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[Illyria]

Serious question that if it was posed before I'm sorry.

 

I don't know about the rest of the people here but I really loved the Dorian/Iron Bull romance. (Since I always roll female and am not interested in Iron Bull I always want them to be together).

 

I don't see a way to acknowledge that in my Keep save even though my ending slides had it.  If it doesn't take that into account but we get Dorian in future games I would be pretty upset.  Will they add more tiles to the keep or is there another way for them to import that data.  Or are we just going to pretend that it never happened 

 

I found Inquisition to be really lacking in tile options.  No option to say if you let Solas kill the mages, not Adoriabull romance tile, no option to say if Lavellan kept her vallaslin (and yet the dwarf noble son quest gets a tile, when that's something that's only available to one race/gender), no option to say what route your inquisition took (just a 'did you deploy the forces a lot y/n), no option to say if you broke off the romance with Solas during Trespasser, and no way of giving the outcome of most of the war table missions.  What did you tell Sutherland to do with the money?  Did you manage to keep all the Wardens alive?  Did you reconcile Celene/Gaspard with Michel? Did Clan Lavellan survive?  Did Zev help you out at all?  Did you complete the qunari alliance missions?
 

[Colonelkillabee]

Realizing that elves are leaving alienages and quite possibly flocking to his side, there was some discussion a week or two ago about what could be done with so many people willing to sacrifice their lives for the cause. There's no way Solas doesn't know about what the Magisters did to enter the Fade (or if he doesn't, he can check it out in the Fade). If the anchor's power is unusable and there is no other way, and if Solas feels desperate enough (and I would say he is), what would it matter to him that he did a few more horrible deeds? The future will be better once he pulls down the veil. it HAS to be, as it's the only reason he has of living at the moment. He's already a monster so what's more blood on his hands? After all, he tells a romanced Lavellan that he doesn't want her to see the monster he'll become...

 

But, a tweet from Patrick Weekes seems to say he's gotten the anchor back, so he shouldn't need the blood sacrifice. Hopefully.

Possible, but I thought the mark and the orb both were needed. Maybe that was just because of its power, which with Flemythal's plus his mark, maybe he no longer does.

[Moondreamer01]

Which tweet is that?

It was the one about how he got the anchor back but the arm couldn't be saved at this point... I'll try to find it again, but if anyone can help I'd appreciate!

[AutumnOracle]

Yes, I saw that too. And your seeing it as ginger supports my Solas is a redhead theory so WOOT. Gaider is off the project, so canon can evolve. Maybe it just takes a really long time for elves to grow facial hair...time they used to have but don't any longer.

 

Still going back to what Kieran says when he sees the elf quizzy, something about his surprise in your choosing the form you have.  I got the impression that elves appearances were fluid.  If that's cannon then eventually we could get hair for the bald elves right? 

 

I'm kinda attached to bald Solas....but if they gave him the ability to shapeshift that his wolf form in our dreams implies...

[drosophila]

Possible, but I thought the mark and the orb both were needed. Maybe that was just because of its power, which with Flemythal's plus his mark, maybe he no longer does.

 

The thing is, if he already has mark+power, and it's all he needs, what's he waiting for? He says it will be a few years till apocalypse.

[drosophila]

It was the one about how he got the anchor back but the arm couldn't be saved at this point... I'll try to find it again, but if anyone can help I'd appreciate!

 

I thought what he meant was that he removed the Anchor, but didn't attach it to himself - that the Anchor is gone.

[BoscoBread]

The thing is, if he already has mark+power, and it's all he needs, what's he waiting for? He says it will be a few years till apocalypse.

I think he has to get an army ready to stop the pantheon.  Opening the rift is step one, then bringing down the veil will release the pantheon.  he has to fight them most likely. 

[Moondreamer01]

I thought what he meant was that he removed the Anchor, but didn't attach it to himself - that the Anchor is gone.

Quite possible too. That would certainly explain the fact he needs to wait a few years to act. Else, he'd be ready to enter the fade right this moment.

[AutumnOracle]

I found Inquisition to be really lacking in tile options.  No option to say if you let Solas kill the mages, not Adoriabull romance tile, no option to say if Lavellan kept her vallaslin (and yet the dwarf noble son quest gets a tile, when that's something that's only available to one race/gender), no option to say what route your inquisition took (just a 'did you deploy the forces a lot y/n), no option to say if you broke off the romance with Solas during Trespasser, and no way of giving the outcome of most of the war table missions.  What did you tell Sutherland to do with the money?  Did you manage to keep all the Wardens alive?  Did you reconcile Celene/Gaspard with Michel? Did Clan Lavellan survive?  Did Zev help you out at all?  Did you complete the qunari alliance missions?
 

 

Yeah I was also upset at several of these.  The lack of being able to indicate at what point the 'breakup' happens for Solas and Inky seems like lack of foresight.  

 

To me that falls one of a few ways. 

 

1. Inky never comes back as a primary player(doesn't seem possible after the ending) so it doesn't matter if they address it
2. Inky never is seen again as a secondary NPC (Cause whether or not their is a Vallaslin seems important although I suppose they could handle it like they did Hawke and have you recreate them)
3. Maybe the keep adds some tiles later.
4. Maybe they can take choices from the saved games too since we're all nextgen consoles now.  (Seems like it defeats the Keep)  

Pretty much just confusing.  I want them to do right by Inky!  

[flabbadence]

Wow this thread's moving so quickly again.

Heh this reminds me of the good ol' days where we were discussing this, and Solas' capacity to be ruthless. I'm not one to say I told ya so though. (Yes I am XD )
 
Kidding, lol. I'm glad he indeed had a ruthless side, but hope he wouldn't go quite so far, not unless maybe he was using certain people like say... Orlesians, hehehe.... for the sacrifice. Then for me, even if we lose, I win.
 
But the last thing I want is him going "Muahaha!" bad. Ruthless, yes, but don't turn him into a big bad, or you'll make one of the most interesting characters rather boring. Main villain is fine though.

Pssh. Fine. Congratulations on gettin it right XP ))

And I'm not even angry lmao. Trespasser just made Solas so much more compelling, honestly. He's pushing through with this, but you can tell he really doesn't want to. Probably one of the reasons he let the Quizzy live. Hope they do manage to maintain this balance of ruthless/unwilling next game. (Lmao, please tell me how you reacted to the orlesians trying to tie up the inquisition in the council)

I don't know, I thought it was an open question whether he now has the power of the anchor back.
Although I've always had a bad feeling he knows way more about blood magic than he ever let on.

I dunno, I just think him taking the anchor back would just make things extremely easy for him now. And people did keep on saying the anchor's too tied up with the Inquisitor to remove. Though I suppose he really could juat be that much more powerful now.

[drosophila]

I think he has to get an army ready to stop the pantheon.  Opening the rift is step one, then bringing down the veil will release the pantheon.  he has to fight them most likely. 

 

I really like this idea!

[figment_]

I finished Trespasser five days ago and I'm still not over it so. Hello T_T. I need a hug )

And man that plan. I was one of the people who didn't think he'd be aiming to dismantle the Veil, because look at what the Breach did to Thedas. I thought him wanting that wouldn't be in character. Turns out his character was just more ruthless than I ever thought. And I don't know. On one hand (haha) I want the Veil gone too. I want to see the Fade wash over the world, and for Thedas's current oppressive power structures to collapse. But on the other hand, I suspect doing that would make Thedas inhabitable for all modern races, even elves. The anchor was the only reason Quizzy and party were able to survive the Fade after all, and we couldn't even hold onto the anchor for longer than 3 years, give or take.

And how's he going to go about removing the Veil?

...I've thought up this horrible theory that since the anchor's no longer an option, he might go with what the magisters did: mass blood sacrifice (of mostly elven blood), only on a worldwide scale.

Somebody please tell me there's another way T_T

The Breach was an accident, a violent and unnatural rip in the veil, caused by a blighted malevolent entity, a tear that caused kind of a vacuum for spirits in an otherwise mostly intact veil, causing those unfortunate spirits nearby to be drawn through unwillingly, perverting them to demons...

 

Blood magic would be totally out of character for Solas, he flat out says he doesn't use it...And with his views of slavery, the blight, and fascism (ex. the Qun), it would NEVER happen...He knows better! Also, the immense power he now commands makes anything like that completely unnecessary. In addition, he created the veil, so he is best equipped to dismantle it as non-violently as possible...

[CapricornSun]

Which tweet is that?

 

Couldn't find the twitter link but it's this one.

 

 

 

 

I asked mr. Weekes for some clarification on what Solas did to the Inquisitor’s arm:

@PatrickWeekes Sorry if you’ve already answered this, but did Solas remove Quizzy’s arm or did they cut it off later? What’d he do to it?

@Olessan He removed the Anchor. Your hand was too far gone at that point to save, though.

Looks like the Anchor damaged the Inquisitor’s forearm too much, or after it was removed there wasn’t enough left of it to keep, and they removed it at some point afterward (soon after returning to the palace, evidently).

 

 

 

Source: http://olessan.tumbl...ication-on-what

[BoscoBread]

I really like this idea!

Yeah, I've seen some people being like 'oh hey guys it's going to be NOT that bad. husbando is ok' and im like  even if people don't miraculously all die or go crazy with the veil being brought down and demons flooding into the world and new mages being like "OMG FIREBALLZ FROM MAH HANDS!' there is going to be a WAR. with potentially one mage king and his tiny gremlin army vs. 7 PISSED off mage kings.  

 

THEN i assume tevinter will be in the middle of a revolution with a war with the Qun.  Thedas is FUCKED.  

[Wulfram]

It can't be too easy for Solas to dismantle the veil, because that wouldn't leave much room for a plot

Quizzie: We will do anything to stop/save Solas
*100s of miles away Solas waggles his fingers, sky starts glowing green*
Quizzie: Oh crap
*world ends*

[Catfishers]

Yeah I was also upset at several of these.  The lack of being able to indicate at what point the 'breakup' happens for Solas and Inky seems like lack of foresight.  

 

To me that falls one of a few ways. 

1. Inky never comes back as a primary player(doesn't seem possible after the ending) so it doesn't matter if they address it
2. Inky never is seen again as a secondary NPC (Cause whether or not their is a Vallaslin seems important although I suppose they could handle it like they did Hawke and have you recreate them)
3. Maybe the keep adds some tiles later.
4. Maybe they can take choices from the saved games too since we're all nextgen consoles now.  (Seems like it defeats the Keep)  

Pretty much just confusing.  I want them to do right by Inky!  

 

I feel like there's a good chance that they'll update Keep tiles at a later date. If I were them, I would avoid anything that overtly indicated whether or not the Quizzy was coming back as the protagonist because they're probably still gauging fan reaction to the idea and just ​imagine the reaction from the fandom if there were tiles that seemed to suggest that Quizzy was returning.

 

Stuff that goes into specifics of the Inquisitor's personal choices, especially with the Vallaslin and such, would seem to suggest that she's going to be back for DA4, so they're probably trying to keep tight lipped about it.

Modifié par Catfishers, 23 septembre 2015 - 04:43 .

[flabbadence]

Couldn't find the twitter link but it's this one.
 

 
 

 
 
Source: http://olessan.tumbl...ication-on-what

That stil doesn't clarify whethernthe anchor's been taken or destroyed though. Hope it's the latter )

[maia0407]

Yeah, I'm really hoping this thread doesn't become a place that bashes those people concerned with issues of consent especially when alcohol might be involved. Those are real world important issues and whether or not you agree it's a problem within Iron Bull and Dorian's romance, I really don't want to see those issues be dismissed out of hand by assigning silly nicknames to those that have these concerns. I don't really know much about the romance myself as it didn't occur in my game (never used bull enough I guess) nor do I read tumblr. But, I'm really beyond tired of seeing feminists being dismissed and bashed on these forums. I'd hoped this thread was a safe haven from that type of stuff. Hope I'm not wrong.

[flabbadence]

The Breach was an accident, a violent and unnatural rip in the veil, caused by a blighted malevolent entity, a tear that caused kind of a vacuum for spirits in an otherwise mostly intact veil, causing those unfortunate spirits nearby to be drawn through unwillingly, perverting them to demons...
 
Blood magic would be totally out of character for Solas, he flat out says he doesn't use it...And with his views of slavery, the blight, and fascism (ex. the Qun), it would NEVER happen...He knows better! Also, the immense power he now commands makes anything like that completely unnecessary. In addition, he created the veil, so he is best equipped to dismantle it as non-violently as possible...

I agree with the Breach bein malevolent part, but honestly, I can't say there's anything Solas won't stoop to at this point T_T.

My only light right now's the fact that he gave the Qunari a chance to leave before killing them, and that he didn't abuse the well of sorrow's hold on my quizzy. But mass blood sacrifice... I mean, everyone's going to die anyway right? *sigh*

[flabbadence]

Yeah, I've seen some people being like 'oh hey guys it's going to be NOT that bad. husbando is ok' and im like  even if people don't miraculously all die or go crazy with the veil being brought down and demons flooding into the world and new mages being like "OMG FIREBALLZ FROM MAH HANDS!' there is going to be a WAR. with potentially one mage king and his tiny gremlin army vs. 7 PISSED off mage kings.  
 
THEN i assume tevinter will be in the middle of a revolution with a war with the Qun.  Thedas is FUCKED.

"I had plans."
FFFFFFFFFFFFF. God that was so frustrating T_T

[AutumnOracle]

Yeah, I'm really hoping this thread doesn't become a place that bashes those people concerned with issues of consent especially when alcohol might be involved. Those are real world important issues and whether or not you agree it's a problem within Iron Bull and Dorian's romance, I'd really don't want to see those issues be dismissed out of hand by assigning silly nicknames to those that have these concerns. I don't really know much about the romance myself as it didn't occur in my game (never used bull enough I guess) nor do I read tumblr. But, I'm really beyond tired of seeing feminists being dismissed and bashed on these forums. I'd hoped this thread was a safe haven given from that type of stuff. Hope I'm not wrong.

 

I'm am probably the biggest feminist that most of the people around me personally know. I play things pretty critically.  I did get the banter in game and I felt that there was a subcontext to everything that was said between Bull and Dorian.  Like a game between the two of them that Quizzy wasn't as familiar with.  So I was okay with it.

 

Let me add a however though.  I got the banter after I knew about the issue and listened with that in mind and I can see how people might have construed that if they didn't know about Iron Bull's romance where he's super into consent.  It can feel like Iron Bull is hitting on Dorian and he doesn't seem receptive and Bull keeps hitting on him.  *For me the distinguishing factor was that in every conversation with everyone Dorian is always flippant.  And he's very good at the 'game' so sometimes when he says things I'm pretty sure he's saying other things*

 

In Bioware's defense I think they took that criticism into the Trespasser DLC and fleshed out that line and made it clear that while that type of playful teasing/banter still happened between them that they was nothing but caring. Another reason why I love Bioware.  They were concerned enough with how people took it that they mad sure the give it a bit better definition.

[Colonelkillabee]

Yeah, I'm really hoping this thread doesn't become a place that bashes those people concerned with issues of consent especially when alcohol might be involved. Those are real world important issues and whether or not you agree it's a problem within Iron Bull and Dorian's romance, I'd really don't want to see those issues be dismissed out of hand by assigning silly nicknames to those that have these concerns. I don't really know much about the romance myself as it didn't occur in my game (never used bull enough I guess) nor do I read tumblr. But, I'm really beyond tired of seeing feminists being dismissed and bashed on these forums. I'd hoped this thread was a safe haven given from that type of stuff. Hope I'm not wrong.

It's the internet, there is no safe haven As for the rest, not gonna get into it except to say I don't agree with the feminists on most things, the type that frequent tumblr especially.

[drosophila]

Yeah, I've seen some people being like 'oh hey guys it's going to be NOT that bad. husbando is ok' and im like  even if people don't miraculously all die or go crazy with the veil being brought down and demons flooding into the world and new mages being like "OMG FIREBALLZ FROM MAH HANDS!' there is going to be a WAR. with potentially one mage king and his tiny gremlin army vs. 7 PISSED off mage kings.  

 

THEN i assume tevinter will be in the middle of a revolution with a war with the Qun.  Thedas is FUCKED.  

 

Oh yeah, I fully expect Thedas to be f*cked till it turns inside out by what he's doing. If creating the Veil changed the world so drastically that he can't possibly bear it, how can one expect that removing it will just cause a minor cataclysm and if only people are more open-minded and adaptable, it should be fine. And the mage kings will be livid.

 

Only thing that doesn't fit is his idea that everyone should die in comfort. That makes it sound to me like everyone should die instantly without even noticing. I don't know how to reconcile that with the idea of raw chaos.

[BoscoBread]

Yeah, I'm really hoping this thread doesn't become a place that bashes those people concerned with issues of consent especially when alcohol might be involved. Those are real world important issues and whether or not you agree it's a problem within Iron Bull and Dorian's romance, I'd really don't want to see those issues be dismissed out of hand by assigning silly nicknames to those that have these concerns. I don't really know much about the romance myself as it didn't occur in my game (never used bull enough I guess) nor do I read tumblr. But, I'm really beyond tired of seeing feminists being dismissed and bashed on these forums. I'd hoped this thread was a safe haven given from that type of stuff. Hope I'm not wrong.

I was not even close to implying that. It's a throwaway term and not one used "at feminists about consent issues".  That controversy was not ok.  The devs and writers were attacked for something that did not exist. There are no consent issues at play there and when they affirmed this with evidence it was not let go. There were A LOT of assumptions that were made that did not exist in the game.  

 

Also DO NOT presume you know or understand where my considerations and leanings lie regarding this. If you need clarification...ASK.  

[Dancing_Dolphin]

Doesn't Solas already have direct access to the Fade through the Eluvians? I assumed Mythal's ability to connect the Fade to an Eluvian was part of the reason Solas took her power from Flemeth. Maybe he needs to find another orb to begin tearing down the Veil, if so, he will need to unlock it. I wonder why Cory needed the Divine to unlock Fen'Harel's orb? I assume it was just the Divine he needed and all the others who died from the explosion were collateral damage.