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[figment_]

Concerning the Qunari:

 

What if, when the veil comes down and the Magic comes back, all of the Qunari become mages???

 

I see several possible outcomes, their society would probably collapse under the weight of their views on magic...They will likely start killing each other, killing themselves, or have a mass exodus of Tal-Vashoth, with assimilation as their only option for survival...

I'm hesitant to quote my own post, but really would like to hear other opinions on this and other possible implications of the veil being sundered (as in fully removed)...

 

Also, can I join Team Optimism now? I think I'm qualified!

[flabbadence]

Yas - they are scattered around in secret areas in the crossroads.  She is a MONSTER.  Like disgusting. 
 
There is one where it's implied she's peforming experiments on actual elves and she's talking about needing more for something and she says like "I told it this was necessary in order for x,y,z'. IT.  IT WAS A TINY GREMLIN TO HER.  
 
I imagine the evanuris, like all things, was varying shades of awful.  I'm sure some where amazing and did nothing wrong like June.  And some were gross and disgusting like Ghilan'nain.  
 
JUNE DID NOTHING WRONG!

Pssh. He might as well as have done nothing at all. The guy never comes up.

[drosophila]

Now I have this image of a really grumpy old man in my head. Imagine how Solas would write a diary, though!

 

Dear Diary,

today I found another one of my old murals from thousands of years ago. The companion gremlins thought it looked stupid, Sera in particular. Still, came to the conclusion that my art must have sucked big time. Feel ashamed now. Can't fix mistakes, though, the Dalish gremlins worship that sh*t.

 

One of my all-time favorite fics is Solas' diary.

 

http://archiveofouro...hapters/7763681

 

It's just 4 small snips, but I read them over and over, because they make me wordgasm. I really hope the writer continues it.

[Uirebhiril]

The codex entries on the 4-item set in Trespasser seem to be written by Ghilan'nain, if I remember correctly.

 

I seriously really truly felt so strange carrying those pieces around after reading them.

[midnight tea]

I also hope they don't basically create two versions of him later on depending on approval so those who want to see him as pure evil are validated while those who don't are too. Seems lazy to me, and a disservice to the character. Grey is grey is grey. He should never come off as anything but.

 

Well, there's already enough of an implication that Solas walks the path that will turn him into something he himself fears and loathes - it will still be the outcome of things that are beyond his control (no matter how terribly guilty he feels about them) and fail!Quizzies will likely squander the chance of him finding a sense of balance or at least make it doubly difficult to make him start believing that he's not as terrible failure he is. Either way, it's a fair game for me.

 

Just like with Cullen or Blackwall or Iron Bull and any other companions who tumble into darkness unless Quizzy sees more than a tip of their nose, so will Solas tumble unless people decide to help him.

[flabbadence]

I'm hesitant to quote my own post, but really would like to hear other opinions on this and other possible implications of the veil being sundered (as in fully removed)...
 
Also, can I join Team Optimism now? I think I'm qualified!

It's really hard to say, because I have no idea /what/ the qunari really are in the first place. Maybe the dragon blood will help, if they really have it? Or will that just make things worse? Solas's going to be pretty happy if the qun falls apart though )

[Sah291]

Yas - they are scattered around in secret areas in the crossroads.  She is a MONSTER.  Like disgusting. 
 
There is one where it's implied she's peforming experiments on actual elves and she's talking about needing more for something and she says like "I told it this was necessary in order for x,y,z'. IT.  IT WAS A TINY GREMLIN TO HER.  
 
I imagine the evanuris, like all things, was varying shades of awful.  I'm sure some where amazing and did nothing wrong like June.  And some were gross and disgusting like Ghilan'nain.  
 
JUNE DID NOTHING WRONG!

So sounds like she was almost kind of like the architect? That adds more fuel to the theory about them being related to the old Gods, and I could imagine her having a high priest like him.

[Sable Rhapsody]

Dear Diary,

today I found another one of my old murals from thousands of years ago. The companion gremlins thought it looked stupid, Sera in particular. Still, came to the conclusion that my art must have sucked big time. Feel ashamed now. Can't fix mistakes, though, the Dalish gremlins worhsip that sh*t.

 

Out of likes

 

Gremlin Behavioral Notes, Week 2

• Gremlin refuses to eat prepared diet at Haven, insists on hunting for its own food.  No escape attempts so far, will continue to permit hunting.
• Intense preoccupation with picking flowers.  Result of Anchor?  Unlikely, as other gremlins are equally confused
• Fascination with locked doors and shiny objects.  Shared trait with other elf-gremlin.
• Expresses curiosity about the Fade.  No established protocol on answering problematic gremlin questions.  Will appease gremlin for now under careful observation.

 

Lol, I wasn't talking about him needing IRB approval in the fics, though I'd love to see a fic like that But even if you're a humanities professor, don't you need a shard of common sense in you? (I really don't know how humanities work)

 

  For his lab notebook

 

Solas has a shard of common sense.  He just doesn't always use it

 

 

I seriously really truly felt so strange carrying those pieces around after reading them.

 

I will admit that my gamer greed overtook my good sense when it came to Ghilly's 4-piece set.  I blame it on years of WoW.  And those stats for a crit rogue!  HUBBA HUBBA.

[Solas]

Thanks  I understand there were speculations that Fen'Harel was considered a Forgotten One, but I didn't think it was addressed conclusively in a codex.

Np There's speculation the Forgotten Ones were fellows or followers of Solas, you know like part of his rebel cabal - other elves who hated the way the Evanassholes did stuff. And they then became reviled and mis-remembered in elven lore due to Evanuris propaganda. There's a codex entry by Geldauran which is interesting.

[BoscoBread]

Pssh. He might as well as have done nothing at all. The guy never comes up.

HE DID! In all his fabulousness he did - there was a codex entry about architects warring over the glitteriness of June's temple roof.

 

GLAMOUR TOAD IS CANON. 

[Moondreamer01]

I seriously really truly felt so strange carrying those pieces around after reading them.

I was wondering what kind of leather was used on that armor O_o And the implications on the eye amulet *shudders*

[Uirebhiril]

I also hope they don't basically create two versions of him later on depending on approval so those who want to see him as pure evil are validated while those who don't are too. Seems lazy to me, and a disservice to the character. Grey is grey is grey. He should never come off as anything but.

 

Agreed. I'd hate for Solas to come down to "boss fight" or "recruit/redeem" like Loghain. There's a lot of people out there who would feel really p*ssed if they can't murderknife Solas, but I really hope the writers don't take a linear black and white direction with him at this point. If he has to die, or diminish, then I hope it's in service of the story and not of the player. I guess the two things don't have to be mutually exclusive, but it would be a tremendous waste of the character to paint him one way or the other after they built up so many layers of gray.

[flabbadence]

HE DID! In all his fabulousness he did - there was a codex entry about architects warring over the glitteriness of June's temple roof.

GLAMOUR TOAD IS CANON.

OHHHHHH, that's right! My mistake ))

Ah that library *happy sigh*. I'm so glad we got to walk around that library

[Cee]

Oh good, a song just gave me the feels. Nothing new.

 

 

Spoiler

 

Want to cry for you
Would it do any good?
If I rained for you
It would just be water

And the night's with you
And the storm's in your hand
And you're down and you're down
And I can't lift you

I'm powerless to change your world
I'm powerless to stop the hurt

But I'll give you my heart
Give you my shoulder
I give you my heart
Give you my shoulder
Over and over

Want to run for you
Would it do any good?
If I flew for you
You would still be standing

And it's hard watching
Cause I'm part of you
And it's hard not to
Not to know what I can do

I'm powerless to change your world
I'm powerless to stop the hurt

I'm trying hard to be your tower of strength
I'm trying hard to bring you back to joy

I'll give you my heart
Give you my shoulder
I give you my heart
Give you my shoulder

When the night just cuts you through
And the dream is lost to you
When you're worried and confused

I will give you my heart give you my shoulder
I give you my heart
Give you my shoulder
Over and over

Time and again
Give you my shoulder
I will
I give you my heart
Give you my shoulder
I will
Time and again
Over and over
I give you my heart
Give you my shoulder

[Cee]

Np There's speculation the Forgotten Ones were fellows or followers of Solas, you know like part of his rebel cabal - other elves who hated the way the Evanassholes did stuff. And they then became reviled and mis-remembered in elven lore due to Evanuris propaganda. There's a codex entry by Geldauran which is interesting.

 

I was hoping we'd get more on this in DLC but it's probably going to lead to something larger and better to give the Forgotten Ones more room to develop anyway. We had a lot packed into Trespasser.

[BoscoBread]

I seriously really truly felt so strange carrying those pieces around after reading them.

Yea, I was like for 5 min. "Is this skin? Eh...eff it. I look good"

Eh spoilered for...weirdness(it's buffalo bill ok)

Spoiler

[Sable Rhapsody]

I was wondering what kind of leather was used on that armor O_o And the implications on the eye amulet *shudders*

 

Didn't think about that.  How did I not think about that?! 

 

*feels unclean*

 

At least the armor can be crafted from...hopefully something less icky.

[ChuChu]

Oh yeah! That codex where they were fighting, and it was brushed off as a 'ho hum debate'...

(from codex)
"........The well-dressed elves' shouting grows so loud, it can be heard over the magic. One leaps at another, howling and pulling out a knife burning with prismatic flame.
 

"Architects of the Grand Sonallium (a gift from Blessed Sylaise to Clever June as thanks for a great favor) in friendly debate over the color of the palace's roof trim."


Was anyone else's interest piqued in thinking that the Pantheon are like... really intelligent, but also kind of feral? I mean. I'm not saying anything really important or anything, just that... uh. Well. If there is any truth to the story, and they bow to base urges like that... I suppose I can see why Andruil tried to punish Solas in that... special way. With the tree. Yeah.




 

[Solas]

My guess is those stories are more like fables, metaphors. For example I'm pretty sure the story of the slow arrow is a metaphor for how he defeated the false gods.

 

I don't doubt that the false gods were fickle intense beings tho.

[drosophila]

Out of likes

 

Gremlin Behavioral Notes, Week 2

• Gremlin refuses to eat prepared diet at Haven, insists on hunting for its own food.  No escape attempts so far, will continue to permit hunting.
• Intense preoccupation with picking flowers.  Result of Anchor?  Unlikely, as other gremlins are equally confused
• Fascination with locked doors and shiny objects.  Shared trait with other elf-gremlin.
• Expresses curiosity about the Fade.  No established protocol on answering problematic gremlin questions.  Will appease gremlin for now under careful observation.

 

So here's how Solas meets with his thesis advisor.

 

Mythal: So Solas, what are your plans for the next 6 months?

Solas: Prof, I'm ready! I want to put up the Veil! Check out my draft artefact designs!

Mythal: Whoa, there! The whole Veil? What do you predict will happen?

Solas: Well, I haven't really thought about it... Whatever happens, the results will be publishable!

Mythal: I really think you should try this with nugs first.

Solas: I did try it with nugs.

Mythal: Great, what happened?

Solas: It was fine.

Mythal: "It"?

Solas: Yes, I only tried it on one nug.

Mythal: Shouldn't you... dunno... repeat your results?

Solas: Prof, I've been a grad student for 300 years already. Everyone else graduated in 250. I'm creating the Veil and getting out of here.

Mythal: Well, I did warn you that starting a rebellion against your thesis committee would not go well. So were there any long-term side effects on the nug?

Solas: I don't know, it ran away.

Mythal: It ran away?

Solas: Look, it wasn't exactly a planned experiment. A nug came into the lab, ate one of my prototypes, and in doing so, activated it. I tried to catch it but it ran away. So I think it was fine.

Mythal: I am never taking graduate students referred by Andruil again.

[BoscoBread]

I think the pantheon were steeped in excess. You have all this power. All this wealth and you just sort of revel in it. You are GOD.  You have no masters.  Noone stopping you. They had trouble keeping each other in check.  So you just kind of go nuts.

[figment_]

It's really hard to say, because I have no idea /what/ the qunari really are in the first place. Maybe the dragon blood will help, if they really have it? Or will that just make things worse? Solas's going to be pretty happy if the qun falls apart though )

Ummm, maybe an Elvhen/Dragon hybrid??? Created by Ghilan'nain?!? They've got the ears...dunno...

 

It kind of goes along with PW tweet about the Qun being a fascist regime...

[jthibeault]

So I know this is a Lavellan centric thread but I felt so bad for Cole after Solas left, both times. Then when I was watching the end of Trespasser again I thought right when Solas turns around to leave would have been the perfect moment for Cole to *poof* appear in front of Solas to try to talk to him. So I made this poorly photoshopped thing because I couldn't get the image out of my head.

Spoiler

[Sable Rhapsody]

I think the pantheon were steeped in excess. You have all this power. All this wealth and you just sort of revel in it. You are GOD.  You have no masters.  Noone stopping you. They had trouble keeping each other in check.  So you just kind of go nuts.

 

It's very Arthur Machen.  Which is brilliant and horrible.  

 

 

So here's how Solas meets with his thesis advisor.

 

*snip of awesome*

 

The rest of his committee is Elgar'nan, June, and Ghilan'nain.  Elgar'nan is the cranky old professor who hates everyone younger than him.  June appreciates Solas's ambition with the project, but thinks he lacks sparkle.  And Ghilan'nain doesn't turn up for committee meetings; no one much minds, because they always hear weird sounds from her lab.

[Moondreamer01]

I think the pantheon were steeped in excess. You have all this power. All this wealth and you just sort of revel in it. You are GOD.  You have no masters.  Noone stopping you. They had trouble keeping each other in check.  So you just kind of go nuts.

And if really what Solas says when comparing the modern world to Tranquils is true, that also means everyone would just feel much deeper. Everything, from joy to anger would be this much more intense. No wonder they'd come to blow over trim...