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[MayriyaNoori]

I'd like to trade mine in.

Awww....I was pretty happy with mine.

[Eivuwan]

Honestly...? I would laugh so hard if it was the case and players that killed him with cold blood were forced to face the consequences of their choices once the Apocalypse they could do nothing about knocks to their doors 

In fact... I think this will indeed happen (BW didn't shy away from Iron Bull betraying Inquisition, no matter if Inquisitor is in relationship with him!), even if we don't know yet how and to what extent.

 

Hmm, it's understandable for people to hate him though. The way he presents himself is pretty poor. He's vague and sounds arrogant and cold at first so it's natural to respond to that by thinking he's an ass.

[Uirebhiril]

What if Solas is "The Last Great Hope" for Thedas??? What if he's the only one capable of stopping the downward spiral that the world is in...? So many seem so quick to want to kill/destroy the only Hope (Savior?) they may have...

 

Wouldn't he have mentioned that being the case? "Whoa, sorry, if I don't do this then the whole world is done for anyway. At least I can TRY and bring SOME of it back by taking the Veil down..." But there was nothing there to indicate that he was trying to save everyone. Just that he was trying to atone for what he saw as a big mistake on his part. 

 

I'd like it if he were right, or he's not the one ultimately going to screw things up. But the back and forth between "is he good, is he bad, oh he's neither!" is awesome and I don't want that lessened by him being either a straight up villain or the snow-white pure savior. They've done a good job of showing him somewhere in between that, and that's how I'd like him to stay.

[midnight tea]

The thing is, I don't think it's black and white. 

 

We see multiple times through different people that 'Greater Good" doesn't mean the same thing to different people. Solas' greater good may not be what a lot of other people want.  Solas is falliable. That's sort of the point. He MAY be important to stopping certain other things, but that comes with a high price. The question is, what is the cost and what is he stopping?  

 

We know so little at this point save 'Your friends and most of Thedas will die through my actions' that it sounds terrible.  I'm kind of like, "Imma help but going to keep the knife close by".  

 

What makes me wonder now is whether our/protagonist's idea of "greater good" will be put to question. Because if this is all (most) about stopping Solas and his "mad plan", then I think it would be a cop out, no better than making him a mustache-twirling villain.

 

I mean, so far, only befriended/romanced Quizzies may stand in conflict whether they want to kill/redeem him, while betrayed/disliked Quizzies would feel (and be kinda right) fully justified to stop him at all costs, if it turned out that "our way is the only way!" and Solas' plan has no merit whatsoever to itself.

 

By making us question our values and idea of what's best for Thedas, I think it would make for a much better story. And IMO I think we're certainly heading in that direction, seeing what Bioware has already done.

[Eivuwan]

What makes me wonder know whether our/protagonist's idea of "greater good" will be put to question. Because if this is all (most) about stopping Solas and his "mad plan", then I think it would be a cop out, no better than making him a mustache-twirling villain.

 

I mean, so far, only befriended/romanced Quizzies may stand in conflict whether they want to kill/redeem him, while betrayed/disliked Quizzies would feel (and be kinda right) fully justified to stop him by all costs, if it turned out that "our way is the only way!" and Solas' plan has no merit whatsoever to itself.

 

By making us question our values and idea of what's best for Thedas, I think would make for a much better story. And IMO I think we're certainly heading in that direction, seeing what Bioware has already done.

 

Arghhh out of likes.

[midnight tea]

As he is right now, I don't think. He's much too morally grey as character for this. Could he become so in the right circumstances and with the right kind of push from a friendly Inquisitor? Yes, I do think so. But, he'll never be completely white and I don't want him to be. He's much more interesting with all his flaws.

 

Edit : @Kissiebear said it much more eloquently than I did!

 

Saying that he's needed for greater changes or he's indeed the world's only hope (I suppose in tandem with Quizzy) doesn't make him pristine white - merely necessary.

 

After all, sometimes salvation or surprisingly great things can come from even the most unexpected direction. Look at Cory - not really a "pristine character", yet through his actions and pride (and unexpected immortality) he's saved the world from Solas's initial plans and gave us a chance for a potentially much better future

[figment_]

Wouldn't he have mentioned that being the case? "Whoa, sorry, if I don't do this then the whole world is done for anyway. At least I can TRY and bring SOME of it back by taking the Veil down..." But there was nothing there to indicate that he was trying to save everyone. Just that he was trying to atone for what he saw as a big mistake on his part. 

 

I'd like it if he were right, or he's not the one ultimately going to screw things up. But the back and forth between "is he good, is he bad, oh he's neither!" is awesome and I don't want that lessened by him being either a straight up villain or the snow-white pure savior. They've done a good job of showing him somewhere in between that, and that's how I'd like him to stay.

Again, I think he's just being grim and fatalistic and speaking metaphorically. Taken in context of his actions and behavior throughout the game, and what is known about him and the Evanuris through other sources, I don't think it's too off base... Has everyone else left TO?!?

[k_drake]

I don't think Bioware writers would be that cruel. Plus - wouldn't sacrificing much more lives to save just one person kinda make it pointless to give us an option of redeeming him? I think Solas would be past moral event horizon if saving him was a path that led to even more destruction.

 

I mean, I expect that we may be forced to wrangle with some difficult choices, ones that may even bend our principles, but not necessarily ones that will break them.

I think you're right.  And really, the question doesn't become compelling unless the one who has to make the decision is crazy-in-love Lavellan, b/c everyone else would be like, "Um, duh." 

 

It's not so much that I forget that people play other types of characters as I've come to view f!Lavellan Inky as the "real" story, which can narrow my views somewhat. 

[BoscoBread]

Saying that he's needed for greater changes or he's indeed the world's only hope (I suppose in tandem with Quizzy) doesn't make him pristine white - merely necessary.

 

After all, sometimes salvation or surprisingly great things can come from even the most unexpected direction. Look at Cory - not really a "pristine character", yet through his actions and pride (and unexpected immortality) he's saved the world from Solas's initial plans and gave us a chance for a potentially much better future

That's the thing. And the funny thing is with Solas, Solas' need to stay and help and WANT to help may have actually cost him success.  He cares now.  Just enough to make a difference.  It also cost him time.  We also know him intimately(*waggles eyebrows*...but I mean really well) and he's sort of high on his own ego just enough that he does think you're a tiny gremlin still. Just a touch.  But enough that it matters. 

 

There clearly is a bigger bad out there. It's hinted at in that one mural(not the titans but the "something else"...so the balrog).  Again, it sucks to say but like all we can do is say "we'll see how it goes".   

[Moondreamer01]

Saying that he's needed for greater changes or he's indeed the world's only hope (I suppose in tandem with Quizzy) doesn't make him pristine white - merely necessary.

 

After all, sometimes salvation or surprisingly great things can come from even the most unexpected direction. Look at Cory - not really a "pristine character", yet through his actions and pride (and unexpected immortality) he's saved the world from Solas's initial plans and gave us a chance for a potentially much better future

*sighs* The lack of likes is annoying. But yes, I totally agree

 

Again, I think he's just being grim and fatalistic and speaking metaphorically. Taken in context of his actions and behavior throughout the game, and what is known about him and the Evanuris through other sources, I don't think it's too off base... Has everyone else left TO?!?

Oh, I haven't left TO at all. I'm just expecting a bumpy road and will enjoy the ride all the way. I do love a good redemption character-arc 

[Uirebhiril]

What makes me wonder know whether our/protagonist's idea of "greater good" will be put to question. Because if this is all (most) about stopping Solas and his "mad plan", then I think it would be a cop out, no better than making him a mustache-twirling villain.

 

I mean, so far, only befriended/romanced Quizzies may stand in conflict whether they want to kill/redeem him, while betrayed/disliked Quizzies would feel (and be kinda right) fully justified to stop him by all costs, if it turned out that "our way is the only way!" and Solas' plan has no merit whatsoever to itself.

 

By making us question our values and idea of what's best for Thedas, I think would make for a much better story. And IMO I think we're certainly heading in that direction, seeing what Bioware has already done.

 

Yes. Yes. All of this. At what point is the greater good more important? How far do you go to adjust your thinking to what is necessary? Those of us wanting to save Solas are already questioning and agonizing over where it's going to go. I want to see everyone seeking to use the murderknife feel the same and think about what it means to them. Killing Solas would be an easy answer, but would that be the right answer for the situation? It's going to take a long time to find out, but I hope they use that gray complexity to answer it.

[BoscoBread]

Yes. Yes. All of this. At what point is the greater good more important? How far do you go to adjust your thinking to what is necessary? Those of us wanting to save Solas are already questioning and agonizing over where it's going to go. I want to see everyone seeking to use the murderknife feel the same and think about what it means to them. Killing Solas would be an easy answer, but would that be the right answer for the situation? It's going to take a long time to find out, but I hope they use that gray complexity to answer it.

Yes - both you and midnight hit on it - there will be a cost to keeping him alive and probably one to killing him. At the end of the day you are making a choice  -- like he did once -- that will literally shape Thedas. And the thing is, you may not like what you see at the end of the day.

[Sable Rhapsody]

Again, I think he's just being grim and fatalistic and speaking metaphorically. Taken in context of his actions and behavior throughout the game, and what is known about him and the Evanuris through other sources, I don't think it's too off base... Has everyone else left TO?!?

 

But he's never minced words about things being bad--Corypheus's victory in the dark future, the Wardens and their demon army, etc.  Why would he suddenly get metaphorical when we're talking about the fate of the known world?

 

I've said it before, but Solas is like the Severus Snape of Dragon Age.  A deeply, deeply flawed person who is capable of truly horrific things, but still retains redeemable qualities that might save him from being a full-on villain.  I'm on Team Optimism not because I think everything will turn out sunshine and bunnies for him, but because I think that the Inquisitor's relationship with him will matter for a redemption arc.  

 

And a true redemption arc only works if you have someone who is 1) worth redeeming and 2) conflicted enough to be interesting.

[Eivuwan]

I'm thinking, the veil isn't perfect by any means. It's also hard to imagine that this artificial thing will survive through the ages without breaking down at some point. It's already been 1000 years. I'm guessing it has always been Solas' plan to have the veil as a temporary measure until he thinks of something that could stop the Evanuris in a more permanent fashion. Perhaps he didn't expect that he would be asleep for this long. Long enough for the whole world to change. Maybe if you try to mess with Solas' plans, it actually ends up causing the Evanuris to come out sooner. Then we get Solas being angry with you and you being angry that he didn't tell you enough details to prevent that from happening.

[Uirebhiril]

Again, I think he's just being grim and fatalistic and speaking metaphorically. Taken in context of his actions and behavior throughout the game, and what is known about him and the Evanuris through other sources, I don't think it's too off base... Has everyone else left TO?!?

 

I've never quite been "team optimism." I've been team "I trust the ever loving eff out of Weekes to deliver us a good story and be sensitive to those who have a lot of feels for this character." Whether that's romance or friend or just yay cool antihero.

 

I'm sure whatever comes of Solas or the romance will be good. I do want a happy ending, as much as it can be that, for Solas and Lavellan. But in the hands of a good writer that story is going to be satisfying at its end even if they are forever parted.

 

Hopefully they won't be forever parted.

[Illyria]

The codex entries on the 4-item set in Trespasser seem to be written by Ghilan'nain, if I remember correctly.

 

What.

 

I need to see these entries (I was skim reading a lot and I didn't make the connection.  I just wanted the schematic so I could sync my data)

 

Lol, I wasn't talking about him needing IRB approval in the fics, though I'd love to see a fic like that But even if you're a humanities professor, don't you need a shard of common sense in you? (I really don't know how humanities work)

 

  For his lab notebook

 

We don't.  Our degrees are all uselss.

 

Agreed. I'd hate for Solas to come down to "boss fight" or "recruit/redeem" like Loghain. There's a lot of people out there who would feel really p*ssed if they can't murderknife Solas, but I really hope the writers don't take a linear black and white direction with him at this point. If he has to die, or diminish, then I hope it's in service of the story and not of the player. I guess the two things don't have to be mutually exclusive, but it would be a tremendous waste of the character to paint him one way or the other after they built up so many layers of gray.

 

Oh, I wish all people wanted to do was murderknife him.

 

I really, really do.

 

My guess is those stories are more like fables, metaphors. For example I'm pretty sure the story of the slow arrow is a metaphor for how he defeated the false gods.

 

I don't doubt that the false gods were fickle intense beings tho.

 

Solas-senpai agrees with my theory!  I feel like I must be on the right track!

 

So I know this is a Lavellan centric thread but I felt so bad for Cole after Solas left, both times. Then when I was watching the end of Trespasser again I thought right when Solas turns around to leave would have been the perfect moment for Cole to *poof* appear in front of Solas to try to talk to him. So I made this poorly photoshopped thing because I couldn't get the image out of my head.

Spoiler

 

Oh no.  My Feels.

 

As jokey jokey we were about the glitter pantheon - Giton - seems to have been spot on about it.  They really are monsters but in a very human way. Tevinter is not far behind.  The only stopping them is that they are gimped in power.  That's the horror, if given enough freedom does man have no option but to be this?  Is this is what our world will become if we let it?   And I think once we get the WHOLE picture, it may truly be tragic.  Some of them may have been brilliant and wonderful mages.  That's the question with Solas' plan, were the evanuris just an ineveitability?  If not them, would it have been something else?  Is his plan even worth it? Shouldn't he just stop and be crushed by the bleakness of his own  existence? 

 

http://vhenantrash.t...er-pantheon-why

 

I find the Panethon to much more interesting if they were once brilliant and wonderful people who got ahold of power and just got corrupted.  A fallen hero is so much better than a straight up villian.

 

Okay, not Solas, but I thought this was cute.

 

Well, there is a Solas quote in here.

 

Anywho

 

Spoiler

 

Source

 

the signs as dragon age quotes

 

Aries: (After hearing terrible pickup lines) “Can I kill him yet? He’s hurting me.”

Taurus: “I see what must be done, and I do it! I see no point in running around in circles like a dog chasing its tail.”

Gemini: “Loyalty is an interesting concept. If you wish and if you are done interrogating me, we can discuss it further.”

Cancer: “Could we, perhaps, do battle with a pack of pretty flowers or soft bunnies next time? I’d do much better.”

Leo: (in response to ‘you’re not as handsome as you think’) “I must be, or you wouldn’t have been thinking about it all this time.”

Virgo: “My people had a saying long ago - “The healer has the bloodiest hands.“”

Libra: “Freedom was interesting while it lasted.”

Scorpio: “I have faith in my friends well enough. Faith that they will one day stab me in the back.” 

Sagittarius: “I shall endeavor to exist with less offense.”

Capricorn: “Just once, we should enter a cave and see normal-sized spiders.”

Aquarius: “Magic can kill. Knives can kill. Even small children launched at great speed could kill.”

Pisces: “Demons can’t hear you. It hurts too much. Nothing here makes sense to them.”

 

 

Yes!  I get Fenris!

[Illyria]

Again, I think he's just being grim and fatalistic and speaking metaphorically. Taken in context of his actions and behavior throughout the game, and what is known about him and the Evanuris through other sources, I don't think it's too off base... Has everyone else left TO?!?

 

Only briefly.  I burned all my TO stuff and removed all references from my sig.  But I'm back and more optimistic than ever!

[midnight tea]

Yes. Yes. All of this. At what point is the greater good more important? How far do you go to adjust your thinking to what is necessary? Those of us wanting to save Solas are already questioning and agonizing over where it's going to go. I want to see everyone seeking to use the murderknife feel the same and think about what it means to them. Killing Solas would be an easy answer, but would that be the right answer for the situation? It's going to take a long time to find out, but I hope they use that gray complexity to answer it.

 

 

Yes - both you and midnight hit on it - there will be a cost to keeping him alive and probably one to killing him. At the end of the day you are making a choice  -- like he did once -- that will literally shape Thedas. And the thing is, you may not like what you see at the end of the day.

 

Gah, my likes have a mind of their own! So have a     

 

In any event, I expect BW to deliver a story that will be more than "kill that (sad puppy) baddie!". How they'd do it and when, we're yet to find out, just like we're yet to find out whether something (uh, technical or financial reality) shall muddle their vision, but so far I remain Team Optimism for a gripping, nuanced continuation of what we've seen so far in DA.

 

(and yes BW... don't make my Lavellan suffer too much, 'kay?'. She definitely has it the worst of the lot!! ;P)

[Cee]

 

Yes!  I get Fenris!

 

So did I, and I'd like to trade.

 

 

I've never quite been "team optimism." I've been team "I trust the ever loving eff out of Weekes to deliver us a good story and be sensitive to those who have a lot of feels for this character." Whether that's romance or friend or just yay cool antihero.

 

I'm sure whatever comes of Solas or the romance will be good. I do want a happy ending, as much as it can be that, for Solas and Lavellan. But in the hands of a good writer that story is going to be satisfying at its end even if they are forever parted.

 

Hopefully they won't be forever parted.

 

I'm in the optimism corner, but I also expected bittersweet and yet what I didn't expect from Trespasser was just how hopeful I felt afterward. Well, direcly afterward, I was a jumble of feels who babbled to friends and on here for about two hours, but the sense was still hope. And you can certainly tell they care to deliver something good for those of us invested while still doing whatever their big plan calls for for the character.

[Oswin]

Okay, not Solas, but I thought this was cute.

 

Well, there is a Solas quote in here.

 

Anywho

 

Spoiler

 

Source

 

the signs as dragon age quotes

 

Aries: (After hearing terrible pickup lines) “Can I kill him yet? He’s hurting me.”

Taurus: “I see what must be done, and I do it! I see no point in running around in circles like a dog chasing its tail.”

Gemini: “Loyalty is an interesting concept. If you wish and if you are done interrogating me, we can discuss it further.”

Cancer: “Could we, perhaps, do battle with a pack of pretty flowers or soft bunnies next time? I’d do much better.”

Leo: (in response to ‘you’re not as handsome as you think’) “I must be, or you wouldn’t have been thinking about it all this time.”

Virgo: “My people had a saying long ago - “The healer has the bloodiest hands.“”

Libra: “Freedom was interesting while it lasted.”

Scorpio: “I have faith in my friends well enough. Faith that they will one day stab me in the back.” 

Sagittarius: “I shall endeavor to exist with less offense.”

Capricorn: “Just once, we should enter a cave and see normal-sized spiders.”

Aquarius: “Magic can kill. Knives can kill. Even small children launched at great speed could kill.”

Pisces: “Demons can’t hear you. It hurts too much. Nothing here makes sense to them.”

 

 

I've run out of likes again, so henceforth I will show my respect with some Key and Peele NOOOIICE GIFS.

 

 

I usually hate star sign stuff, but as mine has a Zevran quote I will gladly take it 

[Moondreamer01]

I got to say, The idea of adding a romance to Solas' character was genius and it really looks like the idea has caught on with the entire team seieng how careful they were with that last scene in Trespasser and the effort they put in all the little details of Solas' expressions.

[MayriyaNoori]

I've run out of likes again, so henceforth I will show my respect with some Key and Peele NOOOIICE GIFS.

 

 

I usually hate star sign stuff, but as mine has a Zevran quote I will gladly take it 

Yeah....I'm not an astrology person either.

 

But, you know....mix some Dragon Age in it and I'm sure there are plenty of things that will acquire the sparkle they need to catch my eye.

[roselavellan]

Doesn't really matter if his story gets wrapped up, does it? Kind of like it doesn't matter whether Alistair is canonically King, or a Warden, or dead, or a useless drunk.

Solas' story has greater repercussions on Thedosian lore though. I see him being similar to Mythal in that things he does shape Thedas. But perhaps they will be able to focus on the factual aspects of his story and leave the moral aspects up to the individual player's canon, though even that makes me uncomfortable. I guess I really hate thinking of Solas as evil, in any canon.

[figment_]

Saying that he's needed for greater changes or he's indeed the world's only hope (I suppose in tandem with Quizzy) doesn't make him pristine white - merely necessary.

 

After all, sometimes salvation or surprisingly great things can come from even the most unexpected direction. Look at Cory - not really a "pristine character", yet through his actions and pride (and unexpected immortality) he's saved the world from Solas's initial plans and gave us a chance for a potentially much better future

As far as Corypheus is concerned, it seems he had evil intentions/motivations, and actions throughout, he's an evil blighted magister, for gods' sake!!! 

 

Maybe if he didn't create the breach and all that, Solas's plans may have gone more smoothly, and allowed for less possible bloodshed and collateral damage/fallout as a result...BUT, that would be a different game entirely, wouldn't it?

[BoscoBread]

Solas' story has greater repercussions on Thedosian lore though. I see him being similar to Mythal in that things he does shape Thedas. But perhaps they will be able to focus on the factual aspects of his story and leave the moral aspects up to the individual player's canon, though even that makes me uncomfortable. I guess I really hate thinking of Solas as evil, in any canon.

The thing is, he will never be evil. His actions are evil. They just are. They are bad.  The big question is: Are we more than our actions? 

 

Is Blackwall more than his selfish murder? Is Samson?  

These are all important questions and ones that are totally left up to the player.  

 

I do think Solas' story will be resolved. He is too major to leave hanging out there. It may not be completely, but I think this is coming to some sort of end.