The 'get out of jail free' aspect is what really bothers my with the time travel aspect. I was really glad when BW seemed to be a hard limit on how far back anyone could go. I hope people are wrong about the original veil creation actually being the limiting factor as the world could get too screwy.
Or just screwy enough to be able to go back in time and save the real savior of Thedas: Corypheus. Or at least thank him. And perhaps compliment his erotic claws.
Sooo, Solas mentions the Evanuris were originally Generals from some huge war a long time ago. Do we know anything about that? Any idea who they were fighting?
The best guess right now seems to be the Titans, but I don't think we know anything definitive.
Wasn't a limit put on how far back in time that anyone could go? I think it was as far back as when the breach started, correct? So, unless a different type of time travel magic is used, which really opens up the world for any crazy thing to happen, I don't think Solas can go far enough back to accomplish his goals.
I hope. The whole idea of it annoys me. Time travel is impossible to do without like a thousand issues.
I even have issues with like, In Hushed Whispers.
I still stand that by the time we're thrown to the future, thousand year old god-mage Solas would have figured something else out- and if the veil was torn down, where was the rest of the Evanuris? The first of our kind are not so easily killed, Solas says, yet in that future he was murdered by some random darkspawn.
I just think time travel has too many holes.
I think most people's initial reaction to Solas' presentation of his plans is along the lines of wtf and what's wrong with you. It's because it's just such a ridiculously extreme way to restore the elvhen society. However, more than "restore" he also mentioned that he needed to do this to "save" them. This makes me think that there may actually be millions of ancient elvhens trapped somewhere. Maybe putting up the veil wasn't so much to free his people from slavery. That was what he was fighting for initially and then bigger problems came along such as the Evanuris doing stuff to the Titans that might end up destroying the entire world including the elvhen. So when Mythal died, the people of Thedas didn't have any one to oppose the Evanuris other than Solas. Her murder might have been sudden so he had no time to gather allies or think of a less extreme plan than putting up the veil. However, putting up the veil also had the side effect of separating the spirits of the elvhen from their bodies making it so both the moderns elves and their spiritual selves suffer due to a lack of wholeness which would have given them more power, wisdom, etc.
Now that the Evanuris aren't an immediate danger, he thinks it's time to let the spirits out of their veil jail and maybe hope that they either gain physical forms on their own or merge with some of the people of Thedas. Of course, there's probably no way to make this process work without collateral damage. On the other hand, he can't stand to see the spirits sundered from themselves. And because they are sundered from themselves they are less complex and end up turning into demons easily. Perhaps a lot of spirits have already turned into demons over the years and he is afraid that as this process goes on, there will be fewer and fewer spirits like Cole. Anyway, I keep thinking of alternative explanations other than it's just because he wants to restore elvhen culture because that's a horrible reason for doing what he's planning.
Sooo, Solas mentions the Evanuris were originally Generals from some huge war a long time ago. Do we know anything about that? Any idea who they were fighting?
Titans and Forgotten Ones are currently the frontrunners. We know from one of the codexes in the shattered library that the Evanuris did clash with the Forgotten Ones on at least one occasion.
Cole also thought becoming a serial killer was helping people! So, he's definitely not entirely accurate.
Although I do think most of what he says is reliable on some level, just from the OOC writing perspective of it. He's the only character with his unique abilities, so writers make use of him to tell us stuff we'd never know otherwise. [Felassan's death, for instance, means nothing to the Inquisitor but is clearly intended for the audience.]
Although I do think most of what he says is reliable on some level, just from the OOC writing perspective of it. He's the only character with his unique abilities, so writers make use of him to tell us stuff we'd never know otherwise. [Felassan's death, for instance, means nothing to the Inquisitor but is clearly intended for the audience.]
He's like inverse Hermione. Rowling used Hermione to deliver hard fact and exposition, BioWare uses Cole to tell us about motivation and feeling.
Speaking of spirits, I wish there's a way to help cleanse demons and turn them back into the wisdom or whatever spirits that they were before they got corrupted.
Titans and Forgotten Ones are currently the frontrunners. We know from one of the codexes in the shattered library that the Evanuris did clash with the Forgotten Ones on at least one occasion.
Probably both, I think. Just hard to say which war came first. The Forgotten Ones resented the evanuris calling themselves gods. So it could be that the Forgotten Ones/Evanuris warred against the titans, and afterwards declared themselves gods to get some sort of political edge on the others. The Forgotten Ones resented this, so they fought. [And presumably lost.]
Sooo, Solas mentions the Evanuris were originally Generals from some huge war a long time ago. Do we know anything about that? Any idea who they were fighting?
Speaking of spirits, I wish there's a way to help cleanse demons and turn them back into the wisdom or whatever spirits that they were before they got corrupted.
After Solas' quest with the wisdom spirit being turned into a pride demon, I really feel bad for all the demons we have to slaughter during the game. It's like we have to kill people having a violent psychotic break without having any option to try to help them.
Speaking of spirits, I wish there's a way to help cleanse demons and turn them back into the wisdom or whatever spirits that they were before they got corrupted.
I would think there'd have to be. Cole claims that he was a demon at one point, and Wisdom appears as a pride demon first, and then a spirit before "she" dies.
Personally, I think the inconsistencies in what Solas says will happen during elfpocalypse speak more that he doesn't actually know what will happen. All he's thinking about is ripping off the bandaid and fixing the mistake. So, it 'might' kill everyone, or maybe not. But either way he expects elves to take over and oust all the shems from their holdings, so their world would be ending one way or another.
I don't like the back in time theory, mostly because I hate time travel. It also negates some of the 'evil' Solas would be undertaking. A lot of people are fine with time travel and don't quite see it the same way as murder.
Fear of dying alone though- I think that makes perfect sense. Solas has always set himself apart from other people as he rebels through various things. Solas might be misguided, but he absolutely knows what he's doing is wrong and will make him a monster. That's why he sends Lavellan away even if she tries to support his plans.
Solas is afraid that he'll die alone because...well, that's what he actually expects will happen. He'll die alone like the monster he's become. But to him, the idea of fixing his mistake is worth that fate.
I can get behind this. Smart elf is dumb. He's so caught up in what he thinks is right he has trouble stopping to view the other angles.
Case in point his Wisdom spirit friend. He was so caught up in what he thought was right (because they'd killed his friend) he didn't stop to realize that they were operating with the only wisdom they had. They didn't know that calling a spirit for something other than it's purpose would corrupt it, heck they probably didn't even know it's purpose. Rather than educate them he would have killed them. With information they could have taken back and illuminated a lot of people.
Rather than educate/or work with us he's going to do what he thinks is right. Regardless that with the information we might be able to find a better way.
Smart elf is singularly focused.
Titans and Forgotten Ones are currently the frontrunners. We know from one of the codexes in the shattered library that the Evanuris did clash with the Forgotten Ones on at least one occasion.
Which makes me think the Titans and the Forgotten Ones are connected.
My current theory is that the Titans are like...the "maker" figure, and the forgotten ones are their gods. Or like, whatever is just below a titan, maybe just like the Evanuris. The dwarves worshiped something- someone, maybe multiple someones- there are codex entries that say there were idols in the lost thaig.
But I haven't thought it out much lol
After Solas' quest with the wisdom spirit being turned into a pride demon, I really feel bad for all the demons we have to slaughter during the game. It's like we have to kill people having a violent psychotic break without having any option to try to help them.
Ok so for the next game we also get to have the option of doing the Sailormoon thing as a finishing move and aside from the item drops, we also get to see the demons turning into benevolent spirits. The more finishing moves we can manage, the more karma points we get.
Cole also thought becoming a serial killer was helping people! So, he's definitely not entirely accurate.
Although I do think most of what he says is reliable on some level, just from the OOC writing perspective of it. He's the only character with his unique abilities, so writers make use of him to tell us stuff we'd never know otherwise. [Felassan's death, for instance, means nothing to the Inquisitor but is clearly intended for the audience.]
Ok so for the next game we also get to have the option of doing the Sailormoon thing as a finishing move and aside from the item drops, we also get to see the demons turning into benevolent spirits. The more finishing moves we can manage, the more karma points we get.
I would love to be able to help the demons turn back into spirits! I'd even give up drops from them as my feel good price. This is something that might help Solas to change his mind about this world as well. If we help the spirits and get others to do the same he might see more value in this world. I've been questioning how we would change his mind; this is a fabulous idea!
That's a really interesting line, considering his own lack of friends and fear of dying alone. But even that is vague. It might just mean it is a lonely path, you'll be destroyed by guilt, everyone you have ever known will hate you, you'll go down in history as a devil/monster, like he basically has....
I agree with this. Even if what he's going to do is necessary (and I think we'll find out that it basically is, in order to avoid something worse), it will still cause an awful lot of chaos and death, and the person responsible will forever be seen as a monster. He knows this, because it's already happened to him - he did the thing (created the veil) that saved the world from the Evanuris, but in doing so 'destroyed' his world, and the survivors do indeed see him as a monster. For a loved/befriended Inquisitor, he doesn't want them to share that burden - but even for a low approval Inquisitor, I think it's more than that. He wants the Inquisitor to stand against him, even though he knows they'll ultimately fail (and I think they will fail, the veil is coming down), because in all the chaos that follows, the world will need someone who 'fought against the tide' (as Solas said in his banter with Blackwall), people who they are able to see as a beacon of hope and a bit of a hero; and I think he has the Inquisitor (and allies) marked for that purpose.
And the dying alone thing can be read in different ways. He brings the veil down, he dies alone with the entire world hating him; he leaves it in place, he dies alone (more figuratively) as the last of his kind (Abelas and the others aren't like him, they still wear vallaslin and serve the gods or whatever).
So. Now I've made myself feel sad 
I think most people's initial reaction to Solas' presentation of his plans is along the lines of wtf and what's wrong with you. It's because it's just such a ridiculously extreme way to restore the elvhen society. However, more than "restore" he also mentioned that he needed to do this to "save" them. This makes me think that there may actually be millions of ancient elvhens trapped somewhere. Maybe putting up the veil wasn't so much to free his people from slavery. That was what he was fighting for initially and then bigger problems came along such as the Evanuris doing stuff to the Titans that might end up destroying the entire world including the elvhen. So when Mythal died, the people of Thedas didn't have any one to oppose the Evanuris other than Solas. Her murder might have been sudden so he had no time to gather allies or think of a less extreme plan than putting up the veil. However, putting up the veil also had the side effect of separating the spirits of the elvhen from their bodies making it so both the moderns elves and their spiritual selves suffer due to a lack of wholeness which would have given them more power, wisdom, etc.
Now that the Evanuris aren't an immediate danger, he thinks it's time to let the spirits out of their veil jail and maybe hope that they either gain physical forms on their own or merge with some of the people of Thedas. Of course, there's probably no way to make this process work without collateral damage. On the other hand, he can't stand to see the spirits sundered from themselves. And because they are sundered from themselves they are less complex and end up turning into demons easily. Perhaps a lot of spirits hmeave already turned into demons over the years and he is afraid that as this process goes on, there would be fewer and fewer spirits like Cole. Anyway, I keep thinking of alternative explanations other than it's just because he wants to restore elvhen culture because that's a horrible reason for doing what he's planning..
I think I remember something in Solas' dialogue to the effect that he might be able to restore "a little" or "some" of what was lost of Elvhen culture (I'll have to look for it). That doesn't strike me as unrealistically trying to "restore Ancient Elvhenen" or the ancient Elvhen as a whole...But I'm almost 100% sure he wants to "restore the Magic" and the immortality from before the veil was created...
My imagination is going all over the place today. So let's say that using a Sailormoon cleansing move to cleanse the demons would cause you something significant. Maybe it would cause you a little bit of your own stat points. This would make the game harder and battles harder, but the accumulated karma points would somehow help you redeem/defeat Solas. It would be interesting if we enter the game as level 25 and everything is super easy at first, but gets harder depending on whether you want to accumulate Karma points. I have a feeling that this would be hard to implement in a balanced way though.
After Solas' quest with the wisdom spirit being turned into a pride demon, I really feel bad for all the demons we have to slaughter during the game. It's like we have to put down people having a violent psychotic break without having any option to try to help them.
Cole: Is there a way to save more spirits, Solas?
Solas: Not until the Veil is healed. The rifts draw spirits through, and the shock makes demons of them.
Cole: Pushing through makes you be yourself. You can hold onto the you.
Cole: Being pulled through means you don't have enough you. You become what batters you, bruises your being.
Solas: Yes, exactly. Deliberately crossing the Veil requires that a spirit form will, personality.
Solas: That concept of self gives a spirit the chance to maintain its nature.
Solas: Wrenched into this world unwillingly by the rifts, spirits suffer the same fate as my friend.
Cole: Then we will help them.
I think most people's initial reaction to Solas' presentation of his plans is along the lines of wtf and what's wrong with you. It's because it's just such a ridiculously extreme way to restore the elvhen society. However, more than "restore" he also mentioned that he needed to do this to "save" them. This makes me think that there may actually be millions of ancient elvhens trapped somewhere. Maybe putting up the veil wasn't so much to free his people from slavery. That was what he was fighting for initially and then bigger problems came along such as the Evanuris doing stuff to the Titans that might end up destroying the entire world including the elvhen. So when Mythal died, the people of Thedas didn't have any one to oppose the Evanuris other than Solas. Her murder might have been sudden so he had no time to gather allies or think of a less extreme plan than putting up the veil. However, putting up the veil also had the side effect of separating the spirits of the elvhen from their bodies making it so both the moderns elves and their spiritual selves suffer due to a lack of wholeness which would have given them more power, wisdom, etc.
Now that the Evanuris aren't an immediate danger, he thinks it's time to let the spirits out of their veil jail and maybe hope that they either gain physical forms on their own or merge with some of the people of Thedas. Of course, there's probably no way to make this process work without collateral damage. On the other hand, he can't stand to see the spirits sundered from themselves. And because they are sundered from themselves they are less complex and end up turning into demons easily. Perhaps a lot of spirits have already turned into demons over the years and he is afraid that as this process goes on, there will be fewer and fewer spirits like Cole. Anyway, I keep thinking of alternative explanations other than it's just because he wants to restore elvhen culture because that's a horrible reason for doing what he's planning.
My imagination is going all over the place today. So let's say that using a Sailormoon cleansing move would cause you something significant. Maybe it would cause you a little bit of your own stat points. This would make the game harder and battles harder, but the accumulated karma points would somehow help you redeem/defeat Solas. It would be interesting if we enter the game as level 25 and everything is super easy at first, but gets harder depending on whether you want to accumulate Karma points. I have a feeling that this would be hard to implement in a balanced way though.
I like the idea that doing things to change Solas' mind has a cost attached to them. Our decisions would feel like they have more weight.
Which makes me think the Titans and the Forgotten Ones are connected.
My current theory is that the Titans are like...the "maker" figure, and the forgotten ones are their gods. Or like, whatever is just below a titan, maybe just like the Evanuris. The dwarves worshiped something- someone, maybe multiple someones- there are codex entries that say there were idols in the lost thaig.
But I haven't thought it out much lol
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