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[AutumnOracle]

I'm sure this has been discussed to death, but has it been confirmed that his tarot card represents the heirophant? I read a very good analysis that states that his card has more in common with the elements of the fool. (fool is not being used in a derogatory manner in the tarot reading)

 

http://maabelasdarut...t-card-has-been

Yes, I'm reminded of peacocks as well. While I was playing the game, I couldn't help but get the impression that the artists may have been looking at images of things that scare people for inspiration and ran into fear of clustered holes or trypophobia. It's not a disorder that's made it into the DSM or anything but many people claim to have it. When the giant spider monster showed up in the fade, elements of its design reminded me of the lotus pod pictures that people with trypohobia really hate. Here's an example (don't look if you hate clustered holes):

 

Spoiler

 

People that claim to have this disorder sometimes don't like peacock feathers as well. So,perhaps the portion of the image that resembles peacock feathers is also supposed to inspire fear or disgust in the viewer. If that's the case, it's ominous as the peacock feather looking things are surrounding what looks like something 'good'. Perhaps it's the golden city surrounded by the blight or something.

 

Image of peacock feathers and Solas' pic:

Spoiler

 

I hadn't read the breakdown of the Fool vs. Hierophant in a while.  I don't think it was this conclusive last time I looked.  I'm happy I looked back some pages in the thread today

[Sah291]

About peacock feathers and eyes....Reminds me of Argus and the Greek Goddess Hera. Mythal certainly seems to have a touch of influence from Hera/Juno (among other influences). The political cunning, being a protector, rebelling against her lover/husband, being betrayed, justice, jealousy/vengance, etc. Just thought that was interesting.

[Shari'El]

Since people are sharing their dreams, I'll share a weird one from two days ago.

 

I was walking around, it was a desert area, with possibly an oasis in the middle (since there were parts with overgrown vegetation).

Looking around at the sand I saw peculiar rocks, I can't recall how they looked like but I'm almost positive I was affected by Rebel Doughnut, since I recognized the rocks as herb rocks(????). I turned around abruptly, and behind me was an outdoors café (I saw wooden tables with wooden chairs around them, not sure how it was considered a café) and ran to the closest table and hugged the person sitting at the table, by miracle I was correct and it was Solas (it makes sense! Only he creates herb rocks! Who else would put herbs inside rocks? His herb rocks are the tastiest rocks ever), he put his hand on my arm and smiled while I was beaming with joy, "I missed you so much, I was worried!" I said.

 

I don't remember what happened next.

[maia0407]

I kind of 'warmed up' to Blinky. Now he doesn't bother me THAT much anymore. It's still uncomfortable, but it's a spider so many eyes are kind of expected. I only had one real episode caused by Trypophobia before - due to a really nasty image on facebook. My skin itched for the next two hours and I couldn't get the image out of my mind, so I watched television to distract me. Still, my breathing was a little irregular, I constantly scratched myself and I started sweating. Definitely not funny. I just cannot understand why it isn't classified as a real phobia.

I've read that trypophobia is being researched and that psychologists think it's an instinctive response to danger. As in, some of the holes look like diseased flesh or dangerous animals, like the blue ring octopus, that we should instinctively avoid. It seems that this response might be exaggerated in some people. I imagine at some point it might get put in the DSM under anxiety disorders or something (not really familiar with how the DSM classification system works). At any rate, science is often a slow process; more research probably needs to be done to properly define the disorder.

[AutumnOracle]

I said it before and ill say it again ,so far Bioware always let the choice if someone gonna die or no to us...

Loghein first... someone they made you dislike , but someone you dont really know , who kill ppl you dont know . It didnt really felt personal

Then Anders, someone you got to know, or even love, on of your own companions killed so many ppl , this time Bioware made it personal . And the choice is yours.

Then Blackwall ( i know he cant really be compared but it felt even more personal somehow , may be cuz he was lying from the beginning)

Then they clue us that we may be able to save solas, i do not think they will do this unless they indeed intend to give us the option to save him.

 

100% Agree.

 

There will be a choice.  I'm sure for some people death will make the most sense.  

 

I will make sacrifices to keep Solas alive. That's the ending I want not eternal fade blah blah.  No offense fade blah blah...that's just such a saccharine sweet ending. There's no living with the mistakes you made and actually trying to find real solutions.  I loved the Blackwall ending so much but it was the ending that required you forgiving him and letting him live his life to repent for his mistakes.  Hard but rewarding.

[CapricornSun]

Saw this on Tumblr. Has this been shared yet? Disney meets Dragon Age: Inquisition.

 

Source: http://dopeybeauty.t...age-inquisition

 

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[Eurowande]

I keep dreaming of Solas but i can never remember what exactly, it slips from my mind seconds after i wake up , and i can recall only images . Its frustrating to know i dream of him and to not be able to recall what the dream was about.... 

[NightSymphony]

I keep dreaming of Solas but i can never remember what exactly, it slips from my mind seconds after i wake up , and i can recall only images . Its frustrating to know i dream of him and to not be able to recall what the dream was about.... 

This is probably how Lavellan feels.

[Ardent Blossom]

Last night I was drifting off while my husband was playing through meeting Dorian in Redcliffe. He decided to engage my sleepy brain in lore discussion, and I came up with a new theory.

 

How Solas could still be Shartan: A Time Pretzel

 

The Inquisitor is actually Andraste. Yes, I know Andraste is female, but legends get twisted over time. The stained glass windows in Redcliffe weren't put into the game for no reason. 

 

Why would the Inquisitor come to be known as Andraste, the Jesus figure of the Chantry? Varric's book about the Inquisition! Varric's book could become the Chant of Light. The language in it could have evolved over the centuries due to translation in and out of ancient Tevene. 

 

Since we are going to Tevinter in DA4 maybe we'll get mixed up in time magic again and boom! Time pretzel. If we're lucky we'll get to have that alleged affair with Shartan too.

 

Getting really crazy: Maybe instead the PC is a voice Andraste hears in her head when she entered her trance-like state. The PC in DA4 could be controlling/sending messages to Andraste (that could be the 2 different PCs angle). I really think the Andrastian faith is going to be picked apart just like the Dalish faith was in DA4. It's only fair.

 

Okay, enough crazy.

 

[CapricornSun]

Regarding dreams, there was only one time I dreamed of Solas. I don't remember if this was after the release of the Trespasser trailer or after I've watched the stream of DLC, but I was at church and I was dozing off during the priest's sermon (religious folks please don't judge me D:) and I had a short little dream of Trespasser!Solas just looking at me sadly.

 

Then I woke up.

 

Yeah, that's all there was to it. Nothing amazing or anything. It would've been great if he said told me to "Wake up." 

[Moondreamer01]

I agree, I think something is up with that. Something isn't right. In DAI, he is adamately opposed to drinking from the Well, doesn't want Quizzy to drink, persuaded Abelas to leave, and later after the Well, calls Mythal a "creature" when you ask him about what the Elven Gods were. Now all of a sudden, he is all pro Mythal again...Mythal was the "best" of them, etc. If you drink from the Well, Mythal apparently knew the password to the sanctuary. So I'm thinking he's still under her control again somehow. He is still himself apparently. But, he did absorb her power after all and we don't really know what kind of effect it is having on his mind. Maybe Mythal was once a force for good, but has fallen now that she is hell bent on vengeance for her murder. Explains why he seemed both sympathetic and suspicious of her at the same time. I don't know, I just think there is a lot more going on that we don't know.

Hmmm, I wasn't quite thinking of it as Mythal having influence over Solas per se. More like wearing the guardian's armor was symbolic for him, a way to remind himself of where he comes from : he is an ancient elf, removed from the present. He was a guardian of Mythal at some point and can't forget what he fought for and the reasons for his present guilt. The armor is a way of putting "Solas" aside and be "Fen'Harel" once more. Also, it looks snazzy on him

 

Your explanation might end up being the right one though, I'm just not convinced that Mythal's influence, if it exist, is quite that direct. She's nothing if not subtle in how she influences the world, after all.

[AllThatJazz]

I said it before and ill say it again ,so far Bioware always let the choice if someone gonna die or no to us...

Loghein first... someone they made you dislike , but someone you dont really know , who kill ppl you dont know . It didnt really felt personal

Then Anders, someone you got to know, or even love, on of your own companions killed so many ppl , this time Bioware made it personal . And the choice is yours.

Then Blackwall ( i know he cant really be compared but it felt even more personal somehow , may be cuz he was lying from the beginning)

Then they clue us that we may be able to save solas, i do not think they will do this unless they indeed intend to give us the option to save him.

I agree, and hope you're right. I think PW is basically making us 'earn our happy ending' (we know he's a fan of this). I think if it was completely doomed, we wouldn't be given the chance, over and over, to break off the romance or maintain it - I think saving Solas will require commitment on the part of our Lavellans, and possibly more heartache, but I think his death, at this point, is not inevitable. Though I think most of the outcomes will lead to his death, I think there will be a way to save him. Yes it might involve the Inquisitor doing something questionable, but I have at least one Quizzy who will be just dandy with that. Patrick Weekes's characters tend to have outcomes that vary, based on the logical consequences of our actions, and I sincerely hope that he doesn't go the 'only way is death' route, because that wouldn't give me any feels other than annoyed 'well, I'm not doing that again' ones. Optional death = good. Enforced death as the only outcome because tragedy = bad. In my opinion, obviously

[CapricornSun]

Well, here's a Solas gif courtesy of solas-an. 

 

Source: http://solas-an.tumb...t-this-for-ages

 

[Shari'El]

I already said why I don't like death as redemption and what I think would happen

http://forum.bioware...one/?p=19725621

 

In my eyes a perfect ending for Solas & Lavellan would be a slide showing two cloaked figures from afar along with the description of them traveling Thedas, imparting knowledge and wisdom to all those who will hear, while trying to fix what ever scar the sundering of the Veil left.

"There are reports of sightings of a woman looking like the previous Inquisitor and her elven lover, helping those in need and teaching elven to elves."

"One day they are spotted in Tevinter, helping the now free slaves, the other day near the Brecilian Forest."

"The reports always the describe the two as inseparable, sharing meaningful expressions and little words, their spirits constantly circling one another."

And perhaps a slide of Solas with a sincere smile...

 

ahem

I'm really sappy right now, forgive me.

[NightSymphony]

*stares at that gif for hours..drooling* 

[Moondreamer01]

I already said why I don't like death as redemption and what I think would happen

http://forum.bioware...one/?p=19725621

 

In my eyes a perfect ending for Solas & Lavellan would be a slide showing two cloaked figures from afar along with the description of them traveling Thedas, imparting knowledge and wisdom to all those who will hear, while trying to fix what ever scar the sundering of the Veil left.

"There are reports of sightings of a woman looking like the previous Inquisitor and her elven lover, helping those in need and teaching elven to elves."

"One day they are spotted in Tevinter, helping the now free slaves, the other day near the Brecilian Forest."

"The reports always the describe the two as inseparable, sharing meaningful expressions and little words, their spirits constantly circling one another."

And perhaps a slide of Solas with a sincere smile...

 

ahem

I'm really sappy right now, forgive me.

I love your sappy headcanon and I approve!  Lavellan and Solas as teachers of a new era for Thedas. I love it!

[drosophila]

I already said why I don't like death as redemption and what I think would happen
http://forum.bioware...one/?p=19725621

In my eyes a perfect ending for Solas & Lavellan would be a slide showing two cloaked figures from afar along with the description of them traveling Thedas, imparting knowledge and wisdom to all those who will hear, while trying to fix what ever scar the sundering of the Veil left.
"There are reports of sightings of a woman looking like the previous Inquisitor and her elven lover, helping those in need and teaching elven to elves."
"One day they are spotted in Tevinter, helping the now free slaves, the other day near the Brecilian Forest."
"The reports always the describe the two as inseparable, sharing meaningful expressions and little words, their spirits constantly circling one another."
And perhaps a slide of Solas with a sincere smile...

ahem
I'm really sappy right now, forgive me.

I like this so much!

[Sah291]

Hmmm, I wasn't quite thinking of it as Mythal having influence over Solas per se. More like wearing the guardian's armor was symbolic for him, a way to remind himself of where he comes from : he is an ancient elf, removed from the present. He was a guardian of Mythal at some point and can't forget what he fought for and the reasons for his present guilt. The armor is a way of putting "Solas" aside and be "Fen'Harel" once more. Also, it looks snazzy on him
 
Your explanation might end up being the right one though, I'm just not convinced that Mythal's influence, if it exist, is quite that direct. She's nothing if not subtle in how she influences the world, after all.

Well if she is indeed controlling him I agree it's would probably be indirect/subtle. Remember what he says if you drink from the well, how everything you do will be for her, whether you know it or not. So could be like that. He thinks he is doing this for himself, but subconsciously is bound to her will or something. Remember Mythal is the one who wants vengeance on the world, and also wanted control of Skyhold/Inquisition (which Morrigan says she gets if you drink from the well). She also wants to save the elves. Solas was so distraught about how spirits were turning into demons due to the shock of the breach. Now all of sudden he wants to do that all over to them all? Doesn't add up. Unless he's just crazy/desperate now that he thinks he is running out of time, because something worse is about to happen.

[Moondreamer01]

Well if she is indeed controlling him I agree it's would probably be indirect/subtle. Remember what he says if you drink from the well, how everything you do will be for her, whether you know it or not. So could be like that. He thinks he is doing this for himself, but subconsciously is bound to her will or something. Remember Mythal is the one who wants vengeance on the world, and also wanted control of Skyhold/Inquisition (which Morrigan says she gets if you drink from the well). She also wants to save the elves. Solas was so distraught about how spirits were turning into demons due to the shock of the breach. Now all of sudden he wants to do that all over to them all? Doesn't add up. Unless he's just crazy/desperate now that he thinks he is running out of time, because something worse is about to happen.

I wouldn't put his plan on Mythal's shoulders. From everything he tells us, it's been his plan all along, possibly from before he actually woke from uthenera. Unless he's been subtly influenced by Mythal since ancient times, which... would actually not be totally impossible if the theory that he was "hers" at some point is true.

[Ardent Blossom]

I agree, and hope you're right. I think PW is basically making us 'earn our happy ending' (we know he's a fan of this). I think if it was completely doomed, we wouldn't be given the chance, over and over, to break off the romance or maintain it - I think saving Solas will require commitment on the part of our Lavellans, and possibly more heartache, but I think his death, at this point, is not inevitable. Though I think most of the outcomes will lead to his death, I think there will be a way to save him. Yes it might involve the Inquisitor doing something questionable, but I have at least one Quizzy who will be just dandy with that. Patrick Weekes's characters tend to have outcomes that vary, based on the logical consequences of our actions, and I sincerely hope that he doesn't go the 'only way is death' route, because that wouldn't give me any feels other than annoyed 'well, I'm not doing that again' ones. Optional death = good. Enforced death as the only outcome because tragedy = bad. In my opinion, obviously

Agreed. Optional death=good mandatory death=bad...especially when they build it up as if it isn't inevitable. Like baiting people in Lair of the Shadow Broker with info on Thane and lung transplants.

 

I don't mind having to work for my happy ending. In fact struggle and misery on the path toward a goal makes the pay off that much more rewarding. It's as true in RL as it is in Dragon Age. I'm just not accustomed to that sort of long game in Bioware narratives. It's not like they let us save Thane if we did just the right things and never gave up. If PW does intend to provide some meaningful pay off in the end for those of us stay committed to the romantic saga of Solas I will be very impressed and might actually start buying his darn books.

[Miss This or That]

"All across Thedas reports of two cloaked figures, rumored to be elven, have started to appear. Not much is known about the strangers, though they speak with wisdom and share looks of mutual acceptance. They do not linger in one place for too long, and seem to vanish whenever someone tries to learn more about them. Dalish clans claim to finally understand their lost language again, and eagerly begin to built countless versions of the two figures carved out of stone. Whoever they are we might not ever know, though one cannot deny their love for each other."

 

I really like this thought. Great idea, Shari'El. ...please give us something like this, yes.

[Shari'El]

I like this so much!

 

I love your sappy headcanon and I can certainly adhere to them   Lavellan and Solas as teachers of a new era for Thedas. I love it!

 

Now imagine the slides with the theme song of the Dread Wolf (the gentle parts), I wrote it to these sounds.

It makes me fluttery.

 

Funny thing is that when my boyfriend is being cheesy (and he is the epitome of cheesiness, so.. that happens a lot) I cringe (I then pat him and tell him he is cute), but I can't help myself from wanting a sappy ending for them...

I think Solas dedicating himself to "giving wisdom, not orders" is a great way of redeeming himself   .

 

More than my Lavellan I want this guy to be happy, his guilt weighs him down sooo much, he is a really tragic character.

[BoscoBread]

Whatever happens to Solas is likely what everyone will get unless his story is done and this "iteration"(time period) of Dragon Age is done. The reason being, he's TOO major to just leave as a loose thread.  Unless he is stripped of his power, he would have to show up again - at least in some "god hand" type capacity in later games.  Even stripped, he's too important and has impacted the world too much to just be like 'oh la la la he's just booping around'.  It would be like 'right. bioware."  "what about Anders!.askjdk" you say, well the revolution was not really about Anders.  And it wasn't really started by Anders, he was just a cog in the wheel of that thing as it turns out.  So he doesn't need to show up.  But Solas is way too major. Too important.

 

As much as choice is awesome, Bioware HAS to force canon on certain things to make the story less unwieldy.  So you don't have so many branching paths that they have to deal with down the line.   And also so they can tell a compelling story.  That doesn't mean it's forced death. I'm just saying, whatever happens LIKELY will be what happens to everybody.

[CapricornSun]

I already said why I don't like death as redemption and what I think would happen

http://forum.bioware...one/?p=19725621

 

In my eyes a perfect ending for Solas & Lavellan would be a slide showing two cloaked figures from afar along with the description of them traveling Thedas, imparting knowledge and wisdom to all those who will hear, while trying to fix what ever scar the sundering of the Veil left.

"There are reports of sightings of a woman looking like the previous Inquisitor and her elven lover, helping those in need and teaching elven to elves."

"One day they are spotted in Tevinter, helping the now free slaves, the other day near the Brecilian Forest."

"The reports always the describe the two as inseparable, sharing meaningful expressions and little words, their spirits constantly circling one another."

And perhaps a slide of Solas with a sincere smile...

 

ahem

I'm really sappy right now, forgive me.

 

I really love this! If an ending like this actually happened I would be very happy!

 

Bioware! Weekes! Please make this a thing! 

 

Pretty please? No? D:

[Ardent Blossom]

I already said why I don't like death as redemption and what I think would happen

http://forum.bioware...one/?p=19725621

 

In my eyes a perfect ending for Solas & Lavellan would be a slide showing two cloaked figures from afar along with the description of them traveling Thedas, imparting knowledge and wisdom to all those who will hear, while trying to fix what ever scar the sundering of the Veil left.

"There are reports of sightings of a woman looking like the previous Inquisitor and her elven lover, helping those in need and teaching elven to elves."

"One day they are spotted in Tevinter, helping the now free slaves, the other day near the Brecilian Forest."

"The reports always the describe the two as inseparable, sharing meaningful expressions and little words, their spirits constantly circling one another."

And perhaps a slide of Solas with a sincere smile...

 

ahem

I'm really sappy right now, forgive me.

Why am I still out of likes?! Anyway, a like would not have sufficed. I love this!