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For example, by just asking a neutral question to Solas, just being curious, he automatically decided to answer with hostility or sarcasm, and I do not think that I lost so many approval points at that point to deserve that tone. My inquisitor just wanted to know more about  him. Even before asking him some questions, by just talking to him, Solas can bring himself a subject in an agressive way. With Blackwall, Cassandra, Varric, etc, unless you have a very low approval from them, ( I don't know ), it doesn't happen.

 

Can you think of a specific example? Just trying to think of what you are describing here.



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Did someone mention Bull/Solas banter?   Their mental chess match is awesome. I enjoyed watching the youtube vid showing the actual chess pieces moving on a board as they talk. 

 

Yeah, I love it and how ironic that Solas sacrificed his queen. That jerk.


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Yeah, I love it and how ironic that Solas sacrificed his queen. That jerk.

 

That's right!

 

Damn that's cold, BioWare. 


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Vivienne deserves it. As for Sera, I thought he seemed actually kind to her.

The worst he did was trying to scare her with the idea that she could be a late bloomer mage, but it didn't sound mean spirited.

Solas is a fairly reasonable person, really. The closest thing I remember to him being an actual jerk is when he calls Varric "Master Tethras" or "Child if the Stone". That kinda rubs me the wrong way.


Child of the stone was just Solas dread wolf showing. Master tethras I saw as a sign of respect

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I read your opening post. It was awesome! I am wondering what your ideas are in regards to how Solas is going to be redeemed or killed in DA4. Any ideas about why he can't save the ancient elves without destroying Thedas?

Lol... Well there are a lot of variables that come into play with that question. The fact that we have very little detailed information about his plans, his past and the very nature of the veil makes this pretty hard to determine. I always try to base my theories on what's been established with concepts either hinted at or made clear through game lore (codices and in-game dialogue).

 

I think his plans are limited by his experiences and his guilt. Perhaps he doesn't want to look for other means, because he sees everything his "pride has wrought" as a mistake that can be undone, something to free him of his shame, to lift the weight of his burden the same way The Fade can lift The Ancient Elvhen People back into what he thinks is their right, their need.

 

Our Inquisitor (at least on friendly terms or in a "healthy relationship" with him) convinces him that the mortals of this world are "real". It' not enough to have him rethink his plan, but it is enough to at least make him help the people to be "comfortable" before the "inevitable" happens. This then gives us hope to perhaps help him see things in a "wider frame" and change his mind about the rest of his plan.

 

If Bioware defines our choices with having at least one option to "redeem" Solas, then I believe we can perhaps make him see the peripherals. That which he is trying to avoid as if wearing blinders, because the more you look, the less detached you are and the more "real" things become, much like your relationship with him. Doubts start weighing on your conscience which starts to erode your determination. Solas can't have that, because he believes his "mission" is ultimately for the "greater good" even though his perceptions are heavily clouded with guilt,remorse and a lack of perspective (being an immortal who just recently came to experience the world as it is now). What's 3 years to someone who's lived for countless millennia? He even says that he hopes we prove him wrong, which, in my opinion, is a sincere statement. This to me is great writing both through world building and characterization which lends more credence and incentive to have the inquisitor come back as a protagonist.

 

Anyways, I hope that answers your question? I'm not all that precise but that's because like everyone else, there's a lot of things I'm not aware of ;)


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Ooh! Concept artist released the full versions of Solas's murals.

 

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YAY!!!!!!1



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snip

 

Anyways, I hope that answers your question? I'm not all that precise but that's because like everyone else, there's a lot of things I'm not aware of ;)

 

Yeah, I was thinking along the same lines. I am wondering what it is going to think for Solas to broaden his mind. He's already been in the modern world for 4 years now and he's still stubborn about his plan. I'm looking forward to seeing what Bioware comes up with.



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Can you think of a specific example? Just trying to think of what you are describing here.

 

I don't remember what for example I genuily asked about him, but he answered with sarcasm and hostility, my inquisitor had several choices, I took the option that said something close, to " watch your tone Solas " and he answered something close to" what are you going to do, inquisitor, I don't think you re going to attack the only one who can help you with the breach "

 

Obviously, what I'm saying isn't at all his words, and the sarcasm is totally lost but this is something like that, and franckly I absolutely loved what he answered to me while my inquisitor was furious. I laughed. XD ( that was very smart and very well said. ) 

 

I didn't really understand how we went that far so quickly though lol. 



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I want him to actually shapeshift into that in DA4. 


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I want him to actually shapeshift into that in DA4. 

 

Yes! Bioware owes me a wolf. 


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Britta?

Also you can take pictures by pressing the share button for a second or two (you can also config to make it a short press = screenshot).

I was just about to mention this as well :) There is a "Share" button on the left hand side of the PS4 controller. You can save screenshots and videos or upload them to a few social networks.


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Yeah, I was thinking along the same lines. I am wondering what it is going to think for Solas to broaden his mind. He's already been in the modern world for 4 years now and he's still stubborn about his plan. I'm looking forward to seeing what Bioware comes up with.

I think it took Mythal a long time to have a different perspective on her own actions.

 

Being bonded with Flemeth for centuries and before that "crawling and clawing her way through the ages" I think helped quite a bit. Now compare that to Solas' own experiences and ask yourself again, what is 4 years to someone who lived in a "timeless" world and who was effectively "immortal".

 

What changes these beings' minds are the people that inhabit the world, not how long they've been there. Remember that where they come from, in a time before the veil. it was will that garnered change, not the passage of time.

 

Mythal was changed because of Flemeth, her betrayal and her suffering.

 

Solas' view of the people of Thedas changed because of who we were to him as a person, not because of the time he spent awake on Thedas, but because of who he spent it with.

 

Also, I'm mentioning Mythal not only as a good tool for comparison, but also (as I posted on this thread before) because I believe Mythal's plans were designed to outlast her and that they will definitely affect Solas' own plans, with one player being key... Morrigan'nan.

 

Edit: Oh, and for those who wonder why I always refer to Morrigan as Morrigan'nan when talking about Mythal's plans for her, well it's because of the tale of Tyrdda Bright-Axe. I believe the "Laughing Lady of The Skies" is Mythal and not Andruil as a lot would believe.

 

Here is an exert from my "The tale of Tyrdda Bright-Axe, Explained" thread"

 

the Seventh stanza of the tale is what had caught my eye long ago and wherein lies the detail which reinforces my beliefs on the subject.

 

Seventh stanza:

 

Tyrdda Bright-Axe, Dwarf-Friend Chieftain, with her leaf-eared lover lay, (Tyrdda slept with her lover, but this part is interesting, it's been ambiguous throughout the ballad whether the leaf-eared lover is a spirit, is bonded with Tyrdda like Flemyth and Mythal or is a separate figure, an actual elf presumably bonded to Mythal).

 

Woke she did to love-sweat morning, lover gone in light of day. (Again this brings up the same question, this seems to imply the leaf-eared lover was actually a separate person, though it could easily be interpreted as Mythal's essence leaving Tyrdda's body. Their relationship could be experienced through The Fade when Tyrdda is sleeping which would explain her surprise when she wakes up and her lover is "gone". It would be a very weird relationship to have however, if you shared the same body as your paramour physically, but experienced the relationship as separate entities when in The Fade. I guess it would be an extremely intimate relationship however and given we don't know the dynamics behind such a union I'll end my speculation on the subject here, it's getting weird again :P)

 

Dream-words whispered, spoken soft, still the silence crushed and crashing, (Here I believe Mythal is basically explaining why she can't be with Tyrdda, effectively breaking up with her, speaking to her from The Fade. Kind of a shitty move, like breaking up with someone on the phone.. but Mythal probably thought that Tyrdda would try and stop her, so I understand why she'd do it this way. Of course Tyrdda is devastated. The silence crushed and crashing could refer to Tyrdda's emotional reaction or it could also reference her feeling after losing Mythal's essence, if she was in a Flemythal type situation).

 

Dead her tribe, unless a child could keep her line in warrior fashion. (Because of their traditions, Tyrdda needs an heir for succession. Whether Mythal was a spirit or had a body, she was a women and therefore could not produce children. Tyrdda needed a man for the sake of her tribe, in order to keep them united in strength.

 

Aval'var, so named the lover, called "our journey, yours and mine," Their journey was to be the foundation of their new tribe, what had made them strong, it was fit to be named as such and so, the Avvar were born. The name could indicate the elf was in fact a physical entity who either was bonded with Mythal or was perhaps an ancient Elvhen priestess).

 

One day child of Tyrdda's blood, Morrighan'nan, in strength must shine. (Another hint that Mythal was the lover, as she wanted Tyrdda's child to be named Morrighan'nan... Morrigan.)

 

Lover's whispers to obey, Hendir, dwarf-prince, friend in passion, (Hendir, a good friend of Tyrdda's was asked to be the man to sire her child)

 

Babe produced to serve the line, The Avvar tribe, her name, our taking. (The child would be the product of a Dwarven/human union, coaxed by an Elvhen god... interesting! The tribe would hold "her" name, theirs to keep.


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The Solas Romance in one song

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honestly, one of my biggest hopes is that in DA4 we will finally see Solas in wolf form. I am crossing my fingers for something gigantic and terrifying and astounding and maybe slightly demonic. At least, I presume given that shapeshifting was probably much more common in ancient times (Kieran hints at this in his first dialogue with lavellan, and it would explain why Morrigan was taught to do so), so I'd guess the 'wolf' part of the Dread Wolf is somewhat literal.


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The mind wizards at Bioware are blowing my mind again. Still reading WoT:2 slowly but surely and came across an entry on Zathriel as they pondered his immortality. The last paragraph is particularly pertinent I feel to Solas.

It can be argued that an immortal would have to be distant, or eventually all it would know is loss. What would our world lokk like to such a creature? What actions would they be capable of when everything except themselves is fleeting and therefore of little relevance to eternity? If we as elvhen discover a path back to what we were, we must be sure that the path is wide enough for all. For the individual who stumbles I to that journey, who endures when all else is dust, can only be alone. - Keeper Ilan'ta, for among the haren'al as they gathered for Arlathvhen.

Solas. We're going to find a wider path. You don't have to be alone.
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I don't remember what for example I genuily asked about him, but he answered with sarcasm and hostility, my inquisitor had several choices, I took the option that said something close, to " watch your tone Solas " and he answered something close to" what are you going to do, inquisitor, I don't think you re going to attack the only one who can help you with the breach "

 

He's even a little standoffish (not outright hostile) at the very beginning.  When you pick the "tell me about yourself" option, he says, "...why?" in this very wary tone of voice.  It was really funny with my Adaar, who just wanted to be bros with everyone :D

 

 

So I've been kind of thinking about Hawke and the theory they were going to make Hawke the Inquisitor.  Remember before DA2 came out and they kept saying that Hawke was the most important person in Thedas?  Yeah nothing that happened in DA2 would have even come *close* to making Hawke the most important person in Thedas.  However, if Hawke then went on to be the Inquisitor ... then yeah,  the Inquisitor (especially with the Anchor) is definitely the most important person in Thedas (for a time).  So I also believe they were intending to have Hawke be the protagonist of DAI except DA2 did poorly and Hawke was not very well received overall.  If they had planned to reuse a protagonist before (and I know it's just a theory as we don't really know) then I don't see why they wouldn't plan to reuse a protagonist again especially since overall the Inquisitor has been more well received than Hawke.

 

Out of likes, but thank you for giving me hope for playing quizzy again <3


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I think it took Mythal a long time to have a different perspective on her own actions.

 

Being bonded with Flemeth for centuries and before that "crawling and clawing her way through the ages" I think helped quite a bit. Now compare that to Solas' own experiences and ask yourself again, what is 4 years to someone who lived in a "timeless" world and who was effectively "immortal".

 

What changes these beings' minds are the people that inhabit the world, not how long they've been there. Remember that where they come from, in a time before the veil. it was will that garnered change, not the passage of time.

 

Mythal was changed because of Flemeth, her betrayal and her suffering.

 

Solas' view of the people of Thedas changed because of who we were to him as a person, not because of the time he spent awake on Thedas, but because of who he spent it with.

 

Also, I'm mentioning Mythal not only as a good tool for comparison, but also (as I posted on this thread before) because I believe Mythal's plans were designed to outlast her and that they will definitely affect Solas' own plans, with one player being key... Morrigan'nan.

 

With your explanation, that means it's possible that Lavellan will get to spend a lot of time with Solas in the next game. heheheh


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I don't remember what for example I genuily asked about him, but he answered with sarcasm and hostility, my inquisitor had several choices, I took the option that said something close, to " watch your tone Solas " and he answered something close to" what are you going to do, inquisitor, I don't think you re going to attack the only one who can help you with the breach "

 

Obviously, what I'm saying isn't at all his words, and the sarcasm is totally lost but this is something like that, and franckly I absolutely loved what he answered to me while my inquisitor was furious. I laughed. XD ( that was very smart and very well said. ) 

 

I didn't really understand how we went that far so quickly though lol. 

 

Oh interesting. I was wondering because the only times I can remember him getting snippy with me when I asked him something was when the question was kind of bitchy/passive aggressive in the first place. I can't think of a time where there was a question earnestly asked he got snippy about.



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Trespasser spoilers below.

 

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I was so angry at him at first that I wanted to pick all those options. But then my desire for a happy ending made me pick the other option. I think he's redeemable.



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Yeah, the game treats you like high-approval friendship quizzy if you pick the stabbity options.  I want that to be a boss fight, but I want it like Saren where it can be a straight-up fight, or more of a social boss fight depending on the quizzy.

 

 

Oh interesting. I was wondering because the only times I can remember him getting snippy with me when I asked him something was when the question was kind of bitchy/passive aggressive in the first place. I can't think of a time where there was a question earnestly asked he got snippy about.

 

Dalish culture  :rolleyes:



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FoTC <3

Being a New Zealander automatically pardons you of any sort of "forum-crime" you've done in the past.

 

Not guilty! :blush:.

 

While I was going to sleep I had another question: do you think Solas had any literal brothers or sisters? :?.