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[FernRain]

http://fenharegg.tumblr.com/post/129576814924/guys-check-this-out-im-pretty-sure-that-the

Ooh look. Solas fresco of the wolf looks like his self portrait.

[drosophila]

I wouldn't put his plan on Mythal's shoulders. From everything he tells us, it's been his plan all along, possibly from before he actually woke from uthenera. Unless he's been subtly influenced by Mythal since ancient times, which... would actually not be totally impossible if the theory that he was "hers" at some point is true.

@291 as well, this would be an easy way out for him, but somehow I like it. There's some tragedy in the idea that the rebel who fought for freedom was not truly free all along. What he said about being Mythal's creature whether you know it or not has been bugging me and you provide a good explanation.

Maybe if Inky drank from the well, they end up helping Solas with his plan, even if both of them think it's a bad idea, and they don't realize they're being manipulated until is too late. Otherwise, inky can do something to break Solas' compulsion if they choose to redeem him.

I'm having to Swype this from my phone, because my computer won't let me log in to the forum. I can read everything you write but not respond. It's torture.

[Ardent Blossom]

Whatever happens to Solas is likely what everyone will get unless his story is done and this "iteration"(time period) of Dragon Age is done. The reason being, he's TOO major to just leave as a loose thread.  Unless he is stripped of his power, he would have to show up again - at least in some "god hand" type capacity in later games.  Even stripped, he's too important and has impacted the world too much to just be like 'oh la la la he's just booping around'.  It would be like 'right. bioware."  "what about Anders!.askjdk" you say, well the revolution was not really about Anders.  And it wasn't really started by Anders, he was just a cog in the wheel of that thing as it turns out.  So he doesn't need to show up.  But Solas is way too major. Too important.

 

As much as choice is awesome, Bioware HAS to force canon on certain things to make the story less unwieldy.  So you don't have so many branching paths that they have to deal with down the line.   And also so they can tell a compelling story.  That doesn't mean it's forced death. I'm just saying, whatever happens LIKELY will be what happens to everybody.

That's true. The trouble with branching paths is always fresh in my mind when doing Bioware theorizing. However, if Solas not only lost his god powers but also started aging for some reason then it would not be an issue. In the next story they could just skip ahead until after he'd be dead. Then if Solas was executed/sacrificed himself in some play throughs or was left alive in others it wouldn't matter much.  

[Ghost Gal]

Before the topic of dreaming about Solas is too far gone... 

 

1. Nearly every night for a week after Trespasser came out, I had recurring dreams where I searched desperately through eluvians and Shattered Libraries and Fade realms and crowds of spirits and elves and ancient elves trying to find Solas. Sometimes I caught up to him, and he was always facing away from me. The most I ever did was touch his shoulder, and then he would fade into mist.

 

2. This one is much cuter and sweeter. The night before last, I had a dream that some human noble enemies of the Inquisition and Red Jenny decided to take down the leaders of both (I know, it's a dream, run with it) by using an ancient elven magic ritual to cause them to switch bodies. Sera was on a Red Jenny run while they did, so since my girl is a mage who barely knows how to use a bow, she got caught, arrested, and dragged off to Orlais.

 

Eventually both girls got used to their new bodies and adapted to their new roles; Sera used her guise as the Inquisitor to make the sorts of changes she wanted on the world (kicking "elfy elves" to the curb and taking down nobles, even allies of the Inquisition) and my girl used Red Jenny resources to track down the source of the body-switching magic while making her way back to Skyhold.

 

While the other advisers found the Inquisitor's recent behavior very odd, Solas alone realized that something was very wrong. When my girl finally got back, most of the advisers didn't believe her when she tried to explain the body switch, figuring it was just another of Sera's prank. Solas alone believed her, and basically stepped forward and told the advisers where to stick it.

 

After the switched Lavellan and Sera met up again, and the former convinced the latter why she should want to change back (long story), my Lavellan (with Sera's body and voice) and Solas had a heart-to-heart, where she basically warned him that this might not even work and she could be stuck like this forever, and asked him, "Even though I look like Sera, and have her voice... even if I never regain my magic or my connection to the Fade [from the mark]... could you still love me?" And he does that thing Solas does where he's so loving and accepting, and says words to the effect of, "Of course, Vhenan. You don't even need to ask. You still have that marvelous spirit. Looking and sounding like Sera does not change that."

 

And she looked like she wanted to cry from happiness, and the two embraced all cute and lovingly...

 

Then I woke up.   

[Fisva]

I agree, I think something is up with that. Something isn't right. In DAI, he is adamately opposed to drinking from the Well, doesn't want Quizzy to drink, persuaded Abelas to leave, and later after the Well, calls Mythal a "creature" when you ask him about what the Elven Gods were. Now all of a sudden, he is all pro Mythal again...Mythal was the "best" of them, etc. If you drink from the Well, Mythal apparently knew the password to the sanctuary. So I'm thinking he's still under her control again somehow. He is still himself apparently. But, he did absorb her power after all and we don't really know what kind of effect it is having on his mind. Maybe Mythal was once a force for good, but has fallen now that she is hell bent on vengeance for her murder. Explains why he seemed both sympathetic and suspicious of her at the same time. I don't know, I just think there is a lot more going on that we don't know.

 

I just wonder if this is Mythal's "soul" that Solas now carries, or maybe he was somehow tricked by Flemeth/Mythal and took the "soul" of Urthemiel? In the epilogue, Flemythal touches the eluvian and it looks as if she was sending one soul through it, and another is being taken by Solas.

[Shari'El]

Agreed. Optional death=good mandatory death=bad...especially when they build it up as if it isn't inevitable. Like baiting people in Lair of the Shadow Broker with info on Thane and lung transplants.

 

I don't mind having to work for my happy ending. In fact struggle and misery on the path toward a goal makes the pay off that much more rewarding. It's as true in RL as it is in Dragon Age. I'm just not accustomed to that sort of long game in Bioware narratives. It's not like they let us save Thane if we did just the right things and never gave up. If PW does intend to provide some meaningful pay off in the end for those of us stay committed to the romantic saga of Solas I will be very impressed and might actually start buying his darn books.

 

I like reminding people how Patrick Weekes wanted to save Thane

[Ajna]

I like reminding people how Patrick Weekes wanted to save Thane

 

Me too

[Shari'El]

http://fenharegg.tumblr.com/post/129576814924/guys-check-this-out-im-pretty-sure-that-the

Ooh look. Solas fresco of the wolf looks like his self portrait.

 

 

I wanted to point it out myself, there were a lot of arguments about it because it looks dragon-ish but now that we have his self portrait I think it's safe to say it isn't as far off from his style.

I wanted to write a post but got lazy D:

[AllThatJazz]

I already said why I don't like death as redemption and what I think would happen

http://forum.bioware...one/?p=19725621

 

In my eyes a perfect ending for Solas & Lavellan would be a slide showing two cloaked figures from afar along with the description of them traveling Thedas, imparting knowledge and wisdom to all those who will hear, while trying to fix what ever scar the sundering of the Veil left.

"There are reports of sightings of a woman looking like the previous Inquisitor and her elven lover, helping those in need and teaching elven to elves."

"One day they are spotted in Tevinter, helping the now free slaves, the other day near the Brecilian Forest."

"The reports always the describe the two as inseparable, sharing meaningful expressions and little words, their spirits constantly circling one another."

And perhaps a slide of Solas with a sincere smile...

 

ahem

I'm really sappy right now, forgive me.

Well this would be just about perfect 

[Lilaih]

I just wonder if this is Mythal's "soul" that Solas now carries, or maybe he was somehow tricked by Flemeth/Mythal and took the "soul" of Urthemiel? In the epilogue, Flemythal touches the eluvian and it looks as if she was sending one soul through it, and another is being taken by Solas.

Does this still happen if you don't have OGB world state in Inquisition? Just asking, because I haven't played without living Warden yet.

[Cee]

I don't have trypophobia, but the minute I saw that damn thing in the Fade all I could think was 'I am so glad I don't have trypophobia.'

That thing is nasty.

 

I have terrible arachnophhobia. Games and spiders...

 

 

 I have a Keep Question for those of you who have played JoH. I have a panel with all the choices hidden and I can't seem to get them to show up so I have no idea what the choices even are. Any ideas?

Spoiler

Bottom right hand one:

 

 

I don't even have a JoH section. I have one section where everything is Hidden and one for The Descent. Is JoH just not showing up for anyone else?

[Moondreamer01]

@291 as well, this would be an easy way out for him, but somehow I like it. There's some tragedy in the idea that the rebel who fought for freedom was not truly free all along. What he said about being Mythal's creature whether you know it or not has been bugging me and you provide a good explanation.

Maybe if Inky drank from the well, they end up helping Solas with his plan, even if both of them think it's a bad idea, and they don't realize they're being manipulated until is too late. Otherwise, inky can do something to break Solas' compulsion if they choose to redeem him.

I'm having to Swype this from my phone, because my computer won't let me log in to the forum. I can read everything you write but not respond. It's torture.

Hmmmm, I hadn't put much thought into it until I actually wrote this post, but it's not altogether impossible that Solas has been under some kind of compulsion (or influence of some kind) all this time. If it's the case, it probably was stronger back then, and might explain why he reacted so drastically to her murder as raising the veil. It would also explain his reaction to an Inquisitor drinking from the Well. He seems to know exactly what this mean. Was in once in Abelas' shoes?

 

It's been millenia now and he's probably farther removed from Mythal's influence, but still, it might be lurking in his mind and might make it harder for him to change course. I'm not sure how much I like this idea as his relationship to Mythal has been described as "complicated" and I don't want to portray Mythal as a "big bad". Also, it doesn't quite work with the end scene in the main game and how Mythal calls him old friend. But it has potential if done well. I need to think about it more.

[Catfishers]

I wanted to point it out myself, there were a lot of arguments about it because it looks dragon-ish but now that we have his self portrait I think it's safe to say it isn't as far off from his style.

I wanted to write a post but got lazy D:

 

Was it up for debate what that last fresco was of? I thought it was the general consensus that it was a wolf standing over the body of a slain dragon? Did I miss something?

[AutumnOracle]

Whatever happens to Solas is likely what everyone will get unless his story is done and this "iteration"(time period) of Dragon Age is done. The reason being, he's TOO major to just leave as a loose thread.  Unless he is stripped of his power, he would have to show up again - at least in some "god hand" type capacity in later games.  Even stripped, he's too important and has impacted the world too much to just be like 'oh la la la he's just booping around'.  It would be like 'right. bioware."  "what about Anders!.askjdk" you say, well the revolution was not really about Anders.  And it wasn't really started by Anders, he was just a cog in the wheel of that thing as it turns out.  So he doesn't need to show up.  But Solas is way too major. Too important.

 

As much as choice is awesome, Bioware HAS to force canon on certain things to make the story less unwieldy.  So you don't have so many branching paths that they have to deal with down the line.   And also so they can tell a compelling story.  That doesn't mean it's forced death. I'm just saying, whatever happens LIKELY will be what happens to everybody.

 

It's also been theorized that spirit Cole slipping back in the Fade to help 'him' remember himself could be a work around for *ssquizitors.  

 

How that works with a human Cole I'm not sure.  

[Lilaih]

I like reminding people how Patrick Weekes wanted to save Thane

 

Me too

 

And you can save Mordin... if you made choices.

 

 

 

I don't even have a JoH section. I have one section where everything is Hidden and one for The Descent. Is JoH just not showing up for others?

Only Trespasser is missing from the Keep.

[S.W.]

My favourite thing about my Renegade FemShep playthrough is that I was able to save Mordin

Which makes me think that we'll have to sacrifice a lot to save Solas. And we may be given the opportunity to change paths at some point, if the cost is considered too high.

I already said why I don't like death as redemption and what I think would happen
http://forum.bioware...one/?p=19725621
 
In my eyes a perfect ending for Solas & Lavellan would be a slide showing two cloaked figures from afar along with the description of them traveling Thedas, imparting knowledge and wisdom to all those who will hear, while trying to fix what ever scar the sundering of the Veil left.
"There are reports of sightings of a woman looking like the previous Inquisitor and her elven lover, helping those in need and teaching elven to elves."
"One day they are spotted in Tevinter, helping the now free slaves, the other day near the Brecilian Forest."
"The reports always the describe the two as inseparable, sharing meaningful expressions and little words, their spirits constantly circling one another."
And perhaps a slide of Solas with a sincere smile...
 
ahem
I'm really sappy right now, forgive me.

I started the romance unspoiled about Solas' true identity and genuinely thought something like this would be the ending slide. The Inquisition would disband, and she and her lover would travel across Thedas, adventuring and exploring together, in the fade and in the physical world. They'd discover wonders, share dreams, and never fail to protect the helpless when they found injustice. They'd become a minor legend, an urban myth, the pair of dreamers who emerged from the shadows at people's darkest hours, who'd tell enticing stories of incredible places and people they'd seen.

Oh, what a happier and more naive time...

[maia0407]

I don't want a gut wrenching ending forced on me. I just don't. Themes of death, sacrifice and redemption are powerful; but, sad endings for the sake of angst and the veneer of sophistication are overdone these days to the point of seeming trite. I'm reminded of the phrase 'dark and gritty' that so many TV shows latched onto. It lost its meaning after awhile and was just another thing that everyone tried to emulate to be cool.

 

I want the story to follow a logical, meaningful conclusion and as much as people will make fun of this, being redeemed through the help of the people that care about you is also a powerful and worthwhile message. It doesn't have to be done in a cheesy or 'fairy tale' manner. There should be costs for his redemption but the cost doesn't necessarily have to be death. The ending can be bittersweet but still allow for Solas and Lavellan to be together in some fashion.

[Fisva]

Does this still happen if you don't have OGB world state in Inquisition? Just asking, because I haven't played without living Warden yet.

 

I don't know to be honest, my warden lived through all the playthroughs. Maybe someone here can confirm it?

[BoscoBread]

That's true. The trouble with branching paths is always fresh in my mind when doing Bioware theorizing. However, if Solas not only lost his god powers but also started aging for some reason then it would not be an issue. In the next story they could just skip ahead until after he'd be dead. Then if Solas was executed/sacrificed himself in some play throughs or was left alive in others it wouldn't matter much.  

Exactly.  Like I said prior - it feels as if things are coming to some epic climax.  His story was set up years ago. The loose ends are being cleaned up.  There are more answered and resolved questions than not and the ones that remain unanswered are all pointing in the same direction.  So if there is a choice with him, I think that may herald the end of this "time period". If the franchise continues then it may be fast forward 100 years or soething. I dunno. Whatever but I don't think he'll be really in play and it would make sense if he wasn't.  Personally I would find it odd if he didn't pop up and I do think most people would as well.  You have this big important person stomping around and NOT helping :|  They really are trying to be neater about those big choices.  

[AllThatJazz]

@maia  yes exactly! well put 

[Cee]

Okay, I got the JoH thing straightened out. It was listed as "hidden" but all the choices were there, so now it's working and showing up properly.

[Lilaih]

I don't know to be honest, my warden lived through all the playthroughs. Maybe someone here can confirm it?

In default world state Warden is dead so I wouldn't count too much this Urthemiel theory. Now if this end scene with eluvian still happens with dead Warden it could mean something.

 

I just started new playtrough with dead Warden, but it takes me over 100 hours (maybe) to see the end credits.

[Cee]

There's a new chapter of Message Sent up for those still following that one.

http://archiveofouro...apters/11113022

 

I've kept reading but cautiously after the surprise smut chapter.

 

edit: I see it was mentioned like 5 pages ago.

[Moondreamer01]

There's a new chapter of Message Sent up for those still following that one.

http://archiveofouro...apters/11113022

 

I've kept reading but cautiously after the surprise smut chapter.

I had to stop that one after the author said it wouldn't end happily I was expecting fluff with a plot and don't want a bad ending. The game's bad enough

[Shari'El]

Was it up for debate what that last fresco was of? I thought it was the general consensus that it was a wolf standing over the body of a slain dragon? Did I miss something?

 

Yes, there was a lot of talk that it was sloppily drawn and wasn't fitting of Solas' style and that the wolf is definitely a dragon, not a wolf.

 

The "self portrait" makes me think Solas doesn't know how wolves look like >_>