I was just about to say I hope to god we get an 'emergency' arlathvhen or some **** cause so many elves look like they're gonna be hit with the stupid moron stick that BW loves to hit them with lmfao I'm so worried we'll have to kill them in droves in da4
like the slaughter of 3 whole clans is not enough wahahaha
I have a hard time imagining what role they could play in DA4.
It makes more sense for Solas to tell everyone to go home since modern elves have no place in his plan.
No place in the WORLD he's going to create but he'd sure AF use them to carry out his plans in the process.
I was just about to say I hope to god we get an 'emergency' arlathvhen or some **** cause so many elves look like they're gonna be hit with the stupid moron stick that BW loves to hit them with lmfao I'm so worried we'll have to kill them in droves in da4
like the slaughter of 3 whole clans is not enough wahahaha
we get it biower the elves are morons loads of people in the fandom hate them its cool
(i love u bioware i am not angry
)
An Arlathvhen would actually be the best time to wipe out a lot of Dalish at once. XD Not that I ever have taken that kind of option, really, but yeah.
An Arlathvhen would actually be the best time to wipe out a lot of Dalish at once. XD Not that I ever have taken that kind of option, really, but yeah.
SHHH DONT GIVE THEM IDEAS
STUFFS U IN A BAG
I was just about to say I hope to god we get an 'emergency' arlathvhen or some **** cause so many elves look like they're gonna be hit with the stupid moron stick that BW loves to hit them with lmfao I'm so worried we'll have to kill them in droves in da4
like the slaughter of 3 whole clans is not enough wahahaha
we get it biower the elves are morons loads of people in the fandom hate them and everyone in thedas hates them its cool
(i love u bioware i am not angry
But then how could people feel good about the fact that they're not part of an oppressed minority who exist to be a punching bag?
(I love BW but the whole thing about killing off Dalish being a running joke is just horrible).
An Arlathvhen would actually be the best time to wipe out a lot of Dalish at once. XD Not that I ever have taken that kind of option, really, but yeah.
Okay, I'm putting every single Dalish inside Kissiebear's box of protection. It's going to be a crowded and grumpy box, but they will be safe.
No place in the WORLD he's going to create but he'd sure AF use them to carry out his plans in the process.
soo uh
lunge
I'm looking, I'm looking.
Hammana hammana hammana hammana.
The thought has crossed my mind, but I'd rather believe Solas isn't a manipulative person like the tales make him out to be.
He is shrouded in secrecy for obvious reasons, but that's it.
he is tho 
I completely agree. Thedas is a mess, and the mess will just continue unless the powers of the world are forced to actually understand what they're dealing with. No one understands the blight, magic, the fade, anything. Problems will only persist because of this, so the veil must be taken down, so Thedas can get its butt into shape, as well as be unified as the one world it was always meant to be and originally was. Forget the elves. It still has to happen.
The world has problems, therefore everything must be destroyed?
I don't follow personally. The only people this might benefit is the elves, meanwhile all other lives cease to exist, maybe coming back or existing as something else, but ultimately with their current lives and everything they love ending. This plan is your classic "big bad" deal and sounds very similar to what the Thalmor are doing in the elderscrolls. Wiping out all other life in the belief that the world ending will set elves free. Coocoo for cocopuffs.
The thought has crossed my mind, but I'd rather believe Solas isn't a manipulative person like the tales make him out to be.
He is shrouded in secrecy for obvious reasons, but that's it.
I'd really like to believe this. The theory that he's going to use them in a giant blood sacrifice is not a nice one, and if Solas actually did that he'd cross a line that would prevent redemption.
I love Slytherin and hate the fact that there's no Slytherin members of Dumbledore's Army, and the Slytherins are all kicked out of the school during the battle of Hogwarts. There is nothing evil about having pride and ambition, Rowling. Would it have really been that hard to write one Slytherin student who was actually a decent human being?
They're the classic Lucifer symbol in the story, represented by snakes, prideful and ambitious... tis unfortunate that Christianity and the like writes this off as evil traits. Just because of Lucy. I prefer the Yazidi tale of the peacock angel in comparison to Lucy.
The world has problems, therefore everything must be destroyed?
I don't follow personally. The only people this might benefit is the elves, meanwhile all other lives cease to exist, maybe coming back or existing as something else, but ultimately with their current lives and everything they love ending. This plan is your classic "big bad" deal and sounds very similar to what the Thalmor are doing in the elderscrolls. Wiping out all other life in the belief that the world ending will set elves free. Coocoo for cocopuffs.
Wiping out one world to create another IS coocoo for cocopuffs, yet since when did that matter? The flood of the Old Testament showcases a god doing this exact same thing...the destruction of Sodom and Gomorrah is another example. I'm not religious, but the idea is not without precedent unfortunately.
Edit: I recall not liking cocopuffs as a child, but you seriously gave me a sugary cereal craving.
Wiping out one world to create another IS coocoo for cocopuffs, yet since when did that matter? The flood of the Old Testament showcases a god doing this exact same thing...the destruction of Sodom and Gomorrah is another example. I'm not religious, but the idea is not without precedent unfortunately.
Wiping out one world to create another IS coocoo for cocopuffs, yet since when did that matter? The flood of the Old Testament showcases a god doing this exact same thing...the destruction of Sodom and Gomorrah is another example. I'm not religious, but the idea is not without precedent unfortunately.
Just because God did it, doesn't make it sound much better. It has precedent, but so does murder, revenge, etc. So do a lot of things, and as a Christian, I much prefer Jesus Christ to his wrathful father, though of course even Jesus becomes wrathful by the time of revelations.
In other words, even as a christian, someone's coocoo plans sounding similar to Old Testament God gives me no comfort.
Ehhh, not the same thing. Solas isn't trying to cleanse the world of corruption.
This is an ultimate act of selfishness to bring back the only civilisation he cares about.
Good point
The world has problems, therefore everything must be destroyed?
I don't follow personally. The only people this might benefit is the elves, meanwhile all other lives cease to exist, maybe coming back or existing as something else, but ultimately with their current lives and everything they love ending. This plan is your classic "big bad" deal and sounds very similar to what the Thalmor are doing in the elderscrolls. Wiping out all other life in the belief that the world ending will set elves free. Coocoo for cocopuffs.
And its not as if the old world didn't have its own problems. People are people, and they were so back in the days of Arlathan, as well.
i can actually get behind the veil being removed and Thedas returning to its natural state. As has been pointed out to me in other threads, I think it would have a couple benefits. If everyone's mages there's no "mage vs normals" conflict to deal with. This will likely get replaced with another conflict, of course, but still. One step at a time. lol
Also no veil = no seperation btwn Fade and Physical World, which means that spirits won't have to long for experiencing the physical world, which means way fewer possession attempts, if not just generally stopping all together. Also fewer demons, though still existent.
In theory, I'm honestly ok with the end goal of the veil being gone. Its the method and the cost that will cause Solas and I to have words.
I think my inquisitor would be REvanclaw, for the intellectual curiosity and thrist for knowledge, with a side of Griffindor for the heroic deeds
As for why she was sent to the conclave, there are a few reasons. But that time, she's in his mid-twenties and has spent years isolating herself from the clan, although she loves them dearly. As a teen, she was bitter at the fact she'd shown no magic even though she is Keeper's daughter (Deshanna is her aunt, and the old keeper was Deshanna's older brother). Like most broody teens, she spent a lot of time on her own... brooding. She's gotten better as an adult, but she's still the scout sent forward while they travel, and when they are camping, it's not rare for her to spend days, and sometimes weeks away from the clan exploring ruins in search of lost knowledge (she has gotten a lot of the same instruction as a clan's first, so she's probably more educated than many of the other hunters. Her ideas about their history though tend to be controversial. but, that's what she's figured out from exploring ruins!)
So, Deshanna thinks it's probably a good idea for her to explore the world a bit, as she feels Ellana is getting stifled by clan life. She is also used to surviving on her own, is educated, can read and write, and she holds no contempt for the shems, so she makes a good candidate for it. Ellana isn't sure at first, but she lets herself be convinced it's a good thing. She's never set foot so far from her clan before though and the adventure ends up being more than she bargained for
The world has problems, therefore everything must be destroyed?
I don't follow personally. The only people this might benefit is the elves, meanwhile all other lives cease to exist, maybe coming back or existing as something else, but ultimately with their current lives and everything they love ending. This plan is your classic "big bad" deal and sounds very similar to what the Thalmor are doing in the elderscrolls. Wiping out all other life in the belief that the world ending will set elves free. Coocoo for cocopuffs.
Agreed. And it's not like the old world wasn't just as corrupted. Else Fen'Harel wouldn't exist as Solas would never have rebelled. So, bringing down the veil won't bring about Utopia, even in the long term once things settle down. As usual when there is a void, something will take its place. In this, Sera has more wisdom than Solas. From their conversation about the Red Jennies, when Solas asks her why she doesn't work on overthrowing the nobles and she answer with "What's the point? Some other corrupted people will only take their place" or something to that effect.
But, I doubt Solas is even thinking this far. All he sees is his mistake (the veil) and that it needs to be undone. As I'm unsure he even expect to live past the lifting of it, he's probably going "Eh, once my mistake is fixed, whoever is left will sort themselves out. I can't choose for them." Heck, I had the same reaction at the end of Trespasser when I realized Vivienne was resurrecting the circles despite my freeing the mages. "Eh, at this point, I can't choose the mages' future for them. They need to settle this for themselves."
Do I even make sense?
Honestly I don't think we're going to see this emergency Arlathvhen in next game. BW is probably going to do something off-screen if they do anything at all.
Magekiller could mention something about this and David Gaider is writing a new book featuring Fenris (https://twitter.com/...491114243596288). I don't know current status of this book or anything else about it.
@Solas,
Gosh you make me laugh. I ended up choking a bit because of you!! .
And an emergency Arlathvhen would be a sight to see. The Dalish indignation would be hilarious.
And I want to see lovely Merrill.. with her eluvian .
Ehhh, not the same thing. Solas isn't trying to cleanse the world of corruption.
This is an ultimate act of selfishness to bring back the only civilisation he cares about.
That's the other coo coo thing. Solas will even admit in the post temple of Mythal scene that changing the world won't necessarily result in a better world...the world one might imagine. Despite that, he is about to destroy one world to create another. Coo Coo.
As far as my comparison not being the same thing...what constitutes corruption is in the eye of the beholder. Slavery in Tevinter, the Circle of Magi, racist Dalish, and alienages all seem corrupt to me. The comparison of the flood and what Solas is doing is similar enough for me, but then again I'm not religious (so grains of salt are due when it comes to my understanding of holy books). The result (one world ending in destruction to make way for a "better" one) is the same regardless of the exact intention.
Edit: It's not good or ok. It is only that it is clear where the writers may have gotten inspiration. They didn't just pluck the idea out of the ether. It's coo coo, but not coo coo to use the device in the narrative.
That's the other coo coo thing. Solas will even admit in the post temple of Mythal scene that changing the world won't necessarily result in a better world...the world one might imagine. Despite that, he is about to destroy one world to create another. Coo Coo.
As far as my comparison not being the same thing...what constitutes corruption is in the eye of the beholder. Slavery in Tevinter, the Circle of Magi, racist Dalish, and alienages all seem corrupt to me. The comparison of the flood and what Solas is doing is similar enough for me, but then again I'm not religious (so grains of salt are due when it comes to my understanding of holy books). The result (one world ending in destruction to make way for a "better" one) is the same regardless of the exact intention.
Edit: It's not good or ok. It is only that it is clear where the writers may have gotten inspiration. They didn't just pluck the idea out of the ether. It's coo coo, but not coo coo to use the device in the narrative.
I think I see what you're saying, I wasn't bashing the idea of Solas' plan as far as the writers or story goes, just Solas' plan in it of itself as far as he is concerned.
That's the other coo coo thing. Solas will even admit in the post temple of Mythal scene that changing the world won't necessarily result in a better world...the world one might imagine. Despite that, he is about to destroy one world to create another. Coo Coo.
As far as my comparison not being the same thing...what constitutes corruption is in the eye of the beholder. Slavery in Tevinter, the Circle of Magi, racist Dalish, and alienages all seem corrupt to me. The comparison of the flood and what Solas is doing is similar enough for me, but then again I'm not religious (so grains of salt are due when it comes to my understanding of holy books). The result (one world ending in destruction to make way for a "better" one) is the same regardless of the exact intention.
Edit: It's not good or ok. It is only that it is clear where the writers may have gotten inspiration. They didn't just pluck the idea out of the ether. It's coo coo, but not coo coo to use the device in the narrative.
Not sure I'm really liking the flood comparison. I think the intention of the being bringing about the change does matter. I'm convinced that there is more going on than what Solas is telling us; he even says something like, "sometimes only bad choices remain". I interpret that to mean that he's trying to fix something that is going wrong and that not doing anything will have dire consequences as well. I just really can't judge Solas' intent until we know more.
In the case of the Old Testament god myths, he's supposed to have ultimate power and be able to shape reality as he pleases. He's the creator and can literally solve any problem in any way he wants. If he has ultimate power then nothing happens that he doesn't will. The cop out that he allows 'free will' even though he will kill you with a flood or torture you for eternity if you exercise that 'free' will in a way he disapproves of is pretty telling of his nature. There is no need for a being with such immense power to 'cleanse' the world of corruption that he allowed to happen. Are the children and babies that were killed also corrupt? The animals? I just can't compare Solas to OT god as he doesn't have unlimited power.
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