systems to lock them away and subject them to abusive jailers even after helping Templars, so I'd rather change society's view about magic so the Circle system and Templar order is no longer strictly necessary.

[Illyria]

I conscripted the templars with my Solas-romancing Lavellan  I was meh toward Fiona in the books, but I found her in-game portrayal immensely off-putting.  I will be the first to admit that it's an irrational dislike.

 

 

[Jaison1986]

Fashionably late for the party, but here is mine:

 

Spoiler

 

 

I'm not sure if I did an good job. It was an piece of cake to make an good looking female character in Origins, but Inquisition is a whole nother story. I'm still highly conflicted weather I should maker her my main canon or my mage Trevelyan. It's an tough choice.

[Sable Rhapsody]

I also think that siding with mages sets a better example, since Andrastian society still fears magic so much they'd just keep finding new prison systems to lock them away and subject them to abusive jailers even after helping Templars, so I'd rather change society's view about magic so the Circle system and Templar order is no longer strictly necessary.

 
Then let's hope your average Thedosian will be totally cool with magic when Solas tears down the Veil   Though the worldstate goes to having both the College of Enchanters and the Circle no matter what you do.
 
My canon Hawke was very pro-freedom back in DA2, and my Adaar allied with the mages in DA:I.  But honestly, my favorite portrayal of the mage/templar thing was through Rhys and Evangeline in Asunder; it was much more interesting to me than crazy templars and possessed mages.  I don't know the mind of every single templar, and neither does Cole.  Nor do I know the mind of every single mage, and neither does Cole.  But I got a pretty good glimpse into two reasonable people, and IMO the book is pretty clear that Rhys and Evangeline are a lot closer to your average mage and templar than, say, Anders or Meredith. 
 
 

 
I know, I know.  Like I said.  Personal, irrational dislike.  I can't justify why I don't like her, I just don't 

[S.W.]

 The mages tend to get the bulk of the sympathy, and I 100% understand why. But I really felt for the templars in this game.  Between Evangeline in Asunder, Samson's short story, and everything Cullen says, I've come to the conclusion that the old Circle system sucked just as hard for the templars as it did for the mages; their stories just didn't really get told until DA:I. No wonder they all went ballistic; mages are prone to corruption under emotional duress, and templars are all addicted to a substance that's slowly killing them and destroying their minds. YUP VIVIENNE THIS IS A GREAT SYSTEM   

Plus my Lavellan only knows about the mage/templar conflict in broader strokes, and what she's seen during Inquisition. At least in the early game, Inquisition is not particularly charitable toward either side.
 

By the power of cute!

 

Honestly, I found opposing Samson pretty difficult for this reason - because he was completely right. Templars were ultimately the tools of the Chantry, used and discarded when no longer necessary, at a horrific human cost. This isn't to say that templars aren't complicit, and shouldn't receive some level of blame for bad treatment of mages - hardly, they have overseen many abuses of mages without the Chantry prodding them. Rather, that the blame could also equally be pinned on the Chantry, which oversees and approves of a system that gives ordinary people a massive amount of power and responsibility over another group with very little rights or representation or sympathy - with the expectation that the other group will quickly descend into madness.

 

Not only is there such a clear and easy route for abuses to occur, but it's quite easy for a templar to justify their actions by talking about the righteousness of their cause or the dangers of that mage. There also seem to be very few internal checks on how templars behave - we hadn't met a seeker, who is supposed to oversee those relations, until Cassandra. The seekers, who exist to investigate templars and circles, have too many ties to the templars themselves to be an effective cause for tackling corruption - the Lord Seeker is essentially the head of the Templar Order. That's bad bad news if you take removing abuses from the Order seriously. It's also quite easy to see how such a system would attract templars who prioritise collaring mages over helping ordinary people.

 

In short, the circles are a recipe for disaster in their current form. The templars should take the blame for the abuses they have caused, presided over, taken a blind eye to - but also, it should be noted that the circle system allows them to operate in such a manner, and the head of that system is the chantry. Which is also why I find being in an organisation so closely aligned to its leadership - the Inquisition was set up by Justinia and her left & right hands, effectively - uncomfortable. I wish there was some option to run off with Samson to destroy the chantry somehow. Andrastianism will continue to exist with or without it.

[DarthEmpress]

Ah, I totally missed the 'show your Lavellan' thing going on a few pages back. I really want to ask a few questions, though:

 

 

What is the first thing that you think about the moment you look at your Lavellan?
What stands out about her the most, in terms of appearance?

If you could change one thing about her, what would it be?

 

What is the first thing that you think about the moment you look at your Lavellan?

 

Well, thanks to mods, she now has long, pretty hair so I guess I think about what a Dalish salon is like.  Do they have shampoos named after the elven gods like Mythal's Moisture Blend???

 

 

What stands out about her the most, in terms of appearance?

 

Purple eyes! :3

 

 

If you could change one thing about her, what would it be?

 

I want her to have a big ol' butt! :3

[S.W.]

Well, like I said, they pick a job that they know is tailored to hurt people (and Cole implies that most do it for that reason), so I don't really shed any tears when they find out that same job meant to hurt people hurts them too.

 

I also think that siding with mages sets a better example, since Andrastian society still fears magic so much they'd just keep finding new prison systems to lock them away and subject them to abusive jailers even after helping Templars, so I'd rather change society's view about magic so the Circle system and Templar order is no longer strictly necessary.

 

Eh, I think you credit the average Thedosian as being more informed than they actually are.

 

Most people don't know about templar lyrium addiction. Most people don't know how mages actually live and what their day-to-day is like. Most people don't know about the repeated abuses templars have inflicted on mages. Most people have very little idea about mages work anyway - a lot of them are terrified of magic simply out of ignorance, and assume all mages = abominations or the like. Most people, when joining the chantry or the templar order, have no idea about any of these things.

 

I also think it's worth noting that templars have several roles in society - some hunt mages, others guard mages, and others still work in local communities and chantries, as some kind of holy police force. It's worth noting that this last group are probably the most benign - and probably the most visible for ordinary folk. I think people see that particular side of the templars the most, see all the lyrium-addicted mage-killing side the least, and combined with the fact that the chant is very prevalent and taken very seriously, it's no wonder that plenty of people join the templars with good intentions. Not all, but some.

 

But you're right - good intentions and ignorance don't make up for being complicit in, or committing awful actions. Many templars cause hurt. They're enabled to do so by a much larger system, of which the Chantry has responsibility, but they're still responsible for their individual actions - from murder and violence, to right down to simply refusing to speak up when abuses occur. And I also think you're right to side with the mages - like, it was probably the easiest choice in the game for me, when given all the available information.

 

I do think though, because of some templars' intentions, whether it'd be worth trying to sway sympathetic templars to the cause, rather than pushing them away outright.

[Sable Rhapsody]

Honestly, I found opposing Samson pretty difficult for this reason - because he was completely right. Templars were ultimately the tools of the Chantry, used and discarded when no longer necessary, at a horrific human cost. This isn't to say that templars aren't complicit, and shouldn't receive some level of blame for bad treatment of mages - hardly, they have overseen many abuses of mages without the Chantry prodding them. Rather, that the blame could also equally be pinned on the Chantry, which oversees and approves of a system that gives ordinary people a massive amount of power and responsibility over another group with very little rights or representation or sympathy - with the expectation that the other group will quickly descend into madness.

 
Stanford prison experiment, anyone?  This kind of system perpetuates horrible behavior in perfectly "normal" people.  Add lyrium, and it's a wonder that the Circles lasted as long as they did.
 
They don't address what happens to the templars in the Trespasser epilogues, but if you get Cullen off lyrium and conscript them to the Inquisition, you can at least break their lyrium leash in the post-game epilogue.  If Leliana is Divine, the Templar Order is permanently disbanded.  If Cass is Divine, the Order is reformed without the use of lyrium.  Baby steps, but it's certainly not a bad start.

(Basically don't make Viv Divine and you're mostly ok )

[Oswin]

I conscripted the templars with my Solas-romancing Lavellan  I was meh toward Fiona in the books, but I found her in-game portrayal immensely off-putting.  I will be the first to admit that it's an irrational dislike.

 

 

Solas-romancing Mage Lavellan went to the Templars and conscripted them.

 

I wanted her to do the opposite of everything my Male Lavellan did, and he sided with the mages for Dorian reasons   and an in-depth headcanon that made sense.

So I made my headcanon for Niamh as well. Way I see it, she was a sheltered Dalish so didn't know much of the world outside her clan. The Dalish you meet in these games (and the books) DGAF about other elves, including those in the circle. They aren't even that kind to their own magic users (in the case of Minaeve). So I don't see it as completely illogical that a Dalish mage wouldn't jump at the chance to go side with Mages. 

I had Niamh look up to Cassandra as her guide throughout her naive beginnings at Haven. So after meeting the weird acting Templars at Orlais and having my Niamh trusting Cass's judgement that something wasn't right - she decided it was best to go see the Templars and find out what was going down. Plus, bossing around the Templars? She'd be so down with that.

 

You gain approval from Solas when you disband the Templars and make them serve the Inquisition anyway. He has hope for them. So from a Solasmancing perspective it still made sense.

 

As for Fiona. Waste of oxygen. Sorry Fiona fans. I didn't even realised I'd killed her. 

Her weird speech to you at Orlais about seeking out the mages isn't all the convincing either. If I hadn't gone in with a mage bias I probably would have sided with the Templars in my first few runs instead of the Mages because of her. I've not read the book she's in so my knowledge of her is limited to what I've read online and her in game appearance. Which isn't great. 

 

 

Anyho, well done on passing 5000 pages! I have way too much to catch up on and just wanted to make that Solas romancing Templar siding support comment   Carry on.

[Sable Rhapsody]

Way I see it, she was a sheltered Dalish so didn't know much of the world outside her clan. The Dalish you meet in these games (and the books) DGAF about other elves, including those in the circle. They aren't even that kind to their own magic users (in the case of Minaeve). So I don't see it as completely illogical that a Dalish mage wouldn't jump at the chance to go side with Mages. 
I had Niamh look up to Cassandra as her guide throughout her naive beginnings at Haven. So after meeting the weird acting Templars at Orlais and having my Niamh trusting Cass's judgement that something wasn't right - she decided it was best to go see the Templars and find out what was going down. Plus, bossing around the Templars? She'd be so down with that.

I did seriously consider rolling a Trevelyan mage and conscripting the templars for precisely that reason.  Because oh the delicious poetic justice
 
And I do think it's important to remember that what Lavellan knows and what we know are two different things.  As a player, I know where Redcliffe goes without quizzy there to help.  But she doesn't.  She knows that the mages and templars are killing each other and innocent people indiscriminately.  She knows the Chantry is paralyzed.  And she knows she is the only one who can close the Breach, and she has no plan for Redcliffe beyond a desperate gambit.  *I* knew that going to Therinfall would trigger that choice because the game told me  But my Lavellan just figured it'd be easier to ask from help from a bunch of guys in armor than a magister with time magic.  She had no idea that Therinfall would also be FUBAR.
 

Her weird speech to you at Orlais about seeking out the mages isn't all the convincing either. If I hadn't gone in with a mage bias I probably would have sided with the Templars in my first few runs instead of the Mages because of her. I've not read the book she's in so my knowledge of her is limited to what I've read online and her in game appearance. Which isn't great.

I wouldn't say I liked her in the books, but she was fine. Maybe it's just her VA. I found Briala's VA weirdly obnoxious too.