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[S.W.]

Both of Solas's slides:
 

Spoiler

 
Source

 
Actually like the enemy one the best!
 
EDIT: Here is the rest of the slides.  [credit crazyone2 on reddit.]

 
Yeah, I love the enemy slide. Does make me think though - are they deliberately depicting Fen'Harel as a little bit dragon-like? If I'd never played the game I'd definitely have guessed that was a dragon.
 

Romeo was more in love with being in love, and he had a fetish for Capulets.

^^^. I always thought R+J was more about how 16th century italian family feuds are unnecessarily bloody and silly, and Romeo and Juliet were just hapless victims of that, rather than love overcoming boudaries or whatever. It's not a love story.

The moral of the tale is similar to how Josie threw a bard down a flight of stairs, killing him, only to realise the conflict was completely unnecessary.

[Illyria]

I like that regardless - you can stay in a relationship with him.  I know Giton did the "kill him" option.   Im looking forward to that. 

 

I thought the 'kill him' defaulted to a high friendship ending?

[midnight tea]

If I had to guess, there might not be a lot of nuance to the choice. Redeem=possibility of Solas backing down, no redeem=he's probably going to remain an enemy. There's the possibility that we might be able to do something in the next game to re-evaluate those choices...but, then why put them on the keep? Personally I'd say to go with the outcome you'd like the best until we know what the endgame is. 

 

If we go the route of Inky as either main protag or secondary protag (or, hell, even super-important NPC), I expect they'd give players a way to confirm or modify some of the previous game choices (at least to a degree), given that each game has to balance between selling the game to fans as well as attracting newcomers.

 

The way I see it, they can't leave everything to the Keep, even if I expect them to expand it somewhat prior to release of DA4.

[Cee]

I like you.

 

I can't stand Romeo and Juliet and I can't stand them being thought of as this great love story.  Because no, Romeo was just an idiot who wanted what he couldn't have and would've got bored of Juliet and started chasing after a different unobtainable girl.  The point of the play isn't this great doomed love but that teenagers are frigging idiots.

 

Teenagers, the greater familial conflict that results in the loss of silly teenagers, all of it. It's not some sort of epic love story. It's look at what unnecessary and sometimes painfully close losses might happen if you don't open your eyes to something bigger than petty squabbling.

 

I trust and hope for something much better.
 

[Sable Rhapsody]

Trying to decide if I'll make a 'bad' playthrough in the keep alone.  I can't bring myself to be a jerk but kind of want a playthrough to see what happens if you hunt Solas....

 

Maybe I can convince my hubby to run it.  He did say that punching Solas will be satisfying to him after seeing me get so invested in him *whistles innocently*

 

I'm definitely looking forward to my Adaar, who's going to keep the Inquisition and pick the "stop Solas at all costs" option.  I want to see how that choice shakes out.

 

Also, my thing for bad boys is showing again.  The redeem tile is beautiful and sad, but Solas is HOT in the enemy tile!

[AutumnOracle]

My guess is in a default state you would be working to save Solas.  Given how hard it is to be jerky to him.

[BoscoBread]

I thought the 'kill him' defaulted to a high friendship ending?

Does it?  It's not clear to me at least.  I hope it doesn't because that would be hilariously dramatic.  

 

She ends up changing her mind at the last minute and is making out with Solas covered in blood.  

[Jaison1986]

Teenagers, the greater familial conflict that results in the loss of silly teenagers, all of it. It's not some sort of epic love story. It's look at what unnecessary and sometimes painfully close losses might happen if you don't open your eyes to something bigger than petty squabbling.

 

I trust and hope for something much better.
 

 

What was your choice that war table questline about feuding families?

[Illyria]

Does it?  It's not clear to me at least.  I hope it doesn't because that would be hilariously dramatic.  

 

She ends up changing her mind at the last minute and is making out with Solas covered in blood.  

 

Apparently, but that may not be the case in DA4 since the Keep will recognise the romance.

[Illyria]

What was your choice that war table questline about feuding families?

 

They eloped for me.

[Sable Rhapsody]

My guess is in a default state you would be working to save Solas.  Given how hard it is to be jerky to him.

 

I'd say the opposite.

 

I think the philosophy of the default state is to minimize the number of things from past games that can pop up. So for example, the Dark Ritual not taken, Warden dead, no one romanced, etc.  So the default state would have Solas as a straight-up baddy, since it wouldn't characterize the Inquisitor's previous relationship with him.

[midnight tea]

Weird, my Keep doesn't seem to update any of my information and still has locked choices like I didn't already beat the game and Trespasser several times... 

Are you online when you finish Trespasser? Since there's no final save after the epilogue, I assume the information gets sent to the Keep at some point when epilogue cards appear - then the temporary save likely gets erased. So you have to be online when they create the temporary save to send info to the Keep.

[Ardent Blossom]

I like you.

 

I can't stand Romeo and Juliet and I can't stand them being thought of as this great love story.  Because no, Romeo was just an idiot who wanted what he couldn't have and would've got bored of Juliet and started chasing after a different unobtainable girl.  The point of the play isn't this great doomed love but that teenagers are frigging idiots.

I like you too.

 

Romeo and Juliet was an experimental play for Shakespeare. It is not quite a tragedy and not quite a comedy (since it ends with a wedding and deaths). I'd agree it's just about the stupid things kids do when they "think" they're in love and the idiocy of family feuds. It has the trappings of tragedy, but bottom line is it illustrates immature idiocy (more of a dark comedy). There's some pretty language in the play, but on the whole I avoid it like the plague.

 

Solas and Lavellan are not stupid kids. 

[Sable Rhapsody]

Apparently, but that may not be the case in DA4 since the Keep will recognise the romance.

 

I think the Keep only recognizes whether you romanced Solas in the base game.  Trespasser gives you a broken heart option, but I don't think it changes the romance tile for Solas?

[Oswin]

I like you.

 

I can't stand Romeo and Juliet and I can't stand them being thought of as this great love story.  Because no, Romeo was just an idiot who wanted what he couldn't have and would've got bored of Juliet and started chasing after a different unobtainable girl.  The point of the play isn't this great doomed love but that teenagers are frigging idiots.

 

I have never read or watched Romeo and Juliet. I've had to study/seen performed quite a lot of Shakespeare and yet I've never touched that one. I have no desire to ever go near it. I know how it ends   that's enough for me.

 

If we want a Shakespearian ending then I vote for the homoerotic film version of The Tempest that my old school teacher thought would be helpful for us to watch before our exam. I failed that exam because the image of a bunch of naked blokes dancing around which had NOTHING TO DO WITH THE PLOT was burned into my brain.

So Solas and Inquisitor meet and then... suddenly for no plot reasons a bunch of men in campy sailor suits all appear and start dancing around. 

Hooray!

Seriously, I forever hate the guy who made that film adaptation. Just... WHY!?

 

 

If I ever get anywhere with my Adaar playthrough then I might have him go down the Stop Solas route. Solas wasn't loving that guy from what I remember. But then.. I always find it hard to not end up trying to befriend the guy. I like being friends with all my companions  spread the loooove.

[AutumnOracle]

Does it?  It's not clear to me at least.  I hope it doesn't because that would be hilariously dramatic.  

 

She ends up changing her mind at the last minute and is making out with Solas covered in blood.  

 

Serious question.

 

Based on the Keep you can indicate that you are in a romance with Solas. You can indicate that you will do anything to redeem him. I see no where to indicate if you chose to break up with him in the Keep.  Does that mean they will default those inquisitors to not being romantically linked to Solas?  Or something more.  Just curious what it means that this isn't covered in the Keep.  Seemed an important distinction to me.

[BoscoBread]

Apparently, but that may not be the case in DA4 since the Keep will recognise the romance.

You're probably right.   The redeem/kill option may over-ride the romance. Which sucks.  But I think the writers underestimate the power in THAT story.  Crossing my fingers that they keep it because it could be pretty ridiculous and over-wrought.  

[midnight tea]

I'd say the opposite.

 

I think the philosophy of the default state is to minimize the number of things from past games that can pop up. So for example, the Dark Ritual not taken, Warden dead, no one romanced, etc.  So the default state would have Solas as a straight-up baddy, since it wouldn't characterize the Inquisitor's previous relationship with him.

 

Oh I think it's very likely the case - especially that newcomers to the franchise will likely have no frame of reference, other than what will be presented in DA4.

 

I have to say I'd be really pleased if this indeed happened - not only it rewards fans, but creates something of an interesting social experiment of sorts. Those who never played anything beyond DA4 will likely have a different outlook on our heroes (be it Solas OR Inquisitor) than those who know the story better.

[S.W.]

Teenagers, the greater familial conflict that results in the loss of silly teenagers, all of it. It's not some sort of epic love story. It's look at what unnecessary and sometimes painfully close losses might happen if you don't open your eyes to something bigger than petty squabbling.
 
I trust and hope for something much better.

The big difference between Romeo/Juliet and Solas/Lavellen is - well, asides from all the obvious differences, elfin fantasy land instead of 16th century Verona, and being reasonable adults instead of infatuated teenagers - is that Romeo and Juliet were victims of fate, who had no control over the forces which lead their families into conflict. They're passive characters in the greater scheme of things.

In comparison, Solas and Lavellen are very much the most important players in the conflict tearing them apart - they're actively leading the forces which battle over the fate of the universe, and are compelled by different moral principles and obligations. They're much more in charge of their own fates, and their love persists despite that. Totally different kind of set-up for star-crossed lovers.

[Sable Rhapsody]

If I ever get anywhere with my Adaar playthrough then I might have him go down the Stop Solas route. Solas wasn't loving that guy from what I remember. But then.. I always find it hard to not end up trying to befriend the guy. I like being friends with all my companions  spread the loooove.

 

I usually befriend everyone too.  Was having a hard time with Vivienne in Adaar's playthrough until I Tranquilled Erimond, and now we're friends.  Srsly Viv why 

 

But it's IMO perfectly fine to be Solas's friend all game, then flip and go the Stop Solas route in Trespasser.  Quizzy has plenty of reason to dislike and distrust him after his whole apocalyptic spiel, and friendship or no, the fate of the world is kind of a big deal.  Or that least that's how I'll justify it with my Adaar.

[midnight tea]

I think the Keep only recognizes whether you romanced Solas in the base game.  Trespasser gives you a broken heart option, but I don't think it changes the romance tile for Solas?

 

I expect them either to add that choice prior to DA4 or have a choice in DA4 that will re-confirm or break off the romance.

[AutumnOracle]

Oh I think it's very likely the case - especially that newcomers to the franchise will likely have no frame of reference, other than what will be presented in DA4.

 

I have to say I'd be really pleased if this indeed happened - not only it rewards fans, but creates something of an interesting social experiment of sorts. Those who never played anything beyond DA4 will likely have a different outlook on our heroes (be it Solas OR Inquisitor) than those who know the story better.

 

I could get behind it.  That makes sense on why they would go that way.

[BoscoBread]

Serious question.

 

Based on the Keep you can indicate that you are in a romance with Solas. You can indicate that you will do anything to redeem him. I see no where to indicate if you chose to break up with him in the Keep.  Does that mean they will default those inquisitors to not being romantically linked to Solas?  Or something more.  Just curious what it means that this isn't covered in the Keep.  Seemed an important distinction to me.

That is a good question.  No idea.  I THINK if you romanced him and broke up with him at the end of the DLC you just would have to put romanced noone and friends with solas?   What your Inquisitor says about it is pretty final "Speak no more of it Solas" and he will respect that. So then jump ahead a few  years to DA4, it would be weird for people to mention it in main conversation.  Same as Solas.  

 

That's my guess as how it will go. 

[AutumnOracle]

I expect them either to add that choice prior to DA4 or have a choice in DA4 that will re-confirm or break off the romance.

 

This would be awesome. It would mean we have Inky in a position to be making choices  Definitely wouldn't be an NPC in that case.  

[Sah291]

If I had to guess, there might not be a lot of nuance to the choice. Redeem=possibility of Solas backing down, no redeem=he's probably going to remain an enemy. There's the possibility that we might be able to do something in the next game to re-evaluate those choices...but, then why put them on the keep? Personally I'd say to go with the outcome you'd like the best until we know what the endgame is.

My guess is it might influence some dialogue or maybe cutscenes, etc. Like the tile choice for whether Hawke approved of Anders' actions, except maybe a bit more involved if the Quizzy is the protagonist or has a larger role.

I remember in ME3 in order to try and influence the Illusive Man you had to take a series of certian dialogue options througout the game, and your paragon/renegade choices would effect some of his dialogue with you. Will be interesting if they do something similar.