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Guys, important question - how do you name your Lavellans? I'm making a super aggressive Sera-mancing Lavellan (giving up on my Trev mage, she's just too boring), but I'm struggling to think up a good name for her.

 

I usually give my dalish elves Celtic names (my inky's name was Taryn), but an old Nordic name that might suit a tough inky is Eina (which means "fighter" or "one who battles alone").  :)



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Omg drosophila, I've just read your signature. You spoiled this line forever! :D


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Delicious, decadent snark. I always thought of the way Viv banters with Solas as one of her most redeemable qualities in my eyes. 

 

I really like Viv as a character.  Yes, she changes the least of the cast and probably grows the least, but she's a wonderful yardstick for sassy b*tchiness.  


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Considering what we saw in Trespasser, I don't blame Solas at all for feeling the way he does about Bull. Besides, Solas kind of stops being aggressive towards Bull if he becomes Tal-Vasoth.

 

Kind of? He totally changes to bull once he becomes Tal-Vasoth. He goes out of his way to console him an helps him deal with it. He's also one of the few who not only seems like he recognizes how smart Bull is, but can go toe to toe with him. To me it seems like solas actually likes Bull once he's not in the Qun anymore.


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Guys, important question - how do you name your Lavellans? I'm making a super aggressive Sera-mancing Lavellan (giving up on my Trev mage, she's just too boring), but I'm struggling to think up a good name for her.

 

 

I have a small handful of names I usually use for naming my characters.  Lucinia is always the canon name.  How I got that name?  Random name generator in World of Warcraft way back in 2006, lol.  A lot of times it's just something that pops into my head.  I made an Adaar for Sera and ended up calling her Calliope.  Not sure why that popped in my head, but heh I'll take it. 

 

Sometimes for more warrior type characters I use the name Pherenike.  I think it was supposed to mean bringer of victory or something like that.  If I have a personality type and class I know I want my character to be I'll sometimes use name meaning websites and look for something that fits. 



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Oddly, some of the ancient elves from the temple of Mythal fought like rogues or warriors. Was that an oversight? Or perhaps despite being mages many elves choose to learn to fight with blades as well? 
 
But, that actually makes all the sense, how Tevinter, the first true human civilization, was an magocracy. We can assume that most humans were mages as well. So of course, during those times, mages ruled. But it still strikes me as odd how Tevinter have no records whatsoever of the creation of the Veil. One would think that people would write down such an cataclismic event.

  

I don't think it was an oversight, I think that not all elves had enough magical potential to wield it as a weapon, like there are many magic apprentices in Thedas whose magic is just isn't strong enough to be used on the battlefield.
Magic was natural like breathing doesn't not equate to all elves fought with magic.

  

Responding to both above quotes here: there were Sentinels born post-Veil. They would be shemlen. Yes, shemlen Sentinels, with their tendency to sometimes not be mages. Skill difference, and knowledge difference, would also be reasons, but my guess is that even some of the ancient ones lost their magic when the Veil came into being.

Really sad, that.

I have been racking my brain, but I have not been able to come up with plausible theories on how exactly we are going to redeem Solas. He is the strongest opponent yet and knows way more than pretty much everyone on Thedas. He is also incredibly stubborn. It almost feels impossible to oppose him. He can turn everyone into stone by just looking at them. The only thing I can think of is to somehow come up with an alternative way to save the ancient elves. However, it seems pretty weird that Inky can come up with a better idea than someone who knows way more than her.


Just by looking? He didn't even do that much with Vidassala. Just changed her to stone with his back turned to her.

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Kind of? He totally changes to bull once he becomes Tal-Vasoth. He goes out of his way to console him an helps him deal with it. He's also one of the few who not only seems like he recognizes how smart Bull is, but can go toe to toe with him. To me it seems like solas actually likes Bull once he's not in the Qun anymore.

Yes he does.  I had a banter trigger between them once where Solas offered him support when Bull became concerned he'd become a mindless animal without the Qun.

 

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Guys, important question - how do you name your Lavellans? I'm making a super aggressive Sera-mancing Lavellan (giving up on my Trev mage, she's just too boring), but I'm struggling to think up a good name for her.

 

I only have one Lavellan and her name's Asura - like "demons/spirits" from Hindu mythology (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Asura)

 

Aside from just straightforwardly liking the name, back at the time I was "inventing" my elven Inquisitor I was also in the midst of redesigning my own elf OC (not related to Dragon Age in any way) to give her more of a Hindu vibe, hence my Lavellan got "infected" with it as well :)


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I really like Viv as a character.  Yes, she changes the least of the cast and probably grows the least, but she's a wonderful yardstick for sassy b*tchiness.  

 

In the past I disiked her, then grew to appreciate her, and now after Tresspasser I'm slowly beginning to like her more and more, mostly because of her mutual dislike with Solas :D 


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Omg drosophila, I've just read your signature. You spoiled this line forever! :D

 

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I really, truly, and sincerely hope so.  DAI was ambitious.  If money and time were unlimited resources I am sure Hawke would have been done better.  They've already adapted Frostbyte to work for their needs, so I am fairly sure they will have more time to get it right in the next game.  If Inquisitor ends up as an advisor or commander like Leliana or Cullen in the next game I am cool with that.  But I know to temper my expectations.  I try not to get too attached to an idea because it's less of a let down if it doesn't come to pass.  They've got some great momentum going and I just hope they continue to roll with it.

 

I don't think Inky is just going to be an advisor. That wouldn't make much sense considering all the complaints about Hawke and how he/she was out of character. I think the last conversation with Solas and the cutscene after the credits makes me 99% sure that Inky is going to be the protagonist in the next game. It wouldn't make any sense plotwise if he/she isn't going to be the main character.


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Responding to both above quotes here: there were Sentinels born post-Veil. They would be shemlen. Yes, shemlen Sentinels, with their tendency to sometimes not be mages. Skill difference, and knowledge difference, would also be reasons, but my guess is that even some of the ancient ones lost their magic when the Veil came into being.

Really sad, that.


Just by looking? He didn't even do that much with Vidassala. Just changed her to stone with his back turned to her.

 

C'mon you know what my main point is.


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So...I made a new Lavellan. A rogue archer. And somehow she totally represents what I'm thinking right now: "What? Another one?"

She IS the cousin of my main Lavellan, though. And I called her Mirlin "My Blood" - but now I'm always thinking of Merlin when I look at her. :lol:

The plan is to romance Cullen. I don't know if I can manage it, though.

 

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I don't think Inky is just going to be an advisor. That wouldn't make much sense considering all the complaints about Hawke and how he/she was out of character. I think the last conversation with Solas and the cutscene after the credits makes me 99% sure that Inky is going to be the protagonist in the next game. It wouldn't make any sense plotwise if he/she isn't going to be the main character.

 

I'm torn on this one - on one hand they've already considered re-using protagonists, since many things suggest that Hawke was supposed to be the Inquisitor. On another, they seem to be pretty adamant that DA is a story of many characters and multiple protags...

 

On the other OTHER hand I highly doubt they'd give Inky new arc, as well as personal stakes to confront or stop Solas if they didn't plan to use it. It would be such a horrible wasted potential if they just waved it away (or - and I hope this won't happen - would stumble upon too many technical and financial pitfalls to realize their vision).

 

At this point I think double protagonist is probably something we may see - there will be a new DA4 hero and perhaps something of a more localized story/conflict they have to deal with, while Inquisitor will be in charge of pushing the "main" arc of the entire DA story, with their stories intertwining at some crucial points.

 

It would be tricky to create something like it, I realize this even without being a game dev, but I see it as no less tricky than just re-using Inky as protagonist, or starting everything almost from the scratch (both in terms of building a hero or learning of the world or factions in it) with the new one.


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I HATE the knee faces and try to avoid looking at them. 

 

I don't like them much either, but I rarely notice them most times, the last time I played Trespasser I couldn't focus on anything else aside from his lips :P


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I'm torn on this - on one hand they've already considered re-using protagonists, since many things suggest that Hawke was supposed to be the Inquisitor. On another, they seem to be pretty adamant that DA is a story of many characters and multiple protags...

 

On the other OTHER hand I highly doubt they'd give Inky new arc, as well as personal stakes to confront or stop Solas if they didn't plan to use it. It would be such a horrible wasted potential if they just waved it away (or - and I hope this won't happen - would stumble upon too many technical and financial pitfalls to realize their vision).

 

At this point I think double protagonist is probably something we may see - there will be a new DA4 hero and perhaps something of a more localized story/conflict they have to deal with, while Inquisitor will be in charge of pushing the "main" arc of the entire DA story, with their stories intertwining at some crucial points.

 

It would be tricky to create something like it, I realize this even without being a game dev, but I see it as no less tricky than just re-using Inky as protagonist, or starting everything almost from the scratch (both in terms of building a hero or learning of the world or factions in it) with the new one.

 

As always when it comes to bioware games, I hope they make the most logical decisions when it comes to plot, characterization, and game choices. Everything else is secondary. I don't want to deal with the ME3 ending and DA2 inconsistencies again.


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Having a bit of a thought.  Well more like a 'What if?'. 

 

So what if the Evanuris are blighted?  Either through tampering with things they shouldn't have, doing nasty evil **** to gain more power, or creating it.  I am curious what the blight would be like in a pre-Veil world.  Maybe it's even more dangerous.  I'm not sure how Mythal's murder factors in, but it's probably related somehow.  Flemythal is the one that came up with the Dark Ritual right?  Maybe she was going to cleanse them and they killed her?  That also could be why Solas gets really upset at the idea of killing the Old Gods.  Hrmmm.  I'm not sure what the correlation is with the Old Gods and the Evanuris.  This whole thing is probably a wrong line of thinking because as far as we know the Old Gods and the Evanuris are totally not the same thing.  OH WAIT.  The Old Gods could be (I always get it mixed up) the Forgotten or is it Forbidden? Ones.  Where was I going with this?  Right so Solas locked the Evanuris away but the blight got out anyways, because of the Magisters.  Maybe part of what Flemythal wants is to free them to cleanse them.  Yeah I don't know if I think any of this is plausible but it kind of popped into my head.   Sorry, carry on, lol.

 

Check out my thread, I have theories about that if you want a taste of some food for thought.

 

My thread

 

As for the taint itself, it is said that "The Black City taints those spirits foolish enough to draw too close.[9]".

 

Although it corrupts physically, I believe the corruption stems from the soul, corrupting a being's very essence, which is why it can also affect spirits. I think this is why Red Lyrium, unlike normal Lyrium, can affect living beings "psychologically" just by being near it, where no "physical" contact is required.


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I'm torn on this - on one hand they've already considered re-using protagonists, since many things suggest that Hawke was supposed to be the Inquisitor. On another, they seem to be pretty adamant that DA is a story of many characters and multiple protags...

 

On the other OTHER hand I highly doubt they'd give Inky new arc, as well as personal stakes to confront or stop Solas if they didn't plan to use it. It would be such a horrible wasted potential if they just waved it away (or - and I hope this won't happen - would stumble upon too many technical and financial pitfalls to realize their vision).

 

At this point I think double protagonist is probably something we may see - there will be a new DA4 hero and perhaps something of a more localized story/conflict they have to deal with, while Inquisitor will be in charge of pushing the "main" arc of the entire DA story, with their stories intertwining at some crucial points.

 

It would be tricky to create something like it, I realize this even without being a game dev, but I see it as no less tricky than just re-using Inky as protagonist, or starting everything almost from the scratch (both in terms of building a hero or learning of the world or factions in it) with the new one.

 

So I've been kind of thinking about Hawke and the theory they were going to make Hawke the Inquisitor.  Remember before DA2 came out and they kept saying that Hawke was the most important person in Thedas?  Yeah nothing that happened in DA2 would have even come *close* to making Hawke the most important person in Thedas.  However, if Hawke then went on to be the Inquisitor ... then yeah,  the Inquisitor (especially with the Anchor) is definitely the most important person in Thedas (for a time).  So I also believe they were intending to have Hawke be the protagonist of DAI except DA2 did poorly and Hawke was not very well received overall.  If they had planned to reuse a protagonist before (and I know it's just a theory as we don't really know) then I don't see why they wouldn't plan to reuse a protagonist again especially since overall the Inquisitor has been more well received than Hawke.


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Check out my thread, I have theories about that if you want a taste of some food for thought.

 

My thread

 

As for the taint itself, it is said that "The Black City taints those spirits foolish enough to draw too close.[9]".

 

Although it corrupts physically, I believe the corruption stems from the soul, corrupting a beings very essence, which is why it can also affect spirits. I think this is why Red Lyrium, unlike normal Lyrium, can affect living beings "psychologically" just by being near it, where no "physical" contact is required.

 

I read your opening post. It was awesome! I am wondering what your ideas are in regards to how Solas is going to be redeemed or killed in DA4. Any ideas about why he can't save the ancient elves without destroying Thedas?



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Did someone mention Bull/Solas banter?   Their mental chess match is awesome. I enjoyed watching the youtube vid showing the actual chess pieces moving on a board as they talk. 


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Var lath vir suledin = "Our love will endure."  :wub:

 

Literally:

 

Var = "our"

Lath = "love"

Vir = a little tricky, but it roughly means "way" or "path"

Suledin = "Endure." (Think of Suledin Keeper in Emprise du Lion. Suddenly that name makes more sense.)

 

A thousand thanks, my friend.  ^_^


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For those wondering how behave Solas with inquisitors he doesn't really like and why some guys might not like him ( though I suspect that those who literally hate him, it's mainly because he is a ' bad guy ' who lied to the protagonist from the beginning, because people at the end learned his genocidal plans, and we know how genocide is unpopular regardless of the reasons, and the fact that Solas can be so ruthless, not even willing to save the elven people from this time. Also the fact that he sees everyone as mages tranquilized , not something pleasant to hear lmao )  :

 

Solas is not really tolerant with different opinions he disagrees with while he likes to throw some accusations about our narrowness, he is often judgemental about others folks, and he seems to like patronizing as well.  He can be quite agressive and haughty sometime, getting emotional even when he tries to use reason to convince the inquisitor. Obviously, it's his passion that consumates him, but it's still can be considered as annoying by other folks.

 

For example, by just asking a neutral question to Solas, just being curious, he automatically decided to answer with hostility or sarcasm, and I do not think that I lost so many approval points at that point to deserve that tone. My inquisitor just wanted to know more about him. Even before asking him some questions, by just talking to him, Solas can bring himself a subject in an agressive way. With Blackwall, Cassandra, Varric, etc, unless you have a very low approval from them, ( I don't know ), it doesn't happen. 

 

Solas is probably like Vivienne and Morrigan, he can be quite difficult once you disagree with his opinions and ideals, once you lose his respect. But I suppose he is as lovely when it isn't the case.  :P

 

 I love Solas as a character by the way, I love his voice, I absolutely love his design, so I have zero grievances against him myself, as a player, even if my inquisitor would be glad to punch him. I hope we'll see him again, and I really hope that the inquisitor will be able to deal with him and not the new protagonist, at least his point of view would be cool. :unsure: Now, I'm just being honest with what I noticed ( about his flaws ) in my playthrough, I might be wrong though, but this is my opinion. 


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Did someone mention Bull/Solas banter?   Their mental chess match is awesome. I enjoyed watching the youtube vid showing the actual chess pieces moving on a board as they talk. 

 

That is one of my favorite banters in the entire game :) I wandered around aimlessly for sooo long just to finally get the end of it :D


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So I've been kind of thinking about Hawke and the theory they were going to make Hawke the Inquisitor.  Remember before DA2 came out and they kept saying that Hawke was the most important person in Thedas?  Yeah nothing that happened in DA2 would have even come *close* to making Hawke the most important person in Thedas.  However, if Hawke then went on to be the Inquisitor ... then yeah,  the Inquisitor (especially with the Anchor) is definitely the most important person in Thedas (for a time).  So I also believe they were intending to have Hawke be the protagonist of DAI except DA2 did poorly and Hawke was not very well received overall.  If they had planned to reuse a protagonist before (and I know it's just a theory as we don't really know) then I don't see why they wouldn't plan to reuse a protagonist again especially since overall the Inquisitor has been more well received than Hawke.

 

There's more evidence in the story itself, methinks - Hawke WAS supposed to be Inquisitor. Like, in-story: Cassandra was looking for him/her to offer them the very position, back at the time when Justinia was organizing it.

 

Things didn't go as planned (same with Exalted March DLC that was supposed to happened and was even referenced in game by Hawke as reason for his/her departure from Kirkwall) - both in-story and in game dev, hence things went a different route.

 

But now, with DAI being well received, both by critics and players, I really hope they can give us something really special (and very Inky-involving) next time.



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That is one of my favorite banters in the entire game :) I wandered around aimlessly for sooo long just to finally get the end of it :D

 

Yeah, I always expected Solas to be a genius, but the fact that Bull was able to keep up for as long as he did made me pleasantly surprised.